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(NYPost)   Don't you hate it when you're vacationing in Puerto Rico and your child tries Jif peanut butter for the first time and likes it more than the organic peanut butter you get at Whole Foods so you lie to him and say you can only get Jif in Puerto Rico?   (nypost.com) divider line 207
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2014-04-20 03:10:12 AM  
Going out on a limb to say it was the sugar that tipped it in
 
2014-04-20 07:22:51 AM  
You just need to get your kids to like stuff that's less crappy. My daughter rarely goes to McDonalds but we do take her to 99, Friendly's (harder to do now), Five Guys...
 
2014-04-20 07:24:18 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-20 08:04:00 AM  
We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.
 
2014-04-20 08:30:39 AM  
The best part about jiff is that they remove all the peanut oil and sell that separately. They do replace it with much cheaper corn oil.
 
2014-04-20 08:42:52 AM  
I thought the headline would end with some sort of "and he turned out to have peanut allergies and you can't even find a doctor in those 3rd world countries."
 
2014-04-20 08:47:34 AM  
There are advantages to organic production. A lot of our food is grown in developing countries where conditions are such that agrochemicals are misused in ways that poison farmers and villagers. I've seen terrible cases of planes spraying right across populated areas to more subtle instances of people applying the chemicals without proper gear and bringing residues on their clothes to their home, exposing their families. The benefit of helping to protect these people is enough for me to pay a little extra at the market (although I don't exclusively eat organic food.)

But I guess marketing organic produce by telling people that it makes the lives of others better is not as effective as telling them lies about how it makes *their* lives better.
 
2014-04-20 08:57:51 AM  
Who the hell cares?
 
2014-04-20 08:59:45 AM  
I try to buy organic and healthy food when I can. If not, its not the end of the world.
 
Skr
2014-04-20 09:34:16 AM  
Which brand would George Washington Carver prefer?
 
2014-04-20 09:35:11 AM  
I read that in Eric Bolling's voice. If people want to eat organic, who the hell cares? It's not your money, or your problem.
 
2014-04-20 09:37:15 AM  
When I was a kid my mom tried replacing my Peter Pan Smooth with a crunchy, unspreadable, separated oil concoction.  It did not go well.
 
2014-04-20 09:37:33 AM  

vernonFL: I try to buy organic and healthy food when I can. If not, its not the end of the world.


It's not necessarily healthier, guaranteed to be more expensive though...
 
2014-04-20 09:38:01 AM  
Terrible parenting. One, because this "organic" foods thing is nothing but a way to get people to pay out the ass for the same stuff basically. And two, why lie? Just tell him: "sorry son, we are stuck up pompous arrogant people who are better then everyone else because we eat organic everything. I know jif tasted awesome but since its not organic you can neve ever ever eat it again."
 
2014-04-20 09:38:42 AM  
Missing the point entirely. It's not the non-organic ingredients that make Jif "better" (personally I find it gross, but I didn't have it until I was an adult, so your child's mileage may vary), it's the high fructose corn syrup.

Don't care much about organic, but I do avoid all the sugar-added foods. They're what make you fat.
 
2014-04-20 09:39:15 AM  

enthralledgeishagirl: Going out on a limb to say it was the sugar that tipped it in


Not to mention the trans fats.
 
2014-04-20 09:40:10 AM  
That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.
 
2014-04-20 09:41:17 AM  
A mom in Washington tells me that she was unable to participate in a number of nanny-share agreements she looked into because the other parents were so crazy about not having their children come into contact with anything non-organic. One mother she met was convinced her child's ADD became worse when he was exposed to non-organic food. A stray Goldfish or Cheerio might set up off.

It's like turning your child into a time bomb that's set to go off in college.
 
2014-04-20 09:41:19 AM  
Ha.

A fool and his money...
 
2014-04-20 09:43:34 AM  

js34603: That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.


I'm sorry, you can only get this strangely delicious "soda pop" in Puerto Rico. Now drink your free-range organic broccoli juice.
 
2014-04-20 09:45:10 AM  

Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.


Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product
 
2014-04-20 09:45:57 AM  

js34603: That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.


I agree, but why lie to a kid? Dont parents have the balls to tell kids the truth these days? Instead of "oh sorry, they only make it in Puerto Rico," you could simply say "because jif is bad for you."
 
2014-04-20 09:48:23 AM  
I make sure my kid eats only those foods infused with sugar and bacon flavors.
 
2014-04-20 09:50:18 AM  
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-20 09:50:53 AM  
Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?
 
2014-04-20 09:53:15 AM  
Choosy mothers farking choose Jif.
 
2014-04-20 09:53:35 AM  
A jar of dry-roasted peanuts plus a food processor = peanut butter in about ten minutes.

You can then add your own sugar to emulsify the oils, if you (or your child) so prefer.

And you don't have to pay Whole Foods for the pleasure.
 
2014-04-20 09:54:07 AM  

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


Yeah, pretty much this.

/won't chop off the husband's dangly bits
//STOP WOMEN SERIOUSLY
 
2014-04-20 09:54:08 AM  
I started to read that and was kinda interested, and then I realized that this is the under-the-radar "granola liberals suck" article that the NY Post/Murdoch is famous for and then I got all *shakes fist*-y.
 
2014-04-20 09:55:08 AM  
Natural peanut butter without a bunch of extra ingredients and sugar doesn't have to be organic. This is my favorite peanut better:
i411.photobucket.com
They also have an organic version, but this one is great. Soooo damn creamy. Only ingredient: peanuts.
 
2014-04-20 09:56:11 AM  

jayhawk88: A mom in Washington tells me that she was unable to participate in a number of nanny-share agreements she looked into because the other parents were so crazy about not having their children come into contact with anything non-organic. One mother she met was convinced her child's ADD became worse when he was exposed to non-organic food. A stray Goldfish or Cheerio might set up off.

It's like turning your child into a time bomb that's set to go off in college.


Yup. That kid is going to lose his/her mind once out in the real world, assuming the trust fund doesn't keep them inside a bubble.
 
2014-04-20 09:56:38 AM  
I'm sure lying to your child is preferable.  I mean, it's not like the kid is ever going to see a Jif jar in the store or in an advertisement.

Way to go stupid twunt, your child can now justifiably question anything else that comes out of your mouth.
 
2014-04-20 09:58:45 AM  
Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.
 
2014-04-20 09:58:56 AM  
Food Nazis. I hate food Nazis. First they came for my sugar. Then they came for my meat. Where does it end?
 
2014-04-20 10:01:21 AM  
stupid article is stupid. Also, I fully include the NY Post as being a founding member of "the Culture of Alarmism" so to hear them complain about it is priceless.
 
2014-04-20 10:01:55 AM  
The conversation did not have the happening and was the made up thing for the story of this.
 
2014-04-20 10:02:12 AM  
Vacations in Puerto Rico??  Who does that?  Third world craphole.
 
2014-04-20 10:02:35 AM  

HiFiGuy: I started to read that and was kinda interested, and then I realized that this is the under-the-radar "granola liberals suck" article that the NY Post/Murdoch is famous for and then I got all *shakes fist*-y.


Plus" fifty years of reaserch" quoted in the article.
Keep shoving your had up your ass, less of this liberal noise to listen to.
 
2014-04-20 10:03:24 AM  
PluckYew:
Way to go stupid twunt, your child can now justifiably question anything else that comes out of your mouth.

Yep, this.
 
2014-04-20 10:03:43 AM  

jayhawk88: One mother she met was convinced her child's ADD became worse when he was exposed to non-organic food


This is what's wrong...THIS right here.

That self-righteous, know-nothing, helicopter parenting. Coddling your kids like that is terrible.
 
2014-04-20 10:06:52 AM  

Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.


A friend of mine told his kids that the ice cream truck only plays music when it has run out of ice cream.
 
2014-04-20 10:07:19 AM  

Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.


My kids called it the music truck on their own up until last year. I did nothing whatsoever to correct them on what kind of truck that was. Not because I don't want them to have ice cream, I just don't want to be harassed about getting some every time it comes by. Am I an awful person?
 
2014-04-20 10:10:23 AM  
Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard
 
2014-04-20 10:12:49 AM  
I wonder how parents who lie like this end up dealing with the fallout later.  I mean, you can only fool kids for so long.  This isn't telling them there is a Santa Claus (because why would kids complain about getting presents) or the Tooth Fairy (hello, free money).

Tell the kid the truth, deal with the crying, and move on.  Or, you can stop being so anal and afraid of something that isn't (reading some of this gave me a serious anti-vax vibe), and let these kids have something that is not perfectly healthy from time to time.
 
2014-04-20 10:14:14 AM  
There are lots of things I wouldn't mind getting the organic version, if it's not way more expensive. But organic peanut butter is just nasty.
 
2014-04-20 10:15:48 AM  
Jif sucks.
Skippy (the adult peanut butter) is great.
 
2014-04-20 10:17:50 AM  
I love how a bunch of the early responders were sort of defending organics, even though there is not a shred of evidence that you can measure a difference between organics and non-organics. Peanut butter tastes better to most people with a little salt and sugar in it. As JerseyTim pointed out, you can buy peanut butter without anything added without having to resort to organics. I sometimes buy peanut butter without additives, but I usually end up adding salt.

Forbidden Doughnut: Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product


Milk has been pasteurized (cooked) and homogenized. That makes it taste entirely different. If you buy milk locally you might be getting unpasteurized milk from certified non-TB cows. I used to work at a cannery, and guess what: tomatoes, greens or carrots tasted different after they were cooked and canned. This is not an effect of organics versus non-organics.

/bottom line--organics is a money grab.
 
2014-04-20 10:17:56 AM  

buzzcut73: Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.

My kids called it the music truck on their own up until last year. I did nothing whatsoever to correct them on what kind of truck that was. Not because I don't want them to have ice cream, I just don't want to be harassed about getting some every time it comes by. Am I an awful person?


