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2014-04-20 07:04:07 PM  
Welcome to the "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" discussion thread and drinking game!

"The Clean Room"
Season 1, Episode 7
The tempestuous youth of the Earth effectively erased all traces of its beginnings. So how did we ever learn its true age? World-renowned astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson reveals the answer.

Tonight's rules:

Neil says:

Billion(s) - big sip
Billions and billions - finish your drink
Earth - sip
Cosmos - sip
Asteroid - sip
 
2014-04-20 07:05:28 PM  
Man, am I so ready for this. It was insanely nice out today so I got a sixer of High LIfe bottles for the drinking game tonight.
 
2014-04-20 07:18:36 PM  

crypticsatellite: Earth - sip  Cosmos - sip


Jebus! Hell, some of us have to work on Tuesday.
 
2014-04-20 07:21:31 PM  
Fundies are going to get extra pissed because it's Easter.
 
2014-04-20 07:43:32 PM  
I put a pillow by the dumpster behind McDonald's since I usually wake up there when playing drinking games
 
2014-04-20 07:46:20 PM  
I hate that we're missing this show on the first run, but we'll catch up with it after GoT.

/damn you, Fox schedulers!
 
2014-04-20 07:55:01 PM  

Wanebo: crypticsatellite: Earth - sip  Cosmos - sip

Jebus! Hell, some of us have to work on Tuesday.


Well, then consider them suggestions rather than rules.
 
2014-04-20 08:07:12 PM  
Can't watch until tomorrow, but dropping through to say Hi!  How's every one doing?
 
2014-04-20 08:17:38 PM  
Thanks for reminding me that this is Sunday!
 
2014-04-20 08:20:03 PM  
I just hope my son doesn't call halfway through the show wanting me to come pick him up from work. He's scheduled till 9:00 central, but sometimes they let him off early.
 
2014-04-20 08:24:26 PM  
How much do we drink when the usual crowd comes in and tells us how much this sucks compared to Carl Sagan's version? I only have 2 bottles of Mountain Dew and even though I don't get lit I still like to play along.
 
2014-04-20 08:31:29 PM  
Bring on the goosepimples.
 
2014-04-20 08:32:09 PM  

albert71292: I just hope my son doesn't call halfway through the show wanting me to come pick him up from work. He's scheduled till 9:00 central, but sometimes they let him off early.


The show repeats tomorrow night in most areas.
 
2014-04-20 08:38:37 PM  
I'm high as a kite and have a six-pack of Two Hearted Ale. Let's do this.
 
2014-04-20 08:38:38 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: How much do we drink when the usual crowd comes in and tells us how much this sucks compared to Carl Sagan's version? I only have 2 bottles of Mountain Dew and even though I don't get lit I still like to play along.


That might not be enough.
 
2014-04-20 08:39:59 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: How much do we drink when the usual crowd comes in and tells us how much this sucks compared to Carl Sagan's version?


I thought it was just me.

/ drink!
 
2014-04-20 08:40:51 PM  
I made the mistake of not DVRing this last week.  I watched it on Comcast "On Demand".  I swear the commercial breaks were about 5 minutes apart, and lasted at least 4 minutes each. Seriously.  You can't fast forward through them.  It was worse than watching it on regular tv.
 
2014-04-20 08:40:54 PM  
I think so far he's only said "Billions and billions" once, directly invoking the erroneous quote in jest.
 
2014-04-20 08:43:14 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: How much do we drink when the usual crowd comes in and tells us how much this sucks compared to Carl Sagan's version? I only have 2 bottles of Mountain Dew and even though I don't get lit I still like to play along.


MOUNTAIN DEW IS THE BEST SODA EVER MADE!
 
2014-04-20 08:43:50 PM  
I will be drinking to GoT...  I am hoping to hear 'did not, in the end, shiat gold' tonight......
 
2014-04-20 08:44:02 PM  
Can we drink cocktails other than Cosmos?

/they can be expensive
 
2014-04-20 08:44:05 PM  
media.giphy.com
media0.giphy.com
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25.media.tumblr.com
media.giphy.com
 
2014-04-20 08:44:08 PM  

ManateeGag: Fundies are going to get extra pissed because it's Easter.


Did any of them secdee yet?
 
2014-04-20 08:44:42 PM  

optikeye: albert71292: I just hope my son doesn't call halfway through the show wanting me to come pick him up from work. He's scheduled till 9:00 central, but sometimes they let him off early.

The show repeats tomorrow night in most areas.


On NatGeo I think. Bit of a problem since I don't have cable... or a DVR.
 
2014-04-20 08:50:51 PM  
May not be available for viewing in Kansas.
 
2014-04-20 08:51:01 PM  
Needs more Billions and Billions...
 
2014-04-20 08:52:37 PM  

rbuzby: I made the mistake of not DVRing this last week.  I watched it on Comcast "On Demand".  I swear the commercial breaks were about 5 minutes apart, and lasted at least 4 minutes each. Seriously.  You can't fast forward through them.  It was worse than watching it on regular tv.


yeah I'm using Hulu Plus. I'm in a temporary apartment with only basic, non-HD cable and honestly, the show looks like arse this way. That could be my reception. On Monday it's on Hulu in glorious HD.
 
2014-04-20 08:53:35 PM  

ManateeGag: Fundies are going to get extra pissed because it's Easter.


But that is cancelled out by it also being the 4/20.

www.thesmokersclub.com
 
2014-04-20 08:53:43 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr0EtiOOztU

This is how science should be presented
 
2014-04-20 08:54:36 PM  

LazerFish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr0EtiOOztU

This is how science should be presented


My favorite one was Smells Like Air Pressure.
 
2014-04-20 08:56:08 PM  
Thanks for the reminder, subby!

/would have forgotten
//Carl Sagan and 4/20? ohhh yeeaahhh
 
2014-04-20 08:56:39 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: LazerFish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr0EtiOOztU

This is how science should be presented

My favorite one was Smells Like Air Pressure.


This:

http://youtu.be/Jn3sGUGJ4bc
 
2014-04-20 08:58:01 PM  
GoT
 
2014-04-20 09:00:47 PM  
And awayyyy we go!
 
2014-04-20 09:02:20 PM  
"Once there was a man..."

from Nantucket?
 
2014-04-20 09:02:47 PM  
I guess this episode is about AIDS.
 
2014-04-20 09:02:58 PM  
Can't wait to learn about the U.N.I.V.E.R.S.E!!!
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-20 09:03:18 PM  
Pat Paterson?   How about Gerry Brisco?
 
2014-04-20 09:04:17 PM  
High Life makes me burp.
 
2014-04-20 09:05:05 PM  
Pat, Son of Pat.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-20 09:05:35 PM  
ahh, finally got the slingbox to show the show!
 
2014-04-20 09:07:09 PM  
www.mychandlerschools.org
 
2014-04-20 09:07:15 PM  
Holy shiat, Neil is telekinetic?!?!
 
2014-04-20 09:07:16 PM  
I really need to get out to the Grand Canyon. My parents camped near there a couple years ago.

OH GOD THE EARTH IS RISING
 
2014-04-20 09:08:03 PM  
Who is this wizard who can tear apart the Grand Canyon? He has powers. Scary powers. BURN HIM.
 
2014-04-20 09:08:20 PM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Holy shiat, Neil is telekinetic?!?!


More likely, Dr. DeGrasse is gifted with Earth Manipulation.
 
2014-04-20 09:08:21 PM  
It''s like a literal slap fight with young earth creationists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon:_A_Different_View
 
2014-04-20 09:08:31 PM  
"Instead of counting 'begats'..."

Burn.
 
2014-04-20 09:08:38 PM  
"Instead of counting up all the 'begats'" - BURN to the YECs.
 
2014-04-20 09:09:12 PM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Holy shiat, Neil is telekinetic?!?!


Nope, more like Graviton.
 
2014-04-20 09:09:13 PM  
Usher and the Grand Canyon? They're really tweaking at the creationists again. And even a reference to Flooding.
 
2014-04-20 09:09:25 PM  
Okay, he restored it to its former glory. Spare him. For now.
 
2014-04-20 09:09:29 PM  
That is an awesome, awesome camera move.
 
2014-04-20 09:09:49 PM  
You think Neil rode a mule to get to that location?
 
2014-04-20 09:10:45 PM  
Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.
 
2014-04-20 09:11:10 PM  
I like how he used the Force to lift up the layers of Grand Canyon.
 
2014-04-20 09:11:33 PM  
This game sucks, he said billions a couple times a I'm naked.
 
