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2014-04-20 12:50:39 PM  

FormlessOne: If I had to do PR for the KKK, the word "rebrand", or anything that remotely sounds like "brand", wouldn't figure into my output, y'know? I mean, what's next?

"KKK: Whipping our image back into shape!"
"KKK: Remastering our past!"
"KKK: Taking stock and breaking chains!"


Can't help myself:

"Forging the chains of the future - this isn't your great-great-great-grandpappy's KKK!"
"KKK: The rebirth of a nation!"
"KKK: Circular organization, linear thinking!"
"KKK: Reforging the Ironclad Oath of yesterday to the Steelclad Oath of tomorrow!"
"KKK: 33/5 isn't just for mathematicians and racists any more!"

Seriously, friggin' bigots, just give up. If you can't adapt, just friggin' die and get it over with - you're a roadblock to the progression of humanity, bigots.
 
2014-04-20 12:51:08 PM  
tirob:

Well, if you're black, they wouldn't say it to your face for obvious reasons.  However, the belief that blacks are "inferior" has an agenda behind it most of the time whether you are willing to admit it or not; it is **often** a weapon.   A great many people who believe that blacks are "inferior" also believe as a corollary that we should implement social policies that reflect this belief--up to and including segregation, denial of voting rights for blacks, or even worse in the most extreme cases.

 No argument here. My point is that racists exist on both sides and the ones on the left *will* say it to your face. Some folks around here were kind enough to provide examples.
 
2014-04-20 12:51:22 PM  

GoSlash27: Now for starters, let's get some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap

An example of the phenomenon at work.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-trap-is-stopping-people -f rom-taking-jobs-29529657.html

In my personal experience, My family was subjected to it in the early '90s and we were able to fight our way out of it.
 On top of the usual dependency trap stuff (sue your baby- daddy or no benefits, benefits will be curtailed and eliminated before you earn enough to be self- sufficient, and your standard of living is best if you don't work), they added a cute trick: Rent was established based on your monthly income rather than a fixed rate, and it was nonlinear. The idea was to keep middle class renters out of public housing, but the effect was keeping poor people from ever becoming middle class. After all, if you're living there, you're poor (nobody lives there unless they have to) and if you take a job, you cannot afford the rent and can't afford to save up to move.

 We were able to make it out of that, largely by not taking most of the "benefits" and swimming upstream, but most of the people we knew back then never made it out. Particularly the guys, who mainly ended up dead.

 A lot of people don't know that such traps exist, and I can't fairly blame them for it... but the politicians *do* know about this and it's just the way they like it. Those politicians are on the left, not the right.


You see, it's only a "trap" for "lazy inner-city men".

Paul Ryan, notable left-wing politician utilizing theories from flaming liberal Charles Murray.

But black and Latinos have an excuse because they're not as intelligent as white people.  This isn't racist at all.
 
2014-04-20 12:52:14 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: "You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack

As have been your posts and attempts at defending your dataless positions.


Sigh. I admit I'm one of the more troll-susceptible people on Fark, but, seriously, let it go. Even I saw that he was trolling. His positions are indefensible because they weren't meant to be defended.
 
2014-04-20 12:53:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: Now for starters, let's get some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap

An example of the phenomenon at work.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-trap-is-stopping-people -f rom-taking-jobs-29529657.html

In my personal experience, My family was subjected to it in the early '90s and we were able to fight our way out of it.
 On top of the usual dependency trap stuff (sue your baby- daddy or no benefits, benefits will be curtailed and eliminated before you earn enough to be self- sufficient, and your standard of living is best if you don't work), they added a cute trick: Rent was established based on your monthly income rather than a fixed rate, and it was nonlinear. The idea was to keep middle class renters out of public housing, but the effect was keeping poor people from ever becoming middle class. After all, if you're living there, you're poor (nobody lives there unless they have to) and if you take a job, you cannot afford the rent and can't afford to save up to move.