Just tell them they play the music to let everyone know that they are out of ice cream
 
2014-04-20 10:18:23 AM  
Maybe it's the "lying to kids" part, but something about this article reminded me of this unrelated CSB:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing) and it's quite the Amish playground. Anyways, me and the boy child (he was about 3 at the time) we're sitting in the park waiting for Mrs Maelstrom0370 to get out of work. I'm sitting next to this Amish woman while boy child chases sea gulls. My mom (boy child's Doodah) had told him they were chickens. All birds were chickens to him at this point. I was laughing and we were talking about him chasing those chickens. He runs off and Amish woman looks over at me questioningly. I explain the chicken thing and she nods and says "Well, he's too young to understand the lie"
 
2014-04-20 10:19:26 AM  
I read something about some woman's neighbor calling cps because she was poisoning her child. They took him from her no questions asked and returned him when nothing was wrong. Cps /then/ asked the neighbor why she would say such a thing, and she replied with "They feed him meat!"

We live in a world where it's preferable to feed children lies than perfectly safe food.
 
2014-04-20 10:21:36 AM  
"Organic" is just marketing buzzword for food that is not any safer, healthier, nutritious, or sustainable than conventional food, and in most cases produced in nearly identical conditions as conventional agriculture.

IMO, if you want to make a social difference with your food choices, you'd do a lot more by buying locally produced food than focusing on the organic label. Not that it will be any healthier necessarily, but you'd be supporting the local economy and cutting down on the costs and environmental impact from transporting much of our food for thousands of miles.
 
2014-04-20 10:21:47 AM  

Abox: When I was a kid my mom tried replacing my Peter Pan Smooth with a crunchy, unspreadable, separated oil concoction.  It did not go well.


Let me guess...this?

static.caloriecount.about.com

We got a jar of it in a gift basket.  I remember it being an oily, flavorless, unspreadable paste that smelled faintly of peanuts.
 
2014-04-20 10:22:11 AM  

Mirandized: I love how a bunch of the early responders were sort of defending organics, even though there is not a shred of evidence that you can measure a difference between organics and non-organics. Peanut butter tastes better to most people with a little salt and sugar in it. As JerseyTim pointed out, you can buy peanut butter without anything added without having to resort to organics. I sometimes buy peanut butter without additives, but I usually end up adding salt.

Forbidden Doughnut: Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product

Milk has been pasteurized (cooked) and homogenized. That makes it taste entirely different. If you buy milk locally you might be getting unpasteurized milk from certified non-TB cows. I used to work at a cannery, and guess what: tomatoes, greens or carrots tasted different after they were cooked and canned. This is not an effect of organics versus non-organics.

/bottom line--organics is a money grab.


I mostly agree about organics being a money grab, plus there's something wrong with not trying to get the greatest yield per acre but organic milk is one product where the taste is significantly better than non-organic.

2% organic tastes like non-organic whole and whole organic tastes like half and half or cream.  SOoooooo gooood!
 
2014-04-20 10:23:05 AM  
What the fark happened to "I'm glad you liked it but we will not be buying it"?

About eighty percent of the "child and adolescent psychotherapy" I do is really behavioral parent training (and it would be higher if I were not seeing so many adolescents). And ninety-nine percent of the behavioral parent training is unwinding escape-maintained behaviors like this. Parents do all kinds of unhelpful things that are motivated by the desire to escape a conflict with their kid. Once we get that sorted out and remind them that yes, they really are the parents in this household, most of the Deep Emotional Problems they brought their kids in for therapy about sort themselves right the fark out. Not all of them, mind you. But a lot.

I'm not a fan of the Food Nazi / Collectors of Allergies phenomenon (which is more escape-maintained behavior, in this case to escape anxiety), but the parenting thing is more critical to me.
 
2014-04-20 10:23:48 AM  

zarker: I read something about some woman's neighbor calling cps because she was poisoning her child. They took him from her no questions asked and returned him when nothing was wrong. Cps /then/ asked the neighbor why she would say such a thing, and she replied with "They feed him meat!"

We live in a world where it's preferable to feed children lies than perfectly safe food.


Well how can the child eat his pudding then?
 
2014-04-20 10:24:29 AM  
The DA is on to you. You can't take your kids to Puerto Rico and feed them Jif right after discovering their peanut allergy
 
2014-04-20 10:24:37 AM  

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


It's so upsetting that men are forced to marry and shoot seed into these harpies.


Yes. Men do this, too. And it's just as obnoxious.
 
2014-04-20 10:27:03 AM  
Paleo FTW
 
2014-04-20 10:29:33 AM  
Ugh. That sounded c*nty.

Ignore me. It's bloody mary time.
 
2014-04-20 10:30:14 AM  
This is by far the best peanut butter, hands down. Ingredients: peanuts, salt. So, you have to stir it up first; waah.

images.fatsecret.com
 
2014-04-20 10:31:33 AM  

LazyMedia: This is by far the best peanut butter, hands down. Ingredients: peanuts, salt. So, you have to stir it up first; waah.


Oh hell yeah.
 
2014-04-20 10:31:36 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard


How is that true?  The apple I get here in Georgia was harvested a week ago, but the apple from Washington State is almost 3 months old?  Don't think so; sounds like an invented stat.
 
2014-04-20 10:31:41 AM  

meow said the dog: Paleo FTW


Hahaha I has a laughter out loud for the cavemen that didn't have TV to see Jif ads how did they know to choose Jif but all is okay becuase they all were of the healthy bodies in eating only ferns and yummy deer and never gluten of the horrible grain plants.
 
2014-04-20 10:31:53 AM  
Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting
 
2014-04-20 10:32:12 AM  

Skr: Which brand would George Washington Carver prefer?


Since he is dead, my guess is none.
 
2014-04-20 10:32:13 AM  

js34603: That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.


I told my kids soda was only available in Puerto Rico.  It was easier than teaching them about, and providing them with healthier food and drink.  I didn't want them to learn anything, nor to learn self control, ever.
 
2014-04-20 10:33:11 AM  

buzzcut73: Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.

My kids called it the music truck on their own up until last year. I did nothing whatsoever to correct them on what kind of truck that was. Not because I don't want them to have ice cream, I just don't want to be harassed about getting some every time it comes by. Am I an awful person?


Who was it that I recently heard saying that their parents told them that the ice cream truck was only open when the music wasn't playing? Grade-A parenting, right there.
 
2014-04-20 10:33:48 AM  
maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?
 
2014-04-20 10:34:33 AM  

RickN99: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard

How is that true?  The apple I get here in Georgia was harvested a week ago, but the apple from Washington State is almost 3 months old?  Don't think so; sounds like an invented stat.


It's called hyperbole, you doof.
 
2014-04-20 10:35:11 AM  
adding peanut butter to the list of things on Fark where there's a bunch of snobs/hipsters ranting about it.

Is anything safe?
 
2014-04-20 10:35:36 AM  

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


I think we all know the answer to that.. What's that? Oh it's my wife. Hmm okay, that is what I thought.

It is the man's fault!!!!!
 
2014-04-20 10:36:12 AM  

Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?


Maybe they lived in the hotel?
 
2014-04-20 10:36:20 AM  
I'm sorry but not only is the grind-it-fresh honey roasted peanut butter at WFM delicious but it's cheaper than anything in a jar.

If you know what you're doing you can shop at Whole Foods Market just as cheaply as your local or national chain supermarkets.
 
2014-04-20 10:41:12 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: RickN99: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard

How is that true?  The apple I get here in Georgia was harvested a week ago, but the apple from Washington State is almost 3 months old?  Don't think so; sounds like an invented stat.

It's called hyperbole, you doof.


But - for the sake of clarification - the unspoken truth about produce is that we don't grow for flavor any more. Major producers only grow those varieties which ship easily and can be stored for long periods of time.

/grocery store apples are shiat
//my apples are nigh unto Eden's own
 
2014-04-20 10:41:36 AM  
I live in Lexington. The location of the only Jif factory so I'm getting a kick....
 
2014-04-20 10:41:37 AM  
Ha! Puerto Rican peanut butter. But maybe that kid can get some the next time daddy visits his Puerto Rican mistress.
 
2014-04-20 10:42:40 AM  

theorellior: meow said the dog: Paleo FTW

Hahaha I has a laughter out loud for the cavemen that didn't have TV to see Jif ads how did they know to choose Jif but all is okay becuase they all were of the healthy bodies in eating only ferns and yummy deer and never gluten of the horrible grain plants.


See you do the up feeling of me!
 
2014-04-20 10:46:20 AM  
Fun fact: kids don't have income or transportation and have to eat whatever you tell them to.  If you tell them "no", they have to live with it.
 
2014-04-20 10:47:06 AM  

megarian: Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?

Maybe they lived in the hotel?


Actually, yes. :) Not *the* hotel, the other one. My job came with housing.
 
2014-04-20 10:47:20 AM  

meow said the dog: See you do the up feeling of me!


Nothing but silly feels and laughters out loud!
 
2014-04-20 10:48:35 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard


You do know local produce is worse for the environment ?
 
2014-04-20 10:49:59 AM  
It's these children that later in life go on shooting sprees.
Screaming
The world is a lie, I'm better than the rest of you, all I wanted was some farking Jif!!
 
2014-04-20 10:50:08 AM  

edmo: I thought the headline would end with some sort of "and he turned out to have peanut allergies and you can't even find a doctor in those 3rd world countries."


If by 3rd world you mean USA, you would be correct.
 
2014-04-20 10:50:16 AM  
Here is a jif that represents my feelings towards most of those bland liquid cardboard organic spreads:
s11.postimg.org
 
2014-04-20 10:52:50 AM  
You're all wrong. Nothing compares to Peter Pan peanut butter.
 
2014-04-20 10:53:07 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: RickN99: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard

How is that true?  The apple I get here in Georgia was harvested a week ago, but the apple from Washington State is almost 3 months old?  Don't think so; sounds like an invented stat.

It's called hyperbole, you doof.

But - for the sake of clarification - the unspoken truth about produce is that we don't grow for flavor any more. Major producers only grow those varieties which ship easily and can be stored for long periods of time.

/grocery store apples are shiat
//my apples are nigh unto Eden's own


Apples store very well in a controlled environment. I worked on an apple farm in western NY in the late 80's. We stored apples in a cooler from the time they were picked in the fall through early winter as the store sold them off.
 
2014-04-20 10:53:49 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Here is a jif that represents my feelings towards most of those bland liquid cardboard organic spreads:
[s11.postimg.org image 240x228]


Nice jraphics interchange format there.  I'll pronounce GIF with a hard g if I damned well want to.
 
2014-04-20 10:54:34 AM  

maelstrom0370: megarian: Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?

Maybe they lived in the hotel?

