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2014-04-20 08:41:41 AM  
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Highly unprofessional of this douchebag.  A good teacher keeps their politics out of the classroom whenever they can, its not the place for it.  Same with their personal opinions.  Obviously, this doesn't always apply to college, especially depending on the course the professor is teaching.  But K-12, keep your opinions and politics to yourself.  I also realize that some bias is going to creep into a teacher's lesson, but a good teacher realizes this and works to avoid it.
 
2014-04-20 08:58:15 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this news? Fire him and move on. No need to make a fuss over it.

Sweep it under the rug and make it all go away? Huh. Well, by all means, do share with us, why is this not news? And what would you suggest we limit news to?

Firing him is not sweeping it under the rug.


But keeping it off the news is.
 
2014-04-20 08:58:25 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: If he struck a kid or was sexually inappropriate I'm ok with it. For saying something mildly racist no. For that matter why even fire this late in the year? Don't renew his contract for next year.

So racists don't have to account for their hatred in public according to you, got it.

Dude, wtf is wrong with you? Teachers are de facto authority figures and extensions of the government to children, even in private schools. Having such an asshole on the payrole is a massive deal.


Firing him is holding him accountable. Dragging his name thru the mud is just being petty.
 
2014-04-20 09:04:34 AM  

DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this news? Fire him and move on. No need to make a fuss over it.

Sweep it under the rug and make it all go away? Huh. Well, by all means, do share with us, why is this not news? And what would you suggest we limit news to?

Firing him is not sweeping it under the rug.

But keeping it off the news is.


Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name
 
2014-04-20 09:08:05 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Dragging his name thru the mud is just being petty.


Saying what he did doesn't qualify as 'dragging his name thru the mud'.
 
2014-04-20 09:09:26 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: If he struck a kid or was sexually inappropriate I'm ok with it. For saying something mildly racist no. For that matter why even fire this late in the year? Don't renew his contract for next year.

So racists don't have to account for their hatred in public according to you, got it.

Dude, wtf is wrong with you? Teachers are de facto authority figures and extensions of the government to children, even in private schools. Having such an asshole on the payrole is a massive deal.

Firing him is holding him accountable. Dragging his name thru the mud is just being petty.


OK you're a public racist apologist, got it. How is this dragging his name in the mud? He made a terribly inappropriate, pretty bigoted comment while acting as an authority figure to children. That is one of the most newsworthy things there is. How is reporting on this petty? You keep not bothering to argue why, especially when you agree that reporting on pedophile teachers is A-OKAY. You don't think racist teachers have ruined at least as many lives as pedos? The distinctions you're making here are incredibly arbitrary. You really think this guy should be able to get another teaching job somewhere else? Do you think he was ever someone who has any business teaching children?

The district screwed up in hiring him and keeping him after the previous incidents, and they finally put this right. If nothing else they deserve some vindication for doing right, albeit after the fact.
 
2014-04-20 09:12:06 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name


How is his name being sullied by reporting on this? He already chose to sully his own name, this is the natural consequence of that.

Just stop being obtuse or dishonest and admit you don't think racists ever should be held publicly accountable for their contemptible views and treatment of other people. Way to ignore that this kid's probably been unfairly suffering for years being subject to this asshole's authority too.
 
2014-04-20 09:14:35 AM  

CorporatePerson: I hope he's one of those "Obama is forcing white people to become racist" types of racists. Those are my favorite.


Nope not a racist- but I still don't think we can afford another president like Obama. His foreign policy is like a epileptic being hit with a tazer, all over the place.

At least bush was kinda consistent. Not sure Romney would be better on foreign policy that guy flips more than a cook at IHOP.
 
2014-04-20 09:15:41 AM  

youmightberight: Nope not a racist- but I still don't think we can afford another president like Obama. His foreign policy is like a epileptic being hit with a tazer, all over the place.


You want to explain yourself?
 
