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2014-04-20 10:15:24 PM  
10 votes:
The episode was a wonderful ode to pure science.  The actual age of the earth is an interesting question, but not something that affects our daily lives.

It showed how pure science led to a very applied science and a public health initiative that has vastly improved our lives.
2014-04-20 09:48:09 PM  
7 votes:

mark12A: WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"


This is all about science and how scientific discoveries can have a huge impact on humanity, even when they're not even trying.  Patterson was just trying to cleanse his lab and figure out the age of the earth and he ended up discovering that we were poisoning our planet.
2014-04-20 11:04:46 PM  
6 votes:
This episode was a not-particularly-thinly-veiled assault on science deniers. Whether it's Creationists/anti-evolutionists, climate-change deniers, anti-vaxxers, anti-governmental-regulation libertarians, and so forth, it demonstrates that science trumps business interests (or should) when it comes to the survival of our species.

Magnificent, Dr. Tyson. Magnificent.
2014-04-20 09:39:36 PM  
6 votes:
This. This right here is why we can't trust companies to self-regulate.
2014-04-20 09:35:42 PM  
4 votes:

Destructor: WhyteRaven74: Destructor: How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?

Well we know stars of similar masses age at the same rate as far back as we can see. So at least that far, which is past the age of the earth it's been the same, since if it varied that would effect fusion in stars.

That's a process dominated by the nuclear strong force. But when it comes to forces that aren't easily observed from Earth (gravity, Weak, electromagnetic), things aren't so certain.

Once upon a time, physicists toyed with the the idea the speed of light wasn't always what it is now. That's been disproven pretty thoroughly. I'm just curious about the other known forces.


Stellar fusion is dominated by the strong force, yes, but the weak force is still important, as witnessed by the massive amounts of neutrinos (produced only weakly) that stars emit.  Several important stellar processes couldn't proceed except via the weak force, so its strength is still measurable is astrophysical observations.
2014-04-20 09:29:12 PM  
4 votes:

IronTom: Is lead that pervasive?  That is rather scary.


It is. But keep in mind that throughout the 20th century tetraethyllead was a fuel additive, and it so contaminated everything that there is actually a correlation between leaded gasoline and violent crime.
2014-04-21 12:43:05 PM  
3 votes:

vonster: the show makes just as much a point of mocking religion as it does teaching us science.


How sad it must be to live trapped in a mindset which interprets stating facts as mocking you.
2014-04-21 02:45:42 AM  
3 votes:

Dimensio: NFA: IronTom: NFA: If the universe is 156 billion light years wide


is that a fact?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/05/24/universe.wide/

CNN reporting the width of the universe to be 156 light years makes me more inclined to believe that the universe is a spheroid region, seven-hundred and five miles in diameter.


I think you mean meters Dr. Crusher.
2014-04-20 10:12:39 PM  
3 votes:

mark12A: Actually, lead was removed from gas so that catalytic convertors could be used to reduce car exhaust pollution. Lead poisons the convertors.


The initial move by the EPA to remove lead from gasoline happened in 1972, though delayed until 1976. Catalytic converters were not mandated on US cars until 1975. Catalytic converters were not the cause of the phase-out, but they certainly helped it along.
2014-04-20 09:55:24 PM  
3 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: I would like to see a study of 1970 vs 2014. Be interesting to see how much lead is actually still around.


This is Lake Michigan samples from 1994-6

www.epa.gov
2014-04-20 09:55:00 PM  
3 votes:
And the oil companies are STILL farking us.
2014-04-20 09:44:14 PM  
3 votes:

mark12A: WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"


Yeah, god forbid he give any background information.
2014-04-20 09:44:13 PM  
3 votes:
Thomas Midgley, Jr. was the single most environmentally destructive organism in world history. Not only did he discover the effectiveness of and market tetraethyllead as an anti-knock additive, he also co-invented chlorofluorocarbons. If you could go back in time and kill any one person with an eye on saving the world, he would be the one to kill. Hitler was a piker.
2014-04-20 09:36:19 PM  
3 votes:
Christmas as a repurposed Roman Holiday? He just went there.
2014-04-20 09:26:46 PM  
3 votes:
It makes sense for the show to directly refute young earth creationism, considering what is happening today, with religion creeping into public schools and science being treated by so many as some "liberal conspiracy".

When the original series came out in the 70's, science was still highly regarded in the US.  I would put the peak of "science loving" in the USA somewhere around 1975-80.  We have gone far back arsewards since then.  It's weird and scary that human development can go backwards.  It's time for serious offensive action on behalf of science and observable reality.  Like this show. Yes, they should directly refute the biblical literalists.
2014-04-21 04:27:53 AM  
2 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Faith covers what science does not.


