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2014-04-19 08:46:28 PM
The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed back in the 60's.

Our entire society is falling apart around our ears because we spend so much time making an enemy of our own people and punishing them for nothing that a pot farm has enough value to invite armed robbery and subsequently murder.

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.
 
2014-04-19 10:36:10 PM

doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed back in the 60's.

Our entire society is falling apart around our ears because we spend so much time making an enemy of our own people and punishing them for nothing that a pot farm has enough value to invite armed robbery and subsequently murder.

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.


More importantly, using punctuation in a headline is perfectly acceptable
 
2014-04-19 10:53:25 PM
"That was unusual. In my 30 years in this business, I have never seen that," San Joaquin County spokesperson Deputy Les Garcia said.

Unusual, but the Garcia said that destruction was necessary.

"He was determined. We had received information that he would not give himself up alive," he said.


"The Garcia"? Perhaps the result of some French/Spanish/English auto-translate failure?
 
2014-04-19 11:57:24 PM
home along Picardy Drive

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-20 12:18:22 AM
It's always awkward when the SWAT team finds you and your neighbors and onlookers in your home.  This is fascism at work, my friends.  Cheers.
 
2014-04-20 12:18:41 AM
run on sentence is run on and on
 
2014-04-20 12:24:28 AM
doglover:

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.

Drop this argument.  It isn't helping the cause.
Many things come from plants that are illegal and should stay illegal.
You aren't convincing anyone by saying "it's just a weed man".
 
2014-04-20 12:24:32 AM
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-04-20 12:24:58 AM

reported: "That was unusual. In my 30 years in this business, I have never seen that," San Joaquin County spokesperson Deputy Les Garcia said.

Unusual, but the Garcia said that destruction was necessary.

"He was determined. We had received information that he would not give himself up alive," he said.

"The Garcia"? Perhaps the result of some French/Spanish/English auto-translate failure?


Uh, or his name is Les.  Perhaps short for Lester or maybe Lesley?    Or maybe you were making a joke that was a complete failure...
 
2014-04-20 12:25:51 AM
You mean again?
 
2014-04-20 12:26:03 AM
he probably never edged his sidewalks. what a jerk
 
2014-04-20 12:26:47 AM
Farking HOAs...
 
2014-04-20 12:26:59 AM

doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed


This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.
 
2014-04-20 12:28:26 AM

reported: "That was unusual. In my 30 years in this business, I have never seen that," San Joaquin County spokesperson Deputy Les Garcia said.

Unusual, but the Garcia said that destruction was necessary.

"He was determined. We had received information that he would not give himself up alive," he said.

"The Garcia"? Perhaps the result of some French/Spanish/English auto-translate failure?


He has a kid named the Nino.
 
2014-04-20 12:29:11 AM

oukewldave: reported: "That was unusual. In my 30 years in this business, I have never seen that," San Joaquin County spokesperson Deputy Les Garcia said.

Unusual, but the Garcia said that destruction was necessary.

"He was determined. We had received information that he would not give himself up alive," he said.

"The Garcia"? Perhaps the result of some French/Spanish/English auto-translate failure?

Uh, or his name is Les.  Perhaps short for Lester or maybe Lesley?    Or maybe you were making a joke that was a complete failure...


You clearly missed the joke. Read the second bolded part. It's directly from the article, the article literally calls the guy THE Garcia.
 
2014-04-20 12:30:25 AM

TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.


exactly. it's one thing to argue that the people being prosecuted for possession are only criminal because of silly laws, but guys like this are generally just criminals
 
2014-04-20 12:38:43 AM
You think this was an ugly standoff? Just wait until the city sicks code enforcement on the property owner for failure to properly maintain the house.
 
2014-04-20 12:52:50 AM
A San Joaquin County SWAT team used a K-9 officer, flash bang grenades, a remote-controlled vehicle and even an armored vehicle to tear off the front of the home to get to DiBartolomeo.

What good are flash-bangs. RC "vehicle" and armored vehicles if you never get to use them?

doglover:

I'm drunk and stoned, but I read that article twice and didn't see anything about marijuana.  To be fair to the cops, he was wanted for MURDER.

To any cops:  If you ever want to arrest me, you can skip the SWAT team .  I probably won't like being arrested, but I'm not going to fight you.  I'll get lawyers for that.
 
2014-04-20 12:54:02 AM
It was casual Friday for the SWAT team.
 
2014-04-20 12:56:57 AM
The neighbors were probably cheering because they were attacking the correct house / not their house.
 