2014-04-20 09:16:22 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Gyrfalcon: log_jammin: Mid_mo_mad_man: No need to stir up a fuss over a trivial non event.

so tell us what you think "race baiting" actually is.

Look, this was a non-event! He made a racist statement to a child about our uppity darky President and was racistly fired by the racist school board and it's just not newsworthy! Why is everyone so upset that a bigoted asshole should get his just desserts for being a bleached-skinned redneck who told some pickanninny that we've had enough negroes in the white house?

It just never happened! Can't a man be a bigot anymore without everyone ramming it down his throat?!

Damn it, I'm running out of slurs. Someone help me out here.

Your only allowed to be a bigot if your not white.


A-HEM. Why don't we focus on the difference between the possessive your and the contraction for you are you're before we embark on the struggle to free the oppressed white man from the shackles of decency, composure and good sense in his workplace.
 
2014-04-20 09:16:35 AM  

youmightberight: CorporatePerson: I hope he's one of those "Obama is forcing white people to become racist" types of racists. Those are my favorite.

Nope not a racist- but I still don't think we can afford another president like Obama. His foreign policy is like a epileptic being hit with a tazer, all over the place.

At least bush was kinda consistent. Not sure Romney would be better on foreign policy that guy flips more than a cook at IHOP.


Being ignorant doesn't excuse not being a bigot, though it is a different flavor of fail.
 
2014-04-20 09:17:07 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this news? Fire him and move on. No need to make a fuss over it.

Sweep it under the rug and make it all go away? Huh. Well, by all means, do share with us, why is this not news? And what would you suggest we limit news to?

Firing him is not sweeping it under the rug.

But keeping it off the news is.

Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name


He sullied his own name.
 
2014-04-20 09:18:04 AM  

Alphax: youmightberight: Nope not a racist- but I still don't think we can afford another president like Obama. His foreign policy is like a epileptic being hit with a tazer, all over the place.

You want to explain yourself?


A one-dump chump actually explaining his wooish assertions? Surely you know that's poor form here on Fark. If he were operating with rational he wouldn't have that position to begin with.
 
2014-04-20 09:21:02 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: If he struck a kid or was sexually inappropriate I'm ok with it. For saying something mildly racist no. For that matter why even fire this late in the year? Don't renew his contract for next year.

So racists don't have to account for their hatred in public according to you, got it.

Dude, wtf is wrong with you? Teachers are de facto authority figures and extensions of the government to children, even in private schools. Having such an asshole on the payrole is a massive deal.

Firing him is holding him accountable. Dragging his name thru the mud is just being petty.

OK you're a public racist apologist, got it. How is this dragging his name in the mud? He made a terribly inappropriate, pretty bigoted comment while acting as an authority figure to children. That is one of the most newsworthy things there is. How is reporting on this petty? You keep not bothering to argue why, especially when you agree that reporting on pedophile teachers is A-OKAY. You don't think racist teachers have ruined at least as many lives as pedos? The distinctions you're making here are incredibly arbitrary. You really think this guy should be able to get another teaching job somewhere else? Do you think he was ever someone who has any business teaching children?

The district screwed up in hiring him and keeping him after the previous incidents, and they finally put this right. If nothing else they deserve some vindication for doing right, albeit after the fact.


If this kid life is ruined then it wasn't much of one to begin with. Toughen up and move on kid. He expressed an unpopular opinion. They fired him and it's over. You seem to think a lynching by the press is ok. It's not. People screw up. There's no need to piie on him.
 
2014-04-20 09:24:29 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: If this kid life is ruined then it wasn't much of one to begin with. Toughen up and move on kid. He expressed an unpopular opinion. They fired him and it's over. You seem to think a lynching by the press is ok. It's not. People screw up. There's no need to piie on him.