2014-04-20 09:11:36 PM  

farkingismybusiness: You think Neil rode a mule to get to that location?


The man is clearly a wizard. I suspect teleportation.
 
2014-04-20 09:12:59 PM  
So awesome, that is one of the best graphics yet in the new Cosmos.
 
2014-04-20 09:13:38 PM  
He said million, can I drink?
 
2014-04-20 09:13:54 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: I'm high as a kite and have a six-pack of Two Hearted Ale. Let's do this.


Had my first one of the year today from the source. That, too. KZoo!
 
2014-04-20 09:14:04 PM  

Destructor: farkingismybusiness: You think Neil rode a mule to get to that location?

The man is clearly a wizard. I suspect teleportation.


There are some who call him......Tim?
 
2014-04-20 09:14:23 PM  
Y'all really want to get hammered? Drink one during every commercial break.
 
2014-04-20 09:14:33 PM  

radiovox: I like how he used the Force to lift up the layers of Grand Canyon.


I bet he teaches us all about the universe but leaves out midichlordians just so he can keep the secrets of the force to himself.
 
2014-04-20 09:14:43 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.


Because it's fun. And you're right, easy.

Really weird to hear Neil narrating and him just sitting in the ship.
 
2014-04-20 09:15:49 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Y'all really want to get hammered? Drink one during every commercial break.


I only have four beers left.
 
2014-04-20 09:15:51 PM  
Any rock?

www.addictinginfo.org
 
2014-04-20 09:16:12 PM  
I can't wait to learn about unobtanium.
 
2014-04-20 09:16:28 PM  
Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?
 
2014-04-20 09:17:07 PM  
That's not what the asteroid belt looks like!

You can't see one from another (usually)
 
2014-04-20 09:17:39 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.


It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.
 
2014-04-20 09:17:51 PM  

IronTom: He said million, can I drink?


You may!
 
2014-04-20 09:18:02 PM  
He's saying Earth every 5 seconds. I'm gonna be hammered.
 
2014-04-20 09:18:19 PM  
Arizona!!!

i256.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-20 09:18:24 PM  
So much more? OCD? Germophobia?
 
2014-04-20 09:18:49 PM  
Pick a rock. Any rock.
 
2014-04-20 09:19:28 PM  

ManateeGag: Fundies are going to get extra pissed because it's Easter.


Boo hoo

they get upset just about everything
 
2014-04-20 09:19:33 PM  
I vote for drinks for each Framily commercial.
 
2014-04-20 09:19:51 PM  

radiovox: Pick a rock. Any rock.


sounds like a horrible magic trick.
 
2014-04-20 09:20:01 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.

It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.


He won't be able to do that, simply because he's spent a lot of time saying that we have no idea how the universe was created. Faith covers what science does not. They are not mutually exclusive and never have been except in the minds of crazies.
 
2014-04-20 09:20:05 PM  

crypticsatellite: IronTom: He said million, can I drink?

You may!


He snuck in a 'billion' too, so it's getting pretty wet around here.
 
2014-04-20 09:20:15 PM  

Destructor: Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?


1) Absolutely no defined mechanism by which the characteristics of the nuclear weak force could change.

2) No evidence suggesting events that would have occurred as a consequence of a difference in the nuclear weak force.
 
2014-04-20 09:20:33 PM  

12349876: I vote for drinks for each Framily commercial.


www.operatorchan.org
 
2014-04-20 09:20:38 PM  

Jadedgrl: He's saying Earth every 5 seconds. I'm gonna be hammered.


newbie :p
 
2014-04-20 09:20:59 PM  

farkingismybusiness: radiovox: I like how he used the Force to lift up the layers of Grand Canyon.

I bet he teaches us all about the universe but leaves out midichlordians just so he can keep the secrets of the force to himself.


Can we teach Jedi creationism in schools? That would be cool.
 
2014-04-20 09:21:26 PM  

IronTom: crypticsatellite: IronTom: He said million, can I drink?

You may!

He snuck in a 'billion' too, so it's getting pretty wet around here.


But back to the science-drinking game.....
 
2014-04-20 09:21:28 PM  

Dimensio: Destructor: Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?

1) Absolutely no defined mechanism by which the characteristics of the nuclear weak force could change.

2) No evidence suggesting events that would have occurred as a consequence of a difference in the nuclear weak force.


This is why I come here. Science!
 
2014-04-20 09:21:32 PM  
Shut.
Down.
Everything
 
2014-04-20 09:22:02 PM  
How many commercials can they squeeze into one break? Geez
 
2014-04-20 09:22:10 PM  
Drink any time Neil tells us to pick something...any something.
 
2014-04-20 09:22:22 PM  

Destructor: How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?


Well we know stars of similar masses age at the same rate as far back as we can see. So at least that far, which is past the age of the earth it's been the same, since if it varied that would effect fusion in stars.
 
2014-04-20 09:22:28 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Kumana Wanalaia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.

It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.

He won't be able to do that, simply because he's spent a lot of time saying that we have no idea how the universe was created. Faith covers what science does not. They are not mutually exclusive and never have been except in the minds of crazies.


Well said.
 
2014-04-20 09:22:36 PM  

Dimensio: Destructor: Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?

1) Absolutely no defined mechanism by which the characteristics of the nuclear weak force could change.

2) No evidence suggesting events that would have occurred as a consequence of a difference in the nuclear weak force.


I suppose we would know if atomic clocks weren't keeping time like we expect them to; but they're absurdly accurate. So accurate, it actually makes me angry. :-)
 
2014-04-20 09:22:36 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.

It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.


religiousfreaks.com
We'll just see about that...Nope, it's airtight. Can't let this little doozy get out...
 
2014-04-20 09:22:40 PM  

Destructor: Serious question.... How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?


That is a good question.  The best answer I can give is that the weak force is crucial to the nuclear fusion cycles that power stars, and this process seems to work the same way no matter how far out we look in the universe.  If the weak force changed significantly, we'd see it looking back at older stars.
 
2014-04-20 09:22:50 PM  
Krymson Tyde: Y'all really want to get hammered? Drink one during every commercial break.

This may help pace yourself. The commercial breaks are at these points into program:

8:57
14:34
22:53
30:38
37:17
41:18 (just prior to end credits)

yerwelcum.
 
2014-04-20 09:23:13 PM  
Is he hitting on Pat?
 
2014-04-20 09:23:25 PM  
Dammit I just lost picture!
 
2014-04-20 09:23:27 PM  

radiovox: Pick a rock. Any rock.


efchan.net
 
2014-04-20 09:23:48 PM  

Jadedgrl: He's saying Earth every 5 seconds. I'm gonna be hammered.


Mwwaahahahhaha, excellent!
 
2014-04-20 09:24:54 PM  
Pick a rock. Any rock.

Now remember your rock, and put it back into the crater...
 
2014-04-20 09:24:56 PM  
Hey baby, have some uranilead
'
ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2014-04-20 09:25:08 PM  
If uranium eventually turns into lead, how come they's still uranium?

Checkmate, Tyson!
 
2014-04-20 09:25:43 PM  
Told you all it was OCD.
 
2014-04-20 09:26:04 PM  
Duck soup my ass.
 
2014-04-20 09:26:08 PM  
Duck soup?
 
2014-04-20 09:26:26 PM  
Why did he take his shirt off?
 
2014-04-20 09:26:42 PM  
cursing is cool!
 
2014-04-20 09:26:46 PM  
It makes sense for the show to directly refute young earth creationism, considering what is happening today, with religion creeping into public schools and science being treated by so many as some "liberal conspiracy".

When the original series came out in the 70's, science was still highly regarded in the US.  I would put the peak of "science loving" in the USA somewhere around 1975-80.  We have gone far back arsewards since then.  It's weird and scary that human development can go backwards.  It's time for serious offensive action on behalf of science and observable reality.  Like this show. Yes, they should directly refute the biblical literalists.
 
2014-04-20 09:26:56 PM  

clintster: If uranium eventually turns into lead, how come they's still uranium?

Checkmate, Tyson!


And why they's still monkeys?!
 
2014-04-20 09:27:20 PM  
Is lead that pervasive?  That is rather scary.
 
2014-04-20 09:27:21 PM  

crypticsatellite: Duck soup?


Duck makes excellent soup because it's so naturally fatty - tastes good. So duck soup means something easy.
 
2014-04-20 09:27:22 PM  
Clair Patterson saves the world.
 
2014-04-20 09:27:38 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Destructor: How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?

Well we know stars of similar masses age at the same rate as far back as we can see. So at least that far, which is past the age of the earth it's been the same, since if it varied that would effect fusion in stars.