No it does not. At best, faith only  conceals the gaps in our knowledge. It does nothing to fill those gaps. Science lets us control the reality around us. Faith lets us control people.

They are not mutually exclusive and never have been except in the minds of crazies.

Science and religion are polar opposites.

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2014-04-20 10:07:31 PM  
2 votes:
That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.

Actually, lead was removed from gas so that catalytic convertors could be used to reduce car exhaust pollution. Lead poisons the convertors.

You can still get leaded gasoline (100LL -100 octane low lead) for light aircraft. So some lead is still getting out there. But they're close to producing a substitute.
2014-04-20 10:07:21 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.


Check out A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. It's chock full of stuff like that (including that story)
2014-04-20 10:05:53 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.


The interesting thing is that it never had to be in gasoline in the first place. They knew that ethanol did the job quite well, and there were other more innocuous substances that would have worked. The problem was that they couldn't patent those, whereas they could (and did) patent TEL. Ethyl Corporation was created by Midgley, Kettering, et al, to cash in.
2014-04-20 10:01:27 PM  
2 votes:
Well that was a good episode in my opinion. Good for inspiring future scientists/enviromentalist. Now for Game of Thrones to inspire me to become the God of Tits and Wine.

As they say in Canada: Peace oot.
2014-04-20 09:59:45 PM  
2 votes:
Brilliant episode.
2014-04-20 09:49:42 PM  
2 votes:
Ah, and now a swipe at the denialism industry.
2014-04-20 09:35:41 PM  
2 votes:

IronTom: mark12A: Uh-oh. He's in trouble with some of the most powerful people on the planet! Back after these messages...

/best commercial break point in the series!
//Big Geology? Encyclopedia Mafia?

Raelians, Lizard People, aliens?


Exxon Mobil.
2014-04-20 09:27:38 PM  
2 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Destructor: How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?

Well we know stars of similar masses age at the same rate as far back as we can see. So at least that far, which is past the age of the earth it's been the same, since if it varied that would effect fusion in stars.


That's a process dominated by the nuclear strong force. But when it comes to forces that aren't easily observed from Earth (gravity, Weak, electromagnetic), things aren't so certain.

Once upon a time, physicists toyed with the the idea the speed of light wasn't always what it is now. That's been disproven pretty thoroughly. I'm just curious about the other known forces.
2014-04-20 08:53:35 PM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: Fundies are going to get extra pissed because it's Easter.


But that is cancelled out by it also being the 4/20.

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2014-04-21 06:44:45 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: There are a lot of words here, but in the end we are still faced with the fact that nobody, NOBODY, knows what kicked it all off. Until someone does know and can demonstrate it scientifically, God is as good an explanation as any.


God is not a good explanation because appealing to a mystery by appealing to a bigger mystery doesn't get us anywhere. It has no explanatory power.

Besides, it can be easily explained without invoking God. Ask me how.
2014-04-21 06:00:31 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: ...All you have to do is prove it. The remainder is left to me to fill as I see fit, and when proof is forthcoming to adapt my views accordingly.


The entire essence of being reasonable and humble.  What more can anyone ask?
2014-04-21 05:36:14 PM  
1 votes:

gshepnyc: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Kumana Wanalaia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.

It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.

He won't be able to do that, simply because he's spent a lot of time saying that we have no idea how the universe was created. Faith covers what science does not. They are not mutually exclusive and never have been except in the minds of crazies.

No, faith does NOT "cover what science does not." You can tell yourself that, but it's not the case. Just accept that there are areas that are not covered at all. Reality is under no obligation to provide you an answer to everything you may want to know. Science does a really good job of working hard to find those answers but those areas where it can't (or can't yet) do not default to magic and magic is not a place holder.  Saying "we don't know" is too often taken as a thrilling invitation for religious people to say "aha! There's god!" Not because of any evidence but specifically because of the absence of any evidence. Now, who are the "crazies" in that scenario?

I know there is a certain kind of person who likes to assure himself that both sides are wrong, at least what you imagine to be the extremes of both sides; both sides are crazy; that the truth is a nice balance right in the middle. But if you want to be honest you need to recognize that that is bromidic and probably nothing more. While science is sometimes wrong, there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that faith is not entirely, completely, unequivocally wrong.

The "crazies" you speak of, I assume, are the unyielding people at either extreme. But the ones on the science end are people who firmly insist that beliefs be backed up by facts and the ones on the other end are those that insist that no facts can sway them in their beliefs? Are t ...


