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(STLToday)   MoDOT will not be vaporizing speeders with 153 dB sonic blasts. At least not this year   (stltoday.com) divider line 55
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2014-04-20 10:16:19 AM
If I get blasted by an LRAD because I'm going 3 over in a work zone that traditionally will have no workers then I'm going to run over somebody just on principle.
 
2014-04-20 12:28:15 PM

Voiceofreason01: If I get blasted by an LRAD because I'm going 3 over in a work zone that traditionally will have no workers then I'm going to run over somebody just on principle.


I'm OK with that.
 
2014-04-20 12:28:15 PM
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2014-04-20 12:30:56 PM
Alright, where's all the people that were biatching about 153 being enough to deafen you?
 
2014-04-20 12:34:14 PM
people who speed in work zones should really have their licenses revoked
 
2014-04-20 12:36:02 PM
"Sound cannons a tone-deaf approach..."

What do Ice Cold and Tasty-Taste think?
 
2014-04-20 12:36:45 PM

zarker: Alright, where's all the people that were biatching about 153 being enough to deafen you?


WHAT?
 
2014-04-20 12:37:00 PM
Look, I KNOW it's a work zone. I just don't care enough to slow down to the ridiculously low speed limit that you refuse to get rid of even when no one's working there. If I see guys working, I'll slow down.
 
2014-04-20 12:41:24 PM

LazyMedia: Look, I KNOW it's a work zone. I just don't care enough to slow down to the ridiculously low speed limit that you refuse to get rid of even when no one's working there. If I see guys working, I'll slow down.


Yeah what happens when someone pops out of a manhole and smacks his face in your bumper?
/I know that wouldn't happen
//it won't kill you to be cautious
 
2014-04-20 12:41:33 PM
"There was some misinformation on the Internet," said MoDOT spokeswoman Holly Dentner. "People assumed we would be using them at military-grade levels."

No. Just at "annoying as hell" levels.
 
2014-04-20 12:41:38 PM
You'll note that they've only postponed the plan simply because they couldn't get their hands on the sound cannons in time for the striping season.

Is speeding in work zones an epidemic problem? Are highway workers being killed so often that the roads are stained with blood? Or is this merely a blunt-force solution and fun money-grab solution to a problem that doesn't exist?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't slow down in work zones, but I wonder if this "problem"--like red light running--isn't grossly over-blown on behalf of the folks selling the "solution."
 
2014-04-20 12:42:52 PM

charlesmartel11235: people who speed in work zones should really have their licenses revoked

are always awesome drivers with formula one reflexes and telepathic senses that allow them to see through obstacles and around curves.  They also only drive cars that are professionally tuned and use dark matter thrust converter technology that allows them to stay on the road no matter what the weather and pavement conditions are as well as inertia damping brakes that can stop immediately when their drivers' aforementioned formula one reflexes tell them to. Everybody who reads Fark knows that.
 
2014-04-20 12:43:05 PM
I've actually seen the speed limit drop to 25 in a construction zone on the freeway.  With no one working.  It was crazy.
 
2014-04-20 12:47:26 PM

oukewldave: I've actually seen the speed limit drop to 25 in a construction zone on the freeway.  With no one working.  It was crazy.


I'm pretty sure construction zones are always 25. Is it somehow safer to be surrounded by speeding cars when there's more of them?
 
2014-04-20 12:48:44 PM
At the 78 to 60 range, I don't see a problem.
 
2014-04-20 12:50:41 PM
I think they need to remember that this is Missouri, and that inevitably, someone's going to get tired of annoying noises and shoot one of those LRAD devices.

If I'm on the jury, I'm not voting to convict.
 
2014-04-20 12:53:04 PM
So, their plan for collective corporal punishment is delayed because they can't buy them yet?

Well, there's that.
 
2014-04-20 12:53:46 PM

The Flexecutioner: [l.wigflip.com image 515x680]


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Didn't hire the right guy, apparently.
 
2014-04-20 12:57:40 PM

Just in case, though...