Actually, yes. :) Not *the* hotel, the other one. My job came with housing.


Ah. That makes sense.

Do you hate fudge?
 
2014-04-20 10:59:46 AM  

meow said the dog: theorellior: meow said the dog: Paleo FTW

Hahaha I has a laughter out loud for the cavemen that didn't have TV to see Jif ads how did they know to choose Jif but all is okay becuase they all were of the healthy bodies in eating only ferns and yummy deer and never gluten of the horrible grain plants.

See you do the up feeling of me!


If you wanted to get felt up, all you had to do was ask.
 
2014-04-20 11:00:34 AM  
FTFA: One mother she met was convinced her child's ADD became worse when he was exposed to non-organic food. A stray Goldfish or Cheerio might set up off.

I am going to guess this coont's poor kid (probably a boy) does not even really have ADD but she  had to have her kid doped up to be part of the crowd.
 
2014-04-20 11:01:20 AM  

megarian: maelstrom0370: megarian: Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?

Maybe they lived in the hotel?

Actually, yes. :) Not *the* hotel, the other one. My job came with housing.

Ah. That makes sense.

Do you hate fudge?


With a burning passion. The fudge shops all have fans that blow the stink into the street...where it mingles with the stench of horse shiat. It tends to turn one off.
 
2014-04-20 11:03:37 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.

A friend of mine told his kids that the ice cream truck only plays music when it has run out of ice cream.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-04-20 11:03:57 AM  

hasty ambush: FTFA: One mother she met was convinced her child's ADD became worse when he was exposed to non-organic food. A stray Goldfish or Cheerio might set up off.

I am going to guess this coont's poor kid (probably a boy) does not even really have ADD but she  had to have her kid doped up to be part of the crowd.


One of my favorite things is when a c*nt call someone a c*nt.
 
2014-04-20 11:05:58 AM  
The ironic thing is that this article is essentially an exercise in class envy, something the right-wing blogodome always tells us is supposed to be what's wrong with America.
 
2014-04-20 11:08:58 AM  
I just buy a bunch of these and eat the chocolate part away first.

img.auctiva.com
 
2014-04-20 11:09:20 AM  

PsychoTherapist: What the fark happened to "I'm glad you liked it but we will not be buying it"?

About eighty percent of the "child and adolescent psychotherapy" I do is really behavioral parent training (and it would be higher if I were not seeing so many adolescents). And ninety-nine percent of the behavioral parent training is unwinding escape-maintained behaviors like this. Parents do all kinds of unhelpful things that are motivated by the desire to escape a conflict with their kid. Once we get that sorted out and remind them that yes, they really are the parents in this household, most of the Deep Emotional Problems they brought their kids in for therapy about sort themselves right the fark out. Not all of them, mind you. But a lot.

I'm not a fan of the Food Nazi / Collectors of Allergies phenomenon (which is more escape-maintained behavior, in this case to escape anxiety), but the parenting thing is more critical to me.


From a research psychologist to a practicing psychologist: THANK YOU!

Parents, you make take the word of two psychologists here: you will not FUBAR your children's psyches by saying "no" to them when the situation calls for it.
 
2014-04-20 11:10:15 AM  

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


It's almost like when companies market "stuff," they know who to target (hint: it's not men).
 
2014-04-20 11:10:32 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.

Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product


Can you get organic skim milk? Cuz I gotta tell you, the thickness of whole milk grosses me out.
 
2014-04-20 11:15:46 AM  
This gadget is what makes the natural peanut butter work the way it should.

www.americanfoodroots.com
 
2014-04-20 11:16:30 AM  

Dirty J1: js34603: That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.

I agree, but why lie to a kid? Dont parents have the balls to tell kids the truth these days? Instead of "oh sorry, they only make it in Puerto Rico," you could simply say "because jif is bad for you."


They're afraid that if they ever say "No" their kids will hate them.
 
2014-04-20 11:17:08 AM  

jaybeezey: Forbidden Doughnut: Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.

Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product

Can you get organic skim milk? Cuz I gotta tell you, the thickness of whole milk grosses me out.


You could always just try to consume water instead of cow juices, believe me you won't miss cereal's prices and once you can start tasting the coffee you'll start saving a lot of money there too.
 
2014-04-20 11:19:29 AM  
I buy whatever vegetables look better, sometimes it's the organic ones, sometimes not. i do by jif, I'm sure it's garbage but I enjoy it.

that article was also garbage, the post, really, troll harder
 
2014-04-20 11:20:59 AM  

billybobtoo: Vacations in Puerto Rico??  Who does that?  Third world craphole.


Sure as fark beats that stinkhole where Disney World is located.
 
2014-04-20 11:21:06 AM  
Why not just tell the kid to buy whatever peanut butter he wants out of his own money, but if he doesn't want to pay for it, he'll eat what you give him and shut the fark up?
 
2014-04-20 11:22:17 AM  

PsychoTherapist: What the fark happened to "I'm glad you liked it but we will not be buying it"?

About eighty percent of the "child and adolescent psychotherapy" I do is really behavioral parent training (and it would be higher if I were not seeing so many adolescents). And ninety-nine percent of the behavioral parent training is unwinding escape-maintained behaviors like this. Parents do all kinds of unhelpful things that are motivated by the desire to escape a conflict with their kid. Once we get that sorted out and remind them that yes, they really are the parents in this household, most of the Deep Emotional Problems they brought their kids in for therapy about sort themselves right the fark out. Not all of them, mind you. But a lot.

I'm not a fan of the Food Nazi / Collectors of Allergies phenomenon (which is more escape-maintained behavior, in this case to escape anxiety), but the parenting thing is more critical to me.


I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense. The parents project their neuroses onto the kids.

/doesn't have kids
//probably neurotic
 
2014-04-20 11:24:30 AM  

maelstrom0370: megarian: maelstrom0370: megarian: Mister Peejay: maelstrom0370:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing)

Wait, people live there?

Maybe they lived in the hotel?

Actually, yes. :) Not *the* hotel, the other one. My job came with housing.

Ah. That makes sense.

Do you hate fudge?

With a burning passion. The fudge shops all have fans that blow the stink into the street...where it mingles with the stench of horse shiat. It tends to turn one off.


HORK
 
2014-04-20 11:25:35 AM  

maelstrom0370: Maybe it's the "lying to kids" part, but something about this article reminded me of this unrelated CSB:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing) and it's quite the Amish playground. Anyways, me and the boy child (he was about 3 at the time) we're sitting in the park waiting for Mrs Maelstrom0370 to get out of work. I'm sitting next to this Amish woman while boy child chases sea gulls. My mom (boy child's Doodah) had told him they were chickens. All birds were chickens to him at this point. I was laughing and we were talking about him chasing those chickens. He runs off and Amish woman looks over at me questioningly. I explain the chicken thing and she nods and says "Well, he's too young to understand the lie"


No matter the reason, lying to kids is the worst thing parents can do to children.  It bugs me that people do that.  If I tell them something, they should be able to trust me that even if I'm wrong, it is what I know the truth to be.  I almost want to laugh and cry at the same time when it all comes back on parents later, and the kid goes in different direction because they can't trust anything their parents said to them.  Even if you are telling them not to do something bad, explain it using truth, as oppose to "because you could die" if you stay out late or some other rule that would not cause death.
 
2014-04-20 11:28:11 AM  

untaken_name: Why not just tell the kid to buy whatever peanut butter he wants out of his own money, but if he doesn't want to pay for it, he'll eat what you give him and shut the fark up?


Simple, short and true, I like it.  And yes, sometimes that's what the kids get for an answer in my house.  Sometimes, they do have money to buy what they like, which is okay, enjoy.
 
2014-04-20 11:29:34 AM  

lack of warmth: maelstrom0370: Maybe it's the "lying to kids" part, but something about this article reminded me of this unrelated CSB:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing) and it's quite the Amish playground. Anyways, me and the boy child (he was about 3 at the time) we're sitting in the park waiting for Mrs Maelstrom0370 to get out of work. I'm sitting next to this Amish woman while boy child chases sea gulls. My mom (boy child's Doodah) had told him they were chickens. All birds were chickens to him at this point. I was laughing and we were talking about him chasing those chickens. He runs off and Amish woman looks over at me questioningly. I explain the chicken thing and she nods and says "Well, he's too young to understand the lie"

No matter the reason, lying to kids is the worst thing parents can do to children.  It bugs me that people do that.  If I tell them something, they should be able to trust me that even if I'm wrong, it is what I know the truth to be.  I almost want to laugh and cry at the same time when it all comes back on parents later, and the kid goes in different direction because they can't trust anything their parents said to them.  Even if you are telling them not to do something bad, explain it using truth, as oppose to "because you could die" if you stay out late or some other rule that would not cause death.


This and the above post by PsychTherapist explain that nicely. Young parents are trying to be friends with their kids instead of parents.

You can be friends when they're older.
 
2014-04-20 11:35:02 AM  
I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.
 
2014-04-20 11:36:03 AM  

untaken_name: Why not just tell the kid to buy whatever peanut butter he wants out of his own money, but if he doesn't want to pay for it, he'll eat what you give him and shut the fark up?


Because parents want to force...share their values with their children.
 
2014-04-20 11:36:58 AM  

umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.


Are you kidding? Silicon and methane-based macaroons are delish!
 
2014-04-20 11:41:25 AM  

buzzcut73: Jean Claude Van Darn: Because they didn't want him having ice cream, some overly health conscious friends of mine told their son that the ice cream truck was just "the music truck that drives around and plays music in neighborhoods with kids".

It is the saddest thing I have ever heard to this day. The Rwandan Genocide has nothing on this story.

My kids called it the music truck on their own up until last year. I did nothing whatsoever to correct them on what kind of truck that was. Not because I don't want them to have ice cream, I just don't want to be harassed about getting some every time it comes by. Am I an awful person?


I inherited my parents' "we've got ice cream from the store" mentality. I take a look at the ice cream truck prices and think, "I can get a box of those for the same price".
 
2014-04-20 11:42:36 AM  

svanmeter: Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting


This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

/Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.
//Same thing goes for organic bananas. I think the chemically treated stuff kills off the good bugs, so that when the bad bugs make a comeback, they do it in a real hurry.
///I don't really care if organic is healthier; it just tastes better because it hasn't been dosed with preservatives and stored for a long time.
 
