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2014-04-20 09:01:52 PM
How do they leave off Kevin Maas?
 
2014-04-20 09:24:00 PM
No. 13 should have been referred to as [REDACTED] or just left off the list entirely.
 
2014-04-20 09:33:51 PM

Dougie AXP: No. 13 should have been referred to as [REDACTED] or just left off the list entirely.


I was happy as hell when the Yankees got him, he wasn't on the Mitchell list, however when I seen David Ortiz, manny ramirez and Alex Rod on the list for tested positive, I almost died knowing he was going to possibly fluke.
He could of stopped doing the roids and been fine, instead was a farking idiot joining Manny Ramirez in the "I CANT PLAY WITHOUT ROIDZZZZ".

Shameful fact is if he didn't get busted, he would be in the HOF with Ortiz - both tested positive although it was in 2003 when nobody gave a shiat.
 
2014-04-20 09:44:37 PM
I would take Nettles over A rod in a heartbeat.
 
2014-04-20 09:45:00 PM
I went and looked for an equivalent Cubs list. It got made about the same time as the Yankees list, but it still has no current Cubs- as I'd expect. No Castro, no Rizzo, no Samardjiza.

As it's slideshowed, I'll just give you the names:

50: Clark Griffith
49: Shawon Dunston
48: Aramis Ramirez
47: Heinie Zimmerman
46: Derrek Lee
45: William Nicholson
44: Jose Cardenal
43: Glenn Beckert
42: Rick Sutcliffe
41: Don Kessinger
40: Carlos Zambrano
39: Lon Warneke
38: Bill Lee
37: Hank Sauer
36: Bill Madlock
35: Rick Reuschel
34: Bill Buckner
33: Woody English
32: Jimmy Ryan
31: Grover Cleveland Alexander
30: Johnny Evers
29: Bruce Sutter
28: Kiki Cuyler
27: Stan Hack
26: Charlie Grimm
25: Claude Passeau
24: Lee Smith
23: Sammy Sosa
22: Larry Corcoran
21: Rogers Hornsby
20: Andre Dawson
19: Charlie Root
18: Riggs Stephenson
17: Billy Herman
16: Mark Grace
15: Joe Tinker
14: Greg Maddux
13: Ed Reulbach
12: Hippo Vaughn
11: Phil Cavarretta
10: Gabby Hartnett
9: Hack Wilson
8: Frank Chance
7: Ryne Sandberg
6: Ferguson Jenkins
5: Billy Williams
4: Three Finger Brown
3: Cap Anson
2: Ron Santo
1: Ernie Banks

See, this is the frustrating thing about being a Cubs fan. It's not merely the title drought. It's the fact that you know the club has talent on it, real honest-to-God Hall of Fame talent that passes through Wrigley, and yet it never all comes together at the same time.
 
2014-04-20 09:54:52 PM
Also, I'm not sure how Posada got to 21. Always kind of struck me as the weak link of the Core Four. And Stottlemyre to 31? How?

I'm not sure how Roger Peckinpaugh missed out. Team captain from 1914-21, consistently finishing at or near the top of the AL in defensive WAR during and after his stay in New York.
 
2014-04-20 09:55:03 PM
Delsideified? Gud speeling
 
2014-04-20 10:15:31 PM
I woulda swapped Yogi and Jeter
 
2014-04-20 10:23:45 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Delsideified? Gud speeling


Well to be fair, it is a godsend.
 
2014-04-20 10:29:45 PM
One question:

WHERE THE fark IS JERRY COLEMAN?

/SD Fan
//Why, Yes, I am biased
 
2014-04-20 11:09:15 PM
There ought to be a rule for lists like this: ALL Hall of Famers comprise the top of the list. Failure to do so requires justification, such as a lead-pipe lock HOF player who just hasn't had a vote OR someone like Thurman Munson who became a legend as much for how he died as for what he did in his career. There is no justification for putting a guy like Sparky Lyle that high on the list ahead of actual Hall of Fame players. None.

Also, this list fails without Billy Martin. Yes, he was a drunk asshole. Yes, he was petty and mercurial. But he gave everything he had when he played and probably got farked over by Steinbrenner at every turn as manager. How they justified leaving him off and putting a guy like David Cone on this list I'll never know.
 
2014-04-20 11:14:57 PM
Jackson is a little low on the list for my taste.  he should be top 10.  #13 should be left off the list entirely.
 
2014-04-20 11:17:03 PM
ESPN...

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2014-04-20 11:40:30 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: There ought to be a rule for lists like this: ALL Hall of Famers comprise the top of the list. Failure to do so requires justification, such as a lead-pipe lock HOF player who just hasn't had a vote OR someone like Thurman Munson who became a legend as much for how he died as for what he did in his career. There is no justification for putting a guy like Sparky Lyle that high on the list ahead of actual Hall of Fame players. None.


