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2014-04-19 11:36:38 PM  
FTFA: "No."
 
2014-04-20 12:36:55 AM  
Okay okay okay, here's how you do it, KKK. Before you light your crosses on fire, attach yourselves to them. You'll be like race martyrs or something, message received, we'll totally get it then. Promise.
 
2014-04-20 12:39:16 AM  

violentsalvation: Okay okay okay, here's how you do it, KKK. Before you light your crosses on fire, attach yourselves to them. You'll be like race martyrs or something, message received, we'll totally get it then. Promise.


ooooo
I like this.

Q: What do you call 8,000 KKK martyrs just in time for easter?
A: A job well done.
 
2014-04-20 12:51:39 AM  
fta "Facebook keeps deleting my posts," he said.

Ever feel like you're being singled out and treated differently, dumbass?
 
2014-04-20 01:08:08 AM  
Have they considered ending their discriminatory policies prohibiting Blacks, Jews, Catholics, Latinos, Asians, and gays from joining?

/probably left out a few groups
 
2014-04-20 02:28:32 AM  
Violent racist thugs need a make over?  WTF is this country coming to?
 
2014-04-20 02:40:31 AM  
The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans.  They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off.  It's important for that message to get out.  The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong.  It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not.  At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting.  It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members.  There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.
 
2014-04-20 02:41:29 AM  
I would watch every episode of Extreme Makeover: Hate Group Edition.
 
2014-04-20 02:49:08 AM  
Isn't that what Republicans keep saying about themselves?  They just can't get their message out?

No, we understand your messages.  We're repelled and disgusted by them.
 
2014-04-20 03:01:29 AM  

staplermofo: The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans.  They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off.  It's important for that message to get out.  The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong.  It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not.  At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting.  It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members.  There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.


They're not just wrong.  They're farking scumbags.

They want to exclude a large portion of society (a majority of society outside of the West, really) FROM society because of their genetics.

"Separation of the races", however peaceful, still bars anyone not-white from using the public facilities, the stores, the workplaces, and the education system that the white people get.

I don't care that they're not out there lynching people anymore, they are still actively trying to ruin lives by preventing them from having the same opportunities and to be treated like human beings.
 
2014-04-20 03:04:19 AM  
Maybe these guys are just ahead of the curve.
www.sabinabecker.com
 
2014-04-20 03:05:58 AM  
I believe that Amendment VIII precludes branding them.
 
2014-04-20 03:07:21 AM  
David Duke rumored to have said "Been there, done that."
 
2014-04-20 03:09:07 AM  
Isn't a key tenet of the KKK to increase branding?
 
2014-04-20 03:12:45 AM  
Modern hate groups are lightning rods who serve little purpose beyond making the politically active bigots appear sane by comparison.

Even then Ron "newsletter" Paul is a succesful household name.

Racism is alive and well, it just hides better.
 
2014-04-20 03:13:06 AM  
Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).
 
2014-04-20 03:13:40 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: I believe that Amendment VIII precludes branding them.


We can use a smaller branding iron, and just use more of them.
 
2014-04-20 03:18:17 AM  

BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).


Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?
 
2014-04-20 03:21:11 AM  
finishingmycoffee.com
These guys might have some branding ideas
 
2014-04-20 03:21:42 AM  

Gyrfalcon: BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).

Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?


I must have missed that 2nd name change.  Perhaps to make them sound like educated mercenary killers?
 
2014-04-20 03:21:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).

Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?


I figure it's just the name least likely to make anyone think of Blackwater.
 
2014-04-20 03:33:00 AM  
CNN tracked Ancona down on Twitter, where he has 840 followers,

Oh fark you CNN.
 
2014-04-20 03:33:48 AM  
 
2014-04-20 03:34:22 AM  
How long has this society been waiting for the current generation to be the first one without racism?
 
2014-04-20 03:35:21 AM  
I think the rebranding can definitely work. Le Pen the younger did it in France and they've started winning local elections, which they never could before. This stuff resonates more in bad times, and quite a lot of people are still seeing bad times in the US. So, a nice coat of paint to claim that "oh, sure the races would all part amicably and we'd all be better off" is probably enough to assuage the guilt someone might now feel for believing in something like this, and let people start taking them seriously again. They've thankfully got a long row to go, but if they do this right they can start moving on toward the mainstream again.

/ I'll take "conclusions I wish I didn't believe in" for $1000, Alex
 
2014-04-20 03:39:08 AM  

log_jammin: Oh fark you CNN.


Hey, you can blame their agenda all you want, but they did real investigative journalism.  You think tracking people down is free?  That stuff costs money, and they should be applauded for spending the 25 seconds and 86¢.
 
2014-04-20 04:23:12 AM  
"What this guy just did set back everything I've been trying to do for years," said Ancona, who leads the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

They sure are good at playing the victim card, though.

World's smallest farking violin etc.
 
2014-04-20 04:33:47 AM  

cc_rider: "What this guy just did set back everything I've been trying to do for years," said Ancona, who leads the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

They sure are good at playing the victim card, though.

World's smallest farking violin etc.


The Jewish Center shooter?  I thought he DID what they've been trying to do for years..
 
2014-04-20 04:38:40 AM  
The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.
 
2014-04-20 04:39:12 AM  
They could rename themselves the GOP.
 
2014-04-20 04:57:39 AM  
DOUBLE TAP MUTHERFRAKKER

www.thegreenhead.com
/dont you be stealing my loot neither
 
2014-04-20 05:16:50 AM  

doglover: The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.


That part didn't last long; but yeah. They used to literally do frat-boy stunts like wearing an extra head made from a coconut, and then handing it off to a scared slave, saying "Here, hold my head a minute", or pouring a gallon of water into a hidden container under their robes and chortling "Boy I ain't had a drink since the battle of Antietam and you sure get thirsty in Hell!"

They might well have vanished as the dumbass country boys they were had Nathan Bedford Forrest not discovered them up there in Pulaski.
 
2014-04-20 05:28:22 AM  
Look, no organization that has been repeatedly on Jerry Springer is going to get a whole lot of traction in the world.

Also,

prettyfakes.com

/youtube goodness: Christmas with the Clan, Springer 1996
 
2014-04-20 06:01:24 AM  

420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.


Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south
 
2014-04-20 06:23:39 AM  

doglover: The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.


Seriously don't take their propaganda seriously, the KKK always was about being pissed at the Union for freeing the slaves and forcing the Old South into modernity. Also "Ku Klux Klan" is as "Greek" as Pig Latin is Latin. And what kind of uneducated boob spells "clan" with a K?
/and what they stand for is disgusting
 
2014-04-20 06:25:40 AM  

staplermofo: The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans.  They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off.  It's important for that message to get out.  The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong.  It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not.  At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting.  It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members.  There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.


I like how you got a nibble/if not a bite right after you made it apparent in your next post that this one wasn't serious.
 
2014-04-20 06:31:41 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is DemocratConsertive.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping RepublicansLiberals from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republicanfor Liberals

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was DemocratsConseratives....and DemocratsConseratives

  were the Klan members in the south

FTFY
 
2014-04-20 06:32:05 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south


And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.
 
2014-04-20 06:33:01 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.


Through = threw 5am Farking is not recommended.
 
2014-04-20 06:33:03 AM  
All you need for racism to flourish is lowered standard of living, lack of a robust job market, a broken education system. Generally just make people suffer and they'll blame a visible minority instead of who is actually to blame. Hitler figured this shiat out quick like.
 
2014-04-20 06:38:08 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: All you need for racism to flourish is lowered standard of living, lack of a robust job market, a broken education system. Generally just make people suffer and they'll blame a visible minority instead of who is actually to blame. Hitler figured this shiat out quick like.


Frank Herbert observed this in Dune, as did JMS in Babylon 5. At least they danced around these concepts (both were/are excellent students of history).
 
2014-04-20 06:49:45 AM  
Gee why all the forgetting about Prohibition, which was a big Klan cause -- because the blacks, browns, immigrants, gays, Irish, Germans, Papists, Jews, eastern and southern Europeans would be so screwed without their booze?
 
2014-04-20 06:50:19 AM  

log_jammin: FloridaFarkTag: Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is DemocratConsertive.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping RepublicansLiberals from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republicanfor Liberals

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was DemocratsConseratives....and DemocratsConseratives  were the Klan members in the south

FTFY


Nope...the Klan were Democrats....and one of their main objectives was to keep Blacks from voting GOP

Obviously, you watch a bit too much MSNBC....
 
2014-04-20 06:55:33 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.


George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.
 
2014-04-20 06:58:35 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: Nope...the Klan were Democrats


yes they were. they were also conservatives.

FloridaFarkTag: ...and one of their main objectives was to keep Blacks from voting GOP


yes...because the GOP wasn't the conservative party that they are today.

FloridaFarkTag: Obviously, you watch a bit too much MSNBC....


*yawn*
 
2014-04-20 07:09:00 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: doglover: The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.

Seriously don't take their propaganda seriously, the KKK always was about being pissed at the Union for freeing the slaves and forcing the Old South into modernity. Also "Ku Klux Klan" is as "Greek" as Pig Latin is Latin. And what kind of uneducated boob spells "clan" with a K?
/and what they stand for is disgusting


The kind of boob that starts a social klub.

And, to be fair to the south, the Union was a bunch of dickholes. Sherman might have been right in his logical summary of what could be done, but actually doing it didn't win him any friends. Then the carpetbaggers came. It makes sense an anti yank social club would spring up.

But two things:
1. Actual historians say the KKK was a social club initially, failed, then reborn as a hate group. It's not propaganda.

2. They're so professional and tight knit the people who wrote the Superman radio serials were able to penatrate their ranks and make it as high as a Knight to gather intel on them. Then they used their real details and passwords nationwide causing the wizard to flip his shiat... twice.

So while they might be a hate group that's done a few murders here and there, and generally detestable people, they're not exactly the Aryan Brotherhood.
 
2014-04-20 07:15:33 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: Crotchrocket Slim: FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.

George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.


Educate yourself.
 
2014-04-20 07:22:07 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.


In the case of Wallace, it was a Democratic President that mobilized the National Guard to force his schools to integrate when they gave the proverbial finger to a court order to do so, and years later he would renounce his support of segregation and express regret over ever having supported it.

As for both Atwater and the Souther Strategy, how farking stupid, ignorant, and or dishonest do you have to be to concoct revisionist history on something that's detailed in goddamn wikipedia in the year 2014? You're dealing with people far more knowledgeable than you will find in your Klan meetings Zeke.