 We were able to make it out of that, largely by not taking most of the "benefits" and swimming upstream, but most of the people we knew back then never made it out. Particularly the guys, who mainly ended up dead.

 A lot of people don't know that such traps exist, and I can't fairly blame them for it... but the politicians *do* know about this and it's just the way they like it. Those politicians are on the left, not the right.

You see, it's only a "trap" for "lazy inner-city men".

Paul Ryan, notable left-wing politician utilizing theories from flaming liberal Charles Murray.

But black and Latinos have an excuse because they're not as intelligent as white people.  This isn't racist at all.


But he says he's black! And he has unverifiable personal stories! And no-data blurbs about the Irish welfare system! That's totally not half assed troll debating!
 
2014-04-20 12:55:02 PM  

FormlessOne: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: "You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack

As have been your posts and attempts at defending your dataless positions.

Sigh. I admit I'm one of the more troll-susceptible people on Fark, but, seriously, let it go. Even I saw that he was trolling. His positions are indefensible because they weren't meant to be defended.


I want to see how lame this gets :) I want to see him struggle to not answer my question in any not lameass way.
 
2014-04-20 12:56:09 PM  
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2014-04-20 12:57:33 PM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: Either you're claiming that liberals *don't* accuse the right of being racist, or you don't know what a "strawman" is.

So stop being racist?

He wouldn't be able to justify sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc. if he were to just admit he's and his have been intentionally doing this all along, or at least not caring that others were. Hence chiding empty chairs and the like.

^ Classic example.
 There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve. And since I'm a black guy myself, I must necessarily assume my place amongst all of the other black folks by supporting such policies. After all, these poor unfortunate black folks simply aren't capable of fending for themselves without help.

 Race baiting, racial identity politics, assumption of superiority. Right to my face and used as a weapon.

 Righties don't do this.


Not explicitly...


GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.

Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor

<img src="[www.examiner.com image 500x392]
/Did I break your concentration? :D


Source, please?
 
2014-04-20 12:58:03 PM  
 
2014-04-20 01:03:42 PM  
friday13:
Not explicitly...

 Yeah, that's what "to my face" generally means.

Source, please?
Posted in the graph.
 
2014-04-20 01:08:07 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim:
Wharrgarbl

I've already accepted your surrender. Our conversation ended when you began hurling insults like an enraged chimp with a mitt full of feces.
 I will be happy to discuss this with anyone who can do so without name- calling. You're clearly not on that list.

/Happy Easter
 
2014-04-20 01:08:24 PM  
Well this is a disappointed debate, blatant ignoring of racist dog whistles and everything
 
2014-04-20 01:14:49 PM  

Fart_Machine: Also some problems with the poverty trap theory.

The hammock theory truly begins to fall apart once you look at the relatively short periods of time the poor actually remain poor. Americans tend to think of poverty as a chronic condition-the financial equivalent of acute and crippling arthritis. But it's largely more like a broken bone: something many of us suffer and most recuperate from. Mark Rank, a professor of social work at Washington University in St. Louis, and his collaborators have found that between the ages of 25 and 60, almost 40 percent of Americans will spend a year living under the poverty line, but only 11.6 percent spend five years or more of their adult lives impoverished. Likewise, Rank finds that 45 percent take advantage of the safety net at some point, but only 16.4 percent do so for more than five years.


"Theory"??
LMAO... You'd have to go a long way to convince me that the welfare trap is merely "theoretical".
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/policyblog/detail/welfare-trap s- good-people-in-broken-system

/been there, done that
 
2014-04-20 01:15:17 PM  

GoSlash27: T
 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.

They are always the first to inject race into politics and (not coincidentally) the only ones to hurl racial epithets like "Uncle Tom" at me.

This is certainly not to imply that there isn't racism in the Republican ranks. There is and I've seen it. But speaking as somebody who's dealt with it my whole life, the lefties have been far worse about it.



Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues.
So of course they aren't going to bring up race, because they don't want to address any of the race issues.

