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2014-04-20 11:17:19 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: soporific: GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.

Which party is trying to make it harder for non-whites to vote?

A few loudmouthed morans, whom I agree exist, are nothing compared to actual polities that are designed to be detrimental towards everyone but white males.

But but but while the GOP has been using fear of minorities to push wedge issues for decades in addition to pushing policy that would hurt those not in the economic and/or racial minority it's totes unfair to call them out for at least intentionally appealing to racists! For reasons such as.


I admit to proofreading fail
 
2014-04-20 11:23:57 AM

soporific: GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.

Which party is trying to make it harder for non-whites to vote?

A few loudmouthed morans, whom I agree exist, are nothing compared to actual polities that are designed to be detrimental towards everyone but white males.


If only that were true. Unfortunately, the right doesn't have a monopoly on such policies.
 First example that comes to mind is the welfare system that is designed to break up families and force people into dependency so they will vote a certain way.
 The war on drugs also comes to mind.
 
2014-04-20 11:25:06 AM

GoSlash27: ^ Classic example.
 There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.


You're right, it might be that they hate all poor people and that it's just coincidental they push economic policies that limit upward mobility for all Americans, and while they know that as a result of slavery most African Americans are still stuck in poverty. That could just be a bonus to them.

And since I'm a black guy myself,I must necessarily assume my place amongst all of the other black folks by supporting such policies.

I'm a farking white guy and I oppose rightwing policies as they screw us all. The fact that you focus in on the racial aspect demonstrates just how lame you are. If you are actually black you're also ignoring how much the KKK and GOP's policies on economics and immigration happen to coincide.

And let it be known that pretending to be something you're not online to try to lend credibility to your position is a pretty well-known rightwing tactic.

After all, these poor unfortunate black folks simply aren't capable of fending for themselves without help.

And this is a strawman, as liberals never have said or believed this. Economic upward mobility in this nation has become exceptionally nonexistent as the middle class has shrunk, affecting all Americans of all racial backgrounds. But but but it's only about race!

 Race baiting, racial identity politics, assumption of superiority. Right to my face and used as a weapon.

 Righties don't do this.


As I said you're ignoring or utterly ignorant of obvious dog whistles.
 
2014-04-20 11:27:53 AM

GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.


Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.
 
2014-04-20 11:30:29 AM
"When did Clarence Thomas start posting on Fark?"

^ Right! Because I'm black first and a person second.
/don't even agree with Thomas
//but it's the closest available pigeonhole
/// racism is ugly
 
2014-04-20 11:30:56 AM

GoSlash27: If only that were true. Unfortunately, the right doesn't have a monopoly on such policies.
 First example that comes to mind is the welfare system that is designed to break up families and force people into dependency so they will vote a certain way.


I grew up on welfare, and using public aid I went to college, got into tech support and now have a fulltime job where I pay income taxes every year. This rightwing myth is just that, a myth. You're also forgetting that the New Deal brought us out of the Great Depression and benefitted all Americans of all racial backgrounds.

 The war on drugs also comes to mind.

Which was started by Republicans, made more serious by Republicans, and has been used as a wedge issue by Republicans and been used to incarcerate minorities at a massively higher rate than whites by Republicans. Why on earth are we treating marijuana- which was made illegal partially for pretty racist (anti-Mexican and anti-Jazz musician) reasons- treated like heroine and crack in the legal system?
 
2014-04-20 11:35:07 AM
Aren't they just called teabaggers now?
 
2014-04-20 11:35:42 AM

Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.


But  GoSlash27, who no one in this thread has ever met IRL, says he's black. Therefor whatever he says must totally be true, and universally applicable to the whole black experience, even though the mass majority of black people vote Democrat. Or something.
 
2014-04-20 11:36:13 AM

Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.


 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.
 
2014-04-20 11:39:51 AM

GoSlash27: Right! Because I'm black first and a person second.


We get it, you're black. You've mentioned it five times in this thread.
 
2014-04-20 11:40:58 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

But  GoSlash27, who no one in this thread has ever met IRL, says he's black. Therefor whatever he says must totally be true, and universally applicable to the whole black experience, even though the mass majority of black people vote Democrat. Or something.


Anyone who's interested is capable of verifying my race if they choose to. I don't have a lot going on today, so if you just want to insist on being publicly pantsed, all you have to do is accuse me of lying about my race.

