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(CBC)   Saudi Arabia has confirmed seven new cases of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, adding up to 36 infections in five days, a sudden increase of a disease that kills about a third of the people infected and has no cure. الجميع الذعر   (cbc.ca) divider line 101
    More: Scary, Saudi Arabia, Mers, new cases, riyadh, Hajj, infections, diseases  
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2014-04-20 05:02:44 PM  

gopher321: international and Saudi health authorities say the disease, which originated in camels, does not transmit easily between people and may simply die out.


o_O


Pretty common for people in the Middle East to live in close contact with their livestock, which in their case is camels.  It's why swine and avian flus are potentially so so dangerous, as so many people around the world live in close contact with pigs, chickens and ducks.

It's also why smallpox was so widespread and dangerous until the vaccine was developed, as people in western Europe and  the US frequently lived in the same building as their livestock into the middle of the 19th century.
 
2014-04-20 05:24:26 PM  
They're just not shouting "Allah Akbar" loud enough.
 
2014-04-20 05:25:37 PM  

FatherDale: Yeah, sorry, but he isn't the only one who feels that way. The magical thinking, the instant butthurt over the smallest things, and the sheer "I hate you because you're not like me" just works your nerves after a while.

Wait, were we talking about Arabs or teabaggers?


It works both ways.
There were lots of Muslims I worked with briefly in Afghanistan who got instantly butthurt when they realized I wouldn't change stop [insert random cultural minutiae here].  Just like the teabaggers, really.
Sometimes I think those guys should all get together and go bowling.
 
2014-04-20 05:36:15 PM  

LaurenAguilera: But... are the ports of Madagascar still open?!


First thought.
 
2014-04-20 05:42:55 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Fallout Boy: gopher321: international and Saudi health authorities say the disease, which originated in camels, does not transmit easily between people and may simply die out.


o_O

FloridaFarkTag: Wonder if camels are used to mix and create medicines in Saudi?

Some believe using monkeys to create vaccines in Africa led to AIDS outbreak....wonder if MERS can be spread same via camels and medicine or anti-venom creation?

gopher: Respiratory viruses can sometimes cross species and infect humans, examples the swine and avian flu.

florida: Flus are typically spread through respiratory droplets, so I doubt that can happen.

But there still has to be some mutation along the way for MERS to begin affecting Humans....it has to be more than just droplet transmission


My understanding (and I'm away from my work computer, so I'm working from memory here) is that the majority of the human cases have been due to person-to-person transmission, not animal exposure. It's not even entirely clear that camels are the ones transmitting the disease. Bats are usually considered the reservoir species for coronaviruses; but there's been little evidence of exposure to either animal being the cause of MERS. The major link connecting them to the disease is antibodies against it (in camels) and nucleic acid fragments from the virus (in bats).

netcentric: If 75% of the camels have had MERS, maybe you ought to think about looking into a vaccine.

"He also said it may be possible to develop a vaccine to prevent the disease in camels. But he said creating a vaccine for people would not make sense, given that so far, MERS is rare..."


Heck, they aren't even interested in vaccinating the farkin camels, let alone worrying about humans.
Meh,  it's rare,  let those people die.


There's a lot of problems with vaccine development, not the least of which is that Saudia Arabia is in a bit of a pissing match with the rest of the world over samples and ownership of the sequences.

More importantly, the development of an animal model for testing any vaccines or therapeutics has been slow. Most of the models that have been developed are in academic settings, meaning they're of rather limited availability. There's a primate model, but those are really expensive and increasingly controversial. The mouse model requires implanting a human gene in the mouse lungs first; fraught with complications, in other words.

Plus, implementation is going to be difficult. It's a very limited disease so far, so how can you tell if the vaccine is actually protective in humans? You can't give study volunteers the disease. You have to rely on data from animal models and secondary markers; in the mean time, do you spend millions of dollars vaccinating a population with a vaccine that may not work?

/The "who you know" part of this business is frustrating sometimes
 
2014-04-20 05:54:51 PM  
A Captain in the foreign legion was transferred to a desert outpost. On his orientation tour he noticed a very old, seedy looking camel tied out back of the enlisted men's barracks. He asked the Sergeant leading the tour, "What's the camel for?"

