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(NYPost)   Don't you hate it when you're vacationing in Puerto Rico and your child tries Jif peanut butter for the first time and likes it more than the organic peanut butter you get at Whole Foods so you lie to him and say you can only get Jif in Puerto Rico?   (nypost.com) divider line 207
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2014-04-20 11:17:08 AM  

jaybeezey: Forbidden Doughnut: Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.

Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product

Can you get organic skim milk? Cuz I gotta tell you, the thickness of whole milk grosses me out.


You could always just try to consume water instead of cow juices, believe me you won't miss cereal's prices and once you can start tasting the coffee you'll start saving a lot of money there too.
 
2014-04-20 11:19:29 AM  
I buy whatever vegetables look better, sometimes it's the organic ones, sometimes not. i do by jif, I'm sure it's garbage but I enjoy it.

that article was also garbage, the post, really, troll harder
 
2014-04-20 11:20:59 AM  

billybobtoo: Vacations in Puerto Rico??  Who does that?  Third world craphole.


Sure as fark beats that stinkhole where Disney World is located.
 
2014-04-20 11:21:06 AM  
Why not just tell the kid to buy whatever peanut butter he wants out of his own money, but if he doesn't want to pay for it, he'll eat what you give him and shut the fark up?
 
2014-04-20 11:22:17 AM  

PsychoTherapist: What the fark happened to "I'm glad you liked it but we will not be buying it"?

About eighty percent of the "child and adolescent psychotherapy" I do is really behavioral parent training (and it would be higher if I were not seeing so many adolescents). And ninety-nine percent of the behavioral parent training is unwinding escape-maintained behaviors like this. Parents do all kinds of unhelpful things that are motivated by the desire to escape a conflict with their kid. Once we get that sorted out and remind them that yes, they really are the parents in this household, most of the Deep Emotional Problems they brought their kids in for therapy about sort themselves right the fark out. Not all of them, mind you. But a lot.

I'm not a fan of the Food Nazi / Collectors of Allergies phenomenon (which is more escape-maintained behavior, in this case to escape anxiety), but the parenting thing is more critical to me.


I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense. The parents project their neuroses onto the kids.

/doesn't have kids
//probably neurotic
 
2014-04-20 11:24:30 AM  

maelstrom0370: megarian: maelstrom0370: megarian: Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?

Maybe they lived in the hotel?

Actually, yes. :) Not *the* hotel, the other one. My job came with housing.

Ah. That makes sense.

Do you hate fudge?

With a burning passion. The fudge shops all have fans that blow the stink into the street...where it mingles with the stench of horse shiat. It tends to turn one off.


HORK
 
2014-04-20 11:25:35 AM  

maelstrom0370: Maybe it's the "lying to kids" part, but something about this article reminded me of this unrelated CSB:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing) and it's quite the Amish playground. Anyways, me and the boy child (he was about 3 at the time) we're sitting in the park waiting for Mrs Maelstrom0370 to get out of work. I'm sitting next to this Amish woman while boy child chases sea gulls. My mom (boy child's Doodah) had told him they were chickens. All birds were chickens to him at this point. I was laughing and we were talking about him chasing those chickens. He runs off and Amish woman looks over at me questioningly. I explain the chicken thing and she nods and says "Well, he's too young to understand the lie"


No matter the reason, lying to kids is the worst thing parents can do to children.  It bugs me that people do that.  If I tell them something, they should be able to trust me that even if I'm wrong, it is what I know the truth to be.  I almost want to laugh and cry at the same time when it all comes back on parents later, and the kid goes in different direction because they can't trust anything their parents said to them.  Even if you are telling them not to do something bad, explain it using truth, as oppose to "because you could die" if you stay out late or some other rule that would not cause death.
 
2014-04-20 11:28:11 AM  

untaken_name: Why not just tell the kid to buy whatever peanut butter he wants out of his own money, but if he doesn't want to pay for it, he'll eat what you give him and shut the fark up?