There are a lot of words here, but in the end we are still faced with the fact that nobody, NOBODY, knows what kicked it all off. Until someone does know and can demonstrate it scientifically, God is as good an explanation as any.

The key difference between me, a rational science-derived thinker who is also a Catholic, and a "loony" fundamentalist is that I reject nothing out of hand. All you have to do is prove it. The remainder is left to me to fill as I see fit, and when proof is forthcoming to adapt my views accordingly.
2014-04-21 02:19:29 PM  
1 votes:

stonicus: Ahhh, the fallacy that is Pascal's Wager... anytime I hear that, I always respond with, "Ok... but which god do I pick?"


i prefer the epicurean paradox:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
2014-04-21 10:40:54 AM  
1 votes:

rwhamann: bborchar: I have several friends whom I consider very intelligent who are also believers, as well.  I asked one friend of mine about what she thought about the universe, and her answer was "I just don't care how it all got there."  Basically, she would rather not think about it than think about it and question it.

It's her right to do so, of course...but it's not how I would prefer to live my life.

That's so frustrating.  I'm a believer who has chosen to never let dogma overcome evidence.  When I look at the Big Bang, and evolution and the path it took to get us here, it doesn't change my belief that a Creator is behind it all.  It actually magnifies my awe, because a Creator that can plan every last variable down to the precision needed for this to all work is way more impressive than - " Eh, ok, so everything, I command you to exist."

Doesn't make me very popular among fundies or Anti-Christians, but oh well.  It's my belief and it works for me, and doesn't keep anyone from learning science.


I feel a bit sorry for those people who shut themselves off to the possibilities of what exists beyond our own world out of fear of losing their belief, because it's absolutely amazing to me.  I've always believed that faith should be there to serve someone in their life, and not the other way around.  Not everyone needs or wants it, but some do, and there's no problem with that.  It's when people say "Well, my religion forbids this" and they never once question why that baffles me.  I grew up in the Bible belt, and even though my parents weren't devoted Christians, my grandparents were.  I heard more than once "Well, it's better to believe that there is a God, because if you are wrong, you will burn in hell for eternity."  It took a long time to get past that fear, and it's something I will never put to my children.  If they choose to be religious as adults, that is their right...but they can never accuse me of scaring them into it as I was.

It's cool that you are open to new things, though.  I wish I knew more people like you.
2014-04-21 08:52:42 AM  
1 votes:

Destructor: bborchar: Yeah, it's impossible to have a real debate with anyone who will simply answer "Well, I don't believe that".

It limits your options. However, you still can discuss. It's important to remind the Believers that at the center of their religion is nothing more than completely unsupported blind faith. They see it as a test or strength. I (we) see it as a denial of reason ("God given" or other).

bborchar: When someone is willfully ignorant, no amount of facts will change their mind until they open themselves up to skepticism.

You just have to agree on terms before you negotiate. :-)

I'm always surprised by how many smart people there are who are very religious. (To be sure, there are a lot of dumb ones too.) Maybe they know something I don't (I'm an atheist). I doubt it. But you never know.


I have several friends whom I consider very intelligent who are also believers, as well.  I asked one friend of mine about what she thought about the universe, and her answer was "I just don't care how it all got there."  Basically, she would rather not think about it than think about it and question it.

It's her right to do so, of course...but it's not how I would prefer to live my life.
2014-04-21 07:58:56 AM  
1 votes:

Destructor: Vlad_the_Inaner: But are you sure?

No. No one can be.

Vlad_the_Inaner: If the speed of light was infinite before the Flood, light from stars further than 6000 light years (as defined by the current speed of light) could have reached Earth, (wrecking one 'proof' that the Earth is more than 6000 years old) , and refraction would have been undetectable. because a fraction of infinity is still infinity. Hence no rainbow until God made the speed of light finite, just to make a rainbow after the Flood.

True. Of course, God could just blink like Genie and pretty much do whatever he wanted to do. So, this line of "reasoning" is pointless.

Vlad_the_Inaner: /really surprised a Y.E. Creationist hasn't come up with that yet.

The smarter ones have. But they're also smart enough to know it's pointless to follow that line of thought. It all boils down to simple (stupid) belief.


Yeah, it's impossible to have a real debate with anyone who will simply answer "Well, I don't believe that".  When someone is willfully ignorant, no amount of facts will change their mind until they open themselves up to skepticism.
2014-04-21 01:51:40 AM  
1 votes:

NFA: IronTom: NFA: If the universe is 156 billion light years wide


is that a fact?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/05/24/universe.wide/


CNN reporting the width of the universe to be 156 light years makes me more inclined to believe that the universe is a spheroid region, seven-hundred and five miles in diameter.
2014-04-21 01:28:34 AM  
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: [www.mychandlerschools.org image 300x300]


Wasn't that how geologists found the true age of the Earth anyway, by reading rocks?
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2014-04-21 12:47:08 AM  
1 votes:

IronTom: NFA: If the universe is 156 billion light years wide


is that a fact?


http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/05/24/universe.wide/
2014-04-21 12:22:16 AM  
1 votes:
Observable.
2014-04-20 10:20:00 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: GRCooper: cameroncrazy1984: That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.