2014-04-20 11:46:33 AM  

LazyMedia: svanmeter: Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

/Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.
//Same thing goes for organic bananas. I think the chemically treated stuff kills off the good bugs, so that when the bad bugs make a comeback, they do it in a real hurry.
///I don't really care if organic is healthier; it just tastes better because it hasn't been dosed with preservatives and stored for a long time.


There seem to be contradictory claims that you are making.

Organic food doesn't have preservatives.....but it lasts longer?
 
2014-04-20 11:50:58 AM  

umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.


But... I like Quarry because it's crunchy.
 
2014-04-20 11:55:09 AM  
Organic milk from the grocery (not a farm) is ultra-pasteurized. Every living thing in it is destroyed by high heat. That's why it lasts freakishly long. Can't make cheese or yogurt out of it either.
Not saying that's good or bad, just that it is.
 
2014-04-20 11:56:32 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: LazyMedia: svanmeter: Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

/Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.
//Same thing goes for organic bananas. I think the chemically treated stuff kills off the good bugs, so that when the bad bugs make a comeback, they do it in a real hurry.
///I don't really care if organic is healthier; it just tastes better because it hasn't been dosed with preservatives and stored for a long time.

There seem to be contradictory claims that you are making.

Organic food doesn't have preservatives.....but it lasts longer?


There is some truth to that, in that when you kill off all of the bacteria, you leave open an environment ready for anything that comes along to thrive.  Thus why pasteurized milk spoils instead of turning into yogurt, unless you re-introduce the bugs that you want.

I'll accept the tradeoff, myself.  Nature is not your friend and has had many thousands of years to perfect ways of hurting and killing you.  My tool-using ancestors didn't use their brains to perfect ways of beating nature down just so I could throw that effort away because feelings.
 
2014-04-20 12:03:49 PM  

Only fools would equate "feeding my child better foodstuffs" with "tyranny."

Also, did anyone else check out Academics Review, the folks cited in the article? It's a 501(c)(3) created 4 years ago, cited constantly by right-wing business "news organizations" as an astroturf group to push back on anti-GMO and pro-organic activism. They're closely tied to both Monsanto and DuPont, initially spun up to fight anti-GMO activists like Jeffrey Smith, and they're now funded, quietly, by donations from agribusiness to push pro-agribusiness articles whenever possible.

Anything, anything, in which their opinion is cited should be seen as paid propaganda by Monsanto and DuPont.
 
2014-04-20 12:07:52 PM  
When I lived in Pomona, I loved getting peanut butter from these things at Winco

photos1.blogger.com
 
2014-04-20 12:09:10 PM  
Liberals lying in order to force a behavior. Rick Romero reporting.
 
2014-04-20 12:13:46 PM  

Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.



Best organic chicken video... ever.  "His name was Collin."
media-cdn.tripadvisor.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRHJlE4PGI
 
2014-04-20 12:17:18 PM  
Organic thread? Just leaving this here. (NSFW)
 
2014-04-20 12:20:46 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: LazyMedia: svanmeter: Paradigm crusher: "Nor are organic foods healthier. As Scientific America notes, 50 years of studies in the UK found that organic and conventional foods have the exact same nutritional content."

/interesting

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

/Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.
//Same thing goes for organic bananas. I think the chemically treated stuff kills off the good bugs, so that when the bad bugs make a comeback, they do it in a real hurry.
///I don't really care if organic is healthier; it just tastes better because it hasn't been dosed with preservatives and stored for a long time.

There seem to be contradictory claims that you are making.

Organic food doesn't have preservatives.....but it lasts longer?


It's counterintuitive, but in a couple cases I have found it to be true. "Regular" milk and bananas don't use preservatives, either, but the pesticides they use on bananas seem to make them rot faster. Organic bananas just ripen; they don't rot nearly as quickly, probably because there's beneficial microbes that prevent the bloom of the kind that cause decay. I dunno what the deal is with organic milk, but that stuff lasts forever without going sour.
 
2014-04-20 12:24:04 PM  

LazyMedia: I dunno what the deal is with organic milk, but that stuff lasts forever without going sour.


Check the label. If it says "Ultra-Pasteurized" on it, you will now know "the deal".
 
2014-04-20 12:28:59 PM  
My sister is a holistic medicine, health and organic food eating NUT.  She's also at least 75 lb's overweight.  she's a vegetarian also.  We go at it all the time over the "organic food" issue - I like to point out that SHE is the one who studied biology, is she trying to tell me that the food I buy is INORGANIC?  I mean, if it was not organic, we could not eat it and live eh?

She gets red in face and so it's always fun.

Her kids are a bit different, he son, the younger of the two, finally started eating meat a year or so ago and it's not killed him yet, but he eats just crap, he's 22 and it's not going to hurt him yet, but his diet stinks.  The daughter is pretty smart, eats well and etc.

As to peanut butter:  Skippy Super Chunk.  So what?  I'm inside weight height guidelines and my doctor says I'm healthy and I detest stirring and refrigerating ground peanuts...

Which I eat smeared on inorganic apples.  I'm sure I'm living on borrowed time!
 
2014-04-20 12:31:02 PM  

buckler: umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.

Are you kidding? Silicon and methane-based macaroons are delish!


www.smbc-comics.com
 
2014-04-20 12:32:53 PM  
As a kid I loved peanut butter; had it in a sandwich in my school lunch for years.  I actually told my mother to not buy Jif, because to me it was too sweet and sticky.  Then she was trying organic and it was awful.  Largely chunks of peanut in some kind of oil, no sugar - I could *peel* it off the bread, it didn't even adhere.  Two long years of terrible sandwiches.  Years later I tried some other kind of organic peanut butter, and though a bit on the dull side it was ok - but that first experience made me never want to look back.  Ok, fine, modern foods are processed and have tons of crap in them - read the labels and try to find the least awful stuff that suits your diet.
 
2014-04-20 12:33:07 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Better to buy LOCAL than to buy "organic." Locally-produced foods are acclimated to the immediate environment, and consumption of local produce has been proven to reduce seasonal allergic reactions. They're also ten times as fresh, have less of a chance of being coated or pumped full of preservatives, and unless you're trying to buy tropical fruit 90% of the produce we buy on average can be grown locally for the majority of the year.

/Eat things that breathe your air, drink your water.
//Who'd-a thought?
///Don't want no damn Mexican apples when I have a small grove in my own backyard


No it has not. Seasonal allergies are a small fraction oh the pollen in the air.

How the fark would that even work? At least honey sort of made sense if you're a retard, since bees directly consume pollen to make it.
 
2014-04-20 12:39:32 PM  
my favorite is organic honey.  how in hell's name do you instruct bees to only go to the plants that have been grown organically, and not to go to plants that are not organic.
 
2014-04-20 12:44:37 PM  
LazyMedia:

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

Why does it all have to be some extreme end of the spectrum?  "Covered in" pesticides.  "Full of" antibiotics and preservatives.  There's no middle ground with you whackos.

The whole "tastes better" thing is bullshiat too, but I think you know that already.  It's actually the entire premise of this article.
 
2014-04-20 12:46:24 PM  

imfallen_angel: adding peanut butter to the list of things on Fark where there's a bunch of snobs/hipsters ranting about it.

Is anything safe?


No. Food is serious bi'ness.
PB must be crunchy dammit.
 
2014-04-20 12:46:42 PM  

johndalek: my favorite is organic honey.  how in hell's name do you instruct bees to only go to the plants that have been grown organically, and not to go to plants that are not organic.


I think what they are trying to say is that it's not diluted by corn syrup.
 
2014-04-20 12:46:54 PM  

johndalek: my favorite is organic honey.  how in hell's name do you instruct bees to only go to the plants that have been grown organically, and not to go to plants that are not organic.


It's easy. All plants on this planet are organic. Problem solved. More seriously, they probably have fields of certain specific plants which are the closest to the beehive, and which the bees prefer. That's how they get clover honey, for example.
 
2014-04-20 12:47:59 PM  

johndalek: my favorite is organic honey.  how in hell's name do you instruct bees to only go to the plants that have been grown organically, and not to go to plants that are not organic.


Bees don't fly that far to gather nectar. You plunk the hives down in a field that's not being sprayed with chemical pesticides, you can call the honey organic. I'm looking forward to the new labeling rules that requires honey sellers to disclose whether they cut it with corn syrup or sugar water (most of them do). I just buy locally produced honey; you can get it at most of the supermarkets I go to.
 
2014-04-20 12:48:12 PM  
Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.
 
2014-04-20 12:50:42 PM  

jaybeezey: Forbidden Doughnut: Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

...

Can you get organic skim milk? Cuz I gotta tell you, the thickness of whole milk grosses me out.

Yes.  I started buying organic skim to see if it would last longer.  As noted above, it does.  I think it tastes better than regular skim too, but that could be my enormously suggestible psyche.

 
2014-04-20 12:50:55 PM  

umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.


Came here to say this. All food is organic, but with the right amount of marketing you can get morons to pay more for anything.
 
2014-04-20 12:52:22 PM  
The real fun starts when these kids go out into the world on there own, and discover FOOD.
 
2014-04-20 12:52:32 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.


A friend of mine actually got government cheese when he was a kid; he said that shiat was the hook-up. Best cheese he's ever tasted.
 
2014-04-20 12:53:28 PM  

jaybeezey: Forbidden Doughnut: Unobtanium: We buy organic milk, eggs, and (usually) chicken. But only to try to avoid the hormones, and kind of un-support the use of hormones and antibiotics in farming, not because it's "better."

We also have tried to get away from HFCS sweetened food products where we can.

But yeah, FTA:  The organic-food industry is thrilled by this attitude. But let's be clear. Organic food does not necessarily mean better. It's a term that's been co-opted and manipulated into a billion-dollar industry by some of the biggest food companies in America.

Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product

Can you get organic skim milk? Cuz I gotta tell you, the thickness of whole milk grosses me out.


Why even bother paying the cost of milk if all you're doing is drinking milk colored water to begin with?
 
2014-04-20 12:55:33 PM  
Costco has a pretty good Kirkland branded organic peanut butter. It is kind of a PITA that you have to refrigerate it (so you end up having to let it sit on the counter awhile so it will spread) I really don't care that it needs a little stir. Kids seem to like it.
I didn't get it because I have to have organic everything. I got it because it was on sale, and my little hellspawn don't need any added sugar--they're hyper enough as it is.
 