The Sergeant replied, "Well sir it's a long way from anywhere, and the men have natural sexual urges, so when they do, uh, we have the camel."

The captain said, "Well if it's good for morale, then I guess it's all right with me."

After he had been at the fort for about 6 months the captain could not stand it any more so he told his Sergeant, "BRING IN THE CAMEL!!!"

The sarge shrugged his shoulders and led the camel into the captain's quarters. The captain got a footstool and proceeded to have vigorous sex with the camel. As he stepped, satisfied, down from the stool, and was buttoning his pants he asked the Sergeant, "Is that how the enlisted men do it?"

The Sergeant replied, "Well sir, they usually just use it to ride to town and pick up women..."
 
2014-04-20 05:59:54 PM  

dryknife: A Captain in the foreign legion was transferred to a desert outpost. On his orientation tour he noticed a very old, seedy looking camel tied out back of the enlisted men's barracks. He asked the Sergeant leading the tour, "What's the camel for?"

The Sergeant replied, "Well sir it's a long way from anywhere, and the men have natural sexual urges, so when they do, uh, we have the camel."

The captain said, "Well if it's good for morale, then I guess it's all right with me."

After he had been at the fort for about 6 months the captain could not stand it any more so he told his Sergeant, "BRING IN THE CAMEL!!!"

The sarge shrugged his shoulders and led the camel into the captain's quarters. The captain got a footstool and proceeded to have vigorous sex with the camel. As he stepped, satisfied, down from the stool, and was buttoning his pants he asked the Sergeant, "Is that how the enlisted men do it?"

The Sergeant replied, "Well sir, they usually just use it to ride to town and pick up women..."


Back in the eighties, when I was in the army, one guy used to tell that joke all the time. I think it was the only joke he knew.
 
2014-04-20 06:03:34 PM  
Wheeze Allah!
 
2014-04-20 06:43:11 PM  

Kevin72: MooseUpNorth: Someone want to translate for the terminally lazy?

Tất cả mọi người hoảng loạn


Thanks. Much clearer, now.
 
2014-04-20 06:46:36 PM  

T Baggins: MooseUpNorth: Someone want to translate for the terminally lazy?

 يسوع المسيح، فكرت جوجل ترجمة كان لكسول عضال.

/ عندما كنت طفلا كان عليك أن تذهب إلى المكتبة
/ / المطلوب الناس للترجمة، سيتطلب المزيد من الوقت من استخدام جوجل



Agent Smiths Laugh: Mister Peejay: Agent Smiths Laugh: MooseUpNorth: Someone want to translate for the terminally lazy?

Everybody panic.

Dude, you don't have to be a dick about it, he just wants to know what it means.

What?

I wasn't. It means everybody panic, you dolt.

Understand?


I've been laughing to tears for the past few minutes.
 
2014-04-20 06:47:45 PM  

greendanny8: MERS?

You know you've been playing too much Elder Scrolls when your first thought was Elves. *sigh*


At least it's not the bloody Thalmor again.
 
2014-04-20 06:56:45 PM  

MooseUpNorth: greendanny8: MERS?

You know you've been playing too much Elder Scrolls when your first thought was Elves. *sigh*

At least it's not the bloody Thalmor again.


You are but a dog, and I am your master!
 
2014-04-20 07:02:31 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: MooseUpNorth: Someone want to translate for the terminally lazy?

Everybody panic.


Naw it's fine. I mean it's not as if we're talking about a place that has a couple millions tourists from nearly every country in the world who are scheduled to pass through this October.
 
2014-04-20 07:03:40 PM  

Mytch: You are but a dog, and I am your master!


I'm the last thing they never see. Sometimes the last Thalmor runs away, but he only dies tired.
 
2014-04-20 07:07:46 PM  
"It's also why smallpox was so widespread and dangerous until the vaccine was developed, as people in western Europe and  the US frequently lived in the same building as their livestock into the middle of the 19th century."
Somewhat backwards. Vaccination was developed when it was realized that the people who handled cows and got cowpox were immune to smallpox.
 
2014-04-20 07:09:04 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Mytch: You are but a dog, and I am your master!

I'm the last thing they never see. Sometimes the last Thalmor runs away, but he only dies tired.


I don't think Bethesda could have possibly made them any more provocative.  They really threw some easy money away by cancelling the 'kill lots and lots of Thalmor' expansion pack.
 