Simple, short and true, I like it.  And yes, sometimes that's what the kids get for an answer in my house.  Sometimes, they do have money to buy what they like, which is okay, enjoy.
 
2014-04-20 11:29:34 AM  

lack of warmth: maelstrom0370: Maybe it's the "lying to kids" part, but something about this article reminded me of this unrelated CSB:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing) and it's quite the Amish playground. Anyways, me and the boy child (he was about 3 at the time) we're sitting in the park waiting for Mrs Maelstrom0370 to get out of work. I'm sitting next to this Amish woman while boy child chases sea gulls. My mom (boy child's Doodah) had told him they were chickens. All birds were chickens to him at this point. I was laughing and we were talking about him chasing those chickens. He runs off and Amish woman looks over at me questioningly. I explain the chicken thing and she nods and says "Well, he's too young to understand the lie"

No matter the reason, lying to kids is the worst thing parents can do to children.  It bugs me that people do that.  If I tell them something, they should be able to trust me that even if I'm wrong, it is what I know the truth to be.  I almost want to laugh and cry at the same time when it all comes back on parents later, and the kid goes in different direction because they can't trust anything their parents said to them.  Even if you are telling them not to do something bad, explain it using truth, as oppose to "because you could die" if you stay out late or some other rule that would not cause death.


This and the above post by PsychTherapist explain that nicely. Young parents are trying to be friends with their kids instead of parents.

You can be friends when they're older.
 
2014-04-20 11:35:02 AM  
I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.
 
2014-04-20 11:36:03 AM  

untaken_name: Why not just tell the kid to buy whatever peanut butter he wants out of his own money, but if he doesn't want to pay for it, he'll eat what you give him and shut the fark up?


Because parents want to force...share their values with their children.
 
2014-04-20 11:36:58 AM  

umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.


Are you kidding? Silicon and methane-based macaroons are delish!
 
2014-04-20 11:41:25 AM  

buzzcut73: Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.

My kids called it the music truck on their own up until last year. I did nothing whatsoever to correct them on what kind of truck that was. Not because I don't want them to have ice cream, I just don't want to be harassed about getting some every time it comes by. Am I an awful person?


I inherited my parents' "we've got ice cream from the store" mentality. I take a look at the ice cream truck prices and think, "I can get a box of those for the same price".
 
2014-04-20 11:42:36 AM  

svanmeter: Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting


This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

/Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.
//Same thing goes for organic bananas. I think the chemically treated stuff kills off the good bugs, so that when the bad bugs make a comeback, they do it in a real hurry.
///I don't really care if organic is healthier; it just tastes better because it hasn't been dosed with preservatives and stored for a long time.
 
2014-04-20 11:46:33 AM  

LazyMedia: svanmeter: Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

/Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.
//Same thing goes for organic bananas. I think the chemically treated stuff kills off the good bugs, so that when the bad bugs make a comeback, they do it in a real hurry.
///I don't really care if organic is healthier; it just tastes better because it hasn't been dosed with preservatives and stored for a long time.


There seem to be contradictory claims that you are making.

Organic food doesn't have preservatives.....but it lasts longer?
 
2014-04-20 11:50:58 AM  

umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.


But... I like Quarry because it's crunchy.
 
2014-04-20 11:55:09 AM  
Organic milk from the grocery (not a farm) is ultra-pasteurized. Every living thing in it is destroyed by high heat. That's why it lasts freakishly long. Can't make cheese or yogurt out of it either.
Not saying that's good or bad, just that it is.
 
2014-04-20 11:56:32 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: LazyMedia: svanmeter: Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

/Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.
//Same thing goes for organic bananas. I think the chemically treated stuff kills off the good bugs, so that when the bad bugs make a comeback, they do it in a real hurry.
///I don't really care if organic is healthier; it just tastes better because it hasn't been dosed with preservatives and stored for a long time.

There seem to be contradictory claims that you are making.

Organic food doesn't have preservatives.....but it lasts longer?