2014-04-20 12:57:26 AM
I REFUSE TO EVALUATE MY LIFE CHOICES!
 
Skr
2014-04-20 12:58:04 AM
I'm curious if the onlookers fear any retaliation for their cheers. If the murderer got out for some reason he could very well hold a grudge.
 
2014-04-20 12:59:21 AM

Skr: I'm curious if the onlookers fear any retaliation for their cheers. If the murderer got out for some reason he could very well hold a grudge.


Sshhhh. You'll spoil the sequel for everybody.
 
2014-04-20 01:01:12 AM

gfid: I'm drunk and stoned, but I read that article twice and didn't see anything about marijuana.  To be fair to the cops, he was wanted for MURDER


FTFA: "DiBartolomeo was one of four people wanted in connection with a marijuana grow robbery that turned deadly"
 
2014-04-20 01:05:21 AM
I cd understand Murder Monday as a charge, but murder Friday?
 
2014-04-20 01:13:08 AM

TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.


The unfortunate truth. Illegal weed didn't make this dipshiat a murderer.
 
2014-04-20 01:14:08 AM

Robin Hoodie: TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.

exactly. it's one thing to argue that the people being prosecuted for possession are only criminal because of silly laws, but guys like this are generally just criminals


Legalizing weed won't stop people from robbing and murdering.  It will make the growers less vulnerable targets.  So maybe this crew would've had to murder a coke dealer instead.  I'd say that's progress.
 
2014-04-20 01:37:04 AM

the_sidewinder: gfid: I'm drunk and stoned, but I read that article twice and didn't see anything about marijuana.  To be fair to the cops, he was wanted for MURDER

FTFA: "DiBartolomeo was one of four people wanted in connection with a marijuana grow robbery that turned deadly"


Dammit, that was the last sentence.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't read that far into the article.
 
2014-04-20 01:40:48 AM
Stockton?  Does this involve a Diaz?

*reads the rest of the article*

Dang.
 
2014-04-20 01:46:10 AM

gfid: Dammit, that was the last sentence.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't read that far into the article.


Hell, most of the time I don't even read the article until after I read a few comments here
 
2014-04-20 01:53:09 AM
the Garcia said that destruction was necessary.

That's the most badass statement that will ever be said about that guy. Enjoy your moment in the sun, The Garcia.
 
2014-04-20 01:55:37 AM
Used to be they just bashed the door in if you wouldn't answer. Now they're up to tearing the whole front wall off. Next they'll be using drone strikes to level the place. Farkin' police state facist pinko commies!
 
2014-04-20 02:03:23 AM

SpiritualRemains: Stockton?  Does this involve a Diaz?

*reads the rest of the article*

Dang.


They're too busy tax evading.
 
2014-04-20 02:06:49 AM
Or, as we say here in Stockton, Friday happened.

fark, we had a woman whip (literally) a woman in the street and the most interesting part of that story was that she was wearing purple and riding a purple bike.

This place is such a shiathole.
 
2014-04-20 03:07:36 AM

addy2: TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.

The unfortunate truth. Illegal weed didn't make this dipshiat a murderer.


No no, I'm sure that if only pot was legal, this guy would  never have been a brutal killer whose neighbors are cheering and applauding that the cops had to drag him away kicking and screaming because they're so glad he's out of their neighborhood. If marijuana was legal, this guy would have grown up a perfect citizen with a job and a life.

Just like in the flip side of the argument, if only weed didn't exist, all those pothead slackers would be model citizens with jobs and lives, instead of living in their moms' basements and eating Cheetohs all day long. Guess what: lazy slackers will always be lazy slackers, and murdering scumbags will always be murdering scumbags, regardless of the excuse they pin their personality disorders on.
 
2014-04-20 03:29:27 AM

Begoggle: doglover:

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.

Drop this argument.  It isn't helping the cause.
Many things come from plants that are illegal and should stay illegal.
You aren't convincing anyone by saying "it's just a weed man".


I agree. He could at least use a better dangerous natural substance than a dandelion, like nightshade.

I also grow datura wrightii in my backyard. I have yet to convince anyone to smoke it though. Why doesn't anyone want anterograde amnesia?
 
2014-04-20 03:33:57 AM

Gyrfalcon: addy2: TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.

The unfortunate truth. Illegal weed didn't make this dipshiat a murderer.

No no, I'm sure that if only pot was legal, this guy would  never have been a brutal killer whose neighbors are cheering and applauding that the cops had to drag him away kicking and screaming because they're so glad he's out of their neighborhood. If marijuana was legal, this guy would have grown up a perfect citizen with a job and a life.