From wiki:
Bob Herbert, a New York Times columnist, reported a 1981 interview with Lee Atwater, published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Alexander P. Lamis, in which Lee Atwater discussed politics in the South:

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*bong*, n*bong*
 , n*bong* ." By 1968 you can't say "n*bong* " - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*bong* , n*bong* ."
(language cleaned up to respect the Fark filters)

Is it rude to intellectually depants the mentally retarded and/or psychologically unsound this early on a Sunday morning? Anyway look at how tiny your jimmy is.
 
2014-04-20 07:24:12 AM  

doglover: Crotchrocket Slim: doglover: The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.

Seriously don't take their propaganda seriously, the KKK always was about being pissed at the Union for freeing the slaves and forcing the Old South into modernity. Also "Ku Klux Klan" is as "Greek" as Pig Latin is Latin. And what kind of uneducated boob spells "clan" with a K?
/and what they stand for is disgusting

The kind of boob that starts a social klub.

And, to be fair to the south, the Union was a bunch of dickholes. Sherman might have been right in his logical summary of what could be done, but actually doing it didn't win him any friends. Then the carpetbaggers came. It makes sense an anti yank social club would spring up.

But two things:
1. Actual historians say the KKK was a social club initially, failed, then reborn as a hate group. It's not propaganda.

2. They're so professional and tight knit the people who wrote the Superman radio serials were able to penatrate their ranks and make it as high as a Knight to gather intel on them. Then they used their real details and passwords nationwide causing the wizard to flip his shiat... twice.

So while they might be a hate group that's done a few murders here and there, and generally detestable people, they're not exactly the Aryan Brotherhood.


I'm not sure how making the distinction is useful considering they have the same exact agenda.
 
2014-04-20 07:32:30 AM  

friday13: Educate yourself.


He knows full farking well that southern politicians regardless of party lines voted against the CRA.  He also knows full farking well the only southern politicians who voted for it were Democrats.  And he knows full farking well that all the racists bailed for the Republican party in 1964.

He just doesn't want to admit that his party is a refuge for farking racists, and lacks the spine the Democrats showed fifty years ago in kicking most of the human filth out of their party even though they knew it would cost them the south for generations.

I wish the Republicans had even a shred of that sort of moral decency.
 
2014-04-20 07:36:45 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: I'm not sure how making the distinction is useful considering they have the same exact agenda.


Yeah, "well, they're murdering racist scumbags, but they're not highly-organized murdering racist scumbags" is hardly the most flattering of lines to draw
 
2014-04-20 07:45:22 AM  
FTA: The Klan could change its name, get a smooth-talking spokesperson, replace the robes with suits and take off those ridiculous hats, but underneath, people would recognize its message is the same.

upload.wikimedia.org

Yep.
 
2014-04-20 08:03:09 AM  
I'm reading The Rift by W.J.Williams these days, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2014-04-20 08:08:29 AM  
Actually, it appears I was lied to.

They were less a social club and more a guerrilla organization.

But, and this is important, they weren't racists. They wanted to lynch northerners of all colors, not just blacks. The "Aryan Blood" stuff didn't come out until the second and third Klans. Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another. It's entirely possible one of them could come to their senses and we might get the happy, friendly Klan. But given the downward derp spiral they've been in, I doubt it.
 
2014-04-20 08:09:06 AM  

DemonEater: friday13: Educate yourself.

He knows full farking well that southern politicians regardless of party lines voted against the CRA.  He also knows full farking well the only southern politicians who voted for it were Democrats.  And he knows full farking well that all the racists bailed for the Republican party in 1964.

He just doesn't want to admit that his party is a refuge for farking racists, and lacks the spine the Democrats showed fifty years ago in kicking most of the human filth out of their party even though they knew it would cost them the south for generations.

I wish the Republicans had even a shred of that sort of moral decency.


Ain't that the truth....
 
2014-04-20 08:10:58 AM  

doglover: Actually, it appears I was lied to.

They were less a social club and more a guerrilla organization.

But, and this is important, they weren't racists. They wanted to lynch northerners of all colors, not just blacks. The "Aryan Blood" stuff didn't come out until the second and third Klans. Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another. It's entirely possible one of them could come to their senses and we might get the happy, friendly Klan. But given the downward derp spiral they've been in, I doubt it.


Still not seeing any moral difference there bud
 
2014-04-20 08:26:53 AM  

staplermofo: The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans.  They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off.  It's important for that message to get out.  The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong.  It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not.  At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting.  It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members.  There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.


Poe's law in action.
 
2014-04-20 08:27:39 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: doglover: Actually, it appears I was lied to.

They were less a social club and more a guerrilla organization.

But, and this is important, they weren't racists. They wanted to lynch northerners of all colors, not just blacks. The "Aryan Blood" stuff didn't come out until the second and third Klans. Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another. It's entirely possible one of them could come to their senses and we might get the happy, friendly Klan. But given the downward derp spiral they've been in, I doubt it.

Still not seeing any moral difference there bud


On one hand, there's very little. On the other hand, have you ever driven behind someone from Ohio? This isn't hate, it's just road rage.
 
2014-04-20 08:29:35 AM  

cc_rider: Huh, I thought they already re-branded?

https://www.freespeech.org/text/tea-party-nation-now-promoting-opera ti on-american-spring


The tea party is a rebranding of the John Birtch Society, which is similar to, but not the same as, the KKK.
 
2014-04-20 08:30:56 AM  

doglover: Crotchrocket Slim: doglover: Actually, it appears I was lied to.

They were less a social club and more a guerrilla organization.

But, and this is important, they weren't racists. They wanted to lynch northerners of all colors, not just blacks. The "Aryan Blood" stuff didn't come out until the second and third Klans. Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another. It's entirely possible one of them could come to their senses and we might get the happy, friendly Klan. But given the downward derp spiral they've been in, I doubt it.

Still not seeing any moral difference there bud

On one hand, there's very little. On the other hand, have you ever driven behind someone from Ohio? This isn't hate, it's just road rage.


OK, I'll ask you another way: is the reason the early KKK wanted to kill all white Northerners they ran into any way not in retaliation for them no longer being able to treat black people as livestock? And I make it a point to avoid Ohio, Nebraska is terrible enough of a flyover state for me, and I'm from MN and I lived close to the IA border in my childhood.
 
2014-04-20 08:33:06 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south


Guess who hasn't studied modern history.

/Nixon, you dolt!
 
2014-04-20 08:35:16 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: doglover: Crotchrocket Slim: doglover: Actually, it appears I was lied to.

They were less a social club and more a guerrilla organization.

But, and this is important, they weren't racists. They wanted to lynch northerners of all colors, not just blacks. The "Aryan Blood" stuff didn't come out until the second and third Klans. Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another. It's entirely possible one of them could come to their senses and we might get the happy, friendly Klan. But given the downward derp spiral they've been in, I doubt it.

Still not seeing any moral difference there bud

On one hand, there's very little. On the other hand, have you ever driven behind someone from Ohio? This isn't hate, it's just road rage.

OK, I'll ask you another way: is the reason the early KKK wanted to kill all white Northerners they ran into any way not in retaliation for them no longer being able to treat black people as livestock? And I make it a point to avoid Ohio, Nebraska is terrible enough of a flyover state for me, and I'm from MN and I lived close to the IA border in my childhood.


The weird thing is, Ohio driving isn't even that bad once your inside the state. But it's like there's this magical force-field on the turnpike that when you cross from Ohio to another state, if you have Ohio plates your brain just explodes and you forget what the hell that pedal on the right does and what right and left are.

And it's not like they're lost. It's a TURNPIKE! There's no off ramps or stoplights in the left lane. Just a speed limit they seem incapable of reaching and an understanding that everyone else is trying to go faster than that speed limit.
 
2014-04-20 08:45:12 AM  
The only thing these farking buttholes are good for is 1) target practice or 2) an example to the rest of society what is a farking butthole.  I prefer #1 myself, although I would be open to hanging them.  Poetic justice.
 
2014-04-20 08:46:41 AM  

Rann Xerox: FTA: The Klan could change its name, get a smooth-talking spokesperson, replace the robes with suits and take off those ridiculous hats, but underneath, people would recognize its message is the same.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 315x438]

Yep.


Dude, I'm not that big of a fan of Pat, but not even he is that bad.  Seriously.  He's mellowed a lot in his old age.
 
2014-04-20 09:12:54 AM  
This sounds like some sort of Photoshop challenge.
 
2014-04-20 09:14:00 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south


A lot has changed since 1867.

And I would say that it's a safe bet that few people today who are KKK supporters or sympathizers voted for the top of the Democratic ticket in 2008 and 2012, wouldn't you think?
 
2014-04-20 09:16:53 AM  
How about the new, friendlier Cu Clux Clan?
www.omni-chem.com
 
2014-04-20 09:19:37 AM  
 Another fine example of CNN "journalism".
 
2014-04-20 09:20:27 AM  

tirob: FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

A lot has changed since 1867.

And I would say that it's a safe bet that few people today who are KKK supporters or sympathizers voted for the top of the Democratic ticket in 2008 and 2012, wouldn't you think?


Don't bother man, once we actually took him to task for this jackassery and historical revisionism he split like a little coward. He came into the thread with nothing and left with even less.
 
2014-04-20 09:23:42 AM  
Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.
 
2014-04-20 09:26:34 AM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-20 09:27:56 AM  

Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.


I don't think the Klan was quite so against women having health care, or birth control.  But I could be wrong.
 
2014-04-20 09:42:53 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


1) Elvis has left the building.  If any of those guys were on the ballot anywhere, I might care what party they belonged to.

2) George Wallace quit the Democratic Party and ran as a third party candidate.

3) Jesse Helms.  Strom Thurmond.

4) Elvis has left the building.  If either of those guys were on the ballot anywhere, I might care what party they belonged to.

5) I care what the Democrats and Republicans stand for today.  There's plenty of reasoned criticism to offer toward the Democrats.  But whatever reason the Republicans ever possessed left the building the moment that first plane hit the tower.
 
2014-04-20 09:45:26 AM  

bobothemagnificent: Rann Xerox: FTA: The Klan could change its name, get a smooth-talking spokesperson, replace the robes with suits and take off those ridiculous hats, but underneath, people would recognize its message is the same.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 315x438]

Yep.

Dude, I'm not that big of a fan of Pat, but not even he is that bad.  Seriously.  He's mellowed a lot in his old age.


Yeah, now he just writes swoony paeans to that hunky Vlad Putin.
 