2014-04-20 07:39:28 PM  

LaurenAguilera: Ah yes. Allow me to break out my Ramadan chair.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x240]


Worst chair ever.

Owner also likely to have futon.
 
2014-04-20 07:51:18 PM  

noitsnot: LaurenAguilera: Ah yes. Allow me to break out my Ramadan chair.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x240]

Worst chair ever.

Owner also likely to have futon.


Don't be hating on my Ramadan chair.

You can only sit on it after the sun has gone down.
 
2014-04-20 07:56:06 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Fallout Boy: gopher321: international and Saudi health authorities say the disease, which originated in camels, does not transmit easily between people and may simply die out.


o_O

FloridaFarkTag: Wonder if camels are used to mix and create medicines in Saudi?

Some believe using monkeys to create vaccines in Africa led to AIDS outbreak....wonder if MERS can be spread same via camels and medicine or anti-venom creation?

gopher: Respiratory viruses can sometimes cross species and infect humans, examples the swine and avian flu.

florida: Flus are typically spread through respiratory droplets, so I doubt that can happen.

But there still has to be some mutation along the way for MERS to begin affecting Humans....it has to be more than just droplet transmission


Mutations happen randomly all the time. Most of them do nothing or kill whatever organism contains the mutation. Pretty much anything can cause a mutation to appear including nothing.

Close contact with livestock greatly increases the chances of species jumping not because of humans monkeying around with livestock and causing mutations but because, well...

The odds of a disease that infects one animal mutating in a way that allows it to infect another animal is pretty small. If that mutation appears and the disease doesn't find its way into the new host, the mutation is more likely to make it less able to survive and the new strain dies out without infecting anyone. If, however, the new host comes into contact with practically every germ in the other animal because they sleep next to each other and the original host is notorious for spitting on everything, well, the chances of the newly mutated strain jumping species and taking root goes up dramatically.
 
2014-04-20 08:08:58 PM  

LydiaPreziosa: "It's also why smallpox was so widespread and dangerous until the vaccine was developed, as people in western Europe and  the US frequently lived in the same building as their livestock into the middle of the 19th century."
Somewhat backwards. Vaccination was developed when it was realized that the people who handled cows and got cowpox were immune to smallpox.


Yes, that's what I was thinking of.
 
2014-04-20 08:11:01 PM  
Ugh. They thought I had this and they kept me in isolation for a day. Annoying.
 
2014-04-20 08:34:46 PM  

SphericalTime: Ugh. They thought I had this and they kept me in isolation for a day. Annoying.


Sorry for annoying you by saving your life.
 
2014-04-20 08:45:52 PM  
Strangely enough, why havent people pointed out that this is all Allah's will?
Seriously!

The reason that 100s of thousands of muslims were killed killed in Iraq wasnt because of the war, but because Allah is great and an evil crazy fark.

/why do people only attribute GOOD things to their imaginary sky captains but blame BAD things on ... israelis and americans??
//lol
 
2014-04-20 09:03:08 PM  
Insh'Allah.
 
2014-04-20 09:22:18 PM  

ManifestDestiny: Dirty J1: Haha good. Lets hope it spreads to all the Middle East and just wipes out all them mud hut dwelling, dirt farming camel jockey bomb fetishists. Maybe I'm a little racist against them but what can I say? They've tried to kill me several times while i was over there trying to HELP them.

Well, aren't you just a class act.


The vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.  There are a lot of people in the US that figure "screw 'em".
 
2014-04-20 09:38:54 PM  
CIA, I'm looking at you.
 
2014-04-20 09:45:51 PM  
I've got a wicked repiratory infection, so I'm getting a kick
 
2014-04-20 10:09:58 PM  

gopher321: international and Saudi health authorities say the disease, which originated in camels, does not transmit easily between people and may simply die out.


o_O


No, I got it from a toilet seat.

(What, no sit-down toilets?)
 
2014-04-20 10:15:03 PM  

ManifestDestiny: Dirty J1: Haha good. Lets hope it spreads to all the Middle East and just wipes out all them mud hut dwelling, dirt farming camel jockey bomb fetishists. Maybe I'm a little racist against them but what can I say? They've tried to kill me several times while i was over there trying to HELP them.