In case of Sonic Attack on your district, follow these rules:

If you are making love it is imperative to bring all bodies to orgasm simultaneously.
Do not waste time blocking your ears.
Do not waste time seeking a "sound proofed" shelter.
Try to get as far away from the sonic source as possible
Do not panic
Do not panic

Use your wheels. It is what they are for.
Small babies may be placed inside the special cocoons
and should be left, if possible, in shelters.
Do not attempt to use your own limbs.
If no wheels are available - metal - not organic -
limbs should be employed whenever practical.

Remember:
In the case of sonic attack survival means
"Every man for himself"
Statistically more people survive if they think
only of themselves
Do not attempt to rescue friends, relatives, loved ones
You have only a few seconds to escape
Use those seconds sensibly or you will inevitably die
Think only of yourself
Think only of yourself
Do not panic
Think only of yourself
Think only of yourself

These are the first signs of sonic attack:
You will notice small objects - such as ornaments - oscillating
You will notice vibrations in your diaphragm
You will hear a distand hissing in your ears
You will feel the need to vomit
You will feel dizzy
You will have difficulty focussing
You will need to breathe more rapidly
There will be bleeding from orifices
There will be an ache in the pelvic region
You may be subject to fits of hysterical shouting or even laughter

These are all sign of imminent sonic destruction
Your only protection is flight
If you are less than ten years old
Remain in your shelter and use your cocoon
Remember - you can help no one else
You can help no one else
You can help no one else
Do not panic
Think only of yourself
Think only of yourself
Think only of yourself

Think only of yourself

Think only of yourself

Think only of yourself

 
2014-04-20 12:58:47 PM
Darn, now I have to detach all of those parabolic reflectors I mounted on my car for vacations to MO to reflect the sound back at the operator.
 
2014-04-20 01:05:55 PM
vaporizing speeders with 153 dB sonic blasts

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??

 
2014-04-20 01:07:08 PM

buckler: Just in case, though...In case of Sonic Attack


Of course Lemmy would be involved.
 
2014-04-20 01:10:22 PM
www.fightersgeneration.com
Disappointed.
 
2014-04-20 01:11:04 PM

zarker: LazyMedia: Look, I KNOW it's a work zone. I just don't care enough to slow down to the ridiculously low speed limit that you refuse to get rid of even when no one's working there. If I see guys working, I'll slow down.

Yeah what happens when someone pops out of a manhole and smacks his face in your bumper?
/I know that wouldn't happen
//it won't kill you to be cautious


There are manholes on the Interstate? I'm reasonably cautious, but I'm not going 45 when all the paving trucks are parked and unattended.
 
2014-04-20 01:12:50 PM

zarker: oukewldave: I've actually seen the speed limit drop to 25 in a construction zone on the freeway.  With no one working.  It was crazy.

I'm pretty sure construction zones are always 25. Is it somehow safer to be surrounded by speeding cars when there's more of them?


In Florida construction zones are usually 55 or 60 on the interstates.  Ive seen them as low as 35 if there is a major project going on.  Where do you live where they are 25 mph?
 
2014-04-20 01:13:28 PM
std3.ru
maybe once they get all the upgrades they can start using them.
 
2014-04-20 01:14:22 PM

zarker: oukewldave: I've actually seen the speed limit drop to 25 in a construction zone on the freeway.  With no one working.  It was crazy.

I'm pretty sure construction zones are always 25. Is it somehow safer to be surrounded by speeding cars when there's more of them?


I think we're talking about two entirely different types of construction. Where I live, they close off a lane of traffic on the expressway when they're paving or widening or whatever, and drop the speed limit from 70 to 45.
 
2014-04-20 01:25:07 PM

LazyMedia: zarker: oukewldave: I've actually seen the speed limit drop to 25 in a construction zone on the freeway.  With no one working.  It was crazy.

I'm pretty sure construction zones are always 25. Is it somehow safer to be surrounded by speeding cars when there's more of them?

I think we're talking about two entirely different types of construction. Where I live, they close off a lane of traffic on the expressway when they're paving or widening or whatever, and drop the speed limit from 70 to 45.


Where I live they have those big lit up signs warning months ahead of time there will be construction on the roads, and they only work at night, so I've never even come across them on the freeway when theyre enforcing a slower limit.
 
2014-04-20 01:29:27 PM

shtychkn: At the 78 to 60 range, I don't see a problem.


