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(CNN)   The KKK just needs a rebranding for its message to get through   (cnn.com) divider line 76
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2014-04-20 03:01:29 AM  
9 votes:

staplermofo: The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans.  They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off.  It's important for that message to get out.  The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong.  It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not.  At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting.  It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members.  There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.


They're not just wrong.  They're farking scumbags.

They want to exclude a large portion of society (a majority of society outside of the West, really) FROM society because of their genetics.

"Separation of the races", however peaceful, still bars anyone not-white from using the public facilities, the stores, the workplaces, and the education system that the white people get.

I don't care that they're not out there lynching people anymore, they are still actively trying to ruin lives by preventing them from having the same opportunities and to be treated like human beings.
2014-04-20 12:36:55 AM  
9 votes:
Okay okay okay, here's how you do it, KKK. Before you light your crosses on fire, attach yourselves to them. You'll be like race martyrs or something, message received, we'll totally get it then. Promise.
2014-04-20 06:32:05 AM  
7 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south


And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.
2014-04-20 06:31:41 AM  
7 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is DemocratConsertive.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping RepublicansLiberals from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republicanfor Liberals

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was DemocratsConseratives....and DemocratsConseratives

  were the Klan members in the south

FTFY
2014-04-20 02:49:08 AM  
7 votes:
Isn't that what Republicans keep saying about themselves?  They just can't get their message out?

No, we understand your messages.  We're repelled and disgusted by them.
2014-04-20 10:34:42 AM  
5 votes:
www.smbc-comics.com
Not a science article, but still very applicable.  Thanks, CNN.
2014-04-20 07:32:30 AM  
4 votes:

friday13: Educate yourself.


He knows full farking well that southern politicians regardless of party lines voted against the CRA.  He also knows full farking well the only southern politicians who voted for it were Democrats.  And he knows full farking well that all the racists bailed for the Republican party in 1964.

He just doesn't want to admit that his party is a refuge for farking racists, and lacks the spine the Democrats showed fifty years ago in kicking most of the human filth out of their party even though they knew it would cost them the south for generations.

I wish the Republicans had even a shred of that sort of moral decency.
2014-04-20 05:28:22 AM  
4 votes:
Look, no organization that has been repeatedly on Jerry Springer is going to get a whole lot of traction in the world.

Also,

prettyfakes.com

/youtube goodness: Christmas with the Clan, Springer 1996
2014-04-20 03:18:17 AM  
4 votes:

BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).


Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?
2014-04-20 03:12:45 AM  
4 votes:
Modern hate groups are lightning rods who serve little purpose beyond making the politically active bigots appear sane by comparison.

Even then Ron "newsletter" Paul is a succesful household name.

Racism is alive and well, it just hides better.
2014-04-20 11:13:50 AM  
3 votes:

GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.


Which party is trying to make it harder for non-whites to vote?

A few loudmouthed morans, whom I agree exist, are nothing compared to actual polities that are designed to be detrimental towards everyone but white males.
2014-04-20 09:26:34 AM  
3 votes:
i512.photobucket.com
2014-04-20 07:45:22 AM  
3 votes:
FTA: The Klan could change its name, get a smooth-talking spokesperson, replace the robes with suits and take off those ridiculous hats, but underneath, people would recognize its message is the same.

upload.wikimedia.org

Yep.
2014-04-20 07:22:07 AM  
3 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.


In the case of Wallace, it was a Democratic President that mobilized the National Guard to force his schools to integrate when they gave the proverbial finger to a court order to do so, and years later he would renounce his support of segregation and express regret over ever having supported it.

As for both Atwater and the Souther Strategy, how farking stupid, ignorant, and or dishonest do you have to be to concoct revisionist history on something that's detailed in goddamn wikipedia in the year 2014? You're dealing with people far more knowledgeable than you will find in your Klan meetings Zeke.

From wiki:
Bob Herbert, a New York Times columnist, reported a 1981 interview with Lee Atwater, published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Alexander P. Lamis, in which Lee Atwater discussed politics in the South:

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*bong*, n*bong*
 , n*bong* ." By 1968 you can't say "n*bong* " - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*bong* , n*bong* ."
(language cleaned up to respect the Fark filters)

Is it rude to intellectually depants the mentally retarded and/or psychologically unsound this early on a Sunday morning? Anyway look at how tiny your jimmy is.
2014-04-20 07:15:33 AM  
3 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: Crotchrocket Slim: FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.

George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.