2014-04-20 12:56:09 PM  

Tourney3p0: LazyMedia:

This is such a dumb point. Of course they have the same nutritional content. Nobody's saying organic food has more calories, minerals and vitamins. It's just not covered in pesticides or full of antibiotics and preservatives, and it's fresher and tastes better. The big difference is the NON-nutritional content you get with non-organic food.

Why does it all have to be some extreme end of the spectrum?  "Covered in" pesticides.  "Full of" antibiotics and preservatives.  There's no middle ground with you whackos.

The whole "tastes better" thing is bullshiat too, but I think you know that already.  It's actually the entire premise of this article.


Look, I'm not some kind of organic true believer; I buy a few organic things that actually taste better or stay fresh longer, just for that. Mainly bananas, milk and eggs. I avoid cheap ground beef, more to avoid food poisoning than to avoid antibiotics and hormones, but that's a bonus (every one of those e coli incidents came from ground-up dairy cows in the plastic tubes). The things where I can't tell the difference, (e.g. broccoli or onions) I buy the cheaper one. The biggest nutritional difference is between making stuff from scratch and buying prepared, processed food, anyway. You want a full dose of preservatives, you really have to buy frozen or canned cooked food.
 
2014-04-20 12:57:11 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.


If I recall correctly the peanut butter at Boy Scout camp was government or military surplus. It was really good.
 
2014-04-20 12:57:43 PM  

theorellior: Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.

A friend of mine actually got government cheese when he was a kid; he said that shiat was the hook-up. Best cheese he's ever tasted.


None of you have taste buds. We were served that crap in our school lunches when I was a kid, and both the peanut butter and cheese were TERRIBLE.
 
2014-04-20 01:02:47 PM  
My favorite is the reduced fat peanut butter. It's less oily and more paste-like. Maybe that sounds gross, but that shiat just tastes better to me. But, I've dropped it from my roster because it was impossible to find a brand I liked that wasn't filled with corn syrup.

I now use the all natural stuff, only ingredient is peanuts and salt. I eat a lot less peanut butter now. Not only does it not taste as good, it's messy and no matter how much I try to stir it before hand, the solids separate from the oil, turn into chunks, and I have yet to find a way to get things mixed back together with any consistent texture. When stirring, the oil splashes out. It drips off the knife. It soaks through the bread and paper towels. Making a peanut butter sandwich becomes a 40 minute ordeal once you factor in the stir time and the fact that you've got to wipe everything down with cleaner to remove the oil. In most cases, I'd be better off cooking a burger, and it would certainly taste better, too.
 
2014-04-20 01:02:56 PM  
You can't stop kids from finding out about the good food.

I once helped out with a church chilli dinner fundraiser, and was dumstruck to find out that the church's chilly had no vegetables in it!  I had no idea such a thing was possible!  Not only did it taste so much better than mom's homemade chilli, you didn't have to carefully steer your spoon around dodging the vegetables.  You could actually empty the bowl!  For some time afterwards I badgered my mom to find out the church's recipe so she could make chilli without vegetables, too.  That did not go well.
 
2014-04-20 01:03:25 PM  

LazyMedia: /Organic milk in a paper carton is freaky; it lasts for months. I save money on buying the more "expensive" organic, because I don't drink that much milk and it doesn't spoil.


This is due to packaging. I've actually looked at and compared the organic milk to regular milk IN THE CARTON, and they have similar expiration dates. In fact, there have been a few cases where the regular milk's expiration date was past the one for the organic. The reason? Cartons block out light, which causes milk to spoil more quickly. Plastic jugs and bags do not block this light, and so if you compare regular milk in a jug or bag to organic milk in a carton, of course the organic milk will have a longer life. Compare organic milk to regular milk in similar packaging.

And all produce I've bought seems to last for about the same amount of time, organic or not.
 
2014-04-20 01:06:02 PM  

vernonFL: I try to buy organic and healthy food when I can. If not, its not the end of the world.


Get this reasonable attitude out of here!   The only possible worlds to live in are the ones where all food is organic or it is not!  No one is allowed to have mild preferences! THERE CAN ONLY BE ORTHODOXY!
 
2014-04-20 01:07:08 PM  
Choosy moms choose to lie their asses off to their kids and pay six bucks for a bottle of peanut butter.
 
2014-04-20 01:30:17 PM  
Organic foods are OK, except that in the majority of the time, they're no more nourishing than the regular versions and much more expensive.

Consider this. There are 300 million people in the US and all like to eat. The food industry over the decades has worked hard to be able to produce enough food fast enough to meet the increasing demand. Through assorted ways, both practical and controversial, they have increased production in crops without having to expand the land use much, developed ways such crops can be harvested rapidly without the need of 50 or 60 workers in the fields and figured out how to get some crops to market before they become over ripe.

Massive development has wiped out thousands of acres of rich farmland to put up condos. It happened here with one of the best citrus groves in the US that happened to be planted in a unique form of rich soil and had been known the world over for taste. The descendents of the original grove owners decided that running a grove was hard work, even though it made them quite wealthy, so they sold the land to developers and most of it is now paved over.

As soon as organic food popped up, so did the price. I've had many a discussion with organic growers who have assured me that, through natural means, they have little loss from insects, disease and using organic fertilizers, have produced bountiful crops.

Yet I'm quite aware of the major production increase over the decades of regular foods due to insecticides, anti-fungal agents, synthetic fertilizers and hybridization. I've seen green bell peppers double in size and discovered we now have something like 20 versions of tomatoes. There are at least 6 versions of potatoes, many created by cloning. (The purple ones tend to have little taste though.)

The variety of apples has gone up since I was a kid -- with prices for the best ones going beyond the means of the average family.

I've visited Whole Foods, studied the prices and the inventory and walked out. I like to eat, but I like to be able to pay my rent also.

In the decades of my life, I have seen many healthy fads come and go, with lengthy discoveries defending how much better for you these things are, which you pay more for. I've also seen, time and time again, where such consumables were later disclosed as either actually being more harmful or no better than the usual, cheaper commercial products.

Copper bracelets have absolutely no effect on arthritic joints, yet people still buy them by the ton. Homeopathic medications which use serial dilution have no effect, aside from psychological, and folks still buy all sorts of versions. Some, like colloidal silver, can be consumed to such a degree for health benefits that they turn the skin blue -- and even after stopping the stuff, the hue never goes away.

Most of you probably don't recall the great health benefits from radiation in the early 50's. People ate, dank and wore radioactive products. They had radioactive urns for 'health water', small X-ray machines in shoe stores to help custom fit your shoes, combs were radium dipped, dinnerware was made with radium infused clays and painted with radioactive glazes.

Physicians, companies and the old version of Infomercials found scores of reasons why radioactive goods were healthy and invigorating for you, including sexually.

The stuff is off the market now, after thousands developed cancer. One guy, after drinking hundreds of small bottles of healthy radium water, had his lower jaw drop off. (Got depression glass? In the dark, use a black light to examine your collection. Those pieces that glow have radium in them. They're now called Radium Glass.>)

The 'juicing craze' was considered a major health benefit and while it actually did some good, it did not act as the cure-all that it has been heavily promoted as. It actually wasted a tremendous amount of food in the form of pulp the machines separated out.

People are eating better today than they did 60 years ago. Less wastage is going in the dumps because of new ways to get food to the market. Companies that used to throw tons of 'seconds' out now have found ways to recycle them into processed foods.

Vegetable processing plants have waste from trimming and culling the products. Other companies buy this waste and turn it into compost, which they sell to farmers and gardeners alike.

Yeah, we have contamination scares and concerns, but we're also living longer than our ancestors. Over loaded slaughter houses and imports of foreign meat account for the majority of such meats having to be handled at home as if they were a biohazard.

Various nations dump their waste into the oceans, which have come increasingly polluted, and have begun to affect the seafood we eat -- yet various organizations keep on promoting the many benefits of seafood, which has created more of a demand and increased prices.

Seafood can become contaminated even when grown in fish farms because many such farmers fail to keep enough fresh water flowing through them to wash out all of the waste. Plus many choose to use commercial feed, the contents of which vary.

Kids are healthier than they were in my parents time and even in my time. Even though the media has convince them that venturing out into real sunlight for the healthy effects is going to turn them into a festering mass of cancer.

The majority of your food is nourishing and healthy. There have actually been hybrids created that have increased nourishment. Your grocery stores offer much more in variation of vegetables and fruits than before, even during the off season.

BTW, high fructose corn syrup started being added to things when the cost of sugar imports increased due to tariffs. To continue to make profits high enough for the New Investors, many companies chose to switch sweeteners to the cheaper version.

One of the major sugar growers for the US, is in Florida and has periodically come under fire for labor violations, ecological damage and about anything else that can be tossed their way. So, their product went up in cost.

And these are just the commercially produced basic foods. You get into real problems when you start investigating the massive proliferation of 'fast foods', which, due to public desire, have more than tripled in companies, variation and serving size.

Shut the hell up and eat your food. People are still starving in Africa.
 
2014-04-20 01:30:43 PM  
What the hell is everyone talking about with this "stirring" nonsense? Just get some God dammed Skippy and call it a day already.
 
2014-04-20 01:34:53 PM  

Fano: Dirty J1: js34603: That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.

I agree, but why lie to a kid? Dont parents have the balls to tell kids the truth these days? Instead of "oh sorry, they only make it in Puerto Rico," you could simply say "because jif is bad for you."

They're afraid that if they ever say "No" their kids will hate them.


Bah.... It's a shame kids don't hear words like "no" or "you're a loser" until they are grown up. Then it becomes a huge shock.
 
2014-04-20 01:35:23 PM  

dwade: I live in Lexington. The location of the only Jif factory so I'm getting a kick....


I live in Louisville. I've been past that factory a few times when I've gone to Lexington. On certain days, you can smell the roasting peanuts.
 
2014-04-20 01:38:30 PM  

Dirty J1: Fano: Dirty J1: js34603: That's because Jif has a bunch of sugar in it.

But hey here's so more amazing news...kids like soda better than water. Guess we better let them drink soda and not tell them they can't have it. Or just realize kids are morons and don't know what's good for them, that's what makes them kids.