You're either bad at reading or live in a world where Bob Meusel is in the Hall of Fame.
 
2014-04-20 11:53:38 PM

DeWayne Mann: Adolf Oliver Nipples: There ought to be a rule for lists like this: ALL Hall of Famers comprise the top of the list. Failure to do so requires justification, such as a lead-pipe lock HOF player who just hasn't had a vote OR someone like Thurman Munson who became a legend as much for how he died as for what he did in his career. There is no justification for putting a guy like Sparky Lyle that high on the list ahead of actual Hall of Fame players. None.

You're either bad at reading or live in a world where Bob Meusel is in the Hall of Fame.


Bad at reading, actually. I was going with the David Cone theme and Sparky Lyle got into my head. The point stands.
 
2014-04-20 11:55:37 PM
Gehrig was better than Babe.

There, I said it.
Compare the numbers. It is pretty close.
 
2014-04-21 12:04:57 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Bad at reading, actually. I was going with the David Cone theme and Sparky Lyle got into my head. The point stands.


Well, considering Cone should probably be in the Hall, I'm unconcerned.

crazydave023: Compare the numbers. It is pretty close.


I did. You're wrong.
 
2014-04-21 12:14:25 AM

DeWayne Mann: Well, considering Cone should probably be in the Hall, I'm unconcerned.


I can't find a way to justify that. Neither can the people who vote, because he's no longer on the ballot. 194-126 with a 3.46 ERA? The only Hall of Famer he's comparable to according to Baseball Reference is Dazzy Vance, not exactly a glowing endorsement.
 
2014-04-21 12:29:16 AM

DeWayne Mann: Well, considering Cone should probably be in the Hall, I'm unconcerned.


You have GOT to be joking. Maybe he earned more than the one-and-done he got handed in 2009, but that is all I'm willing to surrender. And even then he ought to drop off after the second or third ballot. Mark Grace had a better case for sticking around on the ballot than Cone did.
 
2014-04-21 12:30:13 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I can't find a way to justify that. Neither can the people who vote, because he's no longer on the ballot. 194-126 with a 3.46 ERA? The only Hall of Famer he's comparable to according to Baseball Reference is Dazzy Vance, not exactly a glowing endorsement.


Well, fark just threw away a big post I had because I was missing a quotation mark in a link and now I'm too pissed to rewrite it, so here are the highlights:

1. Win/loss records are terrible ways to judge people
2. Similarity scores use W/L records, so
3. Cone's ERA+ is 121, which is pretty good
4. Look at Drysdale & Marichal, who played roughly as long and had near identical ERA+s (but played in a time better for pitchers). Might look at Feller too.
5. The Hall of Stats has him as the 36th best pitcher, between Feller & Vance and well ahead of Marichal & Drysdale

Think that's it.
 
2014-04-21 12:34:53 AM

crazydave023: Gehrig was better than Babe.

There, I said it.
Compare the numbers. It is pretty close.


Overall, I really wouldn't argue with you.

I liked Rickey but he doesn't need to be on this list and certainly not ARoid. David Cone, ehhhh. He pitched some great, clutch games but he only spent around 1/3 of his career with the Yankees.

I threw up in my mouth a little seeing he whose name shall not be uttered next to Thurman's. I wouldn't put Mattingly above Thurman either but I'm biased because he's still one of my all time favorites.
 
2014-04-21 12:46:57 AM
Where's David Wells? Pitched a perfect game for the team, had two long stints with them, two or three world series rings. He was my favorite growing up.
 
2014-04-21 02:14:05 AM

crazydave023: Gehrig was better than Babe.

There, I said it.
Compare the numbers. It is pretty close.


Dude, Ruth's OPS+ is 206 and Gehrig's is 179. If you don't like basic saber stats like that, Babe had a .349/.484/.711 slash line as a Yankee. Gehrig sat at .340/.447/.632.

Sure, it is relatively close. But there is nothing in those numbers to suggest that Gehrig was better. At all.

More importantly, the Yankees had these two dudes the same lineup during their prime Even though Babe was obviously better, my goodness.. what a 1-2 punch.

//what is this, sports talk radio? You gotta say something controversial (and easily proven wrong) to get noticed?
 
2014-04-21 07:32:21 AM
I'm not a Yankee fan but I always thought yogi was the bomb. He caught Larsons perfect world series game and was the left fielder when Maz hit his famous world series shot.

/I find this info an amazing indictment of his talent.
 