2014-04-20 09:48:11 AM  

staplermofo: I would watch every episode of Extreme Makeover: Hate Group Edition.


The "after" picture is a southern gentlemen, immaculately groomed and wearing a fitted suit, holding a sign that says "I respectfully oppose your ethnic and sociological diversity. Please emigrate"
 
2014-04-20 09:50:10 AM  

doglover: Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another.


www.austinchronicle.com
 
2014-04-20 09:58:33 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south


The guy who shot up the Jewish Community Center tried to run as a Democrat for governor of North Carolina in 1984. (He did not get anywhere close to getting the nomination.)

Two years later, he tried to run as a Republican for Senator.
 
2014-04-20 10:09:42 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: FloridaFarkTag: George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

1) Elvis has left the building.  If any of those guys were on the ballot anywhere, I might care what party they belonged to.

2) George Wallace quit the Democratic Party and ran as a third party candidate.

3) Jesse Helms.  Strom Thurmond.

4) Elvis has left the building.  If either of those guys were on the ballot anywhere, I might care what party they belonged to.

5) I care what the Democrats and Republicans stand for today.  There's plenty of reasoned criticism to offer toward the Democrats.  But whatever reason the Republicans ever possessed left the building the moment that first plane hit the towerReagan won the GOP Presidential primary.

 
2014-04-20 10:21:28 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: ...is...was...were


One of these words is not like others.
 
2014-04-20 10:31:37 AM  
Leave it to CNN to write an article about something as serious as the KKK and start it with the words "Pointy hats".
 
2014-04-20 10:34:42 AM  
www.smbc-comics.com
Not a science article, but still very applicable.  Thanks, CNN.
 
2014-04-20 10:42:20 AM  
 The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.

 They are always the first to inject race into politics and (not coincidentally) the only ones to hurl racial epithets like "Uncle Tom" at me.

 This is certainly not to imply that there isn't racism in the Republican ranks. There is and I've seen it. But speaking as somebody who's dealt with it my whole life, the lefties have been far worse about it.
 
2014-04-20 10:44:15 AM  

Fark You I'm Drunk: Leave it to CNN to write an article about something as serious as the KKK and start it with the words "Pointy hats".


"Pointy hats for pointy heads" sums up the Klan quite nicely, though. It's a good start, at least.
 
2014-04-20 10:46:16 AM  
The Klan will remain small because the Republican Party co-opted it's agenda.
 
2014-04-20 10:51:37 AM  

GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.

 They are always the first to inject race into politics and (not coincidentally) the only ones to hurl racial epithets like "Uncle Tom" at me.

 This is certainly not to imply that there isn't racism in the Republican ranks. There is and I've seen it. But speaking as somebody who's dealt with it my whole life, the lefties have been far worse about it.


You off to see the Wizard with that strawman?
 
2014-04-20 10:54:13 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south


Why is it you keep ignoring the mid 1960's?? Especially the years 1964 to 1973. When most racist Democrats (both north and south) jumped ship to the GOP. Your ignorance of history and it's misplacement of the facts is denial at it's best and flat out lying at it's worst.
 
2014-04-20 10:54:30 AM  

GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.
.


All of that has got to be frustrating to deal with if you're black.  I take it, however, that you're not as offended when right wingers express the opinion that blacks are an inferior species of human being.  It's been known to happen from time to time; I could cite you chapter and verse if you like.
 
2014-04-20 10:58:06 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.

 They are always the first to inject race into politics and (not coincidentally) the only ones to hurl racial epithets like "Uncle Tom" at me.

 This is certainly not to imply that there isn't racism in the Republican ranks. There is and I've seen it. But speaking as somebody who's dealt with it my whole life, the lefties have been far worse about it.

You off to see the Wizard with that strawman?


 Either you're claiming that liberals *don't* accuse the right of being racist, or you don't know what a "strawman" is.

Either way, you're funny! :D
 
2014-04-20 11:00:06 AM  

GoSlash27: Either you're claiming that liberals *don't* accuse the right of being racist, or you don't know what a "strawman" is.


So stop being racist?
 
2014-04-20 11:01:47 AM  

tirob: GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.
.

All of that has got to be frustrating to deal with if you're black.  I take it, however, that you're not as offended when right wingers express the opinion that blacks are an inferior species of human being.  It's been known to happen from time to time; I could cite you chapter and verse if you like.


As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.
 
2014-04-20 11:04:03 AM  

Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: Either you're claiming that liberals *don't* accuse the right of being racist, or you don't know what a "strawman" is.

So stop being racist?


He wouldn't be able to justify sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc. if he were to just admit he's and his have been intentionally doing this all along, or at least not caring that others were. Hence chiding empty chairs and the like.
 
2014-04-20 11:04:32 AM  
When did Clarence Thomas start posting on Fark?
 
2014-04-20 11:05:36 AM  

GoSlash27: tirob: GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.
.

All of that has got to be frustrating to deal with if you're black.  I take it, however, that you're not as offended when right wingers express the opinion that blacks are an inferior species of human being.  It's been known to happen from time to time; I could cite you chapter and verse if you like.

As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.


Yay for pretending the rest of us haven't caught on to obvious dog whistles!

Why don't you go read some old Ron Paul newsletters you dishonest jackass.
 
2014-04-20 11:08:53 AM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.

 They are always the first to inject race into politics and (not coincidentally) the only ones to hurl racial epithets like "Uncle Tom" at me.

 This is certainly not to imply that there isn't racism in the Republican ranks. There is and I've seen it. But speaking as somebody who's dealt with it my whole life, the lefties have been far worse about it.

You off to see the Wizard with that strawman?

 Either you're claiming that liberals *don't* accuse the right of being racist, or you don't know what a "strawman" is.

Either way, you're funny! :D


Judging by what I've been told by right-wing Fatkers, you can't be black. You'd be too busy playing the Knock Out Game to comment here.
 
2014-04-20 11:09:46 AM  

DemonEater: friday13: Educate yourself.

He knows full farking well that southern politicians regardless of party lines voted against the CRA.  He also knows full farking well the only southern politicians who voted for it were Democrats.  And he knows full farking well that all the racists bailed for the Republican party in 1964.

He just doesn't want to admit that his party is a refuge for farking racists, and lacks the spine the Democrats showed fifty years ago in kicking most of the human filth out of their party even though they knew it would cost them the south for generations.

I wish the Republicans had even a shred of that sort of moral decency.


Came in here to say this, but you did it so well I "favorited" you instead.

I also find it amazing how Republicans can remember all these things that happened long ago, yet seem to have no memory of the GW Bush administration ever happening.
 
2014-04-20 11:11:06 AM  

doglover: Actually, it appears I was lied to.

They were less a social club and more a guerrilla organization.

But, and this is important, they weren't racists. They wanted to lynch northerners of all colors, not just blacks. The "Aryan Blood" stuff didn't come out until the second and third Klans. Currently the Klan is actually one of several splinter organizations with no relation to one another. It's entirely possible one of them could come to their senses and we might get the happy, friendly Klan. But given the downward derp spiral they've been in, I doubt it.


They started as a group of disgruntled former Confederate soldiers who were angry because (1) they lost and (2) the social orders were overturned because the former slaves became soldiers and politicians and received educations and gathered wealth, something the average Southern white peasant farmer/Confederate veteran could not become (and something only a small percentage of former slaves could become, but anger is never rational). Their targets were the Northerners and their Southern agents, but their targets were also those who decided to upset the pre-war social orders. And the Southerners didn't even need the Klan to enforce the old orders, as lynchings and intimidations occurred by large uncovered mobs as well as by hooded men.
 
2014-04-20 11:13:50 AM  

GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.


Which party is trying to make it harder for non-whites to vote?

A few loudmouthed morans, whom I agree exist, are nothing compared to actual polities that are designed to be detrimental towards everyone but white males.
 
2014-04-20 11:16:28 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: Either you're claiming that liberals *don't* accuse the right of being racist, or you don't know what a "strawman" is.

So stop being racist?

He wouldn't be able to justify sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc. if he were to just admit he's and his have been intentionally doing this all along, or at least not caring that others were. Hence chiding empty chairs and the like.


^ Classic example.
 There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve. And since I'm a black guy myself, I must necessarily assume my place amongst all of the other black folks by supporting such policies. After all, these poor unfortunate black folks simply aren't capable of fending for themselves without help.

 Race baiting, racial identity politics, assumption of superiority. Right to my face and used as a weapon.

 Righties don't do this.
 
2014-04-20 11:16:42 AM  

soporific: GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.

Which party is trying to make it harder for non-whites to vote?

A few loudmouthed morans, whom I agree exist, are nothing compared to actual polities that are designed to be detrimental towards everyone but white males.


But but but while the GOP has been using fear of minorities to push wedge issues for decades in addition to pushing policy that would hurt those not in the economic and/or racial minority it's totes unfair to call them out for at least intentionally appealing to racists! For reasons such as.
 
2014-04-20 11:17:19 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: soporific: GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.

Which party is trying to make it harder for non-whites to vote?

A few loudmouthed morans, whom I agree exist, are nothing compared to actual polities that are designed to be detrimental towards everyone but white males.

But but but while the GOP has been using fear of minorities to push wedge issues for decades in addition to pushing policy that would hurt those not in the economic and/or racial minority it's totes unfair to call them out for at least intentionally appealing to racists! For reasons such as.


I admit to proofreading fail
 
2014-04-20 11:23:57 AM  

soporific: GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.

Which party is trying to make it harder for non-whites to vote?

A few loudmouthed morans, whom I agree exist, are nothing compared to actual polities that are designed to be detrimental towards everyone but white males.


If only that were true. Unfortunately, the right doesn't have a monopoly on such policies.
 First example that comes to mind is the welfare system that is designed to break up families and force people into dependency so they will vote a certain way.
 The war on drugs also comes to mind.
 
2014-04-20 11:25:06 AM  

GoSlash27: ^ Classic example.
 There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.


You're right, it might be that they hate all poor people and that it's just coincidental they push economic policies that limit upward mobility for all Americans, and while they know that as a result of slavery most African Americans are still stuck in poverty. That could just be a bonus to them.

And since I'm a black guy myself,I must necessarily assume my place amongst all of the other black folks by supporting such policies.

I'm a farking white guy and I oppose rightwing policies as they screw us all. The fact that you focus in on the racial aspect demonstrates just how lame you are. If you are actually black you're also ignoring how much the KKK and GOP's policies on economics and immigration happen to coincide.

And let it be known that pretending to be something you're not online to try to lend credibility to your position is a pretty well-known rightwing tactic.