FTFA audible alarm measuring about 60 decibels at 600 feet. A message encouraging drivers to slow down would reach about 78 decibels

So, what if you are closer?
 
2014-04-20 01:31:58 PM

chitownmike: shtychkn: At the 78 to 60 range, I don't see a problem.

FTFA audible alarm measuring about 60 decibels at 600 feet. A message encouraging drivers to slow down would reach about 78 decibels

So, what if you are closer?


Assuming the emitter is elevated, you'd duck under the sound path as you approached.
 
2014-04-20 01:37:20 PM

buckler: chitownmike: shtychkn: At the 78 to 60 range, I don't see a problem.

FTFA audible alarm measuring about 60 decibels at 600 feet. A message encouraging drivers to slow down would reach about 78 decibels

So, what if you are closer?

Assuming the emitter is elevated, you'd duck under the sound path as you approached.


possibly but I don't have a lot of confidence in these being well calibrated
 
2014-04-20 01:54:01 PM

LOUD NOISES!!!



Oh, wait....
 
2014-04-20 01:55:41 PM

zarker: oukewldave: I've actually seen the speed limit drop to 25 in a construction zone on the freeway.  With no one working.  It was crazy.

I'm pretty sure construction zones are always 25.

Not always. There's a widening project underway on US 101 in the Palo Alto, CA, area, and the speed limit is 55 vs. the usual 65.

Unless there's a large open hole in the road, I rarely see freeway construction zones below 45 or so.
 
2014-04-20 02:04:47 PM

oukewldave: I've actually seen the speed limit drop to 25 in a construction zone on the freeway.  With no one working.  It was crazy.


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2014-04-20 02:28:16 PM
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Well, that escalated quickly.
 
2014-04-20 03:10:49 PM
A guy who used to complain about their laser speed cameras and their risks to the eye sight of motorist was one of the leading laser eye surgeons and he ran for governor as well. Too bad he didn't win.
 
2014-04-20 03:37:10 PM
Wonder how many people are going to have to DIE before this great government safety measure is shelved.  Hell, they are still using red light cameras which have been proven to CAUSE accidents so this should be fun.
 
2014-04-20 03:41:50 PM
Speed limits have ZERO to do with safety and everything to do with shaking down the public for cash.  take the lmiit signs away and you find that people tend to drive what they feel comfortable with, which these days is actually SLOWER than the safe speeds of current generation automobiles, thanks to improvements in steering, breaks, etc.

Bottom line, cars are as safe as they can get without being built on a tubular frame. And from the looks of things the industry will NEVER do that.
 
2014-04-20 04:02:29 PM

wildcardjack: Well, that escalated quickly.


Yeah, I ain't driving there!
 
2014-04-20 04:14:39 PM
They can do whatever. I'm normally driving at near the speed of light and slow down to just supersonic the ought work zones for safety.
 
2014-04-20 04:22:29 PM

macross87: wildcardjack: Well, that escalated quickly.

Yeah, I ain't driving there!


You also aren't driving in 1928.
 
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2014-04-20 04:28:04 PM

Jarhead_h: Speed limits have ZERO to do with safety and everything to do with shaking down the public for cash.


Sounds like Big Traffic has you riled up.
 
2014-04-20 04:32:57 PM

wildcardjack: macross87: wildcardjack: Well, that escalated quickly.

Yeah, I ain't driving there!

You also aren't driving in 1928.


That depends on a few things....
 
2014-04-20 05:50:48 PM
I would just end up driving faster to get away from the noise
 
2014-04-20 06:26:19 PM

JerkStore: You'll note that they've only postponed the plan simply because they couldn't get their hands on the sound cannons in time for the striping season.

Is speeding in work zones an epidemic problem? Are highway workers being killed so often that the roads are stained with blood? Or is this merely a blunt-force solution and fun money-grab solution to a problem that doesn't exist?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't slow down in work zones, but I wonder if this "problem"--like red light running--isn't grossly over-blown on behalf of the folks selling the "solution."


Well, keep in mind that many states are finding ways to enforce the speed limits without using gimmicks like this. A lot of places have double fines for offenses in construction zones... I don't think anyone is "selling" a solution.