There is some truth to that, in that when you kill off all of the bacteria, you leave open an environment ready for anything that comes along to thrive.  Thus why pasteurized milk spoils instead of turning into yogurt, unless you re-introduce the bugs that you want.

I'll accept the tradeoff, myself.  Nature is not your friend and has had many thousands of years to perfect ways of hurting and killing you.  My tool-using ancestors didn't use their brains to perfect ways of beating nature down just so I could throw that effort away because feelings.
 
2014-04-20 12:03:49 PM  

Only fools would equate "feeding my child better foodstuffs" with "tyranny."

Also, did anyone else check out Academics Review, the folks cited in the article? It's a 501(c)(3) created 4 years ago, cited constantly by right-wing business "news organizations" as an astroturf group to push back on anti-GMO and pro-organic activism. They're closely tied to both Monsanto and DuPont, initially spun up to fight anti-GMO activists like Jeffrey Smith, and they're now funded, quietly, by donations from agribusiness to push pro-agribusiness articles whenever possible.

Anything, anything, in which their opinion is cited should be seen as paid propaganda by Monsanto and DuPont.
 
2014-04-20 12:07:52 PM  
When I lived in Pomona, I loved getting peanut butter from these things at Winco

photos1.blogger.com
 
2014-04-20 12:09:10 PM  
Liberals lying in order to force a behavior. Rick Romero reporting.
 
2014-04-20 12:13:46 PM  

Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.



Best organic chicken video... ever.  "His name was Collin."
media-cdn.tripadvisor.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRHJlE4PGI
 
2014-04-20 12:17:18 PM  
Organic thread? Just leaving this here. (NSFW)
 
2014-04-20 12:20:46 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: LazyMedia: svanmeter: Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

/Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.
//Same thing goes for organic bananas. I think the chemically treated stuff kills off the good bugs, so that when the bad bugs make a comeback, they do it in a real hurry.
///I don't really care if organic is healthier; it just tastes better because it hasn't been dosed with preservatives and stored for a long time.

There seem to be contradictory claims that you are making.

Organic food doesn't have preservatives.....but it lasts longer?


It's counterintuitive, but in a couple cases I have found it to be true. "Regular" milk and bananas don't use preservatives, either, but the pesticides they use on bananas seem to make them rot faster. Organic bananas just ripen; they don't rot nearly as quickly, probably because there's beneficial microbes that prevent the bloom of the kind that cause decay. I dunno what the deal is with organic milk, but that stuff lasts forever without going sour.
 
2014-04-20 12:24:04 PM  

LazyMedia: I dunno what the deal is with organic milk, but that stuff lasts forever without going sour.


Check the label. If it says "Ultra-Pasteurized" on it, you will now know "the deal".
 
2014-04-20 12:28:59 PM  
My sister is a holistic medicine, health and organic food eating NUT.  She's also at least 75 lb's overweight.  she's a vegetarian also.  We go at it all the time over the "organic food" issue - I like to point out that SHE is the one who studied biology, is she trying to tell me that the food I buy is INORGANIC?  I mean, if it was not organic, we could not eat it and live eh?

She gets red in face and so it's always fun.

Her kids are a bit different, he son, the younger of the two, finally started eating meat a year or so ago and it's not killed him yet, but he eats just crap, he's 22 and it's not going to hurt him yet, but his diet stinks.  The daughter is pretty smart, eats well and etc.

As to peanut butter:  Skippy Super Chunk.  So what?  I'm inside weight height guidelines and my doctor says I'm healthy and I detest stirring and refrigerating ground peanuts...

Which I eat smeared on inorganic apples.  I'm sure I'm living on borrowed time!
 
2014-04-20 12:31:02 PM  

buckler: umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.