After all, these poor unfortunate black folks simply aren't capable of fending for themselves without help.

And this is a strawman, as liberals never have said or believed this. Economic upward mobility in this nation has become exceptionally nonexistent as the middle class has shrunk, affecting all Americans of all racial backgrounds. But but but it's only about race!

 Race baiting, racial identity politics, assumption of superiority. Right to my face and used as a weapon.

 Righties don't do this.


As I said you're ignoring or utterly ignorant of obvious dog whistles.
 
2014-04-20 11:27:53 AM  

GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.


Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.
 
2014-04-20 11:30:29 AM  
"When did Clarence Thomas start posting on Fark?"

^ Right! Because I'm black first and a person second.
/don't even agree with Thomas
//but it's the closest available pigeonhole
/// racism is ugly
 
2014-04-20 11:30:56 AM  

GoSlash27: If only that were true. Unfortunately, the right doesn't have a monopoly on such policies.
 First example that comes to mind is the welfare system that is designed to break up families and force people into dependency so they will vote a certain way.


I grew up on welfare, and using public aid I went to college, got into tech support and now have a fulltime job where I pay income taxes every year. This rightwing myth is just that, a myth. You're also forgetting that the New Deal brought us out of the Great Depression and benefitted all Americans of all racial backgrounds.

 The war on drugs also comes to mind.

Which was started by Republicans, made more serious by Republicans, and has been used as a wedge issue by Republicans and been used to incarcerate minorities at a massively higher rate than whites by Republicans. Why on earth are we treating marijuana- which was made illegal partially for pretty racist (anti-Mexican and anti-Jazz musician) reasons- treated like heroine and crack in the legal system?
 
2014-04-20 11:35:07 AM  
Aren't they just called teabaggers now?
 
2014-04-20 11:35:42 AM  

Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.


But  GoSlash27, who no one in this thread has ever met IRL, says he's black. Therefor whatever he says must totally be true, and universally applicable to the whole black experience, even though the mass majority of black people vote Democrat. Or something.
 
2014-04-20 11:36:13 AM  

Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.


 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.
 
2014-04-20 11:39:51 AM  

GoSlash27: Right! Because I'm black first and a person second.


We get it, you're black. You've mentioned it five times in this thread.
 
2014-04-20 11:40:58 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

But  GoSlash27, who no one in this thread has ever met IRL, says he's black. Therefor whatever he says must totally be true, and universally applicable to the whole black experience, even though the mass majority of black people vote Democrat. Or something.


Anyone who's interested is capable of verifying my race if they choose to. I don't have a lot going on today, so if you just want to insist on being publicly pantsed, all you have to do is accuse me of lying about my race.

/all the same to me
 
2014-04-20 11:41:17 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: log_jammin: FloridaFarkTag: Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is DemocratConsertive.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping RepublicansLiberals from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republicanfor Liberals

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was DemocratsConseratives....and DemocratsConseratives  were the Klan members in the south

FTFY

Nope...the Klan were Democrats....and one of their main objectives was to keep Blacks from voting GOP

Obviously, you watch a bit too much MSNBC....


David Duke sends his love.
 
2014-04-20 11:41:26 AM  

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.


And when the GOP targets the inner city- demographically which contains the lionshare of the African American population- for budget cuts to such things as public education- which I can tell you is farking necessary to lift oneself out of poverty- and leaves it in place in rural areas which are historically "white" areas, that's not intentional racial engineering at least by the GOP. Sure. Keep ignoring the obvious.
 
2014-04-20 11:42:40 AM  

jaytkay: GoSlash27: Right! Because I'm black first and a person second.

We get it, you're black. You've mentioned it five times in this thread.


Don't be all butt-hurt because I called you out. You're the one who brought up Clarence Thomas, not me.
/ racist
 
2014-04-20 11:42:53 AM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

But  GoSlash27, who no one in this thread has ever met IRL, says he's black. Therefor whatever he says must totally be true, and universally applicable to the whole black experience, even though the mass majority of black people vote Democrat. Or something.

Anyone who's interested is capable of verifying my race if they choose to. I don't have a lot going on today, so if you just want to insist on being publicly pantsed, all you have to do is accuse me of lying about my race.

/all the same to me


No one cares. You're posting woo that's not smart or true or acceptable no matter the color of your skin. You also keep finding excuses not to actually respond to the meat of my posts, mostly as you got nothing.
 
2014-04-20 11:44:50 AM  

GoSlash27: jaytkay: GoSlash27: Right! Because I'm black first and a person second.

We get it, you're black. You've mentioned it five times in this thread.

Don't be all butt-hurt because I called you out. You're the one who brought up Clarence Thomas, not me.
/ racist


Other than the drug war, the politics you've displayed matched his, and you brought this on yourself by bringing up your race. No one cares about the race of any particular Farker until some dingbat trying to use his background to make up for his lack of rationale brings it up.
 
2014-04-20 11:45:31 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.

And when the GOP targets the inner city- demographically which contains the lionshare of the African American population- for budget cuts to such things as public education- which I can tell you is farking necessary to lift oneself out of poverty- and leaves it in place in rural areas which are historically "white" areas, that's not intentional racial engineering at least by the GOP. Sure. Keep ignoring the obvious.


Funny, I found that escaping the public school system was what did the trick for me.
 
2014-04-20 11:48:19 AM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.

And when the GOP targets the inner city- demographically which contains the lionshare of the African American population- for budget cuts to such things as public education- which I can tell you is farking necessary to lift oneself out of poverty- and leaves it in place in rural areas which are historically "white" areas, that's not intentional racial engineering at least by the GOP. Sure. Keep ignoring the obvious.

Funny, I found that escaping the public school system was what did the trick for me.


Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?
 
2014-04-20 11:50:38 AM  
Well, I mean, we'll probably never see this again:

www.boomantribune.com

But considering the market for this

www.outsidethebeltway.com

and this

ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com

. . . yeah, unfortunately I think there's room for them to expand.
 
2014-04-20 11:51:02 AM  
So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable
 
2014-04-20 11:51:34 AM  

The Name: Well, I mean, we'll probably never see this again:

[www.boomantribune.com image 480x320]

But considering the market for this

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 225x194]

and this

[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

. . . yeah, unfortunately I think there's room for them to expand.


TOTES NOT TRYING TO APPEAL TO RACISTS
 
2014-04-20 11:51:55 AM  

GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable


Well, bless your heart.
 
2014-04-20 11:52:39 AM  

GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable


If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.
 
2014-04-20 11:56:56 AM  

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve.

Well not hating black people.  Just making the assumption that they're too lazy and need the destruction of social services to encourage a strong work ethic that wouldn't be there otherwise.  Which isn't racist at all.

 "Lazy" isn't the problem. If you'd have lived it yourself, you would know that. "Trapped" is a much more accurate description.


Why is it that conservatives never use the term "trapped" to describe white folks (who utilize social services far more) but insist that unless we dismantle the system minorities will never learn to fend for themselves?
 
2014-04-20 11:57:47 AM  
Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.
 
2014-04-20 12:03:07 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable

If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.


 Maybe I oughtta actually introduce a strawman. That way you'd have something to grasp at :D

 Since I see it in the media, I'm pretty sure it goes a wee bit beyond "anecdotal"
 
2014-04-20 12:04:26 PM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.


Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor
 
2014-04-20 12:06:43 PM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable

If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.

 Maybe I oughtta actually introduce a strawman. That way you'd have something to grasp at :D

 Since I see it in the media, I'm pretty sure it goes a wee bit beyond "anecdotal"


Elaborate or I'll assume you're asserting without support as you got nothing. You've just played butthurt we all don't just fall in line because you said so this whole thread.
 
2014-04-20 12:08:52 PM  
Again llama, how does welfare "trap" people into its lifestyle?
 
2014-04-20 12:13:34 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.

Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor


<img src="www.examiner.com
/Did I break your concentration? :D
 
2014-04-20 12:21:37 PM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.

Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor

<img src="[www.examiner.com image 500x392]
/Did I break your concentration? :D


Hardly, this is pretty clownshoes debating your using against me. BTW your neat cherrypicked data in a form of a graph ignores all of the funding the Federal government cut to other state grants etc., which resulted in states shifting funds away from public education and into things like keeping cops etc. paid. Instead of the states helping pay for public education they mostly let the Federal government fund it solely now, and this lame graph does not take that into account.

Also I see nothing on elementary school education, which is the most critical to get just right if we don't want to merely perpetuate the socioeconomic issues. By high school age (especially 17) many kids who have already been most failed by the education system have dropped out and of course they aren't bringing down the averages anymore.

Find a less stupidly partisan source of data than the Cato Institute btw, and answer my question which I have posed to you several times and you keep ignoring:

How does welfare trap people?
 
2014-04-20 12:22:12 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Nope...the Klan were Democrats....and one of their main objectives was to keep Blacks from voting GOP


I bet they've kept up their efforts right through to today, right? The KKK always out there, waving their Democrat/Obama flags.
 
2014-04-20 12:22:37 PM  
Back to the graph it also doesn't list how much money was dispersed by the Federal government for public education either.
 
2014-04-20 12:23:03 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable

If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.

 Maybe I oughtta actually introduce a strawman. That way you'd have something to grasp at :D

 Since I see it in the media, I'm pretty sure it goes a wee bit beyond "anecdotal"

Elaborate or I'll assume you're asserting without support as you got nothing. You've just played butthurt we all don't just fall in line because you said so this whole thread.


Elaborate on examples of overt lefty racism?
 I'm surprised you'd ask for that, but alright *shrug*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPcpW-wQpB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-EXwzQSLbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih0nxexkCzU
 
2014-04-20 12:25:05 PM  
Hey guys, maybe we need another Testament.  This Old one hasn't held the test of time so we need to rebrand ourselves.  Lets drop a lot of the violence stuff but we need to keep a little bit of the hate though.  And throw in a prophecy for the end of the world.  They'll eat that shiat up.  We'll call it ... the New Testament.  We need some friendly PR if we're gonna get some new followers.
 
2014-04-20 12:25:23 PM  
 Crotchrocket,
 I can only respond to 1 wharrgarbl at a time.

You seem to really want to know how welfare traps people, so I'll elaborate on that. Gimme a few minutes.
/please and thank you...
 
2014-04-20 12:30:08 PM  

GoSlash27: Elaborate on examples of overt lefty racism?
I'm surprised you'd ask for that, but alright *shrug*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPcpW-wQpB0


People saying mean things about Brietbart is very racist.
 