Educate yourself.
2014-04-20 06:58:35 AM  
3 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: Nope...the Klan were Democrats


yes they were. they were also conservatives.

FloridaFarkTag: ...and one of their main objectives was to keep Blacks from voting GOP


yes...because the GOP wasn't the conservative party that they are today.

FloridaFarkTag: Obviously, you watch a bit too much MSNBC....


*yawn*
2014-04-20 04:33:47 AM  
3 votes:

cc_rider: "What this guy just did set back everything I've been trying to do for years," said Ancona, who leads the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

They sure are good at playing the victim card, though.

World's smallest farking violin etc.


The Jewish Center shooter?  I thought he DID what they've been trying to do for years..
2014-04-20 03:55:58 AM  
3 votes:
So they're going with the Republican strategy, then?  "Our message isn't the problem, we just have to explain it again to these idiots."
2014-04-20 12:51:39 AM  
3 votes:
fta "Facebook keeps deleting my posts," he said.

Ever feel like you're being singled out and treated differently, dumbass?
2014-04-20 11:25:06 AM  
2 votes:

GoSlash27: ^ Classic example.
 There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.


You're right, it might be that they hate all poor people and that it's just coincidental they push economic policies that limit upward mobility for all Americans, and while they know that as a result of slavery most African Americans are still stuck in poverty. That could just be a bonus to them.

And since I'm a black guy myself,I must necessarily assume my place amongst all of the other black folks by supporting such policies.

I'm a farking white guy and I oppose rightwing policies as they screw us all. The fact that you focus in on the racial aspect demonstrates just how lame you are. If you are actually black you're also ignoring how much the KKK and GOP's policies on economics and immigration happen to coincide.

And let it be known that pretending to be something you're not online to try to lend credibility to your position is a pretty well-known rightwing tactic.

After all, these poor unfortunate black folks simply aren't capable of fending for themselves without help.

And this is a strawman, as liberals never have said or believed this. Economic upward mobility in this nation has become exceptionally nonexistent as the middle class has shrunk, affecting all Americans of all racial backgrounds. But but but it's only about race!

 Race baiting, racial identity politics, assumption of superiority. Right to my face and used as a weapon.

 Righties don't do this.


As I said you're ignoring or utterly ignorant of obvious dog whistles.
2014-04-20 09:23:42 AM  
2 votes:
Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.
2014-04-20 09:14:00 AM  
2 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south


A lot has changed since 1867.

And I would say that it's a safe bet that few people today who are KKK supporters or sympathizers voted for the top of the Democratic ticket in 2008 and 2012, wouldn't you think?
2014-04-20 08:29:35 AM  
2 votes:

cc_rider: Huh, I thought they already re-branded?

https://www.freespeech.org/text/tea-party-nation-now-promoting-opera ti on-american-spring


The tea party is a rebranding of the John Birtch Society, which is similar to, but not the same as, the KKK.
2014-04-20 08:09:06 AM  
2 votes:

DemonEater: friday13: Educate yourself.

He knows full farking well that southern politicians regardless of party lines voted against the CRA.  He also knows full farking well the only southern politicians who voted for it were Democrats.  And he knows full farking well that all the racists bailed for the Republican party in 1964.

He just doesn't want to admit that his party is a refuge for farking racists, and lacks the spine the Democrats showed fifty years ago in kicking most of the human filth out of their party even though they knew it would cost them the south for generations.

I wish the Republicans had even a shred of that sort of moral decency.


Ain't that the truth....
2014-04-20 06:49:45 AM  
2 votes:
Gee why all the forgetting about Prohibition, which was a big Klan cause -- because the blacks, browns, immigrants, gays, Irish, Germans, Papists, Jews, eastern and southern Europeans would be so screwed without their booze?
2014-04-20 06:38:08 AM  
2 votes:

Phil Moskowitz: All you need for racism to flourish is lowered standard of living, lack of a robust job market, a broken education system. Generally just make people suffer and they'll blame a visible minority instead of who is actually to blame. Hitler figured this shiat out quick like.


Frank Herbert observed this in Dune, as did JMS in Babylon 5. At least they danced around these concepts (both were/are excellent students of history).
2014-04-20 06:33:03 AM  
2 votes:
All you need for racism to flourish is lowered standard of living, lack of a robust job market, a broken education system. Generally just make people suffer and they'll blame a visible minority instead of who is actually to blame. Hitler figured this shiat out quick like.
2014-04-20 06:23:39 AM  
2 votes:

doglover: The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.