I agree, but why lie to a kid? Dont parents have the balls to tell kids the truth these days? Instead of "oh sorry, they only make it in Puerto Rico," you could simply say "because jif is bad for you."

They're afraid that if they ever say "No" their kids will hate them.

Bah.... It's a shame kids don't hear words like "no" or "you're a loser" until they are grown up. Then it becomes a huge shock.



Which is why I drive around grade schools with a megaphone shouting "NO! YOU ARE A LOSER!" at the top of my lungs.

Well, actually, I just do that for fun, but it's good to know it has a positive effect on society.
 
2014-04-20 01:41:19 PM  
My sister-in-law told her kid when he was 3 that bacon was only in stores by grandma's house.

He was very excited around 5 or 6 when shopping with mom that he discovered bacon was finally sold around him.
 
2014-04-20 01:43:06 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: buckler: umad: I only eat organic. I don't know how any of you can stand to eat food that isn't carbon-based.

Are you kidding? Silicon and methane-based macaroons are delish!

[www.smbc-comics.com image 445x1500]



Came for this, leaving satisfied

/ hosting vegan / hippie sis in law today . . . no ham for Easter, dammit
 
2014-04-20 01:47:49 PM  
Murdoch hack invents email, FARK takes it as fact.
 
2014-04-20 01:53:57 PM  

dletter: My sister-in-law told her kid when he was 3 that bacon was only in stores by grandma's house.

He was very excited around 5 or 6 when shopping with mom that he discovered bacon was finally sold around him.


How hard is it to explain to a kid what bad eating habits cause?
"You like playing with your friends at recess don't you? If you eat the unhealthy foods, it'll be really hard to play and you'll just be tired all the time, and nobody will want to play with you" Sure it's a stretch but it's not a downright lie.
 
2014-04-20 02:13:41 PM  

PanicMan: Fun fact: kids don't have income or transportation and have to eat whatever you tell them to.  If you tell them "no", they have to live with it.


That's no way to make friends.
 
2014-04-20 02:14:58 PM  

davebarnes: Jif sucks.
Skippy (the adult peanut butter) is great.


Yeah, I like the Skippy Natural - no sketchy chemicals, no replacing peanut oil with other oil....but it's actually smooth, and doesn't separate very much (and has enough sugar to taste good).
 
2014-04-20 02:18:37 PM  

pxlboy: lack of warmth: maelstrom0370: Maybe it's the "lying to kids" part, but something about this article reminded me of this unrelated CSB:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing) and it's quite the Amish playground. Anyways, me and the boy child (he was about 3 at the time) we're sitting in the park waiting for Mrs Maelstrom0370 to get out of work. I'm sitting next to this Amish woman while boy child chases sea gulls. My mom (boy child's Doodah) had told him they were chickens. All birds were chickens to him at this point. I was laughing and we were talking about him chasing those chickens. He runs off and Amish woman looks over at me questioningly. I explain the chicken thing and she nods and says "Well, he's too young to understand the lie"

No matter the reason, lying to kids is the worst thing parents can do to children.  It bugs me that people do that.  If I tell them something, they should be able to trust me that even if I'm wrong, it is what I know the truth to be.  I almost want to laugh and cry at the same time when it all comes back on parents later, and the kid goes in different direction because they can't trust anything their parents said to them.  Even if you are telling them not to do something bad, explain it using truth, as oppose to "because you could die" if you stay out late or some other rule that would not cause death.

This and the above post by PsychTherapist explain that nicely. Young parents are trying to be friends with their kids instead of parents.

You can be friends when they're older.


Unless you lie to them when they're children. No one wants to be friends with a liar.
 
2014-04-20 02:37:36 PM  

ThighsofGlory: Unless you lie to them when they're children. No one wants to be friends with a liar.


Many politicians would disagree with you.
 
2014-04-20 02:38:02 PM  

megarian: perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?

It's so upsetting that men are forced to marry and shoot seed into these harpies.


Yes. Men do this, too. And it's just as obnoxious.


That's why, male or female, one consciously avoids pretentious a'holes, and damn sure doesn't marry one.
 
2014-04-20 02:42:41 PM  

happydude45: megarian: perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?

It's so upsetting that men are forced to marry and shoot seed into these harpies.


Yes. Men do this, too. And it's just as obnoxious.

That's why, male or female, one consciously avoids pretentious a'holes, and damn sure doesn't marry one.


Exaaaaaaaaactly.

But, you know, stupid wimmin forcing marriage and babbys cause b*tches be crazy WHY WON'T ANY OF THESE STUPID C*NTS DATE ME I'M SO NICE?!?
 
2014-04-20 02:51:51 PM  

megarian: happydude45: megarian: perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?

It's so upsetting that men are forced to marry and shoot seed into these harpies.


Yes. Men do this, too. And it's just as obnoxious.

That's why, male or female, one consciously avoids pretentious a'holes, and damn sure doesn't marry one.

Exaaaaaaaaactly.

But, you know, stupid wimmin forcing marriage and babbys cause b*tches be crazy WHY WON'T ANY OF THESE STUPID C*NTS DATE ME I'M SO NICE?!?


You crack me up, and are spot on. When I was single, a condom prevented any unintended genetic consequences.

Be nice to everyone, but only associate with the drama-free variety of humans.
 
2014-04-20 02:58:14 PM  
My favorite cereal:
www.calvin-and-hobbes.org
 
2014-04-20 03:02:58 PM  

theorellior: Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.

A friend of mine actually got government cheese when he was a kid; he said that shiat was the hook-up. Best cheese he's ever tasted.


My grandmother got that stuff and dumped it on us, it was flat out nasty.  We'd say thank you, and discretely trash it when she left the house.
 
2014-04-20 03:12:18 PM  

whatsupchuck: I just buy a bunch of these and eat the chocolate part away first.


Eh, I just bought a ton of the Newman's Own organic peanut butter cups for cheaper since they were near expiration. They're also much much smaller, so it's taken a month to eat away enough chocolate to make a single PBJ on a gluten-free sea-saltine cracker. But the sacrifices you make to stay hip, I guess.
 
2014-04-20 03:32:15 PM  

pxlboy: lack of warmth: maelstrom0370: Maybe it's the "lying to kids" part, but something about this article reminded me of this unrelated CSB:
We used to live on Mackinaw Island (Michigan thing) and it's quite the Amish playground. Anyways, me and the boy child (he was about 3 at the time) we're sitting in the park waiting for Mrs Maelstrom0370 to get out of work. I'm sitting next to this Amish woman while boy child chases sea gulls. My mom (boy child's Doodah) had told him they were chickens. All birds were chickens to him at this point. I was laughing and we were talking about him chasing those chickens. He runs off and Amish woman looks over at me questioningly. I explain the chicken thing and she nods and says "Well, he's too young to understand the lie"

No matter the reason, lying to kids is the worst thing parents can do to children.  It bugs me that people do that.  If I tell them something, they should be able to trust me that even if I'm wrong, it is what I know the truth to be.  I almost want to laugh and cry at the same time when it all comes back on parents later, and the kid goes in different direction because they can't trust anything their parents said to them.  Even if you are telling them not to do something bad, explain it using truth, as oppose to "because you could die" if you stay out late or some other rule that would not cause death.

This and the above post by PsychTherapist explain that nicely. Young parents are trying to be friends with their kids instead of parents.

You can be friends when they're older.


Seriously, both of you, lightenup,Francis.jpg

My (now 8 yr old) boy child knows the difference between chickens and seagulls and doesn't regard me suspiciously when I tell him something. You go right a head and keep thinking that seagull chickens are the downfall of the parent/child dynamic if it makes you feel better though.
 
2014-04-20 03:34:11 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.


We used to get Skippy in big cans like that.  Used to slather on a tablespoon for every bite I took from an apple.

Damn, now I want to get me a big tub of peanut butter and a couple loaves of French bread for dippin'.
 
2014-04-20 03:36:23 PM  

stuffy: The real fun starts when these kids go out into the world on there own, and discover FOOD.


imgs.xkcd.com

When I was in my early 20s, I ate a whole lot of crap.  Fortunately, this is also the time when metabolism allows one to eat two gallons of ice cream in one sitting.
 
2014-04-20 03:36:44 PM  

Ker_Thwap: theorellior: Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.

A friend of mine actually got government cheese when he was a kid; he said that shiat was the hook-up. Best cheese he's ever tasted.

My grandmother got that stuff and dumped it on us, it was flat out nasty.  We'd say thank you, and discretely trash it when she left the house.


I thought the government cheese and pb were good.
 
2014-04-20 03:43:25 PM  

Mister Peejay: stuffy: The real fun starts when these kids go out into the world on there own, and discover FOOD.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 434x376]

When I was in my early 20s, I ate a whole lot of crap.  Fortunately, this is also the time when metabolism allows one to eat two gallons of ice cream in one sitting.


I don't mean this as a call out or anything; but I see people say this all the time....

Is there any medical evidence to support it?
 
2014-04-20 03:45:05 PM  

Mister Peejay: Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.

We used to get Skippy in big cans like that.  Used to slather on a tablespoon for every bite I took from an apple.

Damn, now I want to get me a big tub of peanut butter and a couple loaves of French bread for dippin'.


I grew up with government peanut butter, and oatmeal, and cheese - Welfare kid throughout most of the 70's. The peanut butter was OK, and I grew to hate oatmeal. I miss the cheese most of all, oddly enough.
 
2014-04-20 03:49:22 PM  

Son of Thunder: PsychoTherapist: What the fark happened to "I'm glad you liked it but we will not be buying it"?

About eighty percent of the "child and adolescent psychotherapy" I do is really behavioral parent training (and it would be higher if I were not seeing so many adolescents). And ninety-nine percent of the behavioral parent training is unwinding escape-maintained behaviors like this. Parents do all kinds of unhelpful things that are motivated by the desire to escape a conflict with their kid. Once we get that sorted out and remind them that yes, they really are the parents in this household, most of the Deep Emotional Problems they brought their kids in for therapy about sort themselves right the fark out. Not all of them, mind you. But a lot.

I'm not a fan of the Food Nazi / Collectors of Allergies phenomenon (which is more escape-maintained behavior, in this case to escape anxiety), but the parenting thing is more critical to me.

From a research psychologist to a practicing psychologist: THANK YOU!