2014-04-20 12:30:28 PM  
Geez, GoSlash27 trolled the hell out of this thread while I was at church.
 
2014-04-20 12:31:16 PM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: So to summarize:

CNN: KKK= LOL
Farklibs: KKK= Republicans
Me: Actually, my personal experience is that libs have been much more overtly racist towards me.
Farklibs: RACIST WHARRGARBL!

/predictable

If your private education hadn't been a joke, you'd know that the plural of anecdote isn't farking data.

 Maybe I oughtta actually introduce a strawman. That way you'd have something to grasp at :D

 Since I see it in the media, I'm pretty sure it goes a wee bit beyond "anecdotal"

Elaborate or I'll assume you're asserting without support as you got nothing. You've just played butthurt we all don't just fall in line because you said so this whole thread.

Elaborate on examples of overt lefty racism?
 I'm surprised you'd ask for that, but alright *shrug*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPcpW-wQpB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-EXwzQSLbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih0nxexkCzU


Oh wow farking youtube uploads of trolls at political rallies, that sure is popular mass media yup. Two minutes of my own youtube searching wouldn't turn up uploads of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh doing the same thing (you know, people who actually are broadcast to the masses and have followings instead of these two bit slacktivists). That's the same as popular pro-GOP bumper stickers which allude to calling the President a N*bong* sure, that's not complete false equivocation.

You also refuse to answer the question I keep posing to you:  How does welfare trap people? How does welfare trap people? How does welfare trap people? How does welfare trap people?

You never do answer this as it's just rightwing rhetoric devoid of any reality you're spewing. You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person?
 
2014-04-20 12:32:35 PM  

Alphax: Geez, GoSlash27 trolled the hell out of this thread while I was at church.


Indeed, and I don't expect a non-derpy response should he ever put one together. More Cato Institute or other GOP thinktank cherrypicked BS I'll bet
 
2014-04-20 12:36:36 PM  
static.comicvine.com
 
2014-04-20 12:38:33 PM  
Yeah I guess the troll got me to respond. "Black people need to be like  this" is a new trolling gimmick though.
 
2014-04-20 12:39:08 PM  
...outside of old Richard Pryor bits that is.
 
2014-04-20 12:42:59 PM  
Now for starters, let's get some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap

An example of the phenomenon at work.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-trap-is-stopping-people -f rom-taking-jobs-29529657.html

In my personal experience, My family was subjected to it in the early '90s and we were able to fight our way out of it.
 On top of the usual dependency trap stuff (sue your baby- daddy or no benefits, benefits will be curtailed and eliminated before you earn enough to be self- sufficient, and your standard of living is best if you don't work), they added a cute trick: Rent was established based on your monthly income rather than a fixed rate, and it was nonlinear. The idea was to keep middle class renters out of public housing, but the effect was keeping poor people from ever becoming middle class. After all, if you're living there, you're poor (nobody lives there unless they have to) and if you take a job, you cannot afford the rent and can't afford to save up to move.

 We were able to make it out of that, largely by not taking most of the "benefits" and swimming upstream, but most of the people we knew back then never made it out. Particularly the guys, who mainly ended up dead.

 A lot of people don't know that such traps exist, and I can't fairly blame them for it... but the politicians *do* know about this and it's just the way they like it. Those politicians are on the left, not the right.
 
2014-04-20 12:43:08 PM  
If I had to do PR for the KKK, the word "rebrand", or anything that remotely sounds like "brand", wouldn't figure into my output, y'know? I mean, what's next?

"KKK: Whipping our image back into shape!"
"KKK: Remastering our past!"
"KKK: Taking stock and breaking chains!"
 
2014-04-20 12:44:25 PM  

GoSlash27: tirob: GoSlash27: The ol' race card. Didn't take long.

 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.
.

All of that has got to be frustrating to deal with if you're black.  I take it, however, that you're not as offended when right wingers express the opinion that blacks are an inferior species of human being.  It's been known to happen from time to time; I could cite you chapter and verse if you like.

As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.


Well, if you're black, they wouldn't say it to your face for obvious reasons.  However, the belief that blacks are "inferior" has an agenda behind it most of the time whether you are willing to admit it or not; it is **often** a weapon.   A great many people who believe that blacks are "inferior" also believe as a corollary that we should implement social policies that reflect this belief--up to and including segregation, denial of voting rights for blacks, or even worse in the most extreme cases.
 
2014-04-20 12:45:22 PM  
You know what, I'll give  GoSlash27 something, assuming he wants to continue this gimmick:

The GOP hates all poor people, it's probably just coincidental that their policies seem to hurt minorities- especially African Americans- much more than poor Americans who happen to be white (and to be fair a lot of that is the Drug War). They probably are never going to consider setting up concentration camps etc. though, as having a large group of disaffected people in our society is very useful for their purposes.
 
2014-04-20 12:46:39 PM  
"You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack
 
2014-04-20 12:47:38 PM  

GoSlash27: Now for starters, let's get some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap

An example of the phenomenon at work.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-trap-is-stopping-people -f rom-taking-jobs-29529657.html

In my personal experience, My family was subjected to it in the early '90s and we were able to fight our way out of it.
 On top of the usual dependency trap stuff (sue your baby- daddy or no benefits, benefits will be curtailed and eliminated before you earn enough to be self- sufficient, and your standard of living is best if you don't work), they added a cute trick: Rent was established based on your monthly income rather than a fixed rate, and it was nonlinear. The idea was to keep middle class renters out of public housing, but the effect was keeping poor people from ever becoming middle class. After all, if you're living there, you're poor (nobody lives there unless they have to) and if you take a job, you cannot afford the rent and can't afford to save up to move.

 We were able to make it out of that, largely by not taking most of the "benefits" and swimming upstream, but most of the people we knew back then never made it out. Particularly the guys, who mainly ended up dead.

 A lot of people don't know that such traps exist, and I can't fairly blame them for it... but the politicians *do* know about this and it's just the way they like it. Those politicians are on the left, not the right.


You're still laming out with assuming your experience is universal, in a discussion on public policy both of our experiences are worth jack shiat. Where's your data... from the United States? And not a lame data-less link about Ireland either.

Clownshoes indeed.
 
2014-04-20 12:48:52 PM  

GoSlash27: "You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack


As have been your posts and attempts at defending your dataless positions.
 
2014-04-20 12:50:39 PM  

FormlessOne: If I had to do PR for the KKK, the word "rebrand", or anything that remotely sounds like "brand", wouldn't figure into my output, y'know? I mean, what's next?

"KKK: Whipping our image back into shape!"
"KKK: Remastering our past!"
"KKK: Taking stock and breaking chains!"


Can't help myself:

"Forging the chains of the future - this isn't your great-great-great-grandpappy's KKK!"
"KKK: The rebirth of a nation!"
"KKK: Circular organization, linear thinking!"
"KKK: Reforging the Ironclad Oath of yesterday to the Steelclad Oath of tomorrow!"
"KKK: 33/5 isn't just for mathematicians and racists any more!"

Seriously, friggin' bigots, just give up. If you can't adapt, just friggin' die and get it over with - you're a roadblock to the progression of humanity, bigots.
 
2014-04-20 12:51:08 PM  
tirob:

Well, if you're black, they wouldn't say it to your face for obvious reasons.  However, the belief that blacks are "inferior" has an agenda behind it most of the time whether you are willing to admit it or not; it is **often** a weapon.   A great many people who believe that blacks are "inferior" also believe as a corollary that we should implement social policies that reflect this belief--up to and including segregation, denial of voting rights for blacks, or even worse in the most extreme cases.

 No argument here. My point is that racists exist on both sides and the ones on the left *will* say it to your face. Some folks around here were kind enough to provide examples.
 
2014-04-20 12:51:22 PM  

GoSlash27: Now for starters, let's get some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap

An example of the phenomenon at work.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-trap-is-stopping-people -f rom-taking-jobs-29529657.html

In my personal experience, My family was subjected to it in the early '90s and we were able to fight our way out of it.
 On top of the usual dependency trap stuff (sue your baby- daddy or no benefits, benefits will be curtailed and eliminated before you earn enough to be self- sufficient, and your standard of living is best if you don't work), they added a cute trick: Rent was established based on your monthly income rather than a fixed rate, and it was nonlinear. The idea was to keep middle class renters out of public housing, but the effect was keeping poor people from ever becoming middle class. After all, if you're living there, you're poor (nobody lives there unless they have to) and if you take a job, you cannot afford the rent and can't afford to save up to move.

 We were able to make it out of that, largely by not taking most of the "benefits" and swimming upstream, but most of the people we knew back then never made it out. Particularly the guys, who mainly ended up dead.

 A lot of people don't know that such traps exist, and I can't fairly blame them for it... but the politicians *do* know about this and it's just the way they like it. Those politicians are on the left, not the right.


You see, it's only a "trap" for "lazy inner-city men".

Paul Ryan, notable left-wing politician utilizing theories from flaming liberal Charles Murray.

But black and Latinos have an excuse because they're not as intelligent as white people.  This isn't racist at all.
 
2014-04-20 12:52:14 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: "You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack

As have been your posts and attempts at defending your dataless positions.


Sigh. I admit I'm one of the more troll-susceptible people on Fark, but, seriously, let it go. Even I saw that he was trolling. His positions are indefensible because they weren't meant to be defended.
 
2014-04-20 12:53:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: Now for starters, let's get some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap

An example of the phenomenon at work.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-trap-is-stopping-people -f rom-taking-jobs-29529657.html

In my personal experience, My family was subjected to it in the early '90s and we were able to fight our way out of it.
 On top of the usual dependency trap stuff (sue your baby- daddy or no benefits, benefits will be curtailed and eliminated before you earn enough to be self- sufficient, and your standard of living is best if you don't work), they added a cute trick: Rent was established based on your monthly income rather than a fixed rate, and it was nonlinear. The idea was to keep middle class renters out of public housing, but the effect was keeping poor people from ever becoming middle class. After all, if you're living there, you're poor (nobody lives there unless they have to) and if you take a job, you cannot afford the rent and can't afford to save up to move.

 We were able to make it out of that, largely by not taking most of the "benefits" and swimming upstream, but most of the people we knew back then never made it out. Particularly the guys, who mainly ended up dead.

 A lot of people don't know that such traps exist, and I can't fairly blame them for it... but the politicians *do* know about this and it's just the way they like it. Those politicians are on the left, not the right.

You see, it's only a "trap" for "lazy inner-city men".

Paul Ryan, notable left-wing politician utilizing theories from flaming liberal Charles Murray.