Are you kidding? Silicon and methane-based macaroons are delish!


www.smbc-comics.com
 
2014-04-20 12:32:53 PM  
As a kid I loved peanut butter; had it in a sandwich in my school lunch for years.  I actually told my mother to not buy Jif, because to me it was too sweet and sticky.  Then she was trying organic and it was awful.  Largely chunks of peanut in some kind of oil, no sugar - I could *peel* it off the bread, it didn't even adhere.  Two long years of terrible sandwiches.  Years later I tried some other kind of organic peanut butter, and though a bit on the dull side it was ok - but that first experience made me never want to look back.  Ok, fine, modern foods are processed and have tons of crap in them - read the labels and try to find the least awful stuff that suits your diet.
 
2014-04-20 12:33:07 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard


No it has not. Seasonal allergies are a small fraction oh the pollen in the air.

How the fark would that even work? At least honey sort of made sense if you're a retard, since bees directly consume pollen to make it.
 
2014-04-20 12:39:32 PM  
my favorite is organic honey.  how in hell's name do you instruct bees to only go to the plants that have been grown organically, and not to go to plants that are not organic.
 
2014-04-20 12:44:37 PM  
LazyMedia:

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

Why does it all have to be some extreme end of the spectrum?  "Covered in" pesticides.  "Full of" antibiotics and preservatives.  There's no middle ground with you whackos.

The whole "tastes better" thing is bullshiat too, but I think you know that already.  It's actually the entire premise of this article.
 
2014-04-20 12:46:24 PM  

imfallen_angel: adding peanut butter to the list of things on Fark where there's a bunch of snobs/hipsters ranting about it.

Is anything safe?


No. Food is serious bi'ness.
PB must be crunchy dammit.
 
2014-04-20 12:46:42 PM  

johndalek: my favorite is organic honey.  how in hell's name do you instruct bees to only go to the plants that have been grown organically, and not to go to plants that are not organic.


I think what they are trying to say is that it's not diluted by corn syrup.
 
2014-04-20 12:46:54 PM  

johndalek: my favorite is organic honey.  how in hell's name do you instruct bees to only go to the plants that have been grown organically, and not to go to plants that are not organic.


It's easy. All plants on this planet are organic. Problem solved. More seriously, they probably have fields of certain specific plants which are the closest to the beehive, and which the bees prefer. That's how they get clover honey, for example.
 
2014-04-20 12:47:59 PM  

johndalek: my favorite is organic honey.  how in hell's name do you instruct bees to only go to the plants that have been grown organically, and not to go to plants that are not organic.


Bees don't fly that far to gather nectar. You plunk the hives down in a field that's not being sprayed with chemical pesticides, you can call the honey organic. I'm looking forward to the new labeling rules that requires honey sellers to disclose whether they cut it with corn syrup or sugar water (most of them do). I just buy locally produced honey; you can get it at most of the supermarkets I go to.
 
2014-04-20 12:48:12 PM  
Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.
 
2014-04-20 12:50:42 PM  

jaybeezey: Forbidden Doughnut: Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

...

Can you get organic skim milk? Cuz I gotta tell you, the thickness of whole milk grosses me out.

Yes.  I started buying organic skim to see if it would last longer.  As noted above, it does.  I think it tastes better than regular skim too, but that could be my enormously suggestible psyche.

 
2014-04-20 12:50:55 PM  

umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.


Came here to say this. All food is organic, but with the right amount of marketing you can get morons to pay more for anything.
 
2014-04-20 12:52:22 PM  
The real fun starts when these kids go out into the world on there own, and discover FOOD.
 
2014-04-20 12:52:32 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.


A friend of mine actually got government cheese when he was a kid; he said that shiat was the hook-up. Best cheese he's ever tasted.
 
2014-04-20 12:53:28 PM  

jaybeezey: Forbidden Doughnut: Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.

Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product

Can you get organic skim milk? Cuz I gotta tell you, the thickness of whole milk grosses me out.


Why even bother paying the cost of milk if all you're doing is drinking milk colored water to begin with?
 
2014-04-20 12:55:33 PM  
Costco has a pretty good Kirkland branded organic peanut butter. It is kind of a PITA that you have to refrigerate it (so you end up having to let it sit on the counter awhile so it will spread) I really don't care that it needs a little stir. Kids seem to like it.
I didn't get it because I have to have organic everything. I got it because it was on sale, and my little hellspawn don't need any added sugar--they're hyper enough as it is.
 
