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(NYPost)   Don't you hate it when you're vacationing in Puerto Rico and your child tries Jif peanut butter for the first time and likes it more than the organic peanut butter you get at Whole Foods so you lie to him and say you can only get Jif in Puerto Rico?   (nypost.com) divider line 207
    More: Silly, Jif, whole foods, Puerto Rico, dietary habits, helicopter parenting, Julie Gunlock  
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2014-04-20 10:21:36 AM
"Organic" is just marketing buzzword for food that is not any safer, healthier, nutritious, or sustainable than conventional food, and in most cases produced in nearly identical conditions as conventional agriculture.

IMO, if you want to make a social difference with your food choices, you'd do a lot more by buying locally produced food than focusing on the organic label. Not that it will be any healthier necessarily, but you'd be supporting the local economy and cutting down on the costs and environmental impact from transporting much of our food for thousands of miles.
 
2014-04-20 10:21:47 AM

Abox: When I was a kid my mom tried replacing my Peter Pan Smooth with a crunchy, unspreadable, separated oil concoction.  It did not go well.


Let me guess...this?

static.caloriecount.about.com

We got a jar of it in a gift basket.  I remember it being an oily, flavorless, unspreadable paste that smelled faintly of peanuts.
 
2014-04-20 10:22:11 AM

Mirandized: I love how a bunch of the early responders were sort of defending organics, even though there is not a shred of evidence that you can measure a difference between organics and non-organics. Peanut butter tastes better to most people with a little salt and sugar in it. As JerseyTim pointed out, you can buy peanut butter without anything added without having to resort to organics. I sometimes buy peanut butter without additives, but I usually end up adding salt.

Forbidden Doughnut: Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product

Milk has been pasteurized (cooked) and homogenized. That makes it taste entirely different. If you buy milk locally you might be getting unpasteurized milk from certified non-TB cows. I used to work at a cannery, and guess what: tomatoes, greens or carrots tasted different after they were cooked and canned. This is not an effect of organics versus non-organics.

/bottom line--organics is a money grab.


I mostly agree about organics being a money grab, plus there's something wrong with not trying to get the greatest yield per acre but organic milk is one product where the taste is significantly better than non-organic.

2% organic tastes like non-organic whole and whole organic tastes like half and half or cream.  SOoooooo gooood!
 
2014-04-20 10:23:05 AM
What the fark happened to "I'm glad you liked it but we will not be buying it"?

About eighty percent of the "child and adolescent psychotherapy" I do is really behavioral parent training (and it would be higher if I were not seeing so many adolescents). And ninety-nine percent of the behavioral parent training is unwinding escape-maintained behaviors like this. Parents do all kinds of unhelpful things that are motivated by the desire to escape a conflict with their kid. Once we get that sorted out and remind them that yes, they really are the parents in this household, most of the Deep Emotional Problems they brought their kids in for therapy about sort themselves right the fark out. Not all of them, mind you. But a lot.

I'm not a fan of the Food Nazi / Collectors of Allergies phenomenon (which is more escape-maintained behavior, in this case to escape anxiety), but the parenting thing is more critical to me.
 
2014-04-20 10:23:48 AM

zarker: I read something about some woman's neighbor calling cps because she was poisoning her child. They took him from her no questions asked and returned him when nothing was wrong. Cps /then/ asked the neighbor why she would say such a thing, and she replied with "They feed him meat!"

We live in a world where it's preferable to feed children lies than perfectly safe food.


Well how can the child eat his pudding then?
 
2014-04-20 10:24:29 AM
The DA is on to you. You can't take your kids to Puerto Rico and feed them Jif right after discovering their peanut allergy
 
2014-04-20 10:24:37 AM

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


It's so upsetting that men are forced to marry and shoot seed into these harpies.


Yes. Men do this, too. And it's just as obnoxious.
 
2014-04-20 10:27:03 AM
Paleo FTW
 
2014-04-20 10:29:33 AM
Ugh. That sounded c*nty.

Ignore me. It's bloody mary time.
 
2014-04-20 10:30:14 AM
This is by far the best peanut butter, hands down. Ingredients: peanuts, salt. So, you have to stir it up first; waah.

images.fatsecret.com
 
2014-04-20 10:31:33 AM

LazyMedia: This is by far the best peanut butter, hands down. Ingredients: peanuts, salt. So, you have to stir it up first; waah.


Oh hell yeah.
 
2014-04-20 10:31:36 AM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard


How is that true?  The apple I get here in Georgia was harvested a week ago, but the apple from Washington State is almost 3 months old?  Don't think so; sounds like an invented stat.
 