But black and Latinos have an excuse because they're not as intelligent as white people.  This isn't racist at all.


But he says he's black! And he has unverifiable personal stories! And no-data blurbs about the Irish welfare system! That's totally not half assed troll debating!
 
2014-04-20 12:55:02 PM  

FormlessOne: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: "You're clownshoes, you're pathetic, you never had a valid thing to add to this thread. You suck as a Farker, no matter what your background actually is. Maybe you're just a really dumb person? "

 I accept your surrender ;)
/ad homs are wack

As have been your posts and attempts at defending your dataless positions.

Sigh. I admit I'm one of the more troll-susceptible people on Fark, but, seriously, let it go. Even I saw that he was trolling. His positions are indefensible because they weren't meant to be defended.


I want to see how lame this gets :) I want to see him struggle to not answer my question in any not lameass way.
 
2014-04-20 12:56:09 PM  
lesquestionscomposent.fr
 
2014-04-20 12:57:33 PM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: Either you're claiming that liberals *don't* accuse the right of being racist, or you don't know what a "strawman" is.

So stop being racist?

He wouldn't be able to justify sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc. if he were to just admit he's and his have been intentionally doing this all along, or at least not caring that others were. Hence chiding empty chairs and the like.

^ Classic example.
 There cannot *possibly* be any reason to support "sacking the social infrastructure in areas where he knows are populated by mostly black people etc" other than hating black people and wanting them to starve. And since I'm a black guy myself, I must necessarily assume my place amongst all of the other black folks by supporting such policies. After all, these poor unfortunate black folks simply aren't capable of fending for themselves without help.

 Race baiting, racial identity politics, assumption of superiority. Right to my face and used as a weapon.

 Righties don't do this.


Not explicitly...


GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim:

Again your experience is far from universal or could be applied universally, racial background be damned. Cutting funding to public education also doesn't make private education cheaper or more attainable for the poor, but let's not let actual facts make it into your discussion right?

 At least now we're correctly applying our logical fallacies (composition error vs. strawman).
 Yeah, my story is pretty unique (of course, so is everyone else's), and the alternative in my case wasn't private school, but rather self- education.
 Yeah, cutting funding to public education wouldn't be expected to improve it, but then again I haven't seen any improvement from *increasing* funding, either... So maybe "funding" isn't actually the problem.

Considering it's been underfunded for years under Bush, that's the first place to begin.

Still waiting for you to stop ignoring the blatant race baiting of the GOP with using fear of minorities as wedge issues (and the straight up racist bumper stickers and more subtle dog whistles in their rhetoric) and just how social programs which benefit us all is somehow "racebaiting" blacks, or just how welfare "traps" people into it. That line is rich, like Beetlejuice "cracks up every time he watches the Exorcist" rich
/misses Michael Keaton as a comedic actor

<img src="[www.examiner.com image 500x392]
/Did I break your concentration? :D


Source, please?
 
2014-04-20 12:58:03 PM  
 
2014-04-20 01:03:42 PM  
friday13:
Not explicitly...

 Yeah, that's what "to my face" generally means.

Source, please?
Posted in the graph.
 
2014-04-20 01:08:07 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim:
Wharrgarbl

I've already accepted your surrender. Our conversation ended when you began hurling insults like an enraged chimp with a mitt full of feces.
 I will be happy to discuss this with anyone who can do so without name- calling. You're clearly not on that list.

/Happy Easter
 
2014-04-20 01:08:24 PM  
Well this is a disappointed debate, blatant ignoring of racist dog whistles and everything
 
2014-04-20 01:14:49 PM  

Fart_Machine: Also some problems with the poverty trap theory.

The hammock theory truly begins to fall apart once you look at the relatively short periods of time the poor actually remain poor. Americans tend to think of poverty as a chronic condition-the financial equivalent of acute and crippling arthritis. But it's largely more like a broken bone: something many of us suffer and most recuperate from. Mark Rank, a professor of social work at Washington University in St. Louis, and his collaborators have found that between the ages of 25 and 60, almost 40 percent of Americans will spend a year living under the poverty line, but only 11.6 percent spend five years or more of their adult lives impoverished. Likewise, Rank finds that 45 percent take advantage of the safety net at some point, but only 16.4 percent do so for more than five years.


"Theory"??
LMAO... You'd have to go a long way to convince me that the welfare trap is merely "theoretical".
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/policyblog/detail/welfare-trap s- good-people-in-broken-system

/been there, done that
 
2014-04-20 01:15:17 PM  

GoSlash27: T
 In my experience, ultra- lefties have exhibited much more racism toward me than uber- conservatives. It's only been the lefties who have assumed that
-I'm black and therefore must think and act a certain way
-I'm black and therefore disadvantaged, thus requiring their benevolent assistance.

They are always the first to inject race into politics and (not coincidentally) the only ones to hurl racial epithets like "Uncle Tom" at me.

This is certainly not to imply that there isn't racism in the Republican ranks. There is and I've seen it. But speaking as somebody who's dealt with it my whole life, the lefties have been far worse about it.



Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues.
So of course they aren't going to bring up race, because they don't want to address any of the race issues.

And probably the reason you don't see it from "uber-conservatives" is they don't have the balls to look you in the face and tell you what they think.

but please, remind us which ideology needs guns to protect them from "thugs" and using dog whistles to suggest everyone on welfare is black, all the while trying to make it harder for certain demographics to vote.

Remind us again which ideology acted like the world ended when Obama was elected.    Remind us again which party the KKK, Aryan Nation, etc are likely to vote for.

please, proceed.
 
2014-04-20 01:17:44 PM  

GoSlash27: I will be happy to discuss this with anyone who can do so without name- calling.


But you didn't and haven't actually discussed it at all. You assumed your personal experience was universal and when repeated confronted with the fact that it is not, you accused people of insulting you personally. Just because you self-identify as black doesn't make you a spokesperson for anybody else but yourself--but your assumption that somehow it does and therefore people should take you seriously suggests you want to race-bait everyone else as a condition of discussion, especially when you make blanket statements about 'liberals' being the real 'racists.'
 
2014-04-20 01:21:11 PM  

GoSlash27: They are always the first to inject race into politics


Says the person who just got finished challenging blanket statements when they are applied to "him."

Seriously. Trolling a Klan thread with reheated Booker T. Washington has got to be a handicap penalty of -1000 or so, not matter how many bites you get.
 
2014-04-20 01:21:31 PM  
Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...
 
2014-04-20 01:24:28 PM  

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: Also some problems with the poverty trap theory.

The hammock theory truly begins to fall apart once you look at the relatively short periods of time the poor actually remain poor. Americans tend to think of poverty as a chronic condition-the financial equivalent of acute and crippling arthritis. But it's largely more like a broken bone: something many of us suffer and most recuperate from. Mark Rank, a professor of social work at Washington University in St. Louis, and his collaborators have found that between the ages of 25 and 60, almost 40 percent of Americans will spend a year living under the poverty line, but only 11.6 percent spend five years or more of their adult lives impoverished. Likewise, Rank finds that 45 percent take advantage of the safety net at some point, but only 16.4 percent do so for more than five years.

"Theory"??
LMAO... You'd have to go a long way to convince me that the welfare trap is merely "theoretical".
http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/policyblog/detail/welfare-trap s- good-people-in-broken-system

/been there, done that


Well your "Free Market Theory" think tank using a news story about one person is very convincing especially since the above data confirms that for the vast majority of people who utilize social services do so temporarily.  So every person who applies for welfare gets $80K in benefits?  LMAO!
 
2014-04-20 01:27:55 PM  

GoSlash27: As I said, it does happen and I don't pretend it doesn't. *But* (of course there's a but) when it happens (which is rare) they don't say it to my face or use it as a weapon like lefties tend to do.


my hobby:  painting with broad strokes in an attempt to complain about people painting with broad stokes.

GoSlash27: First example that comes to mind is the welfare system that is designed to break up families and force people into dependency so they will vote a certain way.


WTF?  You do realize that the welfare system is largley used by single mothers from familes that have already beenbroken up, right?

The war on drugs also comes to mind.


and which ideology is most interested in continuing this war on drugs?
 
2014-04-20 01:30:31 PM  

GoSlash27: tirob:

Well, if you're black, they wouldn't say it to your face for obvious reasons.  However, the belief that blacks are "inferior" has an agenda behind it most of the time whether you are willing to admit it or not; it is **often** a weapon.   A great many people who believe that blacks are "inferior" also believe as a corollary that we should implement social policies that reflect this belief--up to and including segregation, denial of voting rights for blacks, or even worse in the most extreme cases.

 No argument here. My point is that racists exist on both sides and the ones on the left *will* say it to your face. Some folks around here were kind enough to provide examples.


Even the most patronizing and paternalistic leftie won't argue for second class citizenship for blacks or for the suppression of black votes, though.  There's that in their favor.
 
2014-04-20 01:33:10 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK


African-American political conservatism is not a gimmick. Its one of the many politics to emerge in the later 19th century and get a boost with the major social transformations of the Great Migration. Especially in the use of entrepreneurship and boosting of social morals black conservatism has been a potent, if underacknowledged force. Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam were not 'LBJ great society liberals' in any sense.
 
2014-04-20 01:34:08 PM  
blastoh:


Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues.
So of course they aren't going to bring up race, because they don't want to address any of the race issues.

And probably the reason you don't see it from "uber-conservatives" is they don't have the balls to look you in the face and tell you what they think.

but please, remind us which ideology needs guns to protect them from "thugs" and using dog whistles to suggest everyone on welfare is black, all the while trying to make it harder for certain demographics to vote.

Remind us again which ideology acted like the world ended when Obama was elected.    Remind us again which party the KKK, Aryan Nation, etc are likely to vote for.

please, proceed.


 Could be. Could *also* be that the mainstream righties simply don't reduce every argument to race. Could be that attributing the racism of the whacko fringe to the right as a whole is a composition fallacy at best or an attempt to demonize the opposition at worst.
 Could also be that, couldn't it?

 I happen to agree with the notion that Americans should have a right to protect themselves from thugs, that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.
 It could just be that a large chunk of Americans (if not an outright majority) happen to agree with me on these issues and more. The same Americans who happened to vote for the black guy for President.
 Could be that.
 
2014-04-20 01:37:23 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...


Your perception of time and mine are apparently not the same. Either that, or you stuck around for at least two hours after "quick" was over.
 
2014-04-20 01:39:23 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...