2014-04-21 07:35:36 AM
If they ignored steroids, which they apparently did by putting A-Roid and Pettitte on the list, then I'm surprised Clemens didn't make this list.

/Then again, none of them should even be considered for this
 
2014-04-21 08:06:38 AM
You know how I know this list was compiled by a Red Sox fan? Scooter is listed lower than ARod.
 
2014-04-21 09:02:47 AM
Thank God no Rizzuto bashing....yet.....
 
2014-04-21 09:28:36 AM
List fails without Carl Pavano.
 
2014-04-21 09:32:02 AM

ladodger34: crazydave023: Gehrig was better than Babe.

There, I said it.
Compare the numbers. It is pretty close.

Dude, Ruth's OPS+ is 206 and Gehrig's is 179. If you don't like basic saber stats like that, Babe had a .349/.484/.711 slash line as a Yankee. Gehrig sat at .340/.447/.632.

Sure, it is relatively close. But there is nothing in those numbers to suggest that Gehrig was better. At all.

More importantly, the Yankees had these two dudes the same lineup during their prime Even though Babe was obviously better, my goodness.. what a 1-2 punch.

//what is this, sports talk radio? You gotta say something controversial (and easily proven wrong) to get noticed?


But Gehrig had heart.  You can't measure heart.

/sarcasm
//his fielding was probably better, but Ruth had a pretty good arm in right for at least the first half of his Yankees career.
 
2014-04-21 09:40:35 AM

Arkanaut: //his fielding was probably better, but Ruth had a pretty good arm in right for at least the first half of his Yankees career.


Decided to just look this up for myself -- Gehrig actually had a slightly negative defensive WAR for most of his seasons, whereas Ruth was slightly positive up through 1927.

You who did have a positive defensive WAR for the Yankees at first base? Wally Pipp.
 
2014-04-21 09:59:09 AM
In no reality is A-Rod a better Yankee than Reggie Jackson. Or Dave Winfield, for that matter.
 
2014-04-21 01:02:02 PM

Mateorocks: In no reality is A-Rod a better Yankee than Reggie Jackson. Or Dave Winfield, for that matter.


A-Rod: Career WAR: 116.0, WAR as Yankee: 52.5.  Played more than half his career in pinstripes.  Postseason OPS: .833.
Winfield: Career WAR: 63.8, WAR as Yankee: 26.9.  Played for 6 teams, less than half of his games in pinstripes.  Postseason OPS: .641
Reggie: Career WAR: 73.8, WAR as Yankee: 17.1.  Wore each of two other uniforms more often than pinstripes.  Postseason OPS: .885.

In terms of baseball impact for the Yankees, he's better than both combined.  If you want to demote A-Rod because he's a dick, that's fine.  But it's not crazy to think that he meant a lot more on the field.

It's also weird that Jackson is "Mr. October" and A-Rod is regarded as the worst postseason player since Pol Pot, but in terms of hitting baseballs on baseball fields, the gap is pretty small.
 
2014-04-21 01:15:13 PM

crazydave023: Gehrig was better than Babe.

There, I said it.
Compare the numbers. It is pretty close.


Nope.

But I'll vote for Mantle as #3 over DiMaggio, even if you pencil in three extra prime years for DiMaggio to make up for WWII.  As great as Mantle was, he's slightly underrated.
 
2014-04-21 02:34:15 PM

Arkanaut: Arkanaut: //his fielding was probably better, but Ruth had a pretty good arm in right for at least the first half of his Yankees career.

Decided to just look this up for myself -- Gehrig actually had a slightly negative defensive WAR for most of his seasons, whereas Ruth was slightly positive up through 1927.

You who did have a positive defensive WAR for the Yankees at first base? Wally Pipp.


dWAR is weird.

Add in Ruth's 20 or so WAR as a really good pitcher, and the no contest between him and Gehrig becomes even less of a contest.
 
2014-04-21 04:55:01 PM

Dafatone: dWAR is weird.


I finally, FINALLY came up with a situation where dWAR might actually be the best tool available.

Only took me like 4 years. So excited!
 
2014-04-21 06:31:46 PM

The Bestest: I woulda swapped Yogi and Jeter


I would have swapped Jeter (7) and Rivera (5).  Rivera was great at his position, but it's pretty hard to compare someone who went out every day to someone who pitched 1 inning a game averaging 60-70 innings a season.

Rivera was great, but Jeter was more valuable. Jeter 74 fWar vs Rivera 42 fWar if you're into that sort of thing.

But I hate the yankees.
 
2014-04-21 09:53:06 PM
Baseball sucks.

Always has, always will.
 
2014-04-22 06:21:48 AM
jmr61's momBaseball sucks.

Always has, always will.

FTFY
 
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