Well, aren't you just a class act.


"Over-sexed, over-fed and over there."

Not obscure? Run Rabbit Run?
 
2014-04-20 10:17:50 PM  

dangelder: FatherDale: ManifestDestiny: Dirty J1: Haha good. Lets hope it spreads to all the Middle East and just wipes out all them mud hut dwelling, dirt farming camel jockey bomb fetishists. Maybe I'm a little racist against them but what can I say? They've tried to kill me several times while i was over there trying to HELP them.

Well, aren't you just a class act.

Yeah, sorry, but he isn't the only one who feels that way. The magical thinking, the instant butthurt over the smallest things, and the sheer "I hate you because you're not like me" just works your nerves after a while.

Wait, were we talking about Arabs or teabaggers?

DRILL HERE! DRILL NOW!


So that's how they got it from camels.
 
2014-04-20 10:21:07 PM  

dryknife: A Captain in the foreign legion was transferred to a desert outpost. On his orientation tour he noticed a very old, seedy looking camel tied out back of the enlisted men's barracks. He asked the Sergeant leading the tour, "What's the camel for?"

The Sergeant replied, "Well sir it's a long way from anywhere, and the men have natural sexual urges, so when they do, uh, we have the camel."

The captain said, "Well if it's good for morale, then I guess it's all right with me."

After he had been at the fort for about 6 months the captain could not stand it any more so he told his Sergeant, "BRING IN THE CAMEL!!!"

The sarge shrugged his shoulders and led the camel into the captain's quarters. The captain got a footstool and proceeded to have vigorous sex with the camel. As he stepped, satisfied, down from the stool, and was buttoning his pants he asked the Sergeant, "Is that how the enlisted men do it?"

The Sergeant replied, "Well sir, they usually just use it to ride to town and pick up women..."


The dinosaurs snickered at that one. Oldy-moldy.
 
2014-04-20 10:29:07 PM  
So...... it's mutated out of a camel virus but it does not easily spread between humans yet. I'd say we should start to panic.

It's already cleared one hump. Soon it'll be two humps. Or do ya think my idea does not hold water?.
 
2014-04-20 11:00:46 PM  
I'm based in Saudi right now.

My wife is a nurse.

Yes,  everybody is panicking.
 
2014-04-20 11:08:52 PM  
And ministry of health has just issued a leaflet urging citizens to 'constantly wash your hands with soup'.

Well, it passed the spelling checker so it must be right.
 
2014-04-20 11:52:25 PM  
A people stuck in the barbaric dark ages now get the plague to go with it. Fitting.

Surely not some sort of divine hint.
 
2014-04-21 12:01:29 AM  

namatad: Strangely enough, why havent people pointed out that this is all Allah's will?
Seriously!

The reason that 100s of thousands of muslims were killed killed in Iraq wasnt because of the war, but because Allah is great and an evil crazy fark.

/why do people only attribute GOOD things to their imaginary sky captains but blame BAD things on ... israelis and americans??
//lol


I would have run it in for the touchdown... but Jesus made me fumble!
 
2014-04-21 12:14:27 AM  

LaurenAguilera: noitsnot: LaurenAguilera: Ah yes. Allow me to break out my Ramadan chair.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x240]

Worst chair ever.

Owner also likely to have futon.

Don't be hating on my Ramadan chair.

You can only sit on it after the sun has gone down.


I don't get it. When you said Ramadan chair, I thought, indeed, can read Quran for hours in that thing. But I'm assuming that's not what you meant.

Noitsnot , though I've never owned that type of chair, a close friend had one, and I was always using it. It's a great chair to curl up in with a book and a blanket.
Heck, I think I've even SLEPT on it once or twice.

As for the headline, Subby, I never imagined the day would come when I see Arabic font in a headline. I was actually wondering if my phone had malfunctioned or something.

Fark never ceases to surprise me. Not as much as when Gorgor was here, but still...


/for the record, only clicked once, ONCE, on one of his/her links and that was because people's' reactions were even worse than usual. My retina still has burn spots.
//Subby, وظيفة جيدة
 
2014-04-21 07:13:24 AM  

noitsnot: LaurenAguilera: Ah yes. Allow me to break out my Ramadan chair.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x240]

Worst chair ever.