That's a process dominated by the nuclear strong force. But when it comes to forces that aren't easily observed from Earth (gravity, Weak, electromagnetic), things aren't so certain.

Once upon a time, physicists toyed with the the idea the speed of light wasn't always what it is now. That's been disproven pretty thoroughly. I'm just curious about the other known forces.
 
2014-04-20 09:27:57 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-20 09:28:19 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: cursing is cool!


Damn right.
 
2014-04-20 09:28:24 PM  

crypticsatellite: clintster: If uranium eventually turns into lead, how come they's still uranium?

Checkmate, Tyson!

And why they's still monkeys?!


hehehehe, maybe because they like being monkeys
 
2014-04-20 09:29:00 PM  
The guy's voice-over sounds kinda creepy.
 
2014-04-20 09:29:12 PM  
Kinda weird seeing contemporary lab equipment in cartoon form..
 
2014-04-20 09:29:12 PM  

IronTom: Is lead that pervasive?  That is rather scary.


It is. But keep in mind that throughout the 20th century tetraethyllead was a fuel additive, and it so contaminated everything that there is actually a correlation between leaded gasoline and violent crime.
 
2014-04-20 09:29:30 PM  
I wonder if someone really came into Patterson's lab looking for the Men's Room..
 
2014-04-20 09:29:45 PM  

Pentaxian: Clair Patterson saves the world.


Clair? Sounds like a fat girl's name.
 
2014-04-20 09:29:45 PM  

BeerBear: Jadedgrl: He's saying Earth every 5 seconds. I'm gonna be hammered.

newbie :p


Yes I am!
Hi everybody! :)
 
2014-04-20 09:30:23 PM  
Yeah you like that don't you.  I'm  going to ionize you, baby.  What's a little electron between friends.

Just the tip.
 
2014-04-20 09:30:24 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: IronTom: Is lead that pervasive?  That is rather scary.

It is. But keep in mind that throughout the 20th century tetraethyllead was a fuel additive, and it so contaminated everything that there is actually a correlation between leaded gasoline and violent crime.


paint
 
2014-04-20 09:30:26 PM  
4.5 billion years old!


Great, you just know someone's gonna be pissed at the show now.
 
2014-04-20 09:30:32 PM  
Mama's boy.
 
2014-04-20 09:30:48 PM  
So the whole "clean room" aside is interesting and all, but it doesn't seem to be relevant, 'cause he just ends up saying "fark it" and going to Argonne when they build a new mass spec?
 
2014-04-20 09:30:53 PM  
It's a streetlight
 
2014-04-20 09:30:59 PM  
The Mob's after him!

oh no!  worse!  Fundies!
 
2014-04-20 09:31:02 PM  
Uh oh, the Vatican is gonna get his ass now.
 
2014-04-20 09:31:07 PM  
Most powerful people. Creationists?
 
2014-04-20 09:31:18 PM  

mark12A: Kinda weird seeing contemporary lab equipment in cartoon form..


And rendered correctly!

(for the most part)
 
2014-04-20 09:32:21 PM  

12349876: Adolf Oliver Nipples: IronTom: Is lead that pervasive?  That is rather scary.

It is. But keep in mind that throughout the 20th century tetraethyllead was a fuel additive, and it so contaminated everything that there is actually a correlation between leaded gasoline and violent crime.

paint


Paint was actually a fairly minor issue. It was fairly stable and unless you ate paint chips or licked the walls there wasn't much risk. Airborne lead was the real issue, simply because you couldn't stop breathing.
 
2014-04-20 09:32:29 PM  
The secret government Eggo project...
 
2014-04-20 09:32:32 PM  
Hey. I know people doing mass spec at Argone!
 
2014-04-20 09:32:35 PM  
Taco Bell guy threw out his keytar, sometimes you go too far.
 
2014-04-20 09:32:59 PM  
Uh-oh. He's in trouble with some of the most powerful people on the planet! Back after these messages...

/best commercial break point in the series!
//Big Geology? Encyclopedia Mafia?
 
2014-04-20 09:33:12 PM  

Loud_Mouth_Soup: 4.5 billion years old!


He would have saved a lot of time if he'd have just asked Abe Vigoda!
 
2014-04-20 09:33:59 PM  

IronTom: Taco Bell guy threw out his keytar, sometimes you go too far.


And he only got $700 for all that including a Galaga arcade game?
 
2014-04-20 09:34:08 PM  

IronTom: Taco Bell guy threw out his keytar, sometimes you go too far.


I thought he said he sold it on Craigslist.
 
2014-04-20 09:34:45 PM  

mark12A: Uh-oh. He's in trouble with some of the most powerful people on the planet! Back after these messages...

/best commercial break point in the series!
//Big Geology? Encyclopedia Mafia?


Raelians, Lizard People, aliens?
 
2014-04-20 09:34:59 PM  
Zircons... pissed off the most powerful people in the world...

the diamond industry?
 
2014-04-20 09:35:41 PM  

IronTom: mark12A: Uh-oh. He's in trouble with some of the most powerful people on the planet! Back after these messages...

/best commercial break point in the series!
//Big Geology? Encyclopedia Mafia?

Raelians, Lizard People, aliens?


Exxon Mobil.
 
2014-04-20 09:35:41 PM  
Hey, let's attract more Pagans!
 
2014-04-20 09:35:42 PM  

Destructor: WhyteRaven74: Destructor: How sure are we that the the nuclear weak force has maintained its characteristics through the age of the universe?

Well we know stars of similar masses age at the same rate as far back as we can see. So at least that far, which is past the age of the earth it's been the same, since if it varied that would effect fusion in stars.

That's a process dominated by the nuclear strong force. But when it comes to forces that aren't easily observed from Earth (gravity, Weak, electromagnetic), things aren't so certain.

Once upon a time, physicists toyed with the the idea the speed of light wasn't always what it is now. That's been disproven pretty thoroughly. I'm just curious about the other known forces.


Stellar fusion is dominated by the strong force, yes, but the weak force is still important, as witnessed by the massive amounts of neutrinos (produced only weakly) that stars emit.  Several important stellar processes couldn't proceed except via the weak force, so its strength is still measurable is astrophysical observations.
 
2014-04-20 09:35:46 PM  
Hahahahhha, explaining where Xmas came from.
 
2014-04-20 09:35:56 PM  
TO SATURNALIA!

DRINK
 
2014-04-20 09:36:10 PM  
OH MY GOD WAR ON CHRISTMAS!
 
2014-04-20 09:36:11 PM  
NO WANT SATURN!! WHO AFTER SCIENTIST?????
 
2014-04-20 09:36:19 PM  
Christmas as a repurposed Roman Holiday? He just went there.
 
2014-04-20 09:36:24 PM  
Bwahahahaha.... Really going after religion.
 
2014-04-20 09:36:31 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Most powerful people. Creationists?


Top. Men.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-20 09:36:42 PM  
And Neil deGrasse Tyson joins the War on Christmas.
 
2014-04-20 09:36:53 PM  
Hijacking Saturnalia into Christmas seems another swipe....
 
2014-04-20 09:36:54 PM  
Took a break to go outside and watch the International Space Station flyover. What did I miss?
 
2014-04-20 09:37:20 PM  
BRB gotta go plumb some bums.
 
2014-04-20 09:37:35 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Christmas as a repurposed Roman Holiday? He just went there.


That's old news. It's the significance of the day, not the actual day, that matters.
 
2014-04-20 09:37:43 PM  
Stoneasses
 
2014-04-20 09:37:47 PM  
HAIL LEAD!
 
2014-04-20 09:38:33 PM  

IronTom: Is lead that pervasive? That is rather scary.


If you're dealing with minerals lead is quite pervasive.
 
2014-04-20 09:38:35 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Christmas as a repurposed Roman Holiday? He just went there.

That's old news. It's the significance of the day, not the actual day, that matters.


To knowledgeable and informed Christians.

Unfortunately....
 
2014-04-20 09:38:45 PM  
Wait. The Borg are just lead?
 
2014-04-20 09:38:53 PM  
Dr. Tyson has apparently uncovered an insidious scheme by the Borg to destroy our civilization.
 
2014-04-20 09:39:27 PM  

IronTom: Taco Bell guy threw out his keytar, sometimes you go too far.


i232.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-20 09:39:36 PM  
This. This right here is why we can't trust companies to self-regulate.
 
2014-04-20 09:39:53 PM  
Did they deliberately make lead particles look like a Borg cube?
 
2014-04-20 09:39:53 PM  
Who cares if electric light is gay!
 
2014-04-20 09:40:03 PM  
Lead sounds awesome!
 