Seriously don't take their propaganda seriously, the KKK always was about being pissed at the Union for freeing the slaves and forcing the Old South into modernity. Also "Ku Klux Klan" is as "Greek" as Pig Latin is Latin. And what kind of uneducated boob spells "clan" with a K?
/and what they stand for is disgusting
2014-04-20 05:16:50 AM  
2 votes:

doglover: The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.


That part didn't last long; but yeah. They used to literally do frat-boy stunts like wearing an extra head made from a coconut, and then handing it off to a scared slave, saying "Here, hold my head a minute", or pouring a gallon of water into a hidden container under their robes and chortling "Boy I ain't had a drink since the battle of Antietam and you sure get thirsty in Hell!"

They might well have vanished as the dumbass country boys they were had Nathan Bedford Forrest not discovered them up there in Pulaski.
2014-04-20 04:23:12 AM  
2 votes:
"What this guy just did set back everything I've been trying to do for years," said Ancona, who leads the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

They sure are good at playing the victim card, though.

World's smallest farking violin etc.
2014-04-20 03:35:21 AM  
2 votes:
I think the rebranding can definitely work. Le Pen the younger did it in France and they've started winning local elections, which they never could before. This stuff resonates more in bad times, and quite a lot of people are still seeing bad times in the US. So, a nice coat of paint to claim that "oh, sure the races would all part amicably and we'd all be better off" is probably enough to assuage the guilt someone might now feel for believing in something like this, and let people start taking them seriously again. They've thankfully got a long row to go, but if they do this right they can start moving on toward the mainstream again.

/ I'll take "conclusions I wish I didn't believe in" for $1000, Alex
2014-04-20 03:21:43 AM  
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).

Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?


I figure it's just the name least likely to make anyone think of Blackwater.
2014-04-20 02:40:31 AM  
2 votes:
The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans.  They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off.  It's important for that message to get out.  The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong.  It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not.  At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting.  It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members.  There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.
2014-04-20 02:28:32 AM  
2 votes:
Violent racist thugs need a make over?  WTF is this country coming to?
2014-04-19 11:36:38 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA: "No."
2014-04-20 05:01:44 PM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: Racism is not a prerequisite for siding with the conservative viewpoint.



True.
kaystreet.files.wordpress.com
It doesn't hurt, though.
2014-04-20 04:55:23 PM  
1 votes:

Crotchrocket Slim: blastoh: GoSlash27: *crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness

"no one is paying attention to my trolling anymore... waaaaaa"

That he never responds when questions are posed to him- or if he does it's two bit woo- doesn't help.bobothemagnificent: Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.

I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.
[img.fark.net image 600x480]

I'd ask you to explain why they have the exact same policy platform, or how the platform of the Tea Party differs from the KKK.


Hmm, let me think.
15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.
http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

From the official TEA party site.

Now, looking at those core beliefs, which is their platform, I fail to see anything about "the white man is superior" or "blacks and Jews are the cause of all our problems so lets lynch them", which is a pretty accurate summarization of the KKK platform.  Actually, I see nothing about racism in their platform.  I actually looked and saw nothing about discrimination, or subtle racism, or overt racism, or anything racist.

Furthermore, they have denounced racism.  They denounced it 4 years ago.
http://www.thenationalteapartyfederation.com/uploads/NTPF_CBC_Announ ce ment.pdf

Racism, despite what Fark Liberals think, is not a principal of the tea party movement.  Having other members of congress and the press repeatedly lie about this just goes to show how ignorant they are or they are attempting to stop a grass roots movement that has had enough of the DC shenanigans.
2014-04-20 02:50:46 PM  
1 votes:

blastoh: GoSlash27: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_polit i cs/march_2014/53_oppose_stricter_gun_control_laws

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-concerns-about-voter-fra ud -spur-broad-support-for-voter-id-laws/2012/08/11/40db3aba-e2fb-11e1-ae 7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.as px

 If these poll results are attributable to "racism", then Obama cannot possibly be President. Ergo, they are *not* attributable to "racism".

 I would've thought it wouldn't have been necessary to spell it out.


my point above, about republicans needing guns to protect themselves from thugs wasn't a reference to gun control, but a reference to the GOP being scared of black people.  See also: treyvon martin

but you know this already...  this is how we know you are trolling.


 Uhh... Your "point" (such as it is) is both fallacious and a weak attempt to dodge mine. Which is, after all, what you posted it in response to.
 "Being scared of black people" is a trait that you ascribed to them. But really, there are all sorts of non- racist reasons to support self- defense, aren't there?
 You've constructed a circular argument here.
2014-04-20 02:21:45 PM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: GoSlash27: that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.

