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2014-04-20 03:13:42 PM  
I like this pope, so does my dad and grandparents, and they're catholic.  I'm not religious but he seems much better than I expected.
 
2014-04-20 03:15:43 PM  
I dunno subby, seems to me that that there Popemobile could hold a lot of change too.
 
2014-04-20 03:16:27 PM  
And when he went to Mount Olive, Popeye shot him.
 
2014-04-20 03:23:21 PM  
I dunno, I disagree with the Priest FTFA: I think the style is important as well. Telling your constituents to get involved in governmental things with your beliefs, shoving it down other people's throats and the like and naysaying a buncha stuff that people don't agree with is a bit different from t his guy's message of "Don't be a dick".

Yes the message is the same, but the tone and delivery are exceedingly different.

Yes they're still against women in positions of power, gays going to heaven and the like but the thing Frankie P seems to be focusing on, in true Jesuit fashion, is to help one another and try to be decent.

The part where that New York Diocese said "Pope Francis says we're talking to much about homosexuality and abortion, you can't talk too much about that" and then is relieved of his position is a bit of a change.
 
2014-04-20 03:24:13 PM  
the vatican is stuffed with entrenched bureaucrats who weather whatever changes each pope tries to make

francis seems to walk the walk better than most, but his chances of making any substantive changes to those structures are minimal, even with his little council of outsiders advising him

/raised catholic
//not spiritual
 
2014-04-20 03:24:45 PM  
why don't CBS news articles display? can see cbs.com and their link to the pope story but not the story. with or without as block. this has been going on for a few months now.
 
2014-04-20 03:27:57 PM  
Do those robes even have pockets?  What about the undergarments?
 
2014-04-20 03:40:00 PM  

worlddan: I dunno subby, seems to me that that there Popemobile could hold a lot of change too.


Not as much as it used too, now that Francis has taken the bullet proof glass off of them.

Also, FTFA: "Francis knows very well is that he can win worldwide only if he wins in Rome," said Franco. "If he doesn't win in Rome, then he cannot win worldwide."

Bullshiat. He can (and hopefully will) deal with reticence in the Vatican the same way any populist - including JC himself - did or does. He just does his thing and pushes his followers along the road to reform until they're so far down that path and he has so many supports his stance becomes the default one that all good Catholics should take, and the old power structure and beliefs are no longer seen as relevant.

Also, he's the friggin pope. You know, divinely inspired choice of God that leads His institution here on earth. He can do anything he wants to do with regards to the Vatican power structure and no one can say boo to him about it. If he wants to prune the cardinals of their more reactionary members, he can do that. Sure, he'll get pushback, but He's the pope,

This has been amply demonstrated in the past, when popes suddenly did a 180 on church doctrine and changed the traditions of the church, or took politically unpopular stances. Or, for that matter, when former popes turned the Vatican into whorehouses.

/not a catholic
//do follow church politics from time to time because fascinating
 
2014-04-20 03:51:18 PM  

12349876: Do those robes even have pockets?  What about the undergarments?


media.salon.com
Why do you think the hat is so big? Duh, it's a big wallet.
 
2014-04-20 03:59:06 PM  
With Francis' rock star status it is going to be much harder for abused boys to get justice because it will make Francis look bad.  The Catholic clergy must be doing cartwheels over him.
 
2014-04-20 03:59:36 PM  
All the change that Obama left behind in his other pants...
 
2014-04-20 04:12:24 PM  

mikewadestr: With Francis' rock star status it is going to be much harder for abused boys to get justice because it will make Francis look bad.  The Catholic clergy must be doing cartwheels over him.


That's some mighty fine assumin' there, Lou.
 
2014-04-20 04:44:57 PM  

12349876: Do those robes even have pockets?  What about the undergarments?


Many versions of the cassock (the black - or red/violet, for cardinals, not sure which color Popes use - layer under the white layer under the fancy layer) do have smallish pockets along the side seams, as would whatever pants he picks to wear underneath that. The alb (white layer) and chasuble (fancy layer) and cope (big fancy half-circle cape worn at certain times over the rest of the stuff) do not.