2014-04-20 09:40:06 PM  
The facts are all correct in all of the episodes, but the graphics are wrong. From the first episode until this one the depictions of molecules and atoms has been wrong, including DNA
 
2014-04-20 09:40:11 PM  

Dimensio: Dr. Tyson has apparently uncovered an insidious scheme by the Borg to destroy our civilization.


hehehehe, there is no escape
 
2014-04-20 09:40:17 PM  
the evil bastards at Dutch Boy paint!
 
2014-04-20 09:40:17 PM  
WIZARD!
 
2014-04-20 09:40:52 PM  
Wilhelm Scream!
 
2014-04-20 09:40:58 PM  
he's tripping balls!
 
2014-04-20 09:41:01 PM  
And now I'll have nightmares.
 
2014-04-20 09:41:27 PM  
Lead Rubbers?

static.comicvine.com
 
2014-04-20 09:43:02 PM  

Loud_Mouth_Soup: Wait. The Borg are just lead?


I bite my thumb at thee.
 
2014-04-20 09:43:12 PM  
Well that settles it. No more lead bullets.
 
2014-04-20 09:43:24 PM  
WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"
 
2014-04-20 09:44:01 PM  
So how much did Big Lead pay for all of the product placement in this episode?  Wasn't it supposed to be about the age of the Earth?
 
2014-04-20 09:44:10 PM  

Krymson Tyde: IronTom: Taco Bell guy threw out his keytar, sometimes you go too far.

[i232.photobucket.com image 625x412]


my new desktop background
 
2014-04-20 09:44:13 PM  
Thomas Midgley, Jr. was the single most environmentally destructive organism in world history. Not only did he discover the effectiveness of and market tetraethyllead as an anti-knock additive, he also co-invented chlorofluorocarbons. If you could go back in time and kill any one person with an eye on saving the world, he would be the one to kill. Hitler was a piker.
 
2014-04-20 09:44:14 PM  

mark12A: WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"


Yeah, god forbid he give any background information.
 
2014-04-20 09:44:18 PM  
Save us, zinc!

bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2014-04-20 09:44:26 PM  

mark12A: Pick a rock. Any rock.

Now remember your rock, and put it back into the crater...


Crap. I lost my rock.
 
2014-04-20 09:44:52 PM  

SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Christmas as a repurposed Roman Holiday? He just went there.

That's old news. It's the significance of the day, not the actual day, that matters.

The only thing significant is that the day was put there for PR purposes because they were selling a lie to maintain control.  It's a fake holiday for a fake savior for a fake religion that people are still too ignorant to open their eyes to.


Derp.
 
2014-04-20 09:45:01 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Not only did he discover the effectiveness of and market tetraethyllead as an anti-knock additive, he also co-invented chlorofluorocarbons.


Seriously? What a dick.
 
2014-04-20 09:45:08 PM  

mark12A: WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"


Pretty sure he's gonna pull it all together.
 
2014-04-20 09:46:03 PM  
You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead...?
 
2014-04-20 09:46:22 PM  

radiovox: mark12A: Pick a rock. Any rock.

Now remember your rock, and put it back into the crater...

Crap. I lost my rock.


I took mine home with me. I cant get it back to the crater...
 
2014-04-20 09:46:37 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Thomas Midgley, Jr. was the single most environmentally destructive organism in world history. Not only did he discover the effectiveness of and market tetraethyllead as an anti-knock additive, he also co-invented chlorofluorocarbons. If you could go back in time and kill any one person with an eye on saving the world, he would be the one to kill. Hitler was a piker.


So, a real life Captain Planet villain?
 
2014-04-20 09:47:03 PM  

Krymson Tyde: IronTom: Taco Bell guy threw out his keytar, sometimes you go too far.

[i232.photobucket.com image 625x412]


i didn't know Perry the Platypus played the keytar!  is there anything he can't do?
 
2014-04-20 09:48:09 PM  

mark12A: WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"


This is all about science and how scientific discoveries can have a huge impact on humanity, even when they're not even trying.  Patterson was just trying to cleanse his lab and figure out the age of the earth and he ended up discovering that we were poisoning our planet.
 
2014-04-20 09:48:46 PM  

rugman11: mark12A: WHY THE HELL IS HE YAMMERING ON ABOUT LEAD??!!

Get back to the age of the earth, isotopic dating please.

Damm this is frustrating. He's hopping all over the place.

/"he's high, he's low, christ, what an asshole"

This is all about science and how scientific discoveries can have a huge impact on humanity, even when they're not even trying.  Patterson was just trying to cleanse his lab and figure out the age of the earth and he ended up discovering that we were poisoning our planet.


Some science nerds can't stand some history.
 
2014-04-20 09:48:49 PM  
Ahhhh, he pissed off big oil...
 
2014-04-20 09:49:17 PM  
Surely, corporations can self regulate themselves.
 
2014-04-20 09:49:42 PM  
Ah, and now a swipe at the denialism industry.
 
2014-04-20 09:50:00 PM  

ManateeGag: Krymson Tyde: IronTom: Taco Bell guy threw out his keytar, sometimes you go too far.

[i232.photobucket.com image 625x412]

i didn't know Perry the Platypus played the keytar!  is there anything he can't do?


I know he can poison things with his ankles.
 
2014-04-20 09:50:05 PM  
Wait, is this Jeff Bridges?
 
2014-04-20 09:51:10 PM  
Now we all have to suffer the horrors of engine knock. Thanks Cosmos...
 
2014-04-20 09:51:13 PM  
Snot!
 
2014-04-20 09:51:21 PM  

rbuzby: It makes sense for the show to directly refute young earth creationism, considering what is happening today, with religion creeping into public schools and science being treated by so many as some "liberal conspiracy".

When the original series came out in the 70's, science was still highly regarded in the US.  I would put the peak of "science loving" in the USA somewhere around 1975-80.  We have gone far back arsewards since then.  It's weird and scary that human development can go backwards.  It's time for serious offensive action on behalf of science and observable reality.  Like this show. Yes, they should directly refute the biblical literalists.


I was in jr.HS in 1980, and I swear I remember both Biology (evolution) and Geology ( a very old Earth) being taught, and nobody derped out about it. When did all of this change?

/ I have a sinking feeling that my old school has probably changed for the worse in recent decades...
 
2014-04-20 09:51:43 PM  
HA HA

This show is about

LEAD!!!
 
2014-04-20 09:51:47 PM  
Contamination'snot funny.
 
2014-04-20 09:51:59 PM  

Destructor: Once upon a time, physicists toyed with the the idea the speed of light wasn't always what it is now. That's been disproven pretty thoroughly. I'm just curious about the other known forces.


But are you sure?  The biblical story of the Flood ends with the creation of the phenomenon of the rainbow.  Which wouldn't be possible without refraction, which wouldn't be possible without the speed of light being different in different materials.

If the speed of light was infinite before the Flood, light from stars further than 6000 light years (as defined by the current speed of light) could have reached Earth, (wrecking one 'proof' that the Earth is more than 6000 years old) , and refraction would have been undetectable.  because a fraction of infinity is still infinity.  Hence no rainbow until God made the speed of light finite, just to make a rainbow after the Flood.

/really surprised a Y.E. Creationist hasn't come up with that yet.
 
2014-04-20 09:52:00 PM  

ArgusRun: IronTom: mark12A: Uh-oh. He's in trouble with some of the most powerful people on the planet! Back after these messages...

/best commercial break point in the series!
//Big Geology? Encyclopedia Mafia?

Raelians, Lizard People, aliens?

Exxon Mobil.


Sweet Jesus. I was right.
 
2014-04-20 09:52:05 PM  

Irving R. Pointystick: Several important stellar processes couldn't proceed except via the weak force, so its strength is still measurable is astrophysical observations.


Thank you, sir.
 
2014-04-20 09:52:11 PM  
Is he wearing those glasses from They Live?
 
2014-04-20 09:52:14 PM  
Awwww, poor leaded pup.
 
2014-04-20 09:52:21 PM  
I would like to see a study of 1970 vs 2014. Be interesting to see how much lead is actually still around.
 
2014-04-20 09:52:55 PM  
If only the lead industry had been allowed more freedom, we'd all be millionaires.
 
2014-04-20 09:53:05 PM  

ArgusRun: ArgusRun: IronTom: mark12A: Uh-oh. He's in trouble with some of the most powerful people on the planet! Back after these messages...

/best commercial break point in the series!
//Big Geology? Encyclopedia Mafia?

Raelians, Lizard People, aliens?

Exxon Mobil.