And there it is, folks. Anyone else here think it's totes kewl to call a black guy an "uncle tom" in front of God and everybody? Or are you like me and find it insulting and repugnant?
/racist lefty is racist
// not the first time
/// won't be the last
 
2014-04-20 01:43:58 PM  

GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...

And there it is, folks. Anyone else here think it's totes kewl to call a black guy an "uncle tom" in front of God and everybody? Or are you like me and find it insulting and repugnant?
/racist lefty is racist
// not the first time
/// won't be the last


I was talking about Tom Sawyer, I don't know WTF you're on about troll
 
2014-04-20 01:44:00 PM  

Fart_Machine: Also some problems with the poverty trap theory.

The hammock theory truly begins to fall apart once you look at the relatively short periods of time the poor actually remain poor. Americans tend to think of poverty as a chronic condition-the financial equivalent of acute and crippling arthritis. But it's largely more like a broken bone: something many of us suffer and most recuperate from. Mark Rank, a professor of social work at Washington University in St. Louis, and his collaborators have found that between the ages of 25 and 60, almost 40 percent of Americans will spend a year living under the poverty line, but only 11.6 percent spend five years or more of their adult lives impoverished. Likewise, Rank finds that 45 percent take advantage of the safety net at some point, but only 16.4 percent do so for more than five years.


This.  Poverty is a broken bone for the individual.  However, it is a cancer on society.  Republicans have this misguided concept that hardship and suffering of the few is required to ensure that society as a whole thrives.  When in fact, systemic poverty just drags us all down.
 
2014-04-20 01:45:53 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: GoSlash27: Crotchrocket Slim: Man this is getting boring quick. Moving on to watching something else but I might be back, so somebody say something intelligent or at least interesting.

Rather telling someone would adopt the gimmick of "black Conservative" and defend that position in a thread about the KKK. As if there was an obvious term from a book about a cabin here that might fit...

And there it is, folks. Anyone else here think it's totes kewl to call a black guy an "uncle tom" in front of God and everybody? Or are you like me and find it insulting and repugnant?
/racist lefty is racist
// not the first time
/// won't be the last

I was talking about Tom Sawyer, I don't know WTF you're on about troll


Though it's funny you're not examining if your politics might actually earn that title, you just wanted an excuse to be butthurt. Happy to oblige!
/I'll usually leave that honor for strippers I slip an extra $100 when their shift ends and... I've said too much
 
2014-04-20 01:49:14 PM  

GoSlash27: that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.


Most African-Americans see a partisan issue with that, and you'd have to admit that support for Voter ID laws tend to fall with lowering economic status, or what rational people call "class" issues. Structural issues along class and racial lines tend to reinforce each other. This is why people can argue whether Obama is an 'elitist thug' or whether he's "Black" enough. Not that you've responded in good faith so far to anybody, but this will give the others in the thread something to ponder.
 
2014-04-20 02:19:13 PM  
I thought that the kkk rebranded as "the Republican party" back in the 80s
 
2014-04-20 02:21:45 PM  

Somacandra: GoSlash27: that photo ID when voting is a fundamentally good idea, and I'm not so hot on Obama myself. Hard to imagine, but none of that has anything to do with race.

Most African-Americans see a partisan issue with that, and you'd have to admit that support for Voter ID laws tend to fall with lowering economic status, or what rational people call "class" issues. Structural issues along class and racial lines tend to reinforce each other. This is why people can argue whether Obama is an 'elitist thug' or whether he's "Black" enough. Not that you've responded in good faith so far to anybody, but this will give the others in the thread something to ponder.


I'm not sure if you're referring to just one of these topics, or all 3. Either way, your response has nothing to do with the point: Racism is not a prerequisite for siding with the conservative viewpoint. If people had to be "racist" to disapprove of gun control, voting without ID, or Obama, then surely they wouldn't have voted for a black guy for President.
 There are racists on the right and I've said so repeatedly throughout this thread. But it's intellectually dishonest to ascribe "racism" to everyone that disagrees with you, as if *that* is the only possible explanation.
 
2014-04-20 02:25:46 PM  

GoSlash27: If people had to be "racist" to disapprove of gun control, voting without ID, or Obama, then surely they wouldn't have voted for a black guy for President.


Obama was elected by people who hate gun control and Obama?
 
2014-04-20 02:27:49 PM  
 Strawman much?
 
2014-04-20 02:33:39 PM  
 
2014-04-20 02:36:14 PM  
"What would you be left with? Benign racism?" asked Jelani Cobb, director of the Africana Studies Institute at the University of Connecticut.

If I had to choose between the shootey racism and the "benign" racism, I'd probably go with benign.  I mean, it's still racism but one is arguably worse than the other.
 
2014-04-20 02:40:13 PM  

GoSlash27: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_polit i cs/march_2014/53_oppose_stricter_gun_control_laws

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-concerns-about-voter-fra ud -spur-broad-support-for-voter-id-laws/2012/08/11/40db3aba-e2fb-11e1-ae 7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.as px

 If these poll results are attributable to "racism", then Obama cannot possibly be President. Ergo, they are *not* attributable to "racism".

 I would've thought it wouldn't have been necessary to spell it out.



my point above, about republicans needing guns to protect themselves from thugs wasn't a reference to gun control, but a reference to the GOP being scared of black people.  See also: treyvon martin

but you know this already...  this is how we know you are trolling.
 
2014-04-20 02:44:23 PM  
 blastoh:
"Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues."


I should've pointed out earlier that this is a false choice fallacy. Instead of pretending that either a) nothing is a race issue or b) friggin *EVERYTHING* is a race issue, how'sabout we consider a third possibility:

 Some things are race issues and some things are not?

/how's that for a slice of fried gold?
 
2014-04-20 02:49:03 PM  

Lsherm: "What would you be left with? Benign racism?" asked Jelani Cobb, director of the Africana Studies Institute at the University of Connecticut.

If I had to choose between the shootey racism and the "benign" racism, I'd probably go with benign.  I mean, it's still racism but one is arguably worse than the other.


We should have tolerant and loving racism.  That would be awesome.
 
2014-04-20 02:49:17 PM  

GoSlash27: blastoh:
"Could this be because the conservatives are the ones pretending as if there are absolutely zero race issues."

I should've pointed out earlier that this is a false choice fallacy. Instead of pretending that either a) nothing is a race issue or b) friggin *EVERYTHING* is a race issue, how'sabout we consider a third possibility:

 Some things are race issues and some things are not?

/how's that for a slice of fried gold?


yes, and who is making that choice?  Which ideology is the one pretending there are no race issues.


these are not the arguments you are looking for.
 
2014-04-20 02:50:46 PM  

blastoh: GoSlash27: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_polit i cs/march_2014/53_oppose_stricter_gun_control_laws

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-concerns-about-voter-fra ud -spur-broad-support-for-voter-id-laws/2012/08/11/40db3aba-e2fb-11e1-ae 7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.as px

 If these poll results are attributable to "racism", then Obama cannot possibly be President. Ergo, they are *not* attributable to "racism".

 I would've thought it wouldn't have been necessary to spell it out.


my point above, about republicans needing guns to protect themselves from thugs wasn't a reference to gun control, but a reference to the GOP being scared of black people.  See also: treyvon martin

but you know this already...  this is how we know you are trolling.


 Uhh... Your "point" (such as it is) is both fallacious and a weak attempt to dodge mine. Which is, after all, what you posted it in response to.
 "Being scared of black people" is a trait that you ascribed to them. But really, there are all sorts of non- racist reasons to support self- defense, aren't there?
 You've constructed a circular argument here.
 
2014-04-20 02:54:41 PM  

mrshowrules: Lsherm: "What would you be left with? Benign racism?" asked Jelani Cobb, director of the Africana Studies Institute at the University of Connecticut.

If I had to choose between the shootey racism and the "benign" racism, I'd probably go with benign.  I mean, it's still racism but one is arguably worse than the other.

We should have tolerant and loving racism.  That would be awesome.


open racism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4WoAnty748
 
2014-04-20 02:56:23 PM  

blastoh: yes, and who is making that choice?


 The rational individual who forms their own opinions instead of having them spoon- fed?

 Stick with me here, but if 3 out of 4 Americans support voter ID, isn't it (somehow, theoretically) possible that 3 out of 4 Americans *aren't* "racist"?

 Or no? I'm getting genuinely curious now...
 
2014-04-20 03:00:21 PM  
They've tried that before:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_BUZSTTW4
 
2014-04-20 03:12:36 PM  
*crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness
 
2014-04-20 03:18:32 PM  

GoSlash27: blastoh: yes, and who is making that choice?

 The rational individual who forms their own opinions instead of having them spoon- fed?

 Stick with me here, but if 3 out of 4 Americans support voter ID, isn't it (somehow, theoretically) possible that 3 out of 4 Americans *aren't* "racist"?

 Or no? I'm getting genuinely curious now...


Oh goody, a tyranny of the majority troll now? Lame.

Too bad you cannot explain the rationale of your positions, as you have none. I gave you a chance to explain why welfare is a trap for poor people, and you respond with woo that I'm certain you made up, a wiki link which demonstrates nothing, and a link from frakking Ireland about politicians merely asserting welfare is a trap. You elect not to respond anyone who points out that statistically, welfare is almost never a multigenerational cycle but a temporary thing for people who have a momentary hardship outside of their own control. You can't find actual data to support your assertions or form an argument supporting your ideology as there is none.

In short you may or may not believe what you're posting, but you're not here for serious debate. Also you don't really know what the hell a strawman actually is, and I'm sure everyone who has ever invested any time in educating you is embarrassed about how pathetically you are flopping about like a beached fish in this thread.
 
2014-04-20 03:19:30 PM  

Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.


I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-20 03:21:41 PM  

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 289x289]


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-20 03:25:43 PM  

GoSlash27: blastoh: yes, and who is making that choice?

 The rational individual who forms their own opinions instead of having them spoon- fed?

 Stick with me here, but if 3 out of 4 Americans support voter ID, isn't it (somehow, theoretically) possible that 3 out of 4 Americans *aren't* "racist"?

 Or no? I'm getting genuinely curious now...


Colin Powell is a racist now.
 
2014-04-20 03:28:03 PM  

GoSlash27: *crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness


"no one is paying attention to my trolling anymore... waaaaaa"
 
2014-04-20 03:37:33 PM  

blastoh: GoSlash27: *crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness

"no one is paying attention to my trolling anymore... waaaaaa"


That he never responds when questions are posed to him- or if he does it's two bit woo- doesn't help.

bobothemagnificent: Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.