/all the same to me
 
2014-04-20 11:41:17 AM

FloridaFarkTag: log_jammin: FloridaFarkTag: Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is DemocratConsertive.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping RepublicansLiberals from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republicanfor Liberals

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was DemocratsConseratives....and DemocratsConseratives  were the Klan members in the south

FTFY

Nope...the Klan were Democrats....and one of their main objectives was to keep Blacks from voting GOP

Obviously, you watch a bit too much MSNBC....


David Duke sends his love.
 
2014-04-20 11:41:26 AM

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.


And when the GOP targets the inner city- demographically which contains the lionshare of the African American population- for budget cuts to such things as public education- which I can tell you is farking necessary to lift oneself out of poverty- and leaves it in place in rural areas which are historically "white" areas, that's not intentional racial engineering at least by the GOP. Sure. Keep ignoring the obvious.
 
2014-04-20 11:42:40 AM

jaytkay: GoSlash27: Right! Because I'm black first and a person second.

We get it, you're black. You've mentioned it five times in this thread.


Don't be all butt-hurt because I called you out. You're the one who brought up Clarence Thomas, not me.
/ racist
 
2014-04-20 11:42:53 AM

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

But  GoSlash27, who no one in this thread has ever met IRL, says he's black. Therefor whatever he says must totally be true, and universally applicable to the whole black experience, even though the mass majority of black people vote Democrat. Or something.

Anyone who's interested is capable of verifying my race if they choose to. I don't have a lot going on today, so if you just want to insist on being publicly pantsed, all you have to do is accuse me of lying about my race.

/all the same to me


No one cares. You're posting woo that's not smart or true or acceptable no matter the color of your skin. You also keep finding excuses not to actually respond to the meat of my posts, mostly as you got nothing.
 
2014-04-20 11:44:50 AM

GoSlash27: jaytkay: GoSlash27: Right! Because I'm black first and a person second.

We get it, you're black. You've mentioned it five times in this thread.

Don't be all butt-hurt because I called you out. You're the one who brought up Clarence Thomas, not me.
/ racist


Other than the drug war, the politics you've displayed matched his, and you brought this on yourself by bringing up your race. No one cares about the race of any particular Farker until some dingbat trying to use his background to make up for his lack of rationale brings it up.
 
2014-04-20 11:45:31 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.

And when the GOP targets the inner city- demographically which contains the lionshare of the African American population- for budget cuts to such things as public education- which I can tell you is farking necessary to lift oneself out of poverty- and leaves it in place in rural areas which are historically "white" areas, that's not intentional racial engineering at least by the GOP. Sure. Keep ignoring the obvious.


Funny, I found that escaping the public school system was what did the trick for me.
 
2014-04-20 11:48:19 AM

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.

And when the GOP targets the inner city- demographically which contains the lionshare of the African American population- for budget cuts to such things as public education- which I can tell you is farking necessary to lift oneself out of poverty- and leaves it in place in rural areas which are historically "white" areas, that's not intentional racial engineering at least by the GOP. Sure. Keep ignoring the obvious.

Funny, I found that escaping the public school system was what did the trick for me.


Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?
 
2014-04-20 11:50:38 AM
Well, I mean, we'll probably never see this again:

www.boomantribune.com

But considering the market for this

www.outsidethebeltway.com

and this

ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com

. . . yeah, unfortunately I think there's room for them to expand.
 
2014-04-20 11:51:02 AM
So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable
 
2014-04-20 11:51:34 AM

The Name: Well, I mean, we'll probably never see this again:

[www.boomantribune.com image 480x320]

But considering the market for this

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 225x194]

and this

[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

. . . yeah, unfortunately I think there's room for them to expand.


TOTES NOT TRYING TO APPEAL TO RACISTS
 
2014-04-20 11:51:55 AM

GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable


Well, bless your heart.
 
2014-04-20 11:52:39 AM

GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable


If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.
 
2014-04-20 11:56:56 AM

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.


Why is it that conservatives never use the term "trapped" to describe white folks (who utilize social services far more) but insist that unless we dismantle the system minorities will never learn to fend for themselves?
 
2014-04-20 11:57:47 AM
Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.
 
2014-04-20 12:03:07 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable

If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.


 Maybe I oughtta actually introduce a strawman. That way you'd have something to grasp at :D

 Since I see it in the media, I'm pretty sure it goes a wee bit beyond "anecdotal"
 
2014-04-20 12:04:26 PM

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.


Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor
 
2014-04-20 12:06:43 PM

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable

If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.

 Maybe I oughtta actually introduce a strawman. That way you'd have something to grasp at :D

 Since I see it in the media, I'm pretty sure it goes a wee bit beyond "anecdotal"


Elaborate or I'll assume you're asserting without support as you got nothing. You've just played butthurt we all don't just fall in line because you said so this whole thread.
 