Because a teacher's misconduct can't unfairly affect a kid's academic record, which affects his chances of getting into college which would be useful in starting a career. You fail. Just, stop posting. You're just spouting easily shot down idiocy. And be honest about your support of racism and the slow witted inbreeders who think it's an awesome thing to treat people like crap because of the color of their skin and then covering the whole thing up publicly.
 
2014-04-20 09:26:59 AM  
Mid_mo_mad_man: lynching by the press

hearingaids-orangecounty.com

STOP MAKING ALL THE RACISTS LOOK BAD, YOU MEAN OLD LIBTARDS!!!11
 
2014-04-20 09:28:52 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name

How is his name being sullied by reporting on this? He already chose to sully his own name, this is the natural consequence of that.

Just stop being obtuse or dishonest and admit you don't think racists ever should be held publicly accountable for their contemptible views and treatment of other people. Way to ignore that this kid's probably been unfairly suffering for years being subject to this asshole's authority too.


He was held accountable. He was fired. You seem to want him tarred and feathered. What good does that do?
 
2014-04-20 09:30:12 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Mid_mo_mad_man: lynching by the press

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STOP MAKING ALL THE RACISTS LOOK BAD, YOU MEAN OLD LIBTARDS!!!11


Don't you know, it's only news when a teacher questions American  Imperialism Creepy Prussian-like Nationalism Exceptionalism.
 
2014-04-20 09:31:41 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: He was held accountable. He was fired. You seem to want him tarred and feathered. What good does that do?


You like your strawmen, don't you. They teach you how to make them down at the Klan rally?
 
2014-04-20 09:33:17 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: If this kid life is ruined then it wasn't much of one to begin with. Toughen up and move on kid. He expressed an unpopular opinion. They fired him and it's over. You seem to think a lynching by the press is ok. It's not. People screw up. There's no need to piie on him.

Because a teacher's misconduct can't unfairly affect a kid's academic record, which affects his chances of getting into college which would be useful in starting a career. You fail. Just, stop posting. You're just spouting easily shot down idiocy. And be honest about your support of racism and the slow witted inbreeders who think it's an awesome thing to treat people like crap because of the color of their skin and then covering the whole thing up publicly.


If your going to lecture about racism you might want to drop the name calling. I never once said what he did was ok. I never defended him. I did call out the school board for airing out his dirty laundry.
 
2014-04-20 09:33:25 AM  
As to what good it does to report this publicly: it discourages others from adopting similar positions, or at least it makes it clear that abusing such a position of authority, especially over children, is not something society will tolerate.
 
2014-04-20 09:37:13 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: If this kid life is ruined then it wasn't much of one to begin with. Toughen up and move on kid. He expressed an unpopular opinion. They fired him and it's over. You seem to think a lynching by the press is ok. It's not. People screw up. There's no need to piie on him.

Because a teacher's misconduct can't unfairly affect a kid's academic record, which affects his chances of getting into college which would be useful in starting a career. You fail. Just, stop posting. You're just spouting easily shot down idiocy. And be honest about your support of racism and the slow witted inbreeders who think it's an awesome thing to treat people like crap because of the color of their skin and then covering the whole thing up publicly.

If your going to lecture about racism you might want to drop the name calling. I never once said what he did was ok. I never defended him. I did call out the school board for airing out his dirty laundry.


The school board aren't reporting on this, journalists are. And this is exactly the type of story that is news. This isn't a private matter when a public school teacher does shiat like this, it's public.

You seem ready to cover up misconduct of public employees, how else should I interpret your posts? You aren't doing a thing to explain why exposing the very inappropriate thing he voluntarily did is somehow wrong.

If nothing else, covering this up just enables him to get another teaching job somewhere else. It's not like the school district is allowed to tell other districts they canned this dick's ass for being a dickhead who couldn't keep his bigotry and/or politics out of a kids' classroom.
 
2014-04-20 09:43:33 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this news? Fire him and move on. No need to make a fuss over it.