Most African-Americans see a partisan issue with that, and you'd have to admit that support for Voter ID laws tend to fall with lowering economic status, or what rational people call "class" issues. Structural issues along class and racial lines tend to reinforce each other. This is why people can argue whether Obama is an 'elitist thug' or whether he's "Black" enough. Not that you've responded in good faith so far to anybody, but this will give the others in the thread something to ponder.


I'm not sure if you're referring to just one of these topics, or all 3. Either way, your response has nothing to do with the point: Racism is not a prerequisite for siding with the conservative viewpoint. If people had to be "racist" to disapprove of gun control, voting without ID, or Obama, then surely they wouldn't have voted for a black guy for President.
 There are racists on the right and I've said so repeatedly throughout this thread. But it's intellectually dishonest to ascribe "racism" to everyone that disagrees with you, as if *that* is the only possible explanation.
2014-04-20 01:49:14 PM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.


Most African-Americans see a partisan issue with that, and you'd have to admit that support for Voter ID laws tend to fall with lowering economic status, or what rational people call "class" issues. Structural issues along class and racial lines tend to reinforce each other. This is why people can argue whether Obama is an 'elitist thug' or whether he's "Black" enough. Not that you've responded in good faith so far to anybody, but this will give the others in the thread something to ponder.
2014-04-20 01:39:23 PM  
1 votes:

Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...


And there it is, folks. Anyone else here think it's totes kewl to call a black guy an "uncle tom" in front of God and everybody? Or are you like me and find it insulting and repugnant?
/racist lefty is racist
// not the first time
/// won't be the last
2014-04-20 01:34:08 PM  
1 votes:
blastoh:


Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues.
So of course they aren't going to bring up race, because they don't want to address any of the race issues.

And probably the reason you don't see it from "uber-conservatives" is they don't have the balls to look you in the face and tell you what they think.

but please, remind us which ideology needs guns to protect them from "thugs" and using dog whistles to suggest everyone on welfare is black, all the while trying to make it harder for certain demographics to vote.

Remind us again which ideology acted like the world ended when Obama was elected.    Remind us again which party the KKK, Aryan Nation, etc are likely to vote for.

please, proceed.


 Could be. Could *also* be that the mainstream righties simply don't reduce every argument to race. Could be that attributing the racism of the whacko fringe to the right as a whole is a composition fallacy at best or an attempt to demonize the opposition at worst.
 Could also be that, couldn't it?

 I happen to agree with the notion that Americans should have a right to protect themselves from thugs, that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.
 It could just be that a large chunk of Americans (if not an outright majority) happen to agree with me on these issues and more. The same Americans who happened to vote for the black guy for President.
 Could be that.
2014-04-20 01:33:10 PM  
1 votes:

Crotchrocket Slim: Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK


African-American political conservatism is not a gimmick. Its one of the many politics to emerge in the later 19th century and get a boost with the major social transformations of the Great Migration. Especially in the use of entrepreneurship and boosting of social morals black conservatism has been a potent, if underacknowledged force. Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam were not 'LBJ great society liberals' in any sense.
2014-04-20 01:30:31 PM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: tirob:

Well, if you're black, they wouldn't say it to your face for obvious reasons.  However, the belief that blacks are "inferior" has an agenda behind it most of the time whether you are willing to admit it or not; it is **often** a weapon.   A great many people who believe that blacks are "inferior" also believe as a corollary that we should implement social policies that reflect this belief--up to and including segregation, denial of voting rights for blacks, or even worse in the most extreme cases.

 No argument here. My point is that racists exist on both sides and the ones on the left *will* say it to your face. Some folks around here were kind enough to provide examples.


Even the most patronizing and paternalistic leftie won't argue for second class citizenship for blacks or for the suppression of black votes, though.  There's that in their favor.
2014-04-20 01:08:07 PM  
1 votes:
Crotchrocket Slim:
Wharrgarbl

I've already accepted your surrender. Our conversation ended when you began hurling insults like an enraged chimp with a mitt full of feces.
 I will be happy to discuss this with anyone who can do so without name- calling. You're clearly not on that list.

/Happy Easter
2014-04-20 12:58:03 PM  
1 votes:
2014-04-20 12:56:09 PM  
1 votes:
lesquestionscomposent.fr
2014-04-20 12:46:39 PM  
1 votes:
"You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack
2014-04-20 12:04:26 PM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.


Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor
2014-04-20 11:57:47 AM  
1 votes:
Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.
2014-04-20 11:56:56 AM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.


Why is it that conservatives never use the term "trapped" to describe white folks (who utilize social services far more) but insist that unless we dismantle the system minorities will never learn to fend for themselves?
2014-04-20 11:51:55 AM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable


Well, bless your heart.
2014-04-20 11:48:19 AM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.

And when the GOP targets the inner city- demographically which contains the lionshare of the African American population- for budget cuts to such things as public education- which I can tell you is farking necessary to lift oneself out of poverty- and leaves it in place in rural areas which are historically "white" areas, that's not intentional racial engineering at least by the GOP. Sure. Keep ignoring the obvious.

Funny, I found that escaping the public school system was what did the trick for me.


Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?
2014-04-20 11:42:53 AM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

But  GoSlash27, who no one in this thread has ever met IRL, says he's black. Therefor whatever he says must totally be true, and universally applicable to the whole black experience, even though the mass majority of black people vote Democrat. Or something.

Anyone who's interested is capable of verifying my race if they choose to. I don't have a lot going on today, so if you just want to insist on being publicly pantsed, all you have to do is accuse me of lying about my race.

/all the same to me


No one cares. You're posting woo that's not smart or true or acceptable no matter the color of your skin. You also keep finding excuses not to actually respond to the meat of my posts, mostly as you got nothing.
2014-04-20 11:41:26 AM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.


And when the GOP targets the inner city- demographically which contains the lionshare of the African American population- for budget cuts to such things as public education- which I can tell you is farking necessary to lift oneself out of poverty- and leaves it in place in rural areas which are historically "white" areas, that's not intentional racial engineering at least by the GOP. Sure. Keep ignoring the obvious.
2014-04-20 11:35:07 AM  
1 votes:
Aren't they just called teabaggers now?
2014-04-20 11:30:56 AM  
1 votes:

GoSlash27: If only that were true. Unfortunately, the right doesn't have a monopoly on such policies.
 First example that comes to mind is the welfare system that is designed to break up families and force people into dependency so they will vote a certain way.


I grew up on welfare, and using public aid I went to college, got into tech support and now have a fulltime job where I pay income taxes every year. This rightwing myth is just that, a myth. You're also forgetting that the New Deal brought us out of the Great Depression and benefitted all Americans of all racial backgrounds.

 The war on drugs also comes to mind.

Which was started by Republicans, made more serious by Republicans, and has been used as a wedge issue by Republicans and been used to incarcerate minorities at a massively higher rate than whites by Republicans. Why on earth are we treating marijuana- which was made illegal partially for pretty racist (anti-Mexican and anti-Jazz musician) reasons- treated like heroine and crack in the legal system?
2014-04-20 11:11:06 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Actually, it appears I was lied to.

They were less a social club and more a guerrilla organization.

But, and this is important, they weren't racists. They wanted to lynch northerners of all colors, not just blacks. The "Aryan Blood" stuff didn't come out until the second and third Klans. Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another. It's entirely possible one of them could come to their senses and we might get the happy, friendly Klan. But given the downward derp spiral they've been in, I doubt it.


They started as a group of disgruntled former Confederate soldiers who were angry because (1) they lost and (2) the social orders were overturned because the former slaves became soldiers and politicians and received educations and gathered wealth, something the average Southern white peasant farmer/Confederate veteran could not become (and something only a small percentage of former slaves could become, but anger is never rational). Their targets were the Northerners and their Southern agents, but their targets were also those who decided to upset the pre-war social orders. And the Southerners didn't even need the Klan to enforce the old orders, as lynchings and intimidations occurred by large uncovered mobs as well as by hooded men.
2014-04-20 11:05:36 AM  
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GoSlash27: tirob: GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.
.

All of that has got to be frustrating to deal with if you're black.  I take it, however, that you're not as offended when right wingers express the opinion that blacks are an inferior species of human being.  It's been known to happen from time to time; I could cite you chapter and verse if you like.

As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.


Yay for pretending the rest of us haven't caught on to obvious dog whistles!

Why don't you go read some old Ron Paul newsletters you dishonest jackass.
2014-04-20 11:04:32 AM  
1 votes:
When did Clarence Thomas start posting on Fark?
2014-04-20 10:54:13 AM  
1 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south


Why is it you keep ignoring the mid 1960's?? Especially the years 1964 to 1973. When most racist Democrats (both north and south) jumped ship to the GOP. Your ignorance of history and it's misplacement of the facts is denial at it's best and flat out lying at it's worst.
2014-04-20 10:44:15 AM  
1 votes:

Fark You I'm Drunk: Leave it to CNN to write an article about something as serious as the KKK and start it with the words "Pointy hats".