And probably the reason you don't see it from "uber-conservatives" is they don't have the balls to look you in the face and tell you what they think.

but please, remind us which ideology needs guns to protect them from "thugs" and using dog whistles to suggest everyone on welfare is black, all the while trying to make it harder for certain demographics to vote.

Remind us again which ideology acted like the world ended when Obama was elected.    Remind us again which party the KKK, Aryan Nation, etc are likely to vote for.

please, proceed.
 
2014-04-20 01:17:44 PM  

GoSlash27: I will be happy to discuss this with anyone who can do so without name- calling.


But you didn't and haven't actually discussed it at all. You assumed your personal experience was universal and when repeated confronted with the fact that it is not, you accused people of insulting you personally. Just because you self-identify as black doesn't make you a spokesperson for anybody else but yourself--but your assumption that somehow it does and therefore people should take you seriously suggests you want to race-bait everyone else as a condition of discussion, especially when you make blanket statements about 'liberals' being the real 'racists.'
 
2014-04-20 01:21:11 PM  

GoSlash27: They are always the first to inject race into politics


Says the person who just got finished challenging blanket statements when they are applied to "him."

Seriously. Trolling a Klan thread with reheated Booker T. Washington has got to be a handicap penalty of -1000 or so, not matter how many bites you get.
 
2014-04-20 01:21:31 PM  
Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...
 
2014-04-20 01:24:28 PM  

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: Also some problems with the poverty trap theory.

The hammock theory truly begins to fall apart once you look at the relatively short periods of time the poor actually remain poor. Americans tend to think of poverty as a chronic condition-the financial equivalent of acute and crippling arthritis. But it's largely more like a broken bone: something many of us suffer and most recuperate from. Mark Rank, a professor of social work at Washington University in St. Louis, and his collaborators have found that between the ages of 25 and 60, almost 40 percent of Americans will spend a year living under the poverty line, but only 11.6 percent spend five years or more of their adult lives impoverished. Likewise, Rank finds that 45 percent take advantage of the safety net at some point, but only 16.4 percent do so for more than five years.

"Theory"??
LMAO... You'd have to go a long way to convince me that the welfare trap is merely "theoretical".
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/policyblog/detail/welfare-trap s- good-people-in-broken-system

/been there, done that


Well your "Free Market Theory" think tank using a news story about one person is very convincing especially since the above data confirms that for the vast majority of people who utilize social services do so temporarily.  So every person who applies for welfare gets $80K in benefits?  LMAO!
 
2014-04-20 01:27:55 PM  

GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.


my hobby:  painting with broad strokes in an attempt to complain about people painting with broad stokes.

GoSlash27: First example that comes to mind is the welfare system that is designed to break up families and force people into dependency so they will vote a certain way.


WTF?  You do realize that the welfare system is largley used by single mothers from familes that have already beenbroken up, right?

The war on drugs also comes to mind.


and which ideology is most interested in continuing this war on drugs?
 
2014-04-20 01:30:31 PM  

GoSlash27: tirob:

Well, if you're black, they wouldn't say it to your face for obvious reasons.  However, the belief that blacks are "inferior" has an agenda behind it most of the time whether you are willing to admit it or not; it is **often** a weapon.   A great many people who believe that blacks are "inferior" also believe as a corollary that we should implement social policies that reflect this belief--up to and including segregation, denial of voting rights for blacks, or even worse in the most extreme cases.

 No argument here. My point is that racists exist on both sides and the ones on the left *will* say it to your face. Some folks around here were kind enough to provide examples.


Even the most patronizing and paternalistic leftie won't argue for second class citizenship for blacks or for the suppression of black votes, though.  There's that in their favor.
 
2014-04-20 01:33:10 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK


African-American political conservatism is not a gimmick. Its one of the many politics to emerge in the later 19th century and get a boost with the major social transformations of the Great Migration. Especially in the use of entrepreneurship and boosting of social morals black conservatism has been a potent, if underacknowledged force. Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam were not 'LBJ great society liberals' in any sense.
 