Sweep it under the rug and make it all go away? Huh. Well, by all means, do share with us, why is this not news? And what would you suggest we limit news to?

Firing him is not sweeping it under the rug.

But keeping it off the news is.

Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name


How dare they sully his name by pointing out what he did to one of his students.
We get it. You don't think what he did was a big deal.
It is to a lot of people, though.
 
2014-04-20 09:44:39 AM  
Where was all this Liberal Poutrage when teachers ALL OVER THE WORLD made fun of President Bush? Why is it that you think reverse racism is okay but real racism isn't? Why the double standard libtards? How are two justified wars the same as crashing the economy, forcing communist healthcare and smearing America's name on the world stage? You can't explain that.
 
2014-04-20 09:47:29 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: As to what good it does to report this publicly: it discourages others from adopting similar positions, or at least it makes it clear that abusing such a position of authority, especially over children, is not something society will tolerate.


So bullying people into the "correct " point of view is good? Do you have proof that he failed black kids more then whites? Or unfairly punished them? If not then he didn't abuse his power.
 
2014-04-20 09:48:29 AM  

FnkyTwn: Where was all this Liberal Poutrage when teachers ALL OVER THE WORLD made fun of President Bush? Why is it that you think reverse racism is okay but real racism isn't? Why the double standard libtards? How are two justified wars the same as crashing the economy, forcing communist healthcare and smearing America's name on the world stage? You can't explain that.


Yeah why didn't people respond to total bullshiat that only happened in your head? It's like the tides or something, right?
 
2014-04-20 09:49:26 AM  
Good. Even the thing he confesses to saying was completely stupid.
 
2014-04-20 09:50:21 AM  

Curmudgeonly: Mid_mo_mad_man: DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: DrBenway: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this news? Fire him and move on. No need to make a fuss over it.

Sweep it under the rug and make it all go away? Huh. Well, by all means, do share with us, why is this not news? And what would you suggest we limit news to?

Firing him is not sweeping it under the rug.

But keeping it off the news is.

Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name

How dare they sully his name by pointing out what he did to one of his students.
We get it. You don't think what he did was a big deal.
It is to a lot of people, though.


The great thing about a guy like this is that, with just the slightest encouragement, he so willingly keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper.
 
2014-04-20 09:55:37 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: So bullying people into the "correct " point of view is good?


You seem to have a completely self-generated definition of the word "bully" than the rest of the English speaking world. You're also glossing over the fact that what this teacher did to this kid- discourage him from pursuing his dreams- is utterly wrong and inappropriate, and at odds with the purpose of being a teacher.

Do you have proof that he failed black kids more then whites?

Not directly no, but this does make it a good idea to look into his grading practices. Anyway this might be because this is a Fark thread and your fingers are flying faster than you care to proofread your own posts, but it looks like in addition to failing to teach you critical thinking your own teachers failed to teach you how to "then" and "than".

Or unfairly punished them? If not then he didn't abuse his power.

Telling the kid essentially "stay out of politics kid" is pretty inappropriate conduct even if he didn't trump something up to send the kid to detention etc. And you say you're not being a complete apologist here.

Maybe you should really rethink what your position is instead of doing this kneejerk bullshiat, you're making a fool of yourself here.
 
2014-04-20 10:03:31 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: So bullying people into the "correct " point of view is good?

You seem to have a completely self-generated definition of the word "bully" than the rest of the English speaking world. You're also glossing over the fact that what this teacher did to this kid- discourage him from pursuing his dreams- is utterly wrong and inappropriate, and at odds with the purpose of being a teacher.

Do you have proof that he failed black kids more then whites?

Not directly no, but this does make it a good idea to look into his grading practices. Anyway this might be because this is a Fark thread and your fingers are flying faster than you care to proofread your own posts, but it looks like in addition to failing to teach you critical thinking your own teachers failed to teach you how to "then" and "than".

Or unfairly punished them? If not then he didn't abuse his power.