Just like in the flip side of the argument, if only weed didn't exist, all those pothead slackers would be model citizens with jobs and lives, instead of living in their moms' basements and eating Cheetohs all day long. Guess what: lazy slackers will always be lazy slackers, and murdering scumbags will always be murdering scumbags, regardless of the excuse they pin their personality disorders on.


Yes with a but:

I personally would be more productive if there were no alcohol. I look forward to a future of even lower weekend productivity when pot is legal. Well perhaps it can't get worse.
 
2014-04-20 03:37:23 AM

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: addy2: TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.

The unfortunate truth. Illegal weed didn't make this dipshiat a murderer.

No no, I'm sure that if only pot was legal, this guy would  never have been a brutal killer whose neighbors are cheering and applauding that the cops had to drag him away kicking and screaming because they're so glad he's out of their neighborhood. If marijuana was legal, this guy would have grown up a perfect citizen with a job and a life.

Just like in the flip side of the argument, if only weed didn't exist, all those pothead slackers would be model citizens with jobs and lives, instead of living in their moms' basements and eating Cheetohs all day long. Guess what: lazy slackers will always be lazy slackers, and murdering scumbags will always be murdering scumbags, regardless of the excuse they pin their personality disorders on.

Yes with a but:

I personally would be more productive if there were no alcohol. I look forward to a future of even lower weekend productivity when pot is legal. Well perhaps it can't get worse.


Sure it could, you could start drinking datura tea and forget everything you didn't do while drunk and stoned.
 
2014-04-20 03:37:42 AM
I feel sorry for him....happened to me once.
 
2014-04-20 03:45:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: If marijuana was legal, this guy would have grown up a perfect citizen with a job and a life.


Be realistic. If marijuana was legal, the 1% would have cornered the market, picked up a few thousand wage slaves and this guy would be robbing some other highly profitable illegal operation, like, I dunno, a human trafficking ring.
 
2014-04-20 03:52:33 AM
"YOU CHEER?? YOU SMILE?!!
JACK, WHO GOT YOU THAT JOB WHEN YOU CAME BEGGING THAT YOUR FAMILY IS GOING HUNGRY?!
AND YOU RICH, WHEN THOSE LOANSHARKS CAME AFTER YOU AFTER THE NICKS LOST, WHO LOANED YOU THOSE 500 BUCKS THAT YOU STILL HAVENT PAID BACK HALF?!!
EVEN YOU LITTLE JOHNNY, WHO GAVE YOU THOSE 50 BUCKS WHEN YOU WANTED TO IMPRESS YOUR NEW GIRLFRIEND?!
YOU CHEER NOW YOU UNGRATEFUL DOGS?!
YOU THINK JAIL WILL HOLD ME, YOU THINK THEY HAVE ANY EVIDENCE ON ME?!
I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO DO ANYTHING, I'LL JUST TAKE MY MONEY ELSEWHERE AND SEE HOW LONG THIS CRAP TOWN LASTS!!"

/let me know if you are looking for a screenwriter
//kidding. You can't afford me
///you ungrateful dogs
 
2014-04-20 03:57:27 AM

doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed back in the 60's.

Our entire society is falling apart around our ears because we spend so much time making an enemy of our own people and punishing them for nothing that a pot farm has enough value to invite armed robbery and subsequently murder.

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.



Marijuana? The wholesale market price on that has dropped so bad that the Mexican drug cartels have already moved on to heroin.

So now all we have to do is legalize heroin, and we'll eliminate crime completely!
 
2014-04-20 04:02:57 AM
Y'all give criminals too much credit.

All they want is an easy buck. Where's easiest bucks to be had? The black market. Illegal businesses can't into banking.

If, and stop me if I'm going too fast here, you legalize vice; prostitution, drugs, gambling, alcohol; you invite regulation, taxation, and most importantly FINANCIAL SERVICES. When was the last time someone attacked a bee keeper? A farmer? A cheesemonger?

It doesn't happen. What you'll get is everyone keeping their cash in the bank. Credit and debit purchases. Plus good drugs would be legal at the lowest possible price point and with supervision. No one would attack the growers.

Also, don't forget, violent criminals are usually not setting out to be violent criminals. It's just that they're really poor at impulse control. If you just make crime a little bit less convenient, they'll choose law and order out of slothful indulgence. Lighting up black markets is the best way to do that. Look what happened to the alcohol business.
 
2014-04-20 04:26:22 AM

ScreamingHangover: Marijuana? The wholesale market price on that has dropped so bad that the Mexican drug cartels have already moved on to heroin.