2014-04-20 12:08:52 PM
Again llama, how does welfare "trap" people into its lifestyle?
 
2014-04-20 12:13:34 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.

Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor


<img src="www.examiner.com
/Did I break your concentration? :D
 
2014-04-20 12:21:37 PM

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.

Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor

<img src="[www.examiner.com image 500x392]
/Did I break your concentration? :D


Hardly, this is pretty clownshoes debating your using against me. BTW your neat cherrypicked data in a form of a graph ignores all of the funding the Federal government cut to other state grants etc., which resulted in states shifting funds away from public education and into things like keeping cops etc. paid. Instead of the states helping pay for public education they mostly let the Federal government fund it solely now, and this lame graph does not take that into account.

Also I see nothing on elementary school education, which is the most critical to get just right if we don't want to merely perpetuate the socioeconomic issues. By high school age (especially 17) many kids who have already been most failed by the education system have dropped out and of course they aren't bringing down the averages anymore.

Find a less stupidly partisan source of data than the Cato Institute btw, and answer my question which I have posed to you several times and you keep ignoring:

How does welfare trap people?
 
2014-04-20 12:22:12 PM

FloridaFarkTag: Nope...the Klan were Democrats....and one of their main objectives was to keep Blacks from voting GOP


I bet they've kept up their efforts right through to today, right? The KKK always out there, waving their Democrat/Obama flags.
 
2014-04-20 12:22:37 PM
Back to the graph it also doesn't list how much money was dispersed by the Federal government for public education either.
 
2014-04-20 12:23:03 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable

If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.

 Maybe I oughtta actually introduce a strawman. That way you'd have something to grasp at :D

 Since I see it in the media, I'm pretty sure it goes a wee bit beyond "anecdotal"

Elaborate or I'll assume you're asserting without support as you got nothing. You've just played butthurt we all don't just fall in line because you said so this whole thread.


Elaborate on examples of overt lefty racism?
 I'm surprised you'd ask for that, but alright *shrug*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPcpW-wQpB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-EXwzQSLbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih0nxexkCzU
 
2014-04-20 12:25:05 PM
Hey guys, maybe we need another Testament.  This Old one hasn't held the test of time so we need to rebrand ourselves.  Lets drop a lot of the violence stuff but we need to keep a little bit of the hate though.  And throw in a prophecy for the end of the world.  They'll eat that shiat up.  We'll call it ... the New Testament.  We need some friendly PR if we're gonna get some new followers.
 
2014-04-20 12:25:23 PM
 Crotchrocket,
 I can only respond to 1 wharrgarbl at a time.

You seem to really want to know how welfare traps people, so I'll elaborate on that. Gimme a few minutes.
/please and thank you...
 
2014-04-20 12:30:08 PM

GoSlash27: Elaborate on examples of overt lefty racism?
I'm surprised you'd ask for that, but alright *shrug*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPcpW-wQpB0


People saying mean things about Brietbart is very racist.
 
2014-04-20 12:30:28 PM
Geez, GoSlash27 trolled the hell out of this thread while I was at church.
 
2014-04-20 12:31:16 PM

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable

If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.

 Maybe I oughtta actually introduce a strawman. That way you'd have something to grasp at :D

 Since I see it in the media, I'm pretty sure it goes a wee bit beyond "anecdotal"

Elaborate or I'll assume you're asserting without support as you got nothing. You've just played butthurt we all don't just fall in line because you said so this whole thread.

Elaborate on examples of overt lefty racism?
 I'm surprised you'd ask for that, but alright *shrug*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPcpW-wQpB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-EXwzQSLbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih0nxexkCzU


Oh wow farking youtube uploads of trolls at political rallies, that sure is popular mass media yup. Two minutes of my own youtube searching wouldn't turn up uploads of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh doing the same thing (you know, people who actually are broadcast to the masses and have followings instead of these two bit slacktivists). That's the same as popular pro-GOP bumper stickers which allude to calling the President a N*bong* sure, that's not complete false equivocation.

You also refuse to answer the question I keep posing to you:  How does welfare trap people? How does welfare trap people? How does welfare trap people? How does welfare trap people?

You never do answer this as it's just rightwing rhetoric devoid of any reality you're spewing. You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person?
 
2014-04-20 12:32:35 PM

Alphax: Geez, GoSlash27 trolled the hell out of this thread while I was at church.