Sweet Jesus. I was right.


Good call. Looks like we both get the wizard hat tonight.
 
2014-04-20 09:53:12 PM  

crypticsatellite: Snot!


Stew!
 
2014-04-20 09:53:35 PM  
And that man was....


You guessed it.
4.bp.blogspot.com
Frank Stallone.
 
2014-04-20 09:53:47 PM  

crypticsatellite: Awwww, poor leaded pup.


Doesn't cause engine knock like unleaded dog does.
 
2014-04-20 09:54:21 PM  

farkingismybusiness: And that man was....


You guessed it.
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x297]
Frank Stallone.


No, it was TV's Patrick Duffy.
 
2014-04-20 09:54:34 PM  
Damn, only got through 3 beers tonight.
 
2014-04-20 09:54:45 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: I was in jr.HS in 1980, and I swear I remember both Biology (evolution) and Geology ( a very old Earth) being taught, and nobody derped out about it. When did all of this change?


The level of derp depends very much on where in the country you lived, and whether it was rural or urban; presumably also back then, since most of the court (particularly SCOTUS) cases associated to creationism and its variants come from the South.
 
2014-04-20 09:55:00 PM  
And the oil companies are STILL farking us.
 
2014-04-20 09:55:09 PM  
Nice David/Goliath story, not very Galactic/Cosmossy, but good illustration of happy accidents in science.

/Col. Jack D. Ripper was into something...
 
2014-04-20 09:55:10 PM  

farkingismybusiness: And that man was....


You guessed it.
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x297]
Frank Stallone.


Where's Frank Stallone!
 
2014-04-20 09:55:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I would like to see a study of 1970 vs 2014. Be interesting to see how much lead is actually still around.


This is Lake Michigan samples from 1994-6

www.epa.gov
 
2014-04-20 09:55:42 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: But are you sure?


No. No one can be.

Vlad_the_Inaner: If the speed of light was infinite before the Flood, light from stars further than 6000 light years (as defined by the current speed of light) could have reached Earth, (wrecking one 'proof' that the Earth is more than 6000 years old) , and refraction would have been undetectable. because a fraction of infinity is still infinity. Hence no rainbow until God made the speed of light finite, just to make a rainbow after the Flood.


True. Of course, God could just blink like Genie and pretty much do whatever he wanted to do. So, this line of "reasoning" is pointless.

Vlad_the_Inaner: /really surprised a Y.E. Creationist hasn't come up with that yet.


The smarter ones have. But they're also smart enough to know it's pointless to follow that line of thought. It all boils down to simple (stupid) belief.
 
2014-04-20 09:55:48 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: farkingismybusiness: And that man was....


You guessed it.
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x297]
Frank Stallone.

No, it was TV's Patrick Duffy.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-20 09:55:51 PM  

Destructor: Irving R. Pointystick: Several important stellar processes couldn't proceed except via the weak force, so its strength is still measurable is astrophysical observations.

Thank you, sir.


Any time.  Actual astrophysicists could tell you more, if you're interested.  Or probably Wikipedia.
 
2014-04-20 09:57:08 PM  
took the Antarctica Express
 
2014-04-20 09:57:49 PM  
EPA?  The whole series seems intelligently designed to pissed off Republicans.
 
2014-04-20 09:58:03 PM  
Is it Muskie in here, or is it just me?

/actual campaign slogan
 
2014-04-20 09:58:12 PM  

Irving R. Pointystick: Any time. Actual astrophysicists could tell you more, if you're interested. Or probably Wikipedia.


I'm just an enthusiastic amateur constantly looking around for a way to cheat nature... Must find a path to FTL something.... Stupid stubborn universe... ;-)
 
2014-04-20 09:58:57 PM  

12349876: cameroncrazy1984: I would like to see a study of 1970 vs 2014. Be interesting to see how much lead is actually still around.

This is Lake Michigan samples from 1994-6

[www.epa.gov image 244x202]


Wow. That's a bigger change than I expected.
 
2014-04-20 09:59:12 PM  
And he loved french fried taters. Mmmhmmm.
 
2014-04-20 09:59:45 PM  
Brilliant episode.
 
2014-04-20 09:59:48 PM  
fark you, Patterson, lead's awesome!
 
2014-04-20 09:59:57 PM  
Wonder if they had that girl with the blue-jeaned butt walk through on cue, of if it 'just happened'.
 
2014-04-20 10:00:09 PM  
That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.
 
2014-04-20 10:00:19 PM  
Dr. Tyson is now attempting to impugn the credibility of benevolent job creators who, at great personal expense, hire scienticians whose only job is to assure the public that their work is not harmful to the environment.
 
2014-04-20 10:00:24 PM  

ArgusRun: EPA?  The whole series seems intelligently designed to pissed off Republicans.


www.sundriesshack.com
 
2014-04-20 10:00:58 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.


I much prefer breathing in traffic nowadays.
 
2014-04-20 10:01:12 PM  
Did y'all see dat ass?
 
2014-04-20 10:01:27 PM  
Well that was a good episode in my opinion. Good for inspiring future scientists/enviromentalist. Now for Game of Thrones to inspire me to become the God of Tits and Wine.

As they say in Canada: Peace oot.
 
2014-04-20 10:01:48 PM  

IronTom: Wonder if they had that girl with the blue-jeaned butt walk through on cue, of if it 'just happened'.


Yep, you did.
 
2014-04-20 10:02:37 PM  
Biggest change from old to new Cosmos?

More commercials.  Less Space.
 
2014-04-20 10:02:49 PM  
Why does Neil keep scratching his balls?
 
2014-04-20 10:03:03 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Did y'all see dat ass?


She put in at least one or two extra shakes just for the camera.
 
2014-04-20 10:03:42 PM  

fisker: Why does Neil keep scratching his balls?


hahahahaha, was looking at the girl.
 
2014-04-20 10:03:57 PM  
Some parts of the world still use leaded gas, like the middle east :/
 
2014-04-20 10:05:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.


The interesting thing is that it never had to be in gasoline in the first place. They knew that ethanol did the job quite well, and there were other more innocuous substances that would have worked. The problem was that they couldn't patent those, whereas they could (and did) patent TEL. Ethyl Corporation was created by Midgley, Kettering, et al, to cash in.
 
2014-04-20 10:06:07 PM  

IronTom: Krymson Tyde: Did y'all see dat ass?

She put in at least one or two extra shakes just for the camera.


It was certainly glorious.
 
2014-04-20 10:06:17 PM  
blog.werentboston.com
 
2014-04-20 10:07:21 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.


Check out A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. It's chock full of stuff like that (including that story)
 
2014-04-20 10:07:31 PM  
That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.

Actually, lead was removed from gas so that catalytic convertors could be used to reduce car exhaust pollution. Lead poisons the convertors.

You can still get leaded gasoline (100LL -100 octane low lead) for light aircraft. So some lead is still getting out there. But they're close to producing a substitute.
 
2014-04-20 10:08:29 PM  

12349876: cameroncrazy1984: I would like to see a study of 1970 vs 2014. Be interesting to see how much lead is actually still around.

This is Lake Michigan samples from 1994-6

[www.epa.gov image 244x202]


You might have to wonder if that spike that starts around the late 90's and 2000's could come from China?
 
2014-04-20 10:11:33 PM  
Lead was also good for lubricating/protecting the exhaust valves on car engines. Actually forms a barrier that keeps hot edges of the valves from melting into the valve seat. Post 1975 cars made it unnecessary by using hardened valve seats.
 
2014-04-20 10:12:39 PM  

mark12A: Actually, lead was removed from gas so that catalytic convertors could be used to reduce car exhaust pollution. Lead poisons the convertors.


The initial move by the EPA to remove lead from gasoline happened in 1972, though delayed until 1976. Catalytic converters were not mandated on US cars until 1975. Catalytic converters were not the cause of the phase-out, but they certainly helped it along.
 
2014-04-20 10:14:28 PM  

GRCooper: cameroncrazy1984: That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.

Check out A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. It's chock full of stuff like that (including that story)


I will have to do that! Thanks!
 
2014-04-20 10:15:24 PM  
The episode was a wonderful ode to pure science.  The actual age of the earth is an interesting question, but not something that affects our daily lives.

It showed how pure science led to a very applied science and a public health initiative that has vastly improved our lives.
 
2014-04-20 10:17:11 PM  

ArgusRun: The episode was a wonderful ode to pure science.  The actual age of the earth is an interesting question, but not something that affects our daily lives.

It showed how pure science led to a very applied science and a public health initiative that has vastly improved our lives.