2014-04-20 01:34:08 PM  
blastoh:


Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues.
So of course they aren't going to bring up race, because they don't want to address any of the race issues.

And probably the reason you don't see it from "uber-conservatives" is they don't have the balls to look you in the face and tell you what they think.

but please, remind us which ideology needs guns to protect them from "thugs" and using dog whistles to suggest everyone on welfare is black, all the while trying to make it harder for certain demographics to vote.

Remind us again which ideology acted like the world ended when Obama was elected.    Remind us again which party the KKK, Aryan Nation, etc are likely to vote for.

please, proceed.


 Could be. Could *also* be that the mainstream righties simply don't reduce every argument to race. Could be that attributing the racism of the whacko fringe to the right as a whole is a composition fallacy at best or an attempt to demonize the opposition at worst.
 Could also be that, couldn't it?

 I happen to agree with the notion that Americans should have a right to protect themselves from thugs, that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.
 It could just be that a large chunk of Americans (if not an outright majority) happen to agree with me on these issues and more. The same Americans who happened to vote for the black guy for President.
 Could be that.
 
2014-04-20 01:37:23 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...


Your perception of time and mine are apparently not the same. Either that, or you stuck around for at least two hours after "quick" was over.
 
2014-04-20 01:39:23 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...


And there it is, folks. Anyone else here think it's totes kewl to call a black guy an "uncle tom" in front of God and everybody? Or are you like me and find it insulting and repugnant?
/racist lefty is racist
// not the first time
/// won't be the last
 
2014-04-20 01:43:58 PM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...

And there it is, folks. Anyone else here think it's totes kewl to call a black guy an "uncle tom" in front of God and everybody? Or are you like me and find it insulting and repugnant?
/racist lefty is racist
// not the first time
/// won't be the last


I was talking about Tom Sawyer, I don't know WTF you're on about troll
 
2014-04-20 01:44:00 PM  

Fart_Machine: Also some problems with the poverty trap theory.

The hammock theory truly begins to fall apart once you look at the relatively short periods of time the poor actually remain poor. Americans tend to think of poverty as a chronic condition-the financial equivalent of acute and crippling arthritis. But it's largely more like a broken bone: something many of us suffer and most recuperate from. Mark Rank, a professor of social work at Washington University in St. Louis, and his collaborators have found that between the ages of 25 and 60, almost 40 percent of Americans will spend a year living under the poverty line, but only 11.6 percent spend five years or more of their adult lives impoverished. Likewise, Rank finds that 45 percent take advantage of the safety net at some point, but only 16.4 percent do so for more than five years.


This.  Poverty is a broken bone for the individual.  However, it is a cancer on society.  Republicans have this misguided concept that hardship and suffering of the few is required to ensure that society as a whole thrives.  When in fact, systemic poverty just drags us all down.
 
2014-04-20 01:45:53 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...

And there it is, folks. Anyone else here think it's totes kewl to call a black guy an "uncle tom" in front of God and everybody? Or are you like me and find it insulting and repugnant?
/racist lefty is racist
// not the first time
/// won't be the last

I was talking about Tom Sawyer, I don't know WTF you're on about troll


Though it's funny you're not examining if your politics might actually earn that title, you just wanted an excuse to be butthurt. Happy to oblige!
/I'll usually leave that honor for strippers I slip an extra $100 when their shift ends and... I've said too much
 
2014-04-20 01:49:14 PM  

GoSlash27: that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.


Most African-Americans see a partisan issue with that, and you'd have to admit that support for Voter ID laws tend to fall with lowering economic status, or what rational people call "class" issues. Structural issues along class and racial lines tend to reinforce each other. This is why people can argue whether Obama is an 'elitist thug' or whether he's "Black" enough. Not that you've responded in good faith so far to anybody, but this will give the others in the thread something to ponder.
 
2014-04-20 02:19:13 PM  
I thought that the kkk rebranded as "the Republican party" back in the 80s
 
2014-04-20 02:21:45 PM  

Somacandra: GoSlash27: that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.