2014-04-20 10:31:41 AM

meow said the dog: Paleo FTW


Hahaha I has a laughter out loud for the cavemen that didn't have TV to see Jif ads how did they know to choose Jif but all is okay becuase they all were of the healthy bodies in eating only ferns and yummy deer and never gluten of the horrible grain plants.
 
2014-04-20 10:31:53 AM
Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting
 
2014-04-20 10:32:12 AM

Skr: Which brand would George Washington Carver prefer?


Since he is dead, my guess is none.
 
2014-04-20 10:32:13 AM

js34603: That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.


I told my kids soda was only available in Puerto Rico.  It was easier than teaching them about, and providing them with healthier food and drink.  I didn't want them to learn anything, nor to learn self control, ever.
 
2014-04-20 10:33:11 AM

buzzcut73: Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.

My kids called it the music truck on their own up until last year. I did nothing whatsoever to correct them on what kind of truck that was. Not because I don't want them to have ice cream, I just don't want to be harassed about getting some every time it comes by. Am I an awful person?


Who was it that I recently heard saying that their parents told them that the ice cream truck was only open when the music wasn't playing? Grade-A parenting, right there.
 
2014-04-20 10:33:48 AM
maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?
 
2014-04-20 10:34:33 AM

RickN99: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard

How is that true?  The apple I get here in Georgia was harvested a week ago, but the apple from Washington State is almost 3 months old?  Don't think so; sounds like an invented stat.


It's called hyperbole, you doof.
 
2014-04-20 10:35:11 AM
adding peanut butter to the list of things on Fark where there's a bunch of snobs/hipsters ranting about it.

Is anything safe?
 
2014-04-20 10:35:36 AM

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


I think we all know the answer to that.. What's that? Oh it's my wife. Hmm okay, that is what I thought.

It is the man's fault!!!!!
 
2014-04-20 10:36:12 AM

Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?


Maybe they lived in the hotel?
 
2014-04-20 10:36:20 AM
I'm sorry but not only is the grind-it-fresh honey roasted peanut butter at WFM delicious but it's cheaper than anything in a jar.

If you know what you're doing you can shop at Whole Foods Market just as cheaply as your local or national chain supermarkets.
 
2014-04-20 10:41:12 AM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: RickN99: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard

How is that true?  The apple I get here in Georgia was harvested a week ago, but the apple from Washington State is almost 3 months old?  Don't think so; sounds like an invented stat.

It's called hyperbole, you doof.


But - for the sake of clarification - the unspoken truth about produce is that we don't grow for flavor any more. Major producers only grow those varieties which ship easily and can be stored for long periods of time.

/grocery store apples are shiat
//my apples are nigh unto Eden's own
 
2014-04-20 10:41:36 AM
I live in Lexington. The location of the only Jif factory so I'm getting a kick....
 
2014-04-20 10:41:37 AM
Ha! Puerto Rican peanut butter. But maybe that kid can get some the next time daddy visits his Puerto Rican mistress.
 
2014-04-20 10:42:40 AM

theorellior: meow said the dog: Paleo FTW

Hahaha I has a laughter out loud for the cavemen that didn't have TV to see Jif ads how did they know to choose Jif but all is okay becuase they all were of the healthy bodies in eating only ferns and yummy deer and never gluten of the horrible grain plants.


See you do the up feeling of me!
 
2014-04-20 10:46:20 AM
Fun fact: kids don't have income or transportation and have to eat whatever you tell them to.  If you tell them "no", they have to live with it.
 
2014-04-20 10:47:06 AM

megarian: Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?

Maybe they lived in the hotel?


Actually, yes. :) Not *the* hotel, the other one. My job came with housing.
 
2014-04-20 10:47:20 AM

meow said the dog: See you do the up feeling of me!


Nothing but silly feels and laughters out loud!
 
2014-04-20 10:48:35 AM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard


You do know local produce is worse for the environment ?
 
2014-04-20 10:49:59 AM
It's these children that later in life go on shooting sprees.
Screaming
The world is a lie, I'm better than the rest of you, all I wanted was some farking Jif!!
 
2014-04-20 10:50:08 AM

edmo: I thought the headline would end with some sort of "and he turned out to have peanut allergies and you can't even find a doctor in those 3rd world countries."


If by 3rd world you mean USA, you would be correct.
 
2014-04-20 10:50:16 AM
Here is a jif that represents my feelings towards most of those bland liquid cardboard organic spreads:
s11.postimg.org
 
2014-04-20 10:52:50 AM
You're all wrong. Nothing compares to Peter Pan peanut butter.
 
2014-04-20 10:53:07 AM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: RickN99: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard

How is that true?  The apple I get here in Georgia was harvested a week ago, but the apple from Washington State is almost 3 months old?  Don't think so; sounds like an invented stat.