100% agree. Very relatable.
 
2014-04-20 10:18:01 PM  
Excellent episode!
 
2014-04-20 10:18:41 PM  
The episode was a wonderful ode to pure science.  The actual age of the earth is an interesting question, but not something that affects our daily lives.

It showed how pure science led to a very applied science and a public health initiative that has vastly improved our lives.


100% agree. Very relatable.


+1
 
2014-04-20 10:20:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GRCooper: cameroncrazy1984: That was a cool episode. I never really knew why lead was removed from automobile gasoline before.

Check out A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. It's chock full of stuff like that (including that story)

I will have to do that! Thanks!


Another good one--and I love Bill Bryson--is "The Science of Discworld" Which sounds like a fantasy novel; but it's interspersed with one chapter of "disc-world" and another chapter of hard science; as a compare/contrast (Discworld vs Roundworld). In fact it's even more detailed in it's hard science than Bill Bryson's excellent book; and more detailed than Cosmos in the hard science.
 
2014-04-20 10:25:30 PM  

ArgusRun: The episode was a wonderful ode to pure science.  The actual age of the earth is an interesting question, but not something that affects our daily lives.

It showed how pure science led to a very applied science and a public health initiative that has vastly improved our lives.


And you get a "Smart."  Loved it.
 
2014-04-20 11:03:39 PM  

DominoFrost: I will be drinking to GoT...  I am hoping to hear 'did not, in the end, shiat gold' tonight......


I have a feeling that might be the closing of the finale.
 
2014-04-20 11:04:44 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Destructor: Once upon a time, physicists toyed with the the idea the speed of light wasn't always what it is now. That's been disproven pretty thoroughly. I'm just curious about the other known forces.

But are you sure?  The biblical story of the Flood ends with the creation of the phenomenon of the rainbow.  Which wouldn't be possible without refraction, which wouldn't be possible without the speed of light being different in different materials.

If the speed of light was infinite before the Flood, light from stars further than 6000 light years (as defined by the current speed of light) could have reached Earth, (wrecking one 'proof' that the Earth is more than 6000 years old) , and refraction would have been undetectable.  because a fraction of infinity is still infinity.  Hence no rainbow until God made the speed of light finite, just to make a rainbow after the Flood.

/really surprised a Y.E. Creationist hasn't come up with that yet.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-20 11:04:46 PM  
This episode was a not-particularly-thinly-veiled assault on science deniers. Whether it's Creationists/anti-evolutionists, climate-change deniers, anti-vaxxers, anti-governmental-regulation libertarians, and so forth, it demonstrates that science trumps business interests (or should) when it comes to the survival of our species.

Magnificent, Dr. Tyson. Magnificent.
 
NFA
2014-04-20 11:25:29 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Destructor: Once upon a time, physicists toyed with the the idea the speed of light wasn't always what it is now. That's been disproven pretty thoroughly. I'm just curious about the other known forces.


But are you sure?  The biblical story of the Flood ends with the creation of the phenomenon of the rainbow.  Which wouldn't be possible without refraction, which wouldn't be possible without the speed of light being different in different materials.

If the speed of light was infinite before the Flood, light from stars further than 6000 light years (as defined by the current speed of light) could have reached Earth, (wrecking one 'proof' that the Earth is more than 6000 years old) , and refraction would have been undetectable.  because a fraction of infinity is still infinity.  Hence no rainbow until God made the speed of light finite, just to make a rainbow after the Flood.

/really surprised a Y.E. Creationist hasn't come up with that yet.



If the universe is 156 billion light years wide, assuming it's expanding out from a central point, that means matter has traveled 78 billion light years in all directions since the big bang.

But we're told the universe is only 13.8 billion years old.  If the speed of light is fixed at 186,000 miles per second, how did all that stellar matter travel 78 billion light years in only 13.8 billion years?
 
NFA
2014-04-20 11:28:12 PM  
Also, if light travels at a fixed rate, how are we able to see within 400,000 years of the big bang (77 billion light years) when the universe is only 13.8 billion years old?
 
2014-04-20 11:38:47 PM  

NFA: how did all that stellar matter travel 78 billion light years in only 13.8 billion years?


Because space itself is not limited to lightspeed when it is expanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_%28cosmology%29
 
2014-04-20 11:56:57 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: NFA: how did all that stellar matter travel 78 billion light years in only 13.8 billion years?

Because space itself is not limited to lightspeed when it is expanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_%28cosmology%29


Or when it is tearing around a black hole for that matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_black_hole
 
2014-04-20 11:57:15 PM  

NFA: If the universe is 156 billion light years wide


is that a fact?
 
2014-04-21 12:22:16 AM  
Observable.
 
NFA
2014-04-21 12:47:08 AM  

IronTom: NFA: If the universe is 156 billion light years wide


is that a fact?


http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/05/24/universe.wide/
 
2014-04-21 01:28:34 AM  

farkingismybusiness: [www.mychandlerschools.org image 300x300]


Wasn't that how geologists found the true age of the Earth anyway, by reading rocks?
 
2014-04-21 01:51:40 AM  

NFA: IronTom: NFA: If the universe is 156 billion light years wide


is that a fact?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/05/24/universe.wide/


CNN reporting the width of the universe to be 156 light years makes me more inclined to believe that the universe is a spheroid region, seven-hundred and five miles in diameter.
 
2014-04-21 02:45:42 AM  

Dimensio: NFA: IronTom: NFA: If the universe is 156 billion light years wide


is that a fact?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/05/24/universe.wide/

CNN reporting the width of the universe to be 156 light years makes me more inclined to believe that the universe is a spheroid region, seven-hundred and five miles in diameter.


I think you mean meters Dr. Crusher.
 
2014-04-21 03:02:13 AM  
That episode was great.
 
2014-04-21 04:25:53 AM  

violentsalvation: That episode was great.


"Get me a graphic representation of the universe"
- Beverly Crusher

Lol, yeah computer, get on that would you.

Great stuff.
 
2014-04-21 04:27:53 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Faith covers what science does not.


No it does not. At best, faith only  conceals the gaps in our knowledge. It does nothing to fill those gaps. Science lets us control the reality around us. Faith lets us control people.

They are not mutually exclusive and never have been except in the minds of crazies.

Science and religion are polar opposites.

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2014-04-21 07:07:25 AM  
We're there any consequences for the industry shill who lied under oath to congress?
 
2014-04-21 07:58:56 AM  

Destructor: Vlad_the_Inaner: But are you sure?

No. No one can be.

Vlad_the_Inaner: If the speed of light was infinite before the Flood, light from stars further than 6000 light years (as defined by the current speed of light) could have reached Earth, (wrecking one 'proof' that the Earth is more than 6000 years old) , and refraction would have been undetectable. because a fraction of infinity is still infinity. Hence no rainbow until God made the speed of light finite, just to make a rainbow after the Flood.

True. Of course, God could just blink like Genie and pretty much do whatever he wanted to do. So, this line of "reasoning" is pointless.

Vlad_the_Inaner: /really surprised a Y.E. Creationist hasn't come up with that yet.

The smarter ones have. But they're also smart enough to know it's pointless to follow that line of thought. It all boils down to simple (stupid) belief.


Yeah, it's impossible to have a real debate with anyone who will simply answer "Well, I don't believe that".  When someone is willfully ignorant, no amount of facts will change their mind until they open themselves up to skepticism.
 
2014-04-21 08:20:52 AM  

bborchar: Yeah, it's impossible to have a real debate with anyone who will simply answer "Well, I don't believe that".


It limits your options. However, you still can discuss. It's important to remind the Believers that at the center of their religion is nothing more than completely unsupported blind faith. They see it as a test or strength. I (we) see it as a denial of reason ("God given" or other).

bborchar: When someone is willfully ignorant, no amount of facts will change their mind until they open themselves up to skepticism.


You just have to agree on terms before you negotiate. :-)

I'm always surprised by how many smart people there are who are very religious. (To be sure, there are a lot of dumb ones too.) Maybe they know something I don't (I'm an atheist). I doubt it. But you never know.
 
2014-04-21 08:27:11 AM  
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2014-04-21 08:52:42 AM  

Destructor: bborchar: Yeah, it's impossible to have a real debate with anyone who will simply answer "Well, I don't believe that".

It limits your options. However, you still can discuss. It's important to remind the Believers that at the center of their religion is nothing more than completely unsupported blind faith. They see it as a test or strength. I (we) see it as a denial of reason ("God given" or other).

bborchar: When someone is willfully ignorant, no amount of facts will change their mind until they open themselves up to skepticism.