Most African-Americans see a partisan issue with that, and you'd have to admit that support for Voter ID laws tend to fall with lowering economic status, or what rational people call "class" issues. Structural issues along class and racial lines tend to reinforce each other. This is why people can argue whether Obama is an 'elitist thug' or whether he's "Black" enough. Not that you've responded in good faith so far to anybody, but this will give the others in the thread something to ponder.


I'm not sure if you're referring to just one of these topics, or all 3. Either way, your response has nothing to do with the point: Racism is not a prerequisite for siding with the conservative viewpoint. If people had to be "racist" to disapprove of gun control, voting without ID, or Obama, then surely they wouldn't have voted for a black guy for President.
 There are racists on the right and I've said so repeatedly throughout this thread. But it's intellectually dishonest to ascribe "racism" to everyone that disagrees with you, as if *that* is the only possible explanation.
 
2014-04-20 02:25:46 PM  

GoSlash27: If people had to be "racist" to disapprove of gun control, voting without ID, or Obama, then surely they wouldn't have voted for a black guy for President.


Obama was elected by people who hate gun control and Obama?
 
2014-04-20 02:27:49 PM  
 Strawman much?
 
2014-04-20 02:33:39 PM  
 
2014-04-20 02:36:14 PM  
"What would you be left with? Benign racism?" asked Jelani Cobb, director of the Africana Studies Institute at the University of Connecticut.

If I had to choose between the shootey racism and the "benign" racism, I'd probably go with benign.  I mean, it's still racism but one is arguably worse than the other.
 
2014-04-20 02:40:13 PM  

GoSlash27: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_polit i cs/march_2014/53_oppose_stricter_gun_control_laws

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-concerns-about-voter-fra ud -spur-broad-support-for-voter-id-laws/2012/08/11/40db3aba-e2fb-11e1-ae 7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.as px

 If these poll results are attributable to "racism", then Obama cannot possibly be President. Ergo, they are *not* attributable to "racism".

 I would've thought it wouldn't have been necessary to spell it out.



my point above, about republicans needing guns to protect themselves from thugs wasn't a reference to gun control, but a reference to the GOP being scared of black people.  See also: treyvon martin

but you know this already...  this is how we know you are trolling.
 
2014-04-20 02:44:23 PM  
 blastoh:
"Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues."


I should've pointed out earlier that this is a false choice fallacy. Instead of pretending that either a) nothing is a race issue or b) friggin *EVERYTHING* is a race issue, how'sabout we consider a third possibility:

 Some things are race issues and some things are not?

/how's that for a slice of fried gold?
 
2014-04-20 02:49:03 PM  

Lsherm: "What would you be left with? Benign racism?" asked Jelani Cobb, director of the Africana Studies Institute at the University of Connecticut.

If I had to choose between the shootey racism and the "benign" racism, I'd probably go with benign.  I mean, it's still racism but one is arguably worse than the other.


We should have tolerant and loving racism.  That would be awesome.
 
2014-04-20 02:49:17 PM  

GoSlash27: blastoh:
"Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues."

I should've pointed out earlier that this is a false choice fallacy. Instead of pretending that either a) nothing is a race issue or b) friggin *EVERYTHING* is a race issue, how'sabout we consider a third possibility:

 Some things are race issues and some things are not?

/how's that for a slice of fried gold?


yes, and who is making that choice?  Which ideology is the one pretending there are no race issues.


these are not the arguments you are looking for.
 
2014-04-20 02:50:46 PM  

blastoh: GoSlash27: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_polit i cs/march_2014/53_oppose_stricter_gun_control_laws

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-concerns-about-voter-fra ud -spur-broad-support-for-voter-id-laws/2012/08/11/40db3aba-e2fb-11e1-ae 7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.as px

 If these poll results are attributable to "racism", then Obama cannot possibly be President. Ergo, they are *not* attributable to "racism".