Check out A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. It's chock full of stuff like that (including that story)

I will have to do that! Thanks!


Another good one--and I love Bill Bryson--is "The Science of Discworld" Which sounds like a fantasy novel; but it's interspersed with one chapter of "disc-world" and another chapter of hard science; as a compare/contrast (Discworld vs Roundworld). In fact it's even more detailed in it's hard science than Bill Bryson's excellent book; and more detailed than Cosmos in the hard science.
2014-04-20 10:18:41 PM  
1 votes:
The episode was a wonderful ode to pure science.  The actual age of the earth is an interesting question, but not something that affects our daily lives.

It showed how pure science led to a very applied science and a public health initiative that has vastly improved our lives.


100% agree. Very relatable.


+1
2014-04-20 10:18:01 PM  
1 votes:
Excellent episode!
2014-04-20 10:17:11 PM  
1 votes:

ArgusRun: The episode was a wonderful ode to pure science.  The actual age of the earth is an interesting question, but not something that affects our daily lives.

It showed how pure science led to a very applied science and a public health initiative that has vastly improved our lives.


100% agree. Very relatable.
2014-04-20 10:11:33 PM  
1 votes:
Lead was also good for lubricating/protecting the exhaust valves on car engines. Actually forms a barrier that keeps hot edges of the valves from melting into the valve seat. Post 1975 cars made it unnecessary by using hardened valve seats.
2014-04-20 10:08:29 PM  
1 votes:

12349876: cameroncrazy1984: I would like to see a study of 1970 vs 2014. Be interesting to see how much lead is actually still around.

This is Lake Michigan samples from 1994-6

[www.epa.gov image 244x202]


You might have to wonder if that spike that starts around the late 90's and 2000's could come from China?
2014-04-20 10:02:37 PM  
1 votes:
Biggest change from old to new Cosmos?

More commercials.  Less Space.
2014-04-20 10:00:24 PM  
1 votes:

ArgusRun: EPA?  The whole series seems intelligently designed to pissed off Republicans.


www.sundriesshack.com
2014-04-20 10:00:19 PM  
1 votes:
Dr. Tyson is now attempting to impugn the credibility of benevolent job creators who, at great personal expense, hire scienticians whose only job is to assure the public that their work is not harmful to the environment.
2014-04-20 10:00:09 PM  
1 votes:
That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.
2014-04-20 09:57:49 PM  
1 votes:
EPA?  The whole series seems intelligently designed to pissed off Republicans.
2014-04-20 09:55:42 PM  
1 votes:

Vlad_the_Inaner: But are you sure?


No. No one can be.

Vlad_the_Inaner: If the speed of light was infinite before the Flood, light from stars further than 6000 light years (as defined by the current speed of light) could have reached Earth, (wrecking one 'proof' that the Earth is more than 6000 years old) , and refraction would have been undetectable. because a fraction of infinity is still infinity. Hence no rainbow until God made the speed of light finite, just to make a rainbow after the Flood.


True. Of course, God could just blink like Genie and pretty much do whatever he wanted to do. So, this line of "reasoning" is pointless.

Vlad_the_Inaner: /really surprised a Y.E. Creationist hasn't come up with that yet.


The smarter ones have. But they're also smart enough to know it's pointless to follow that line of thought. It all boils down to simple (stupid) belief.
2014-04-20 09:54:45 PM  
1 votes:

Forbidden Doughnut: I was in jr.HS in 1980, and I swear I remember both Biology (evolution) and Geology ( a very old Earth) being taught, and nobody derped out about it. When did all of this change?


The level of derp depends very much on where in the country you lived, and whether it was rural or urban; presumably also back then, since most of the court (particularly SCOTUS) cases associated to creationism and its variants come from the South.
2014-04-20 09:52:21 PM  
1 votes:
I would like to see a study of 1970 vs 2014. Be interesting to see how much lead is actually still around.
2014-04-20 09:52:00 PM  
1 votes:

ArgusRun: IronTom: mark12A: Uh-oh. He's in trouble with some of the most powerful people on the planet! Back after these messages...

/best commercial break point in the series!
//Big Geology? Encyclopedia Mafia?