You just have to agree on terms before you negotiate. :-)

I'm always surprised by how many smart people there are who are very religious. (To be sure, there are a lot of dumb ones too.) Maybe they know something I don't (I'm an atheist). I doubt it. But you never know.


I have several friends whom I consider very intelligent who are also believers, as well.  I asked one friend of mine about what she thought about the universe, and her answer was "I just don't care how it all got there."  Basically, she would rather not think about it than think about it and question it.

It's her right to do so, of course...but it's not how I would prefer to live my life.
 
2014-04-21 09:02:17 AM  

ManateeGag: Fundies are going to get extra pissed because it's Easter.


I would imagine you wouldn't have to be a "fundie" to dislike his hateful mocking. Yes, I watched it and the show makes just as much a point of mocking religion as it does teaching us science.

I hope his folks are proud. I wouldn't imagine Carl is so much.
 
2014-04-21 09:05:05 AM  

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I'm sure that was, in some way, meant to irritate Christians but I kind alike it.
 
2014-04-21 09:10:34 AM  
I love they tied together universal human ignorance. The Romans knew that Lead is toxic and used it anyway because money. And then with the benefit of hindsight intelligent modern Americans did the exact same thing.
 
2014-04-21 09:46:10 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Kumana Wanalaia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.

It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.

He won't be able to do that, simply because he's spent a lot of time saying that we have no idea how the universe was created. Faith covers what science does not. They are not mutually exclusive and never have been except in the minds of crazies.


No, faith does NOT "cover what science does not." You can tell yourself that, but it's not the case. Just accept that there are areas that are not covered at all. Reality is under no obligation to provide you an answer to everything you may want to know. Science does a really good job of working hard to find those answers but those areas where it can't (or can't yet) do not default to magic and magic is not a place holder.  Saying "we don't know" is too often taken as a thrilling invitation for religious people to say "aha! There's god!" Not because of any evidence but specifically because of the absence of any evidence. Now, who are the "crazies" in that scenario?

I know there is a certain kind of person who likes to assure himself that both sides are wrong, at least what you imagine to be the extremes of both sides; both sides are crazy; that the truth is a nice balance right in the middle. But if you want to be honest you need to recognize that that is bromidic and probably nothing more. While science is sometimes wrong, there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that faith is not entirely, completely, unequivocally wrong.

The "crazies" you speak of, I assume, are the unyielding people at either extreme. But the ones on the science end are people who firmly insist that beliefs be backed up by facts and the ones on the other end are those that insist that no facts can sway them in their beliefs? Are they equally crazy in your estimation? If we let them zero each other out, the debate is somehow smarter? Or just more convenient for the narrative of those who engage in wishful thinking?
 
2014-04-21 10:17:01 AM  

bborchar: I have several friends whom I consider very intelligent who are also believers, as well.  I asked one friend of mine about what she thought about the universe, and her answer was "I just don't care how it all got there."  Basically, she would rather not think about it than think about it and question it.

It's her right to do so, of course...but it's not how I would prefer to live my life.


That's so frustrating.  I'm a believer who has chosen to never let dogma overcome evidence.  When I look at the Big Bang, and evolution and the path it took to get us here, it doesn't change my belief that a Creator is behind it all.  It actually magnifies my awe, because a Creator that can plan every last variable down to the precision needed for this to all work is way more impressive than - " Eh, ok, so everything, I command you to exist."

Doesn't make me very popular among fundies or Anti-Christians, but oh well.  It's my belief and it works for me, and doesn't keep anyone from learning science.
 
2014-04-21 10:27:54 AM  
People who believe in magic are just too easy to make fun of... it's not even a challenge.
 
2014-04-21 10:39:35 AM  
how science is best presented on television: look around you.
 
2014-04-21 10:40:54 AM  

rwhamann: bborchar: I have several friends whom I consider very intelligent who are also believers, as well.  I asked one friend of mine about what she thought about the universe, and her answer was "I just don't care how it all got there."  Basically, she would rather not think about it than think about it and question it.

It's her right to do so, of course...but it's not how I would prefer to live my life.

That's so frustrating.  I'm a believer who has chosen to never let dogma overcome evidence.  When I look at the Big Bang, and evolution and the path it took to get us here, it doesn't change my belief that a Creator is behind it all.  It actually magnifies my awe, because a Creator that can plan every last variable down to the precision needed for this to all work is way more impressive than - " Eh, ok, so everything, I command you to exist."

Doesn't make me very popular among fundies or Anti-Christians, but oh well.  It's my belief and it works for me, and doesn't keep anyone from learning science.


I feel a bit sorry for those people who shut themselves off to the possibilities of what exists beyond our own world out of fear of losing their belief, because it's absolutely amazing to me.  I've always believed that faith should be there to serve someone in their life, and not the other way around.  Not everyone needs or wants it, but some do, and there's no problem with that.  It's when people say "Well, my religion forbids this" and they never once question why that baffles me.  I grew up in the Bible belt, and even though my parents weren't devoted Christians, my grandparents were.  I heard more than once "Well, it's better to believe that there is a God, because if you are wrong, you will burn in hell for eternity."  It took a long time to get past that fear, and it's something I will never put to my children.  If they choose to be religious as adults, that is their right...but they can never accuse me of scaring them into it as I was.

It's cool that you are open to new things, though.  I wish I knew more people like you.
 
2014-04-21 10:52:54 AM  

Closed_Minded_Bastage: Dimensio: NFA: IronTom: NFA: If the universe is 156 billion light years wide


is that a fact?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/05/24/universe.wide/

CNN reporting the width of the universe to be 156 light years makes me more inclined to believe that the universe is a spheroid region, seven-hundred and five miles in diameter.

I think you mean meters Dr. Crusher.


I was extremely drunk at the time.
 
2014-04-21 10:54:59 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: IronTom: Is lead that pervasive?  That is rather scary.

It is. But keep in mind that throughout the 20th century tetraethyllead was a fuel additive, and it so contaminated everything that there is actually a correlation between leaded gasoline and violent crime.


Here's more on the link between lead, violent crime, and mental retardation.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasol in e
 
2014-04-21 11:02:19 AM  

bborchar: rwhamann: bborchar: I have several friends whom I consider very intelligent who are also believers, as well.  I asked one friend of mine about what she thought about the universe, and her answer was "I just don't care how it all got there."  Basically, she would rather not think about it than think about it and question it.

It's her right to do so, of course...but it's not how I would prefer to live my life.

That's so frustrating.  I'm a believer who has chosen to never let dogma overcome evidence.  When I look at the Big Bang, and evolution and the path it took to get us here, it doesn't change my belief that a Creator is behind it all.  It actually magnifies my awe, because a Creator that can plan every last variable down to the precision needed for this to all work is way more impressive than - " Eh, ok, so everything, I command you to exist."

Doesn't make me very popular among fundies or Anti-Christians, but oh well.  It's my belief and it works for me, and doesn't keep anyone from learning science.

I feel a bit sorry for those people who shut themselves off to the possibilities of what exists beyond our own world out of fear of losing their belief, because it's absolutely amazing to me.  I've always believed that faith should be there to serve someone in their life, and not the other way around.  Not everyone needs or wants it, but some do, and there's no problem with that.  It's when people say "Well, my religion forbids this" and they never once question why that baffles me.  I grew up in the Bible belt, and even though my parents weren't devoted Christians, my grandparents were.  I heard more than once "Well, it's better to believe that there is a God, because if you are wrong, you will burn in hell for eternity." It took a long time to get past that fear, and it's something I will never put to my children.  If they choose to be religious as adults, that is their right...but they can never accuse me of scaring them into it as I was.

It's cool that you ...


Ahhh, the fallacy that is Pascal's Wager... anytime I hear that, I always respond with, "Ok... but which god do I pick?"
 
2014-04-21 11:11:15 AM  

stonicus: Ahhh, the fallacy that is Pascal's Wager... anytime I hear that, I always respond with, "Ok... but which god do I pick?"


Well, I was pretty young and living in a diversity-challenged area.  I didn't know there were other religions or gods until I was in High School.
 
2014-04-21 12:15:52 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Did y'all see dat ass?


aw, crap.  don't tell me that was for those few seconds I missed after it came back from commercial break and I was still in the kitchen?
 
2014-04-21 12:16:57 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: IronTom: Is lead that pervasive?  That is rather scary.

It is. But keep in mind that throughout the 20th century tetraethyllead was a fuel additive, and it so contaminated everything that there is actually a correlation between leaded gasoline and violent crime.