Of course, if you're the Pope, and you tell them to put a pocket in, they put a pocket in. The alb and cassock may or not be mail-order, as they're pretty standardized - he absolutely COULD get custom ones, but this Pope might well insist on not doing so. But any chasuble or cope used by the Pope is undoubtedly custom-made... most high-ceremony churches' and nearly all cathedrals' are, and the Vatican's are an order of magnitude fancier.

/worked for a guy who made high-end vestments for several years - not for the Pope himself, but for many churches and some cathedrals
 
2014-04-20 04:56:30 PM  

ornithopter: Of course, if you're the Pope, and you tell them to put a pocket in, they put a pocket in. The alb and cassock may or not be mail-order, as they're pretty standardized - he absolutely COULD get custom ones, but this Pope might well insist on not doing so. But any chasuble or cope used by the Pope is undoubtedly custom-made... most high-ceremony churches' and nearly all cathedrals' are, and the Vatican's are an order of magnitude fancier.

/worked for a guy who made high-end vestments for several years - not for the Pope himself, but for many churches and some cathedrals


The Pope's vestments are all custom-made by an ecclesiastical tailor located near the Pantheon.  They've been making them since the early 1700s.

The only time anything isn't custom-made for the Pope is during the conclave: the tailor sends over vestments in several sizes, as no one actually knows who's going to end up on the balcony in St Peter's Square and the doors are sealed until just before the announcement is made.
 
2014-04-20 05:26:35 PM  
First 3 1/2 years are scheduled to be good
 
2014-04-20 05:30:42 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: the vatican is stuffed with entrenched bureaucrats who weather whatever changes each pope tries to make



It's what makes the Vatican so much fun, as the Pope is an absolute monarch and the only power the Curia have against him is all the secrets they've learned in decades being there.  JPII apparently let thinks run fast and loose the last decade of his live, and the fact that everything was completely out of his control is some of the main reasons Benedict stepped down.

Every one keeps calling Francis a "rock star" or and "everyman" but the press is missing out on the real story: the replacement of key figures in the Curia (most importantly the head of the Vatican Bank) which will eventually not only bring things back under control but which may eventually lead to a radically changed Vatican.

One of the reasons the Jesuits are much disliked by the other religious orders is they like to shake things up and don't take "Because we've always done it that way" as an acceptable answer
 
2014-04-20 06:52:33 PM  
Baby steps....
 
2014-04-20 07:25:24 PM  
He's the Pope... it's a magical, bottomless pocket.
 
2014-04-20 11:18:04 PM  
Pope Francis is Buddy Jesus.
 
2014-04-20 11:19:02 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: One of the reasons the Jesuits are much disliked by the other religious orders is they like to shake things up and don't take "Because we've always done it that way" as an acceptable answer



Ladies and gentlemen, this here is irony.  To the MAX.

The Jesuits are disliked by everyone because they use any means necessary to convert populations to hardline roman catholic.  They are the poster child of "Keep doing the way we've always done it".  They spear-headed the counter-reformation.

What you see now with the pope is a PR campaign.  Behind the scenes he's secretly planning how to convert the entire world to catholicism.
 
2014-04-20 11:36:44 PM  

nickerj1: Dwight_Yeast: One of the reasons the Jesuits are much disliked by the other religious orders is they like to shake things up and don't take "Because we've always done it that way" as an acceptable answer


Ladies and gentlemen, this here is irony.  To the MAX.

The Jesuits are disliked by everyone because they use any means necessary to convert populations to hardline roman catholic.  They are the poster child of "Keep doing the way we've always done it".  They spear-headed the counter-reformation.

What you see now with the pope is a PR campaign.  Behind the scenes he's secretly planning how to convert the entire world to catholicism.


O.o "secretly"? Dude, he's the Pope, everyone KNOWS he wants the entire world to become Catholic.
 
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