Raelians, Lizard People, aliens?

Exxon Mobil.


Sweet Jesus. I was right.
2014-04-20 09:51:21 PM  
1 votes:

rbuzby: It makes sense for the show to directly refute young earth creationism, considering what is happening today, with religion creeping into public schools and science being treated by so many as some "liberal conspiracy".

When the original series came out in the 70's, science was still highly regarded in the US.  I would put the peak of "science loving" in the USA somewhere around 1975-80.  We have gone far back arsewards since then.  It's weird and scary that human development can go backwards.  It's time for serious offensive action on behalf of science and observable reality.  Like this show. Yes, they should directly refute the biblical literalists.


I was in jr.HS in 1980, and I swear I remember both Biology (evolution) and Geology ( a very old Earth) being taught, and nobody derped out about it. When did all of this change?

/ I have a sinking feeling that my old school has probably changed for the worse in recent decades...
2014-04-20 09:48:46 PM  
1 votes:

rugman11: mark12A: WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"

This is all about science and how scientific discoveries can have a huge impact on humanity, even when they're not even trying.  Patterson was just trying to cleanse his lab and figure out the age of the earth and he ended up discovering that we were poisoning our planet.


Some science nerds can't stand some history.
2014-04-20 09:46:37 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Thomas Midgley, Jr. was the single most environmentally destructive organism in world history. Not only did he discover the effectiveness of and market tetraethyllead as an anti-knock additive, he also co-invented chlorofluorocarbons. If you could go back in time and kill any one person with an eye on saving the world, he would be the one to kill. Hitler was a piker.


So, a real life Captain Planet villain?
2014-04-20 09:45:08 PM  
1 votes:

mark12A: WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"


Pretty sure he's gonna pull it all together.
2014-04-20 09:40:58 PM  
1 votes:
he's tripping balls!
2014-04-20 09:36:42 PM  
1 votes:
And Neil deGrasse Tyson joins the War on Christmas.
2014-04-20 09:35:56 PM  
1 votes:
TO SATURNALIA!

DRINK
2014-04-20 09:32:32 PM  
1 votes:
Hey. I know people doing mass spec at Argone!
2014-04-20 09:26:04 PM  
1 votes:
Duck soup my ass.
2014-04-20 09:22:40 PM  
1 votes:

Destructor: Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?


That is a good question.  The best answer I can give is that the weak force is crucial to the nuclear fusion cycles that power stars, and this process seems to work the same way no matter how far out we look in the universe.  If the weak force changed significantly, we'd see it looking back at older stars.
2014-04-20 09:22:36 PM  
1 votes:

Kumana Wanalaia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.

It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.


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We'll just see about that...Nope, it's airtight. Can't let this little doozy get out...
2014-04-20 09:22:22 PM  
1 votes:

Destructor: How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?


Well we know stars of similar masses age at the same rate as far back as we can see. So at least that far, which is past the age of the earth it's been the same, since if it varied that would effect fusion in stars.
2014-04-20 09:21:28 PM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: Destructor: Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?

1) Absolutely no defined mechanism by which the characteristics of the nuclear weak force could change.

2) No evidence suggesting events that would have occurred as a consequence of a difference in the nuclear weak force.


This is why I come here. Science!
2014-04-20 09:20:15 PM  
1 votes:

Destructor: Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?


1) Absolutely no defined mechanism by which the characteristics of the nuclear weak force could change.

2) No evidence suggesting events that would have occurred as a consequence of a difference in the nuclear weak force.
2014-04-20 09:20:01 PM  
1 votes:

Kumana Wanalaia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.

It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.


He won't be able to do that, simply because he's spent a lot of time saying that we have no idea how the universe was created. Faith covers what science does not. They are not mutually exclusive and never have been except in the minds of crazies.
2014-04-20 09:19:33 PM  
1 votes:
I vote for drinks for each Framily commercial.
2014-04-20 09:19:28 PM  
1 votes:

ManateeGag: Fundies are going to get extra pissed because it's Easter.


Boo hoo

they get upset just about everything
2014-04-20 09:16:28 PM  
1 votes:
Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?
2014-04-20 09:14:23 PM  
1 votes:
Y'all really want to get hammered? Drink one during every commercial break.
2014-04-20 09:08:38 PM  
1 votes:
"Instead of counting up all the 'begats'" - BURN to the YECs.
2014-04-20 09:08:31 PM  
1 votes:
"Instead of counting 'begats'..."

Burn.
2014-04-20 08:43:50 PM  
1 votes:
I will be drinking to GoT...  I am hoping to hear 'did not, in the end, shiat gold' tonight......
 
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