The decrease in violent crime also correlates with legalizing abortion and increased women's rights and black civil rights.   There's no direct evidence supporting a connection between lead poisoning and criminal behavior.
 
2014-04-21 12:18:41 PM  

danno_to_infinity: Krymson Tyde: Did y'all see dat ass?

aw, crap.  don't tell me that was for those few seconds I missed after it came back from commercial break and I was still in the kitchen?


don't mean to quote myself, but no edit functions are available.  when was the fine derriere on the episode?  Approximately?  Tried googling it, nothing yet.
 
2014-04-21 12:43:05 PM  

vonster: the show makes just as much a point of mocking religion as it does teaching us science.


How sad it must be to live trapped in a mindset which interprets stating facts as mocking you.
 
2014-04-21 02:19:29 PM  

stonicus: Ahhh, the fallacy that is Pascal's Wager... anytime I hear that, I always respond with, "Ok... but which god do I pick?"


i prefer the epicurean paradox:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
 
2014-04-21 02:48:21 PM  

danno_to_infinity: danno_to_infinity: Krymson Tyde: Did y'all see dat ass?

aw, crap.  don't tell me that was for those few seconds I missed after it came back from commercial break and I was still in the kitchen?

don't mean to quote myself, but no edit functions are available.  when was the fine derriere on the episode?  Approximately?  Tried googling it, nothing yet.


It was at the end when NDT was wrapping things up.
 
2014-04-21 04:20:44 PM  

NFA: assuming it's expanding out from a central point


It's not. There is no center of the Universe.
 
2014-04-21 05:36:14 PM  

gshepnyc: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Kumana Wanalaia: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Taking shots at Young Earth Creationists is too easy. He's already skewered them so many times that he ought to ignore them completely. Yet it seems like he's still firing shots across the bow.

It's a lead in for the last episode where Neil proves there's no God.

He won't be able to do that, simply because he's spent a lot of time saying that we have no idea how the universe was created. Faith covers what science does not. They are not mutually exclusive and never have been except in the minds of crazies.

No, faith does NOT "cover what science does not." You can tell yourself that, but it's not the case. Just accept that there are areas that are not covered at all. Reality is under no obligation to provide you an answer to everything you may want to know. Science does a really good job of working hard to find those answers but those areas where it can't (or can't yet) do not default to magic and magic is not a place holder.  Saying "we don't know" is too often taken as a thrilling invitation for religious people to say "aha! There's god!" Not because of any evidence but specifically because of the absence of any evidence. Now, who are the "crazies" in that scenario?

I know there is a certain kind of person who likes to assure himself that both sides are wrong, at least what you imagine to be the extremes of both sides; both sides are crazy; that the truth is a nice balance right in the middle. But if you want to be honest you need to recognize that that is bromidic and probably nothing more. While science is sometimes wrong, there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that faith is not entirely, completely, unequivocally wrong.

The "crazies" you speak of, I assume, are the unyielding people at either extreme. But the ones on the science end are people who firmly insist that beliefs be backed up by facts and the ones on the other end are those that insist that no facts can sway them in their beliefs? Are t ...


There are a lot of words here, but in the end we are still faced with the fact that nobody, NOBODY, knows what kicked it all off. Until someone does know and can demonstrate it scientifically, God is as good an explanation as any.

The key difference between me, a rational science-derived thinker who is also a Catholic, and a "loony" fundamentalist is that I reject nothing out of hand. All you have to do is prove it. The remainder is left to me to fill as I see fit, and when proof is forthcoming to adapt my views accordingly.
 
2014-04-21 05:41:14 PM  

Graffito: The decrease in violent crime also correlates with legalizing abortion and increased women's rights and black civil rights. There's no direct evidence supporting a connection between lead poisoning and criminal behavior.


Really? Are you sure?

Matching curves with a 22-year lag seems statistically significant. Scientists smarter than I am seem to agree. Why do you disagree?
 
2014-04-21 06:00:31 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: ...All you have to do is prove it. The remainder is left to me to fill as I see fit, and when proof is forthcoming to adapt my views accordingly.


The entire essence of being reasonable and humble.  What more can anyone ask?
 
2014-04-21 06:23:49 PM  

Krymson Tyde: danno_to_infinity: danno_to_infinity: Krymson Tyde: Did y'all see dat ass?

aw, crap.  don't tell me that was for those few seconds I missed after it came back from commercial break and I was still in the kitchen?

don't mean to quote myself, but no edit functions are available.  when was the fine derriere on the episode?  Approximately?  Tried googling it, nothing yet.

It was at the end when NDT was wrapping things up.


I just checked that out.  Thank you very much.

Yes, she did seem to give it an extra shake or two :)
 
2014-04-21 06:44:45 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: There are a lot of words here, but in the end we are still faced with the fact that nobody, NOBODY, knows what kicked it all off. Until someone does know and can demonstrate it scientifically, God is as good an explanation as any.


God is not a good explanation because appealing to a mystery by appealing to a bigger mystery doesn't get us anywhere. It has no explanatory power.

Besides, it can be easily explained without invoking God. Ask me how.
 
2014-04-21 06:55:11 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: There are a lot of words here, but in the end we are still faced with the fact that nobody, NOBODY, knows what kicked it all off. Until someone does know and can demonstrate it scientifically, God is as good an explanation as any.


How about Zeus? Or Odin? Or the Easter Bunny? Are they also good explanations? If God did it, what made God?

What if the universe wasn't kicked off at all? If time is part of the universe rather than something that exists outside it, any notion of "before" becomes meaningless because there would not have been a "before" in which anything could have happened to set it off.
 
2014-04-21 08:00:36 PM  

SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: There are a lot of words here, but in the end we are still faced with the fact that nobody, NOBODY, knows what kicked it all off. Until someone does know and can demonstrate it scientifically, God is as good an explanation as any.

If it's really as good of an explanation as any then it should be easy to explain.  So explain to me how the universe in all of its complexity, being too vast to have come from nothing, was created by a creator seemingly more vast and complex than the universe itself.  I'm not advocating an ex nihilo interpretation I'm just pointing out that IF it came from nothing then either nothing or only god existed and if only god existed then the universe before the universe was just god AND god being more complex than the universe had to have been created by something too.  so the universe can't create itself because that was too complicated so let's use the explanation that something more complicated had to exist to create the universe in the first place?!?  (or there was actually nothing, no universe, no god.)  I'd like to ask the question : HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?


Because the alternative is to believe in magic. How did the Big Bang happen? There is as yet no physical explanation. How is believing in your magic any different than believing in mine?

I do not, and I will not, ever reject any scientific finding because it conflicts with my notion of God. That you choose not to believe in what I believe in bothers me not a whit. I neither ask you to believe what I believe nor expect you to.
 
2014-04-21 08:02:08 PM  

danno_to_infinity: Krymson Tyde: danno_to_infinity: danno_to_infinity: Krymson Tyde: Did y'all see dat ass?

aw, crap.  don't tell me that was for those few seconds I missed after it came back from commercial break and I was still in the kitchen?

don't mean to quote myself, but no edit functions are available.  when was the fine derriere on the episode?  Approximately?  Tried googling it, nothing yet.

It was at the end when NDT was wrapping things up.

I just checked that out.  Thank you very much.

Yes, she did seem to give it an extra shake or two :)


You're very welcome.
 
2014-04-21 09:04:54 PM  

SquiggsIN: Science is skepticism, religion is assumption.


I agree. That said, I have made an assumption that suits me better than "I don't know". I still don't know, but I find my explanation perfectly plausible.

I also allow for the possibility that I may be wrong. If I am, nothing is lost. If I'm not, everything is gained. As I choose not to impose my views upon anybody else, it is perfectly harmless. The harm comes from people who believe what I believe and make it their life's mission to ensure that their views are the ones that control. Thus we have the Separation of Church and State, which is how it ought to be.

Science, religion, and politics in a single thread. Who said that this show wasn't enlightening?
 
2014-04-22 01:25:57 AM  
Late to the party, but that was an absolutely incredible episode. Anytime someone asks, "Why should we fund science?" They should see that episode.
 
2014-04-22 01:26:45 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: How did the Big Bang happen? There is as yet no physical explanation.


Yes there is. I can explain it. Ask me how.
 
2014-04-22 04:20:11 AM  

usernameguy: Late to the party, but that was an absolutely incredible episode. Anytime someone asks, "Why should we fund science?" They should see that episode.


Agreed.  Best episode yet.

I've been critical of NdGT in the past but he is well fit for the Cosmos remix.  He's doing well, and the content of the show is exceptional.
 
2014-04-22 06:37:32 AM  
More science. Less drama.
 
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