Indeed, and I don't expect a non-derpy response should he ever put one together. More Cato Institute or other GOP thinktank cherrypicked BS I'll bet
 
2014-04-20 12:36:36 PM
static.comicvine.com
 
2014-04-20 12:38:33 PM
Yeah I guess the troll got me to respond. "Black people need to be like  this" is a new trolling gimmick though.
 
2014-04-20 12:39:08 PM
...outside of old Richard Pryor bits that is.
 
2014-04-20 12:42:59 PM
Now for starters, let's get some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap

An example of the phenomenon at work.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-trap-is-stopping-people -f rom-taking-jobs-29529657.html

In my personal experience, My family was subjected to it in the early '90s and we were able to fight our way out of it.
 On top of the usual dependency trap stuff (sue your baby- daddy or no benefits, benefits will be curtailed and eliminated before you earn enough to be self- sufficient, and your standard of living is best if you don't work), they added a cute trick: Rent was established based on your monthly income rather than a fixed rate, and it was nonlinear. The idea was to keep middle class renters out of public housing, but the effect was keeping poor people from ever becoming middle class. After all, if you're living there, you're poor (nobody lives there unless they have to) and if you take a job, you cannot afford the rent and can't afford to save up to move.

 We were able to make it out of that, largely by not taking most of the "benefits" and swimming upstream, but most of the people we knew back then never made it out. Particularly the guys, who mainly ended up dead.

 A lot of people don't know that such traps exist, and I can't fairly blame them for it... but the politicians *do* know about this and it's just the way they like it. Those politicians are on the left, not the right.
 
2014-04-20 12:43:08 PM
If I had to do PR for the KKK, the word "rebrand", or anything that remotely sounds like "brand", wouldn't figure into my output, y'know? I mean, what's next?

"KKK: Whipping our image back into shape!"
"KKK: Remastering our past!"
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2014-04-20 12:44:25 PM

GoSlash27: tirob: GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.
.

All of that has got to be frustrating to deal with if you're black.  I take it, however, that you're not as offended when right wingers express the opinion that blacks are an inferior species of human being.  It's been known to happen from time to time; I could cite you chapter and verse if you like.

As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.


Well, if you're black, they wouldn't say it to your face for obvious reasons.  However, the belief that blacks are "inferior" has an agenda behind it most of the time whether you are willing to admit it or not; it is **often** a weapon.   A great many people who believe that blacks are "inferior" also believe as a corollary that we should implement social policies that reflect this belief--up to and including segregation, denial of voting rights for blacks, or even worse in the most extreme cases.
 
2014-04-20 12:45:22 PM
You know what, I'll give  GoSlash27 something, assuming he wants to continue this gimmick:

The GOP hates all poor people, it's probably just coincidental that their policies seem to hurt minorities- especially African Americans- much more than poor Americans who happen to be white (and to be fair a lot of that is the Drug War). They probably are never going to consider setting up concentration camps etc. though, as having a large group of disaffected people in our society is very useful for their purposes.
 
2014-04-20 12:46:39 PM
"You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack
 
2014-04-20 12:47:38 PM

GoSlash27: Now for starters, let's get some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap

An example of the phenomenon at work.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-trap-is-stopping-people -f rom-taking-jobs-29529657.html

In my personal experience, My family was subjected to it in the early '90s and we were able to fight our way out of it.
 On top of the usual dependency trap stuff (sue your baby- daddy or no benefits, benefits will be curtailed and eliminated before you earn enough to be self- sufficient, and your standard of living is best if you don't work), they added a cute trick: Rent was established based on your monthly income rather than a fixed rate, and it was nonlinear. The idea was to keep middle class renters out of public housing, but the effect was keeping poor people from ever becoming middle class. After all, if you're living there, you're poor (nobody lives there unless they have to) and if you take a job, you cannot afford the rent and can't afford to save up to move.

 We were able to make it out of that, largely by not taking most of the "benefits" and swimming upstream, but most of the people we knew back then never made it out. Particularly the guys, who mainly ended up dead.

 A lot of people don't know that such traps exist, and I can't fairly blame them for it... but the politicians *do* know about this and it's just the way they like it. Those politicians are on the left, not the right.


You're still laming out with assuming your experience is universal, in a discussion on public policy both of our experiences are worth jack shiat. Where's your data... from the United States? And not a lame data-less link about Ireland either.

Clownshoes indeed.
 
2014-04-20 12:48:52 PM

GoSlash27: "You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack


As have been your posts and attempts at defending your dataless positions.
 
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