Owner also likely to have futon.


Seriously?

Do you have back issues or something?

I don't care for futons, but I farking love those chairs.  Wife doesn't, unfortunately, so we don't own one...house is pretty much full of furniture already.
 
2014-04-21 07:30:35 AM  

PunGent: noitsnot: LaurenAguilera: Ah yes. Allow me to break out my Ramadan chair.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x240]

Worst chair ever.

Owner also likely to have futon.

Seriously?

Do you have back issues or something?

I don't care for futons, but I farking love those chairs.  Wife doesn't, unfortunately, so we don't own one...house is pretty much full of furniture already.


Used to have one of those, got farked up during a move. If you angled it just right you could act as if it was the Emperor's throne.
 
2014-04-21 10:12:09 AM  

uttertosh: virii


BLAM!
 
2014-04-21 10:23:18 AM  

dangelder: SphericalTime: Ugh. They thought I had this and they kept me in isolation for a day. Annoying.

Sorry for annoying you by saving your life.


My life was never in danger. I'd traveled in France, not the Middle East, and the only reason they isolated me was because the first doctor to examine me had been reading too much about the recent cases and it was at the top of her mind.
 
2014-04-21 10:33:16 AM  
www.pbs.org

Seen this one already
 
2014-04-21 10:45:56 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: uttertosh: virii

BLAM!


huh?

Oh, the extra i. Right? Or, what? I need a bit more than just BLAM! on this one.
 
2014-04-21 10:46:44 AM  
Oh, it's viruses - BLAM!
 
2014-04-21 11:32:01 AM  

PunGent: noitsnot: LaurenAguilera: Ah yes. Allow me to break out my Ramadan chair.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x240]

Worst chair ever.

Owner also likely to have futon.

Seriously?

Do you have back issues or something?

I don't care for futons, but I farking love those chairs.  Wife doesn't, unfortunately, so we don't own one...house is pretty much full of furniture already.



Shocking that everyone's house isn't filled with them, then, since they cost about sixty-five cents at Cost Plus.

Just like futons, they have always been beloved by the "right out of college" crowd - because you don't know any better yet.
 
2014-04-21 03:15:10 PM  
M-O-O-N spells Tom Cullen!
 
2014-04-21 04:24:06 PM  

Bslim: PunGent: noitsnot: LaurenAguilera: Ah yes. Allow me to break out my Ramadan chair.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x240]

Worst chair ever.

Owner also likely to have futon.

Seriously?

Do you have back issues or something?

I don't care for futons, but I farking love those chairs.  Wife doesn't, unfortunately, so we don't own one...house is pretty much full of furniture already.

Used to have one of those, got farked up during a move. If you angled it just right you could act as if it was the Emperor's throne.


Plus if you flip the seating part over, they're pretty good for tying up petite partners.

/or so I'm told
 
2014-04-21 04:26:47 PM  

noitsnot: PunGent: noitsnot: LaurenAguilera: Ah yes. Allow me to break out my Ramadan chair.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 240x240]

Worst chair ever.

Owner also likely to have futon.

Seriously?

Do you have back issues or something?

I don't care for futons, but I farking love those chairs.  Wife doesn't, unfortunately, so we don't own one...house is pretty much full of furniture already.


Shocking that everyone's house isn't filled with them, then, since they cost about sixty-five cents at Cost Plus.

Just like futons, they have always been beloved by the "right out of college" crowd - because you don't know any better yet.


What is it?  Do you not like the comfort, or the styling, or what?

I'll be the first to admit they ain't exactly classy...it just seems your reaction is a bit over the top.

It's just a chair.
 
2014-04-21 09:53:14 PM  
blog.palmpartners.com

www.themarysue.com

cdn.arwrath.com

Conan has the cure for this camel-born disease!

assets1.ignimgs.com

PS, camels are dumb and stinky!
 
2014-04-21 10:15:48 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Wonder if camels are used to mix and create medicines in Saudi?

Some believe using monkeys to create vaccines in Africa led to AIDS outbreak....wonder if MERS can be spread same via camels and medicine or anti-venom creation?


Dunno on that one, but they do eat them over there. I was watching a thing on No Reservations where they were eating it. Looks pretty disgusting to say the least, that and eating lizard meat.
 
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