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(PennLive)   Lawsuit: "They're mean to me; give me $6 million"   (pennlive.com) divider line 27
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2014-04-20 12:03:05 PM  
Yeah, stupid kid. Welcome to the real world. Grow a pair and...

*clicks link*

Holy crap. A farking school superintendant? Against the Board she works for?

Absolute power trip.
 
2014-04-20 12:14:30 PM  
There are lots of horrible people working in PA public schools.  This sounds about par for the course.
 
2014-04-20 12:30:20 PM  
That's not how you draft a list of complaints, THIS is how you draft a list of complaints:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-20 12:40:54 PM  
Speaking as a Director who works under a Board -
I would welcome members of the public at our Board Meetings.  I love it when my Board members stop by, so they can see first-hand the great stuff my staff have come up with and what a good job we do.  My Board trust me, so I can hire folks without their approval (that's strictly operational anyway) - but you better believe I tell them in advance.  It's only polite.

Every one of those things tells me that they can't trust her to do her job.  Boards don't get that involved unless there's a HUGE problem - they don't really have the time.  If they are talking to staff about her, reviewing all hires, and reaching out to the community to try to mollify them about the School District bringing down property values, then they should have fired her long ago.  The only thing this Board is guilty of is letting it get this far.
 
2014-04-20 02:41:26 PM  

bighairyguy: That's not how you draft a list of complaints, THIS is how you draft a list of complaints:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1008]


Oh come on, how is a school superintendent supposed to know cursive?
 
2014-04-20 02:55:19 PM  
Man if that worked I'd be richer than the Koch brothers combined by now.
 
2014-04-20 03:01:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Speaking as a Director who works under a Board -
I would welcome members of the public at our Board Meetings.  I love it when my Board members stop by, so they can see first-hand the great stuff my staff have come up with and what a good job we do.  My Board trust me, so I can hire folks without their approval (that's strictly operational anyway) - but you better believe I tell them in advance.  It's only polite.

Every one of those things tells me that they can't trust her to do her job.  Boards don't get that involved unless there's a HUGE problem - they don't really have the time.  If they are talking to staff about her, reviewing all hires, and reaching out to the community to try to mollify them about the School District bringing down property values, then they should have fired her long ago.  The only thing this Board is guilty of is letting it get this far.


Yeah, but it sounds like you might be actually competent. So you're really comparing apples and oranges here.
 
2014-04-20 03:19:14 PM  
I knew our schoolchildren were suffering from Precious Little Snowflake Syndrome, but I had no idea it's worked its way up the food chain to school superintendents. Yikes! We've got a long road ahead of us.
 
2014-04-20 03:25:04 PM  

Arkanaut: Benevolent Misanthrope: Speaking as a Director who works under a Board -
I would welcome members of the public at our Board Meetings.  I love it when my Board members stop by, so they can see first-hand the great stuff my staff have come up with and what a good job we do.  My Board trust me, so I can hire folks without their approval (that's strictly operational anyway) - but you better believe I tell them in advance.  It's only polite.

Every one of those things tells me that they can't trust her to do her job.  Boards don't get that involved unless there's a HUGE problem - they don't really have the time.  If they are talking to staff about her, reviewing all hires, and reaching out to the community to try to mollify them about the School District bringing down property values, then they should have fired her long ago.  The only thing this Board is guilty of is letting it get this far.

Yeah, but it sounds like you might be actually competent. So you're really comparing apples and oranges here.


Yeah, there is that.
 
2014-04-20 03:28:27 PM  
I have no idea who this person is but does someone have a non-derpified link apart from this editorial?
 
2014-04-20 03:29:05 PM  
It all depends on what her contract said
 
2014-04-20 03:33:52 PM  
Well, she has  some claim to damages, it seems pretty clear from the list of complaints that the board is being hostile and actively preventing her from doing her job in an effort to force her resignation (I assume they can't fire her because she's elected).

That's not really a 6m$ complaint, though.  Should be more like "yes, I'll resign, but only in exchange for the severance I'd get if I were retiring/fired instead" which is typically something like a few months' to a year's pay and payouts from the retirement plan once she hits her 60s, depending on the state.
 
2014-04-20 04:16:34 PM  

Lost Thought 00: It all depends on what her contract said


No one can criticize her, and I suspect there is also a clause forcing everyone to call her "doctor" because she has a phd in elementary education.
 
2014-04-20 04:33:53 PM  
Why do I suspect this is political and there is more to the story than the editorial let's on?
 
2014-04-20 04:50:44 PM  

cashman: I knew our schoolchildren were suffering from Precious Little Snowflake Syndrome, but I had no idea it's worked its way up the food chain to school superintendents. Yikes! We've got a long road ahead of us.


What your describing has ALWAYS been a thing. People just shine the light much brighter on kids and nobody's had as much a platform to air their entitlement before the advent of internet social media.

/tastes like run-on!
 
2014-04-20 04:59:35 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Well, she has  some claim to damages, it seems pretty clear from the list of complaints that the board is being hostile and actively preventing her from doing her job in an effort to force her resignation (I assume they can't fire her because she's elected).

That's not really a 6m$ complaint, though.  Should be more like "yes, I'll resign, but only in exchange for the severance I'd get if I were retiring/fired instead" which is typically something like a few months' to a year's pay and payouts from the retirement plan once she hits her 60s, depending on the state.