Telling the kid essentially "stay out of politics kid" is pretty inappropriate conduct even if he didn't trump something up to send the kid to detention etc. And you say you're not being a complete apologist here.

Maybe you should really rethink what your position is instead of doing this kneejerk bullshiat, you're making a fool of yourself here.


Maybe bully isn't the best word. Stifling unpopular views might be a better way to put it.
 
2014-04-20 10:07:32 AM  
Mid_mo_mad_man:Maybe bully isn't the best word. Stifling unpopular views might be a better way to put it.

You think people want to stifle bigotry solely because it's becoming unpopular now? You don't think the rest of the world just hasn't realized that those views were always wrong and finally growing the spine to act against them? You really think basic farking human rights are things to be decided by poll and referendum?
 
2014-04-20 10:10:19 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: FnkyTwn: Where was all this Liberal Poutrage when teachers ALL OVER THE WORLD made fun of President Bush? Why is it that you think reverse racism is okay but real racism isn't? Why the double standard libtards? How are two justified wars the same as crashing the economy, forcing communist healthcare and smearing America's name on the world stage? You can't explain that.

Yeah why didn't people respond to total bullshiat that only happened in your head? It's like the tides or something, right?


I think you missed a very obvious troll in the midst of arguing with Mid_mo_mad_man
 
2014-04-20 10:13:44 AM  
I'm waiting for his response to my previous post to make that determination- if you notice I did get the Billo reference though.
 
2014-04-20 10:21:13 AM  
The school board, by allowing people know exactly why this idiot was fired, is doing so to educate their remaining teachers on what is expected and proper behavior in the classroom.  It actually protects racists/sexist/homophobic/idiotic teachers by telling them you are free to remain on the payroll, if you keep your trap shut about your idiocy.
 
2014-04-20 10:23:18 AM  

RyogaM: The school board, by allowing people know exactly why this idiot was fired, is doing so to educate their remaining teachers on what is expected and proper behavior in the classroom.  It actually protects racists/sexist/homophobic/idiotic teachers by telling them you are free to remain on the payroll, if you keep your trap shut about your idiocy.


I'm waiting for the first uneducated simpleton to try to spin this as a free speech issue.
 
2014-04-20 10:32:14 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: RyogaM: The school board, by allowing people know exactly why this idiot was fired, is doing so to educate their remaining teachers on what is expected and proper behavior in the classroom.  It actually protects racists/sexist/homophobic/idiotic teachers by telling them you are free to remain on the payroll, if you keep your trap shut about your idiocy.

I'm waiting for the first uneducated simpleton to try to spin this as a free speech issue.


Why the label? He has a point.
 
2014-04-20 10:34:18 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: [Pay no attention to the racist]


The funny part is that by posting profusely in this thread you are increasing the likelyhood of similar stories getting greenlit in the future.
 
2014-04-20 10:36:07 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Crotchrocket Slim: RyogaM: The school board, by allowing people know exactly why this idiot was fired, is doing so to educate their remaining teachers on what is expected and proper behavior in the classroom.  It actually protects racists/sexist/homophobic/idiotic teachers by telling them you are free to remain on the payroll, if you keep your trap shut about your idiocy.

I'm waiting for the first uneducated simpleton to try to spin this as a free speech issue.

Why the label? He has a point.


....


I'm agreeing with  RyogaM. This being Fark I'm sure someone will try to spin this as the guy being fired for his political beliefs and not for inappropriately injecting them into his job performance.

Also kinda bored with having the same exact convo I've had on Fark regarding the media publicly reporting when someone loses their job under these sort of circumstances or when the free market objects to someone being given a position of authority who has abhorrent "principles".
 
2014-04-20 11:19:01 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: RyogaM: The school board, by allowing people know exactly why this idiot was fired, is doing so to educate their remaining teachers on what is expected and proper behavior in the classroom.  It actually protects racists/sexist/homophobic/idiotic teachers by telling them you are free to remain on the payroll, if you keep your trap shut about your idiocy.