It's called hyperbole, you doof.

But - for the sake of clarification - the unspoken truth about produce is that we don't grow for flavor any more. Major producers only grow those varieties which ship easily and can be stored for long periods of time.

/grocery store apples are shiat
//my apples are nigh unto Eden's own


Apples store very well in a controlled environment. I worked on an apple farm in western NY in the late 80's. We stored apples in a cooler from the time they were picked in the fall through early winter as the store sold them off.
 
2014-04-20 10:53:49 AM

BumpInTheNight: Here is a jif that represents my feelings towards most of those bland liquid cardboard organic spreads:
[s11.postimg.org image 240x228]


Nice jraphics interchange format there.  I'll pronounce GIF with a hard g if I damned well want to.
 
2014-04-20 10:54:34 AM

maelstrom0370: megarian: Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?

Maybe they lived in the hotel?

Actually, yes. :) Not *the* hotel, the other one. My job came with housing.


Ah. That makes sense.

Do you hate fudge?
 
2014-04-20 10:59:46 AM

meow said the dog: theorellior: meow said the dog: Paleo FTW

Hahaha I has a laughter out loud for the cavemen that didn't have TV to see Jif ads how did they know to choose Jif but all is okay becuase they all were of the healthy bodies in eating only ferns and yummy deer and never gluten of the horrible grain plants.

See you do the up feeling of me!


If you wanted to get felt up, all you had to do was ask.
 
2014-04-20 11:00:34 AM
FTFA: One mother she met was convinced her child's ADD became worse when he was exposed to non-organic food. A stray Goldfish or Cheerio might set up off.

I am going to guess this coont's poor kid (probably a boy) does not even really have ADD but she  had to have her kid doped up to be part of the crowd.
 
2014-04-20 11:01:20 AM

megarian: maelstrom0370: megarian: Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?

Maybe they lived in the hotel?

Actually, yes. :) Not *the* hotel, the other one. My job came with housing.

Ah. That makes sense.

Do you hate fudge?


With a burning passion. The fudge shops all have fans that blow the stink into the street...where it mingles with the stench of horse shiat. It tends to turn one off.
 
2014-04-20 11:03:37 AM

Flint Ironstag: Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.

A friend of mine told his kids that the ice cream truck only plays music when it has run out of ice cream.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-04-20 11:03:57 AM

hasty ambush: FTFA: One mother she met was convinced her child's ADD became worse when he was exposed to non-organic food. A stray Goldfish or Cheerio might set up off.

I am going to guess this coont's poor kid (probably a boy) does not even really have ADD but she  had to have her kid doped up to be part of the crowd.


One of my favorite things is when a c*nt call someone a c*nt.
 
2014-04-20 11:05:58 AM
The ironic thing is that this article is essentially an exercise in class envy, something the right-wing blogodome always tells us is supposed to be what's wrong with America.
 
2014-04-20 11:08:58 AM
I just buy a bunch of these and eat the chocolate part away first.

img.auctiva.com
 
2014-04-20 11:09:20 AM

PsychoTherapist: What the fark happened to "I'm glad you liked it but we will not be buying it"?

About eighty percent of the "child and adolescent psychotherapy" I do is really behavioral parent training (and it would be higher if I were not seeing so many adolescents). And ninety-nine percent of the behavioral parent training is unwinding escape-maintained behaviors like this. Parents do all kinds of unhelpful things that are motivated by the desire to escape a conflict with their kid. Once we get that sorted out and remind them that yes, they really are the parents in this household, most of the Deep Emotional Problems they brought their kids in for therapy about sort themselves right the fark out. Not all of them, mind you. But a lot.

I'm not a fan of the Food Nazi / Collectors of Allergies phenomenon (which is more escape-maintained behavior, in this case to escape anxiety), but the parenting thing is more critical to me.


From a research psychologist to a practicing psychologist: THANK YOU!

Parents, you make take the word of two psychologists here: you will not FUBAR your children's psyches by saying "no" to them when the situation calls for it.
 
2014-04-20 11:10:15 AM

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


It's almost like when companies market "stuff," they know who to target (hint: it's not men).
 
2014-04-20 11:10:32 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.

Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product


Can you get organic skim milk? Cuz I gotta tell you, the thickness of whole milk grosses me out.
 
2014-04-20 11:15:46 AM
This gadget is what makes the natural peanut butter work the way it should.

www.americanfoodroots.com
 
2014-04-20 11:16:30 AM

Dirty J1: js34603: That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.

I agree, but why lie to a kid? Dont parents have the balls to tell kids the truth these days? Instead of "oh sorry, they only make it in Puerto Rico," you could simply say "because jif is bad for you."


They're afraid that if they ever say "No" their kids will hate them.
 
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