So now all we have to do is legalize heroin, and we'll eliminate crime completely!


That was more of a question of demand.  The pharmaceutical companies drove it.

Want some nice pharmaceutical grade opiates?  Yeah, here's an Oxy.

Oh, you really liked that, but they're expensive and hard to get?  Why don't you try THIS.
 
2014-04-20 05:11:07 AM

doglover: Y'all give criminals too much credit.

All they want is an easy buck. Where's easiest bucks to be had? The black market. Illegal businesses can't into banking.

If, and stop me if I'm going too fast here, you legalize vice; prostitution, drugs, gambling, alcohol; you invite regulation, taxation, and most importantly FINANCIAL SERVICES. When was the last time someone attacked a bee keeper? A farmer? A cheesemonger?

It doesn't happen. What you'll get is everyone keeping their cash in the bank. Credit and debit purchases. Plus good drugs would be legal at the lowest possible price point and with supervision. No one would attack the growers.

Also, don't forget, violent criminals are usually not setting out to be violent criminals. It's just that they're really poor at impulse control. If you just make crime a little bit less convenient, they'll choose law and order out of slothful indulgence. Lighting up black markets is the best way to do that. Look what happened to the alcohol business.


If everything is legal, then there would be no crime?

I don't know if you've run into many actual criminals; they don't choose crime because it's inconvenient or because they lack impulse control. Many are quite well controlled, and often work much harder at not working an honest job than any ordinary person ever worked at making a legal buck. If you ever watched a shoplifting team or a forgery ring, you would abandon the idea that they "just lack impulse control."

If everything was legal, people would still commit crimes of opportunity; they would still want the quick buck over the slow buck, the money today over the money tomorrow. There would still be people who'd want to take the gains someone else made either by force or by fraud. It doesn't matter if drugs/booze/sex/gambling/investment banking is legal or illegal. If money rained down from the heavens every morning, there would still be some who are just too lazy or too conniving to go pick the crap up themselves and would find a way to get someone else to do it for them.

Drugs are currently the easiest and most cost-effective way to do that; it used to be the spice trade or the slave trade; in some areas it's gold or information. But your idea that people will obey the law if its in their own self-interest to do it sadly overlooks the fact that some people are just vicious, violent or lazy, its in their nature, and always will be.
 
2014-04-20 05:28:54 AM

reported: "That was unusual. In my 30 years in this business, I have never seen that," San Joaquin County spokesperson Deputy Les Garcia said.

Unusual, but the Garcia said that destruction was necessary.

"He was determined. We had received information that he would not give himself up alive," he said.

"The Garcia"? Perhaps the result of some French/Spanish/English auto-translate failure?


Always use the indefinite article: The Garcia, never your Garcia.
 
2014-04-20 06:16:27 AM

Gyrfalcon: If everything is legal, then there would be no crime?

I don't know if you've run into many actual criminals; they don't choose crime because it's inconvenient or because they lack impulse control. Many are quite well controlled, and often work much harder at not working an honest job than any ordinary person ever worked at making a legal buck. If you ever watched a shoplifting team or a forgery ring, you would abandon the idea that they "just lack impulse control."

If everything was legal, people would still commit crimes of opportunity; they would still want the quick buck over the slow buck, the money today over the money tomorrow. There would still be people who'd want to take the gains someone else made either by force or by fraud. It doesn't matter if drugs/booze/sex/gambling/investment banking is legal or illegal. If money rained down from the heavens every morning, there would still be some who are just too lazy or too conniving to go pick the crap up themselves a ...


This. Too bad some people would rather blame anyone else with the same skin color or social class as the criminals for the crimes, because blaming the criminals themselves is too dangerous.

/violent ones will kill you, swindlers will hustle up a mob to defend them
//so lets blame the lazy for being there and not fighting back
///even though they'd be branded criminals themselves if they did
 
2014-04-20 07:21:28 AM
Do not taunt The Garcia.
 
2014-04-20 07:35:32 AM
Why wasn't there a bunch of militia men coming to his aid after this example of big government harassing a citizen? Now that would have been a stand off.
 
2014-04-20 08:12:29 AM

reported: "That was unusual. In my 30 years in this business, I have never seen that," San Joaquin County spokesperson Deputy Les Garcia said.

Unusual, but the Garcia said that destruction was necessary.

"He was determined. We had received information that he would not give himself up alive," he said.

"The Garcia"? Perhaps the result of some French/Spanish/English auto-translate failure?


The Garcia is english for Der Garcia.
 
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