I'm waiting for the first uneducated simpleton to try to spin this as a free speech issue.


Its a free speech issue. I should be able to run my mouth a spout anything that comes to mind without any sort of consequences.
 
2014-04-20 11:33:14 AM  
Thanks for playing along, I guess. *snerk*
 
2014-04-20 11:42:28 AM  

you are a puppet: [media2.wcpo.com image 640x480]

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"Let me explain...I thought the cop was a prostitute."


fc02.deviantart.net
 
2014-04-20 11:43:17 AM  
Move over Joe the Plumber, there's a new right-wing victim on the block!
 
2014-04-20 11:54:37 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name

How is his name being sullied by reporting on this? He already chose to sully his own name, this is the natural consequence of that.

Just stop being obtuse or dishonest and admit you don't think racists ever should be held publicly accountable for their contemptible views and treatment of other people. Way to ignore that this kid's probably been unfairly suffering for years being subject to this asshole's authority too.

He was held accountable. He was fired. You seem to want him tarred and feathered. What good does that do?


It makes quite clear how the community feels about racist teachers, if nothing else, and that's good enough for me.
 
2014-04-20 12:22:28 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: lynching by the press


I'm not sure if you're truly evil, truly this colossally stupid, or trolling masterfully. I'm aware that the categories aren't mutually exclusive. But surely one motive or the other predominantly governs your remarks.

Publicly and non-violently holding an authority figure to account after reasonable process has determined he engaged in wrongdoing ~= secretly (at least out of the eyes of legitimate authorities) and violently murdering a black person after social gossip or other malice has determined he committed a crime.

Mmmkay?

BTW, if you're trolling, 8/10. Not bad.
 
2014-04-20 12:25:29 PM  

Baz744: Mid_mo_mad_man: lynching by the press

I'm not sure if you're truly evil, truly this colossally stupid, or trolling masterfully. I'm aware that the categories aren't mutually exclusive. But surely one motive or the other predominantly governs your remarks.

Publicly and non-violently holding an authority figure to account after reasonable process has determined he engaged in wrongdoing ~= secretly (at least out of the eyes of legitimate authorities) and violently murdering a black person after social gossip or other malice has determined he committed a crime.

Mmmkay?

BTW, if you're trolling, 8/10. Not bad.


Oh yeah, and comparing an authority figure's non-violent public accounting for racist remarks to one of his black charges to, in particular, a lynching is blindingly offensive. And stupid.
 
2014-04-20 12:27:07 PM  
Ohio tag upvoted.

Lessee: Boehner, Wurzelbacher, and this chowderhead.

/Keep 'em comin', we'll get that tag in no time!
 
2014-04-20 12:28:01 PM  
Too bad he wasn't fired out of a canon.
 
2014-04-20 12:32:52 PM  

Baz744: Mid_mo_mad_man: lynching by the press

I'm not sure if you're truly evil, truly this colossally stupid, or trolling masterfully. I'm aware that the categories aren't mutually exclusive. But surely one motive or the other predominantly governs your remarks.

Publicly and non-violently holding an authority figure to account after reasonable process has determined he engaged in wrongdoing ~= secretly (at least out of the eyes of legitimate authorities) and violently murdering a black person after social gossip or other malice has determined he committed a crime.

Mmmkay?

BTW, if you're trolling, 8/10. Not bad.


No, I'm not mocking a horrible crime of the past. I'm sure you heard others refer to a lynching by the press thou.
 
2014-04-20 12:35:00 PM  
Ok, freedom of speech is one thing, but gezus, the guy's a teacher.

Firing seems about right.  Would be nice if the class were permitted a bit of Bastinado before they let him go though.
 
2014-04-20 12:48:47 PM  
Well I was right about revisiting this place in the mornin'.
 
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