Are superintendents in PA usually elected?
 
2014-04-20 05:17:24 PM  

Moopy Mac: Jim_Callahan: Well, she has  some claim to damages, it seems pretty clear from the list of complaints that the board is being hostile and actively preventing her from doing her job in an effort to force her resignation (I assume they can't fire her because she's elected).

That's not really a 6m$ complaint, though.  Should be more like "yes, I'll resign, but only in exchange for the severance I'd get if I were retiring/fired instead" which is typically something like a few months' to a year's pay and payouts from the retirement plan once she hits her 60s, depending on the state.

Are superintendents in PA usually elected?


No.  Board Members are.  Superintendents are hired by and answerable to the Board.

She has no case.  If the Board are this involved, they have reason to think they should be.  She's obviously incompetent, and they are trying to figure out WTF is going on.
 
2014-04-20 07:26:26 PM  
What this seems like is your normal "liberal superintendent" vs "conservative board".

You, as a person who is supposed to be able to get things done, will grow very weary of waiting one or two months to hire a secretary or curriculum director. Meanwhile the stuff they were supposed to do gets dumped on your short staff anyway while you pander to the board.

This lawsuit is just her way of saying "f you" to those guys who made her life miserable. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
 
2014-04-20 08:47:58 PM  
Sounds like people on that board don't know the difference between governance and management.
 
2014-04-20 10:29:23 PM  

cashman: I knew our schoolchildren were suffering from Precious Little Snowflake Syndrome, but I had no idea it's worked its way up the food chain to school superintendents. Yikes! We've got a long road ahead of us.


Where did you think it came from in the first place?
 
2014-04-21 12:58:13 AM  
Small town politics are the most hilarious politics.

Seriously, wtf, lol.
 
2014-04-21 01:01:43 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Moopy Mac:
Are superintendents in PA usually elected?

No.  Board Members are.


So... why was the board member signing a petition calling for the woman's resignation instead of just putting a motion to fire her on the agenda?

I mean, admittedly in my personal experience school board members are quite literally the dumbest farkers on the planet, I've never met a single one I didn't suspect suffered from a congential mental defect, but... still, even actual retards should be able to figure out that they don't need to abuse populism when they can just straight-up fire someone directly.

// This is not a colloquial use of "literal" I mean it in its actual dictionary sense.  Every single school board member I've met, without exception, has showed clear evidence of having an IQ under 70.
 
2014-04-21 01:37:24 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Speaking as a Director who works under a Board -
I would welcome members of the public at our Board Meetings.  I love it when my Board members stop by, so they can see first-hand the great stuff my staff have come up with and what a good job we do.  My Board trust me, so I can hire folks without their approval (that's strictly operational anyway) - but you better believe I tell them in advance.  It's only polite.

Every one of those things tells me that they can't trust her to do her job.  Boards don't get that involved unless there's a HUGE problem - they don't really have the time.  If they are talking to staff about her, reviewing all hires, and reaching out to the community to try to mollify them about the School District bringing down property values, then they should have fired her long ago.  The only thing this Board is guilty of is letting it get this far.


Speaking as a board member:

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-21 03:30:50 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Benevolent Misanthrope: Moopy Mac:
Are superintendents in PA usually elected?

No.  Board Members are.

So... why was the board member signing a petition calling for the woman's resignation instead of just putting a motion to fire her on the agenda?

I mean, admittedly in my personal experience school board members are quite literally the dumbest farkers on the planet, I've never met a single one I didn't suspect suffered from a congential mental defect, but... still, even actual retards should be able to figure out that they don't need to abuse populism when they can just straight-up fire someone directly.

// This is not a colloquial use of "literal" I mean it in its actual dictionary sense.  Every single school board member I've met, without exception, has showed clear evidence of having an IQ under 70.


Because they don't want the six-year hassle of due process hearings?
 
2014-04-21 07:18:38 AM  

bighairyguy: That's not how you draft a list of complaints, THIS is how you draft a list of complaints:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1008]


Yeah, but they scratched "waging cruel war".
 
2014-04-21 07:21:21 AM  

Fart_Machine: I have no idea who this person is but does someone have a non-derpified link apart from this editorial?


Wut?
 
2014-04-21 12:09:38 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Benevolent Misanthrope: Moopy Mac:
Are superintendents in PA usually elected?

No.  Board Members are.

So... why was the board member signing a petition calling for the woman's resignation instead of just putting a motion to fire her on the agenda?

I mean, admittedly in my personal experience school board members are quite literally the dumbest farkers on the planet, I've never met a single one I didn't suspect suffered from a congential mental defect, but... still, even actual retards should be able to figure out that they don't need to abuse populism when they can just straight-up fire someone directly.


You'd be surprised.  The Board Member probably justified it to herself that she was signing as a citizen, not as a Board Member.  She has every legal right to do that, but it doesn't look good at all.  She also may have been agitating for the firing for a long time, and did it to get things moving... but who knows.

// This is not a colloquial use of "literal" I mean it in its actual dictionary sense.  Every single school board member I've met, without exception, has showed clear evidence of having an IQ under 70.

I'm sorry to hear that.  I haven't had that experience at all.  I don't report to a School Board, but the School Board folks I know are generally no more or less intelligent than the general populace.  (Not a ringing endorsement, I know.)  My own Board, blessedly, are all of at least above average intelligence, and several of them are really top-notch.
 
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