 I would've thought it wouldn't have been necessary to spell it out.


my point above, about republicans needing guns to protect themselves from thugs wasn't a reference to gun control, but a reference to the GOP being scared of black people.  See also: treyvon martin

but you know this already...  this is how we know you are trolling.


 Uhh... Your "point" (such as it is) is both fallacious and a weak attempt to dodge mine. Which is, after all, what you posted it in response to.
 "Being scared of black people" is a trait that you ascribed to them. But really, there are all sorts of non- racist reasons to support self- defense, aren't there?
 You've constructed a circular argument here.
 
2014-04-20 02:54:41 PM  

mrshowrules: Lsherm: "What would you be left with? Benign racism?" asked Jelani Cobb, director of the Africana Studies Institute at the University of Connecticut.

If I had to choose between the shootey racism and the "benign" racism, I'd probably go with benign.  I mean, it's still racism but one is arguably worse than the other.

We should have tolerant and loving racism.  That would be awesome.


open racism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4WoAnty748
 
2014-04-20 02:56:23 PM  

blastoh: yes, and who is making that choice?


 The rational individual who forms their own opinions instead of having them spoon- fed?

 Stick with me here, but if 3 out of 4 Americans support voter ID, isn't it (somehow, theoretically) possible that 3 out of 4 Americans *aren't* "racist"?

 Or no? I'm getting genuinely curious now...
 
2014-04-20 03:00:21 PM  
They've tried that before:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_BUZSTTW4
 
2014-04-20 03:12:36 PM  
*crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness
 
2014-04-20 03:18:32 PM  

GoSlash27: blastoh: yes, and who is making that choice?

 The rational individual who forms their own opinions instead of having them spoon- fed?

 Stick with me here, but if 3 out of 4 Americans support voter ID, isn't it (somehow, theoretically) possible that 3 out of 4 Americans *aren't* "racist"?

 Or no? I'm getting genuinely curious now...


Oh goody, a tyranny of the majority troll now? Lame.

Too bad you cannot explain the rationale of your positions, as you have none. I gave you a chance to explain why welfare is a trap for poor people, and you respond with woo that I'm certain you made up, a wiki link which demonstrates nothing, and a link from frakking Ireland about politicians merely asserting welfare is a trap. You elect not to respond anyone who points out that statistically, welfare is almost never a multigenerational cycle but a temporary thing for people who have a momentary hardship outside of their own control. You can't find actual data to support your assertions or form an argument supporting your ideology as there is none.

In short you may or may not believe what you're posting, but you're not here for serious debate. Also you don't really know what the hell a strawman actually is, and I'm sure everyone who has ever invested any time in educating you is embarrassed about how pathetically you are flopping about like a beached fish in this thread.
 
2014-04-20 03:19:30 PM  

Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.


I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-20 03:21:41 PM  

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 289x289]


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-20 03:25:43 PM  

GoSlash27: blastoh: yes, and who is making that choice?

 The rational individual who forms their own opinions instead of having them spoon- fed?

 Stick with me here, but if 3 out of 4 Americans support voter ID, isn't it (somehow, theoretically) possible that 3 out of 4 Americans *aren't* "racist"?

 Or no? I'm getting genuinely curious now...


Colin Powell is a racist now.
 
2014-04-20 03:28:03 PM  

GoSlash27: *crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness


"no one is paying attention to my trolling anymore... waaaaaa"
 
2014-04-20 03:37:33 PM  

blastoh: GoSlash27: *crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness

"no one is paying attention to my trolling anymore... waaaaaa"


That he never responds when questions are posed to him- or if he does it's two bit woo- doesn't help.

bobothemagnificent: Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.

I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.
[img.fark.net image 600x480]


I'd ask you to explain why they have the exact same policy platform, or how the platform of the Tea Party differs from the KKK.
 
2014-04-20 03:45:06 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: at he never responds when questions are posed to him- or if he does it's two bit woo- doesn't help.


classic trolling

1. never give serious honest answers
2. keep insisting every answer your questions.
3. repeat
 
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