"Pointy hats for pointy heads" sums up the Klan quite nicely, though. It's a good start, at least.
2014-04-20 10:42:20 AM  
1 votes:
 The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.

 They are always the first to inject race into politics and (not coincidentally) the only ones to hurl racial epithets like "Uncle Tom" at me.

 This is certainly not to imply that there isn't racism in the Republican ranks. There is and I've seen it. But speaking as somebody who's dealt with it my whole life, the lefties have been far worse about it.
2014-04-20 10:09:42 AM  
1 votes:

Lee Jackson Beauregard: FloridaFarkTag: George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

1) Elvis has left the building.  If any of those guys were on the ballot anywhere, I might care what party they belonged to.

2) George Wallace quit the Democratic Party and ran as a third party candidate.

3) Jesse Helms.  Strom Thurmond.

4) Elvis has left the building.  If either of those guys were on the ballot anywhere, I might care what party they belonged to.

5) I care what the Democrats and Republicans stand for today.  There's plenty of reasoned criticism to offer toward the Democrats.  But whatever reason the Republicans ever possessed left the building the moment that first plane hit the towerReagan won the GOP Presidential primary.

2014-04-20 09:48:11 AM  
1 votes:

staplermofo: I would watch every episode of Extreme Makeover: Hate Group Edition.


The "after" picture is a southern gentlemen, immaculately groomed and wearing a fitted suit, holding a sign that says "I respectfully oppose your ethnic and sociological diversity. Please emigrate"
2014-04-20 09:45:26 AM  
1 votes:

bobothemagnificent: Rann Xerox: FTA: The Klan could change its name, get a smooth-talking spokesperson, replace the robes with suits and take off those ridiculous hats, but underneath, people would recognize its message is the same.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 315x438]

Yep.

Dude, I'm not that big of a fan of Pat, but not even he is that bad.  Seriously.  He's mellowed a lot in his old age.


Yeah, now he just writes swoony paeans to that hunky Vlad Putin.
2014-04-20 09:42:53 AM  
1 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


1) Elvis has left the building.  If any of those guys were on the ballot anywhere, I might care what party they belonged to.

2) George Wallace quit the Democratic Party and ran as a third party candidate.

3) Jesse Helms.  Strom Thurmond.

4) Elvis has left the building.  If either of those guys were on the ballot anywhere, I might care what party they belonged to.

5) I care what the Democrats and Republicans stand for today.  There's plenty of reasoned criticism to offer toward the Democrats.  But whatever reason the Republicans ever possessed left the building the moment that first plane hit the tower.
2014-04-20 09:16:53 AM  
1 votes:
How about the new, friendlier Cu Clux Clan?
www.omni-chem.com
2014-04-20 08:45:12 AM  
1 votes:
The only thing these farking buttholes are good for is 1) target practice or 2) an example to the rest of society what is a farking butthole.  I prefer #1 myself, although I would be open to hanging them.  Poetic justice.
2014-04-20 08:10:58 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Actually, it appears I was lied to.

They were less a social club and more a guerrilla organization.

But, and this is important, they weren't racists. They wanted to lynch northerners of all colors, not just blacks. The "Aryan Blood" stuff didn't come out until the second and third Klans. Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another. It's entirely possible one of them could come to their senses and we might get the happy, friendly Klan. But given the downward derp spiral they've been in, I doubt it.


Still not seeing any moral difference there bud
2014-04-20 06:55:33 AM  
1 votes:

Crotchrocket Slim: FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.


George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.
2014-04-20 03:34:22 AM  
1 votes:
How long has this society been waiting for the current generation to be the first one without racism?
2014-04-20 03:33:48 AM  
1 votes:
2014-04-20 03:21:42 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).

Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?


I must have missed that 2nd name change.  Perhaps to make them sound like educated mercenary killers?
2014-04-20 03:13:06 AM  
1 votes:
Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).
2014-04-20 12:39:16 AM  
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violentsalvation: Okay okay okay, here's how you do it, KKK. Before you light your crosses on fire, attach yourselves to them. You'll be like race martyrs or something, message received, we'll totally get it then. Promise.


ooooo
I like this.

Q: What do you call 8,000 KKK martyrs just in time for easter?
A: A job well done.
 
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