Parents, you make take the word of two psychologists here: you will not FUBAR your children's psyches by saying "no" to them when the situation calls for it.


You're welcome, colleague. Keep the faith. And keep doing the work, even if no one listens, not even most of us clinical weenies.

I like how after fifty years of sleep and circadian rhythm research, a few, a tiny handful, of high schools are starting the day later. If everyone did that I think about 25% of my patient census would be sorted out right there.
 
2014-04-20 03:59:45 PM  

meow said the dog: The conversation did not have the happening and was the made up thing for the story of this.


I actually understand what you said for once, and yeah, this
 
2014-04-20 04:07:31 PM  

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


Pretty much.  Some men get on board with this kind of weird shiat, but only because their lives are way to comfortable so this is what they do to feel like they are challenging themselves, eat organic or become vegans, or something.

And I learned a long time ago to never trust a vegetarian.
 
2014-04-20 04:08:06 PM  
too, even
 
2014-04-20 04:14:34 PM  

perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?


Pretty much a women's thing.

A male cousin of mine married a Vegan and the promise was that the children they had would be raised Vegan, but at the point that they wanted to try meat dishes they would be allowed to do so and make choices of their own.  Well . . . funny how that changed when the oldest kid reached about 10 years old.  After years of seeing dad eat dishes like roast duck, ham sandwiches, etc. mom suddenly reneged and said NO the kids can't have meat.

Unsurprisingly, this is now driving a serious wedge into their marriage with the trust issues.  Dad held to his promise for 10 years and finds out mom was lying about what she said she would agree the children could do for themselves.

From the lying mom in the article, I can't wait to see the day that her child supervision discipline in the supermarket breaks down and the kid finds himself staring at lots of jars of Jif (and Skippy, Peter Pan, etc.) on the shelf at the supermarket.  Finding out mom lied will be a big trust issue, and then to find out she lied big time as the kid finds Jif at multiple/every supermarket?
 
2014-04-20 04:16:37 PM  

Mirandized: I love how a bunch of the early responders were sort of defending organics, even though there is not a shred of evidence that you can measure a difference between organics and non-organics. Peanut butter tastes better to most people with a little salt and sugar in it. As JerseyTim pointed out, you can buy peanut butter without anything added without having to resort to organics. I sometimes buy peanut butter without additives, but I usually end up adding salt.

Forbidden Doughnut: Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product

Milk has been pasteurized (cooked) and homogenized. That makes it taste entirely different. If you buy milk locally you might be getting unpasteurized milk from certified non-TB cows. I used to work at a cannery, and guess what: tomatoes, greens or carrots tasted different after they were cooked and canned. This is not an effect of organics versus non-organics.

/bottom line--organics is a money grab.


You speak like someone who thinks the whole point of organics is because one tastes different than the other. That's not the point at all.
 
2014-04-20 04:23:15 PM  

mrmopar5287: perigee: Do men do any of this crap? Or are they just cowed into submission to the line by the mad harpies they foolishly married and shot seed into?

Pretty much a women's thing.

A male cousin of mine married a Vegan and the promise was that the children they had would be raised Vegan, but at the point that they wanted to try meat dishes they would be allowed to do so and make choices of their own.  Well . . . funny how that changed when the oldest kid reached about 10 years old.  After years of seeing dad eat dishes like roast duck, ham sandwiches, etc. mom suddenly reneged and said NO the kids can't have meat.

Unsurprisingly, this is now driving a serious wedge into their marriage with the trust issues.  Dad held to his promise for 10 years and finds out mom was lying about what she said she would agree the children could do for themselves.

From the lying mom in the article, I can't wait to see the day that her child supervision discipline in the supermarket breaks down and the kid finds himself staring at lots of jars of Jif (and Skippy, Peter Pan, etc.) on the shelf at the supermarket.  Finding out mom lied will be a big trust issue, and then to find out she lied big time as the kid finds Jif at multiple/every supermarket?


I don't see that happening too soon since it sounds like the mother in the article does most of her shopping at Whole Foods.
 
2014-04-20 04:42:27 PM  
Remember when Annette Funicello was hawking Skippy? "No peanut butter is more nutritious than Skippy." (That's because they're all made out of peanuts)

/I'm eating peanuts and getting a kick out of this
 
2014-04-20 04:53:36 PM  

Abox: When I was a kid my mom tried replacing my Peter Pan Smooth with a crunchy, unspreadable, separated oil concoction.  It did not go well.


There's that brand of peanut-butter-in-a-bucket that showed up in the homes of all my friends when I was a kid. Nasty stuff. Welfare peanut butter, we called it, because there was a direct correlation between its presence and household income.

My best friend across the street practically lived on the stuff because his single mum needed to free up her income for smokes, beer, complaining to the landlord about conditions in her apartment in exchange for breaks on the rent, screaming at store clerks for not taking her three-cents-off coupons, and looking for a huzzbind. First night he had dinner at our house, he looked at the (relatively average; spaghetti and meatballs with mash on the side) dinner like it was a Thanksgiving spread.

I imagine if that kid ever got a jar of Jif his head would explode.
 
2014-04-20 05:01:01 PM  
And one day they will all die just like everyone else.
 
2014-04-20 05:18:44 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Mister Peejay: stuffy: The real fun starts when these kids go out into the world on there own, and discover FOOD.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 434x376]

When I was in my early 20s, I ate a whole lot of crap.  Fortunately, this is also the time when metabolism allows one to eat two gallons of ice cream in one sitting.

I don't mean this as a call out or anything; but I see people say this all the time....

Is there any medical evidence to support it?


Perhaps metabolism is not the right word.  Certainly I have noticed a trend toward requiring more moderation, fortunately, this is kind of a self-enforcing thing.  For instance, to carry on the ice cream tip, the time I was at the store when I was 30 and saw a quart of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream, remembered old times, bought it, scarfed it down, then spent the rest of the night throwing up and generally feeling miserable.  Okay, add another thing to the list of things I used to do but don't want to do anymore.

More recently, I found that the reason why I generally felt exhausted all of the time was some sort of low level lactose intolerance.  Cut out all milk/cheese from my diet and my energy levels have never been better.  Appetite has picked up tremendously, too.  (I do supplement calcium, more out of paranoia than anything)

I think this is why old farts like scotch.  Your body changes as well as your tastes.  I used to react physically to any kind of liquor.  Now, i find bourbon to be a wonderful beverage but scotch still makes me cringe and wince.  Give me 20-30 years and I'll probably be rattling off unpronounceable Gaelic names like nobody's business.
 
2014-04-20 05:26:56 PM  
The whole "organic" label is a crock of shiat.  Many organic farmers use animal manure on their crops.  The animals that produce the manure have been wormed and vaccinated.  The chemical substances found in animal wormers can remain in manure and soil for up to three months.  Therefore, organic food fertilized with most animal manure is not chemical free.  "Organic" food just cost a lot more and has very powerful lobbyists.
 
2014-04-20 06:15:36 PM  

Mirandized: I love how a bunch of the early responders were sort of defending organics, even though there is not a shred of evidence that you can measure a difference between organics and non-organics. Peanut butter tastes better to most people with a little salt and sugar in it. As JerseyTim pointed out, you can buy peanut butter without anything added without having to resort to organics. I sometimes buy peanut butter without additives, but I usually end up adding salt.

Forbidden Doughnut: Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product

Milk has been pasteurized (cooked heated very quickly to the point it kills the nastier germs in it) and homogenized. That makes it taste entirely different. If you buy milk locally you might be getting unpasteurized milk from certified non-TB cows. I used to work at a cannery, and guess what: tomatoes, greens or carrots tasted different after they were cooked and canned. This is not an effect of organics versus non-organics.

/bottom line--organics is a money grab.


I will also note that locavorism is better than going "organic only" (and probably the best option would be your own victory garden if space allows--and yes, even if you're in an apartment you CAN get tomatoes and peppers via large potted plants).

That said...please, please, please don't encourage people to go all pro-raw-milk:

a) Raw dairy products are probably the greatest preventable source of gastrointestinal illnesses and food poisoning in the pre-pasteurisation era, and are still a major cause of foodborne illness (right along with veggie-based foodborne illnesses, to be honest, and for much the same reasons as we'll get into in just a bit).

b) TB is among the less common of the very serious things you DO have to worry about with raw milk no matter how Bessie is certified or raised.  (For those who have never actually lived on or near a cattle farm: Cattle are functionally incontinent.  They will shiat and piss whenever and wherever, including occasionally in the milking stall itself, and even if Bessie has her teats disinfected every time she is milked (note: all dairies do this) and even if the equipment is disinfected between uses it can STILL get contaminated just from the E. coli resident in the air and the ground and in the general environment because cow shiat still gets everywhere.

c) The most common foodborne illness people would get from cow's milk in the pre-pasteurisation era was...not TB, but what we now recognise as foodborne diarrheal illness (primarily E. coli, but also Camphylobacter and the occasional fun viral illness like norovirus and rotavirus).  It actually had a cute little name of "summer sickness", and it was pretty much expected that kids would get the screaming shiats every summer from unpasteurised milk.  I really don't expect it was all that much fun for the kids in question, much as it's probably not so fun for people to get the screaming shiats on a Poop Cruise.

On a darker note, summertime diarrheal illness linked to consumption of raw milk was a not-infrequent killer of kids in the pre-pasteurisation era (enough that even back in the 20s--before pasteurisation was a thing in much of the US--parenting manuals implored parents to boil the everliving shiat out of milk, cooking it FAR more than the short exposure that milk receives in the pasteurisation process, in an attempt to kill the germs that unavoidably found their way in aforementioned milk).

Seeing as the Summer Milk Shiats are even more distant in the memory of Americans than the whole concept of entire towns going full-on President Madagascar because of polio epidemics (and yes, before the Salk vaccine, entire towns WOULD order "SHUT.  DOWN.  EVERYTHING" in response to polio epidemics because polio was just that farking horrible of a disease), it's not surprising to see folks forgetting about the whole "E. coli in the moo juice" thing.