2014-04-20 12:56:09 PM  

Tourney3p0: LazyMedia:

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

Why does it all have to be some extreme end of the spectrum?  "Covered in" pesticides.  "Full of" antibiotics and preservatives.  There's no middle ground with you whackos.

The whole "tastes better" thing is bullshiat too, but I think you know that already.  It's actually the entire premise of this article.


Look, I'm not some kind of organic true believer; I buy a few organic things that actually taste better or stay fresh longer, just for that. Mainly bananas, milk and eggs. I avoid cheap ground beef, more to avoid food poisoning than to avoid antibiotics and hormones, but that's a bonus (every one of those e coli incidents came from ground-up dairy cows in the plastic tubes). The things where I can't tell the difference, (e.g. broccoli or onions) I buy the cheaper one. The biggest nutritional difference is between making stuff from scratch and buying prepared, processed food, anyway. You want a full dose of preservatives, you really have to buy frozen or canned cooked food.
 
2014-04-20 12:57:11 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.


If I recall correctly the peanut butter at Boy Scout camp was government or military surplus. It was really good.
 
2014-04-20 12:57:43 PM  

theorellior: Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.

A friend of mine actually got government cheese when he was a kid; he said that shiat was the hook-up. Best cheese he's ever tasted.


None of you have taste buds. We were served that crap in our school lunches when I was a kid, and both the peanut butter and cheese were TERRIBLE.
 
2014-04-20 01:02:47 PM  
My favorite is the reduced fat peanut butter. It's less oily and more paste-like. Maybe that sounds gross, but that shiat just tastes better to me. But, I've dropped it from my roster because it was impossible to find a brand I liked that wasn't filled with corn syrup.

I now use the all natural stuff, only ingredient is peanuts and salt. I eat a lot less peanut butter now. Not only does it not taste as good, it's messy and no matter how much I try to stir it before hand, the solids separate from the oil, turn into chunks, and I have yet to find a way to get things mixed back together with any consistent texture. When stirring, the oil splashes out. It drips off the knife. It soaks through the bread and paper towels. Making a peanut butter sandwich becomes a 40 minute ordeal once you factor in the stir time and the fact that you've got to wipe everything down with cleaner to remove the oil. In most cases, I'd be better off cooking a burger, and it would certainly taste better, too.
 
2014-04-20 01:02:56 PM  
You can't stop kids from finding out about the good food.

I once helped out with a church chilli dinner fundraiser, and was dumstruck to find out that the church's chilly had no vegetables in it!  I had no idea such a thing was possible!  Not only did it taste so much better than mom's homemade chilli, you didn't have to carefully steer your spoon around dodging the vegetables.  You could actually empty the bowl!  For some time afterwards I badgered my mom to find out the church's recipe so she could make chilli without vegetables, too.  That did not go well.
 
2014-04-20 01:03:25 PM  

LazyMedia: /Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.


This is due to packaging. I've actually looked at and compared the organic milk to regular milk IN THE CARTON, and they have similar expiration dates. In fact, there have been a few cases where the regular milk's expiration date was past the one for the organic. The reason? Cartons block out light, which causes milk to spoil more quickly. Plastic jugs and bags do not block this light, and so if you compare regular milk in a jug or bag to organic milk in a carton, of course the organic milk will have a longer life. Compare organic milk to regular milk in similar packaging.

And all produce I've bought seems to last for about the same amount of time, organic or not.
 
2014-04-20 01:06:02 PM  

vernonFL: I try to buy organic and healthy food when I can. If not, its not the end of the world.


Get this reasonable attitude out of here!   The only possible worlds to live in are the ones where all food is organic or it is not!  No one is allowed to have mild preferences! THERE CAN ONLY BE ORTHODOXY!
 
2014-04-20 01:07:08 PM  
Choosy moms choose to lie their asses off to their kids and pay six bucks for a bottle of peanut butter.
 
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