I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.
[img.fark.net image 600x480]


I'd ask you to explain why they have the exact same policy platform, or how the platform of the Tea Party differs from the KKK.
 
2014-04-20 03:45:06 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: at he never responds when questions are posed to him- or if he does it's two bit woo- doesn't help.


classic trolling

1. never give serious honest answers
2. keep insisting every answer your questions.
3. repeat
 
2014-04-20 03:52:07 PM  
GoSlash27:

//partisanship is a mental illness

You said it, I didn't.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/05/tea_partier_backtracks_on_gop_doesn% e2 %80%99t_want_black_people_to_vote_comments/

Just his personal opinion, of course, which does not, of course, reflect the consensus in the Tea Party, much less the GOP.
 
2014-04-20 03:52:23 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.

I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.


Yeah because Democrats fall all over themselves touting their Communist Party cred exactly the way mainstream Republicans suck up to the Tea Party.

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2014-04-20 03:57:46 PM  

bobothemagnificent: I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party. Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.


I did attent a meeting in early 2010.  A guy started complaining about how much Obama had raised his taxes and how much harder life was for him.  I pointed out that Obama had not increased Taxes.

I was told point blank "we repect all opinions here."

This same guy later said we should rename White House to "the Black House."
 
2014-04-20 03:59:46 PM  
GoSlash27:
<img src="[www.examiner.com image 500x392]
/Did I break your concentration? :D


Take a look at this.  School A gets twice as much state and federal funding as School B.  Yet school B gets more than twice as much total money than School A.  Why? Because School B is rich (630k median home value) and gets tons of local tax money and School A is poor (115k median home value) and gets very little local money.

http://www.kentucky.com/2014/01/04/3018252/tale-of-two-kentucky-scho ol s-barbourville.html

School funding is so much more complicated than what the feds do.
 
2014-04-20 04:08:08 PM  

GoSlash27: First example that comes to mind is the welfare system that is designed to break up families and force people into dependency so they will vote a certain way.


Stopped reading there.

Do you really think that if the Welfare System wasn't in place, then these families would magically no longer be broken and start voting Republican? Usually when right-wingers say tripe like this, they actually don't give a shiat about the families in question.
 
2014-04-20 04:18:37 PM  

GoSlash27: *crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness


you clearly made all of the detractors go away with your strawman snowman arguments.

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2014-04-20 04:29:41 PM  

DrBenway: bobothemagnificent: Rann Xerox: FTA: The Klan could change its name, get a smooth-talking spokesperson, replace the robes with suits and take off those ridiculous hats, but underneath, people would recognize its message is the same.

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Yep.

Dude, I'm not that big of a fan of Pat, but not even he is that bad.  Seriously.  He's mellowed a lot in his old age.

Yeah, now he just writes swoony paeans to that hunky Vlad Putin.


I listened to an interview with Pat a few weeks ago.  Pat is, if anything, pro "Christian Values" first and foremost.  No, I don't believe Putin is pro-Christian values.  He's pro-Putin first and pro-Russia second.  He's anti-communist second and tied for second is pro-1st and 2nd amendment.  He will back up your right to say what you want regardless of your point of view.  Pat is also a leftover of the Fark Liberals/Progressives refer to as "the religious right" from the 80s and early 90s.  The religious right isn't a big a force in republican politics as it used to be.  Oh its trying to make a comeback, but thanks to people like Pat and Robertson and a host of others, there is a major turn-off for those who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative and constitutional conservative and they actively work to keep them on the fringes of the republican party.

The point is while Pat might not like how Putin is going about dealing with some social issues, he is pointing out that his stance (wide?) on homosexuality, from Pat's point of view, is "pro-Christian".  If he means pro-Christian as in the Crusades, then yes.  If he means pro-Christian as in actual Christianity, then I think Pat needs to lay off the sacramental wine a little bit.

I'll repeat myself again: The fundies need to STFU and STFD about homosexuality because most Americans 1) don't care and 2) don't care.  As a matter of fact, they are the only ones who do care.  I'm quite certain that if God disapproves of homosexuality, he's perfectly capable of handling it himself.  Hence the word GOD, as in the all powerful all knowing being responsible for creating the universe.  I don't think he needs your help, wants your help, or even solicited your opinion on the matter.  If you don't approve, keep you mouth shut, its none of your business.  If you approve, keep your mouth shut, its none of your business.  If you don't care, well, then you'll keep your mouth shut about it anyways.
 
2014-04-20 04:55:23 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: blastoh: GoSlash27: *crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness

"no one is paying attention to my trolling anymore... waaaaaa"

That he never responds when questions are posed to him- or if he does it's two bit woo- doesn't help.bobothemagnificent: Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.

I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.
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I'd ask you to explain why they have the exact same policy platform, or how the platform of the Tea Party differs from the KKK.


Hmm, let me think.
15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.
http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

From the official TEA party site.

Now, looking at those core beliefs, which is their platform, I fail to see anything about "the white man is superior" or "blacks and Jews are the cause of all our problems so lets lynch them", which is a pretty accurate summarization of the KKK platform.  Actually, I see nothing about racism in their platform.  I actually looked and saw nothing about discrimination, or subtle racism, or overt racism, or anything racist.

Furthermore, they have denounced racism.  They denounced it 4 years ago.
http://www.thenationalteapartyfederation.com/uploads/NTPF_CBC_Announ ce ment.pdf

Racism, despite what Fark Liberals think, is not a principal of the tea party movement.  Having other members of congress and the press repeatedly lie about this just goes to show how ignorant they are or they are attempting to stop a grass roots movement that has had enough of the DC shenanigans.
 
2014-04-20 05:01:44 PM  

GoSlash27: Racism is not a prerequisite for siding with the conservative viewpoint.



True.
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It doesn't hurt, though.
 
2014-04-20 05:05:00 PM  

CorporatePerson: bobothemagnificent: Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.

I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.

Yeah because Democrats fall all over themselves touting their Communist Party cred exactly the way mainstream Republicans suck up to the Tea Party.

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I see that, like a blind sniper, you missed the point entirely.
 
2014-04-20 05:18:33 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Crotchrocket Slim: blastoh: GoSlash27: *crickets*
 Yeah, that's what I thought.
/farkit
//partisanship is a mental illness

"no one is paying attention to my trolling anymore... waaaaaa"

That he never responds when questions are posed to him- or if he does it's two bit woo- doesn't help.bobothemagnificent: Great_Milenko: Huh?  I thought the Tea Party was the rebranding of the KKK.

I could say that the American Communist party is the rebranding of the democratic party.  Of course if you bothered to research or attend some tea party events, you probably wouldn't post idiotic comments like that.
[img.fark.net image 600x480]

I'd ask you to explain why they have the exact same policy platform, or how the platform of the Tea Party differs from the KKK.

Hmm, let me think.
15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.

7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

From the official TEA party site.

Now, looking at those core beliefs, which is their platform, I fail to see anything about "the white man is superior" or "blacks and Jews are the cause of all our problems so lets lynch them", which is a pretty accurate summarization of the KKK platform.  Actually, I see nothing about racism in their platform.  I actually looked and saw nothing about discrimination, or subtle racism, or overt racism, or anything racist.

Furthermore, they have denounced racism.  They denounced it 4 years ag ...


Bolded are issues with which the KKK agrees with the Tea Party. Note that the gun ownership worship (really, calling it "sacred?" that's creepy as fark, nothing is to be sacred in America) is mostly as they want to be armed when they get around to starting their little race war. The other issues are well known dog whistles within the white supremacist community. Note that to them "traditional family values" includes disallowing interracial marriage.

The "English only" requirement also is a core KKK "value".

If the Tea Party was simply about the budget you might have a point, as it is it's still a back door way for the KKK to sneak their ideas into the national conversation despite the weak "denouncing" of racism a few years ago. And really, if you must renounce racism maybe you're attracting less than desirable human beings.
 
2014-04-20 05:21:41 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Racism, despite what Fark Liberals think, is not a principal of the tea party movement


No, the Tea Party doesn't want blacks to vote because they vote the wrong way, not because they're black.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/05/tea_partier_backtracks_on_gop_doesn% E2 %80%99t_want_black_people_to_vote_comments/
 
2014-04-20 05:41:30 PM  

BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).


Why not get the Kardashians to sue the KKK for misuse of the whole "K" thing? A lot of popcorn would be eaten as we watch two groups of stupid and ignorant people battle for supremacy.
 
2014-04-20 05:44:17 PM  
Republicans weren't racist 150 years ago, so vote Republican.
 
2014-04-20 05:55:45 PM  
I thought the New Ku Klux Klan was against slackers.
 
2014-04-20 10:26:14 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: I thought the New Ku Klux Klan was against slackers.


No, they're for crackers. You must've misheard.
 
2014-04-21 12:47:54 AM  

Snarfangel: How about the new, friendlier Cu Clux Clan?
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That would be these guys.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-21 12:53:19 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: 420


You sir, are an idiot.
 
2014-04-21 01:08:18 AM  

bobothemagnificent: 15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.


OK, where to begin?

7 and 8 say the same thing.

So do 6 and 13, and they contradict 1, 14 and 15.

Liberals are all in favor of 2 and 12.

9 works for me also.  So let Cliven Bundy make some arrangement with the BLM and pay the grazing fees that all the other ranchers have to pay.

3 and 4 are contradictory.  Some of the greediest special interests in the country are makers of military hardware, some of which the Pentagon doesn't even want.

If you believe in 5, then what exactly was wrong with Operation Wide Receiver Fast and Furious?

As for racism, you know damn well that "illegal immigrants" means Greasy Spics.  Or would you deport these guys also?
 
2014-04-21 03:25:53 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-21 03:33:11 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: bobothemagnificent: 15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

OK, where to begin?

7 and 8 say the same thing.

So do 6 and 13, and they contradict 1, 14 and 15.

Liberals are all in favor of 2 and 12.

9 works for me also.  So let Cliven Bundy make some arrangement with the BLM and pay the grazing fees that all the other ranchers have to pay.

3 and 4 are contradictory.  Some of the greediest special interests in the country are makers of military hardware, some of which the Pentagon doesn't even want.

If you believe in 5, then what exactly was wrong with Operation Wide Receiver Fast and Furious?

As for racism, you know damn well that "illegal immigrants" means Greasy Spics.  Or would you deport these guys also?


Let me summarize:

Non-Negotiable Core Beliefs:

America is for wealthy white Christians. We get all the guns and money; everyone else gets to get the f*ck out, and as quickly as possible if you want to live.
 
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