Hell, we had a year or two back around 2002 where cops were getting hit left and right in AZ because all of those goddamm flashing lights just weren't enough. I'm sure there have been some issues with construction zones, too.
 
2014-04-20 07:32:12 PM

oukewldave: I've actually seen the speed limit drop to 25 in a construction zone on the freeway.  With no one working.  It was crazy.


we have that. been up for at least 6 months. no one has worked on it for at least 4. jobs long done. after they cleared out the workers and the construction equipment, they left only the 'fines doubled' signs up, and a single line of traffic cones down the middle of the grass highway median, spaced every 100 yards or so. revenue is my guess.
 
2014-04-20 09:35:23 PM

Jarhead_h: Speed limits have ZERO to do with safety and everything to do with shaking down the public for cash.  take the lmiit signs away and you find that people tend to drive what they feel comfortable with, which these days is actually SLOWER than the safe speeds of current generation automobiles, thanks to improvements in steering, breaks, etc.

Bottom line, cars are as safe as they can get without being built on a tubular frame. And from the looks of things the industry will NEVER do that.


Work zone speed limits are about protecting the construction workers. I used to work for MoDOT, and currently do consulting engineering for them. In general, work zone speed limits should be set no lower than 10 MPH lower than the regular posted speed limits - exceptions to this being where convoluted lane shifts or other squirrely circumstances require a lower temporary design speed.

There are a couple of major problems in works zones: 1. Signage and devices being left in place when workers and activities are no longer present - which in turn breed contempt for them, and 2. Self absorbed a-holes who regularly speed elsewhere, and consider active work zones to be an unwanted inconvenience to their daily commute causing them to slow down to 45-55 MPH (if congestion warrants it) where they usually drive/speed at 75-80 MPH. Add to this mess the uber-self-absorbed a-hole texting while driving through a work zone, and the loser-trifecta comes into play. IMHO, these clowns can't pay enough in fines.

Think work zones suck? Try one from the perspective of a worker trying to do his job in the midst of all these self-absorbed idiots doing everything possible to get where they're going without being delayed. These workers have wives and children, and would love to be able to go home to them at night when their shift is over. Slow down, and don't hesitate to report bogus traffic control zones (i.e.: no workers present) when you experience them. Most DOT's strive to minimize these so driver expectations are met.
 
2014-04-20 10:24:51 PM

LazyMedia: Look, I KNOW it's a work zone. I just don't care enough to slow down to the ridiculously low speed limit that you refuse to get rid of even when no one's working there. If I see guys working, I'll slow down.


I'll settle for not having the work area start 17 miles before the 50 feet of construction
 
2014-04-21 01:37:28 AM
It's OK, truckers and barely competent drivers who shouldn't be on the road anyway will always bring traffic to a standstill at every construction zone that merges to one lane, anyway, no matter what the road work speed limit sign says. When you finally get around them at the end and see a mile of empty roadway ahead of them, the urge to violence is intense.

tillerman35: charlesmartel11235: people who speed in work zones should really have their licenses revoked are always awesome drivers with formula one reflexes and telepathic senses that allow them to see through obstacles and around curves.  They also only drive cars that are professionally tuned and use dark matter thrust converter technology that allows them to stay on the road no matter what the weather and pavement conditions are as well as inertia damping brakes that can stop immediately when their drivers' aforementioned formula one reflexes tell them to. Everybody who reads Fark knows that.


The dumbest argument against anything is conflating the worst possible example of a class with every member of the class. About the only thing you forgot in that wonderful rant was "think of the children!"

/There's a world of difference between driving a reasonably well maintained car at 75-100 on straight flat uncongested roads while reasonably well-rested, and weaving through traffic in a rust-bucket on curvy hills at 130 while half-asleep and texting, but of course every speeder is the latter.
//The fact that some 60% of traffic speeds without thousands of deaths a day sure bolsters your argument!
///You honestly sound like a scary driver who has to rely on reflexes to wake you up instead of adapting to traffic conditions.
 
2014-04-21 11:08:00 AM
The stupid slow speed limits in most work zones aren't to protect the workers but to keep the wrecks that will happen from killing too many idiot drivers.
 
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