(And on an even darker note--back then, they didn't have a whole lot documented re haemorrhagic enterotoxin-producing E. coli strains.  Now, we tend to have a known outbreak of foodborne illness involving an enterotoxin-producing strain of E. coli that can make you bleed out and/or literally piss out your kidneys.  Yes, these tend to be connected to...wait for it...beef.)

d) The whole reason we have bad issues with veggie-borne foodborne illness is the same reason kids got the Summer Shiats--poop getting into the soil, poop actually getting into the water supply and being taken up by the plants (there's a reason a LOT of these outbreaks tend to be traced to leafy veggies).  Part of it is due to use of animal-based fertiliser not properly treated, part of it is due to US farmers (who don't actually want to pay anyone a living wage to do so) using itinerant immigrant labour...who typically aren't provided porta-potties so they literally have to shiat and pick...and who tend to be from areas of the world with rather different E. coli strains in their poop that tend to throw the delicate guts of Americans into screaming fits (Montezuma's Revenge, now at your dinner table!).

e) Getting back to the supposed "cooking" of milk--pasteurisation is explicitly designed to heat milk only up enough to kill the nasties in it without denaturing it too much (certainly far less than the OTHER method they had to kill nasties in milk back then which involved literally boiling the shiat out of it).  We could probably do something with irradiation, but the same folks singing the praises of raw milk would almost certainly launch a Class 5 Shiatstorm over the concept of OH NO YOU'RE NUKING MILK!!!!1one!  (Seriously, irradiating foodstuffs to nuke the bad germs without denaturing proteins at all has been around for the better part of a decade or two...and is not available widely because the Crunchy Granola Followers of Nurgle who don't get their kids their shots and give them raw milk would practically accuse you of giving their kid Liquid Chernobyl if you sold irradiated milk.)

f) Also, as an aside--the main thing that changes the flavour profile in most store-bought milk is NOT pasteurisation but homogenisation.  It is possible in many areas to get pasteurised, but non-homogenised milk (where the cream still floats to the top)--those I know who've had raw milk and pasteurised non-homogenised milk will note they are indistinguishable.

There are also differences in flavour profiles based on the breed of cattle.  Many of the "raw-milk share" dairies tend to specialise in heritage breeds or (at most) in Jersey cattle, which tend to produce a richer, more flavourful milk higher in butterfat.  Most commercial dairies use Holstein cattle which have less butterfat in their milk.

/actually have an aunt-in-law who raises champion Jersey cattle, very well taken care of, clean, pampered, best treated moos I've seen (because happy moos give good milk)
//her response on whether she'd drink raw milk can be summed up best as "Hell no, are you farking mad, I KNOW that cows shiat on everything"
 
2014-04-20 06:57:41 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Ker_Thwap: theorellior: Mid_mo_mad_man: Anybody here grow up with government peanut butter? Came in a 5 pound can. It was the best.

A friend of mine actually got government cheese when he was a kid; he said that shiat was the hook-up. Best cheese he's ever tasted.

My grandmother got that stuff and dumped it on us, it was flat out nasty.  We'd say thank you, and discretely trash it when she left the house.

I thought the government cheese and pb were good.


Both are great - its the meat in the can that not even a dog can eat
 
2014-04-20 07:11:40 PM  
Great Porn Dragon:poop actually getting into the water supply and being taken up by the plants (

That was a really cool read until I got to that line. Poop in water gets inside plants. You got a link that explains that? I've eaten a lot of plants. Since I don't recall ever eating poops, I'd imagine that I'd probably notice the taste difference. oh! Wait! Poops is everywhere! Maybe all plants have the taste of poop.

But the water comes from forests. It drains from everywhere. There are many kinds of poops in the forest. Does this mean that all plants have MANY DIFFERENT kinds of poop inside them? Does, for example, bear poop inside a plant make it taste of bear vs. cow? You have opened my eyes to a world of poop infused vegetables that II did not know even existed.

funnyasduck.net
 
2014-04-20 07:48:13 PM  
Hmmm... the state is instructing me to avoid certain fish in some river zones and not to fish at all in other rivers thanks to the runoff of petisiced and fertilizers from farms upstream. So there is some impact.
 
2014-04-20 08:00:01 PM  
Great Porn Dragon:
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The True Raw Milk Believers will just raise their hands and tell you to get out of here with that junk science.  Their grandparents and great-grandparents and great-great-grandparents lived just fine without that adulterated, tasteless swill!  Just ignore that half of those peoples' siblings probably died...
 
2014-04-20 08:13:34 PM  

Weatherkiss: ThighsofGlory: Unless you lie to them when they're children. No one wants to be friends with a liar.

Many politicians would disagree with you.


They're lying.
 
2014-04-20 08:13:47 PM  

70Ford: Great Porn Dragon:poop actually getting into the water supply and being taken up by the plants (

That was a really cool read until I got to that line. Poop in water gets inside plants. You got a link that explains that? I've eaten a lot of plants. Since I don't recall ever eating poops, I'd imagine that I'd probably notice the taste difference. oh! Wait! Poops is everywhere! Maybe all plants have the taste of poop.

But the water comes from forests. It drains from everywhere. There are many kinds of poops in the forest. Does this mean that all plants have MANY DIFFERENT kinds of poop inside them? Does, for example, bear poop inside a plant make it taste of bear vs. cow? You have opened my eyes to a world of poop infused vegetables that II did not know even existed.

[funnyasduck.net image 600x400]


There's good poop and bad poop in that regards.  You'll notice there isn't a market for cat poop based fertilizer.  Whoever picks up your trash probably advises you to double bag your cat poop before disposing of it and especially not to flush it.
 
2014-04-20 08:28:17 PM  

DittoToo: There's good poop and bad poop in that regards. You'll notice there isn't a market for cat poop based fertilizer. Whoever picks up your trash probably advises you to double bag your cat poop before disposing of it and especially not to flush it.


Uh oh, there goes years of training my cats to use the toilet.  Thanks a lot, garbage dudes!
 
2014-04-20 08:37:10 PM  

BumpInTheNight: DittoToo: There's good poop and bad poop in that regards. You'll notice there isn't a market for cat poop based fertilizer. Whoever picks up your trash probably advises you to double bag your cat poop before disposing of it and especially not to flush it.

Uh oh, there goes years of training my cats to use the toilet.  Thanks a lot, garbage dudes!


My bad, your water authority probably advises not to flush and the trash service recommends double bagging.
 
2014-04-20 08:58:59 PM  
Forbidden Doughnut:

Not really on the "organic foods" train, but organic milk tastes WAY better than conventional milk does, IMHO.

/ possibly because it's relatively local (in my case), and hasn't been stored for very long...
// in this case, I'm happy to pay more $$$ for a superior product


Yeah, milk you can taste. The real predictor to me for animal products, though, is it factory or fresh-local / free range? Not necessarily organic. I've had eggs from my nephew's chickens that beat (ha) the supermarket kind to hell & back. Take a local chicken and a supermarket chicken (even organic), season them only with salt and pepper, roast 'em. There is a HUGE taste difference.

Fresh fruit and veg, if there's only organic vs. non, not a lot of taste difference.  Fresh and local, though, and not grown to the impossible sizes that clog the supermarkets now, there is definitely a solid taste difference.
 
2014-04-20 10:16:46 PM  
Hilarious.  I put organic food nuts just a step or two above the anti-vaccine set: going way out of their way to avoid something completely safe based on nothing more than rumor and assumption that modern equals bad.  They'll swear up and down that organic is safer and healthier even though that's never been proven by anyone, ever.  Then they'll cling to, "Well even so, it still tastes so much better because it's all natural."  But give them a taste test (as Penn and Teller did - Google it) and non-organic usually wins because it's often larger and more robust than organic.  Plenty of nutrients and lack of pests has that effect on produce.  Who'd have guessed?

But whatever.  At least they're not hurting anyone.  (The only thing that puts them above the anti-vacc nuts.)  Other than their bank accounts, that is.  So when I see them in the grocery store I just point and laugh.
 
2014-04-20 10:20:39 PM  

ThighsofGlory: Weatherkiss: ThighsofGlory: Unless you lie to them when they're children. No one wants to be friends with a liar.

Many politicians would disagree with you.

They're lying.


ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2014-04-20 11:25:18 PM  
The ease with which people lie to children is disgusting. The sad part is they often remember all this nonsense as adults.
 
2014-04-20 11:38:25 PM  

zarker: What the hell is everyone talking about with this "stirring" nonsense? Just get some God dammed Skippy and call it a day already.


We like the Skippy Natural - not organic, but don't feel guilty feeding it to the little man.
 
2014-04-20 11:58:44 PM  

70Ford: Maybe all plants have the taste of poop.


You got that right.

But on a related note. Natural peanut butter belongs on a shelf in hell with skim milk.

I buy organic milk and eggs simply because of all the shiat doctors put us through when  we hadkids. Don't do this. It gets into the baby. Don't do that, it gets into the milk. I assume the same holds true for cows and shiat.
 
2014-04-21 05:18:43 AM  

Mister Peejay: Perhaps metabolism is not the right word. Certainly I have noticed a trend toward requiring more moderation, fortunately, this is kind of a self-enforcing thing.


Unfortunately, if it actually was self-enforcing, we wouldn't have 250-300 lb fatasses being a common sight and 600-1000 being known. This kind of correction only happens if you give something up for other reasons first, and the body's tolerance for it slowly disappears. In particular, humans stop producing lactase in the absence of lactose, so dairy intolerance skyrockets as soon as you quit dairy. It takes weeks of consuming it to produce enough again and rebuild tolerance, and it'll never be as high as a child's. Same deal with alcohol and liver alcoholase.
 
2014-04-21 07:35:15 AM  
White people problems....
 
2014-04-21 12:37:38 PM  
They also have an organic version, but this one is great. Soooo damn creamy.  Only ingredient: peanuts.


That's the problem. I don't want smashed peanuts. I want peanut butter. Needs some additives.
 
2014-04-21 02:54:11 PM  
I'm not sure about Jif, but I think Skippy is supposed to be all right. I think they use cane sugar and honey to sweeten it instead of HFCS. Of course all these products have partially hydrogenated vegetable oil in them, so I don't bother with 'em as staples around the house... really they need to develop better/stable preservatives.

I mean, if you're totally watching your sugar - then it's not a great thing to eat, but if you're worried about just not eating garbage and trying to stick with "natural" ingredients (not a bad thing really) then I think that's the score.
 
2014-04-21 03:59:47 PM  
The most important takeaway from all this: making sure other parents know that you're better than they are.

That's why you pay more. The "health" benefits are just small bonus.
 
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