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(Huffington Post)   Teenager throws public temper-tantrum after not getting into UMich, blames racism on the part of the university and not her below-average GPA and barely mediocre ACT scores for their decision   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 441
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2014-04-19 01:49:18 PM  
As a black person, I usually hate when the term "playing the race card" gets thrown around. Because most of the time, it's a way to trivialize any claim of racial bias or discrimination as simple whining or unearned martyrdom.

But this chick...? She's playing the race card. Her entire argument seems to be: I didn't get what I want and I'm pissed.
 
2014-04-19 02:01:53 PM  

I Browse: As a black person, I usually hate when the term "playing the race card" gets thrown around. Because most of the time, it's a way to trivialize any claim of racial bias or discrimination as simple whining or unearned martyrdom.

But this chick...? She's playing the race card. Her entire argument seems to be: I didn't get what I want and I'm pissed.


And it's not like UM's minority enrollment stats aren't a problem, they are.  But the solution isn't to lower standards to accept more minority students.  That solves nothing.  The answer is to make sure that minority students are at the same level as their white counter-parts by the time they apply to college, so they stand an equal chance at getting accepted (or denied).  But it's easier to writhe around in an orgy of self-pity and sloganeering than to address those problems.  We also need to manage expectations.  Who in their right mind would think that a 3.6 and a 23 on an ACT is enough to get into UM?  Yeah, you did some extracurriculars.  So did every other student applying to that school.
 
2014-04-19 02:10:31 PM  
Fark It:

And it's not like UM's minority enrollment stats aren't a problem, they are.  But the solution isn't to lower standards to accept more minority students.  That solves nothing.  The answer is to make sure that minority students are at the same level as their white counter-parts by the time they apply to college, so they stand an equal chance at getting accepted (or denied).  But it's easier to writhe around in an orgy of self-pity and sloganeering than to address those problems.  We also need to manage expectations.  Who in their right mind would think that a 3.6 and a 23 on an ACT is enough to get into UM?  Yeah, you did some extracurriculars.  So did every other student applying to that school.


I would hate to see what kind of press conference she held when she didn't get a pony for her 5th birthday.
 
2014-04-19 02:16:26 PM  
A 23? Seriously?

I got a 32, and I went to community college to save money before I transferred to UofA.
 
2014-04-19 02:43:39 PM  
It's surprising more kids haven't learned the trick... If your GPA and test scores put you on the lower edge of those who might get accepted to the school of your choice, check the school's enrollment and donation statistics to see which programs are over-endowed and under-enrolled, and declare that as your intended major. You're more likely to get accepted, then can change your major after a semester or two of getting gen ed requirements out of the way anyway. Fine arts are usually good for this.
 
2014-04-19 02:48:48 PM  
This would seem to belong in the "you're not helping" file. There are many people who get genuinely screwed over in this world, people whose circumstances deserve a second look; you do not appear to be one of them.
 
2014-04-19 02:56:26 PM  
It's called having a fail safe. Cry harder.
 
2014-04-19 03:07:09 PM  
I hope to Cthulhu that U.Mich. doesn't cave to this bullshiat.  Seriously - 10 years ago, she might have been able to make this work, if for no other reason that they don't want the bad press.  Now, it's no longer as effective, playing the race card.

Besides which, she has already overplayed her hand.  You  threaten to get them tons of bad press and your lawyer gets them to cave.  Once it's out there, what do you have to threaten them with?  Every minority student who didn't get in?  People don't get into their first choice of University all the time.  All you'll do is go from making yourself look like a whiny child to making yourself look like a crazy person.

Your grades are average.  You didn't get into one of the best schools in the world.  Boo-farking-hoo.
 
2014-04-19 03:15:04 PM  
I do kinda feel sorry for this girl.  No one took the time to teach her that if you're going to take a stand on something you need to have the goods to back it up.

A 23 on the ACT?  Seriously?  That's pretty weak sauce.
 
2014-04-19 03:28:50 PM  
"I have left the plantation to get my freedom but I am coming back for you too," she said.

Obviously, her egregious overacting is what cost her a spot in the UofM fine arts program, not the color of her skin.
 
2014-04-19 03:57:19 PM  
Sucks to be her. Take the ACT over and get a better score; or go somewhere else.
 
2014-04-19 04:13:03 PM  
You know, I don't think that state schools should have incredibly hard admissions standards, but if they do, and you don't get in because you don't meet them, it's not racism.
 
2014-04-19 04:19:12 PM  
You can tell how dumb she is when she calls michigan the best school in the country.

Also, a sixth grader should score better than 23.
 
2014-04-19 04:23:58 PM  
She's from Detroit, she deserves a federal bailout.
 
2014-04-19 04:25:43 PM  

CruJones: You can tell how dumb she is when she calls michigan the best school in the country.

Also, a sixth grader should score better than 23.


23 is like high 60s percentile-wise, but don't let reality burst your hate bubble
 
2014-04-19 04:26:18 PM  

I Browse: Fark It:

And it's not like UM's minority enrollment stats aren't a problem, they are.  But the solution isn't to lower standards to accept more minority students.  That solves nothing.  The answer is to make sure that minority students are at the same level as their white counter-parts by the time they apply to college, so they stand an equal chance at getting accepted (or denied).  But it's easier to writhe around in an orgy of self-pity and sloganeering than to address those problems.  We also need to manage expectations.  Who in their right mind would think that a 3.6 and a 23 on an ACT is enough to get into UM?  Yeah, you did some extracurriculars.  So did every other student applying to that school.


I would hate to see what kind of press conference she held when she didn't get a pony for her 5th birthday.


mommybrown.com
 
2014-04-19 04:27:26 PM  
23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad
 
2014-04-19 04:28:46 PM  
Anyone who says "I believe in *blank* equality" always means "I believe that due to *blank*, I should always get my way." That applies if you are white, black, a soulless ginger, an oriental, a hot short haired big breasted Puerto Rican, a Communist, Sinestro, a cripple or Conan the Barbarian.
 
2014-04-19 04:29:40 PM  

Klippoklondike: 23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad


Perhaps, but how do have a real GPA of 3.6 and only manage a 23?
 
2014-04-19 04:29:42 PM  
"Brooke Kimbrough, an 17-year-old high school senior, always dreamed of attending the University of Michigan. "

How about you dream smaller, Shaneekwa? I hear University of Phoenix has a high acceptance policy.
 
2014-04-19 04:30:10 PM  
well maybe they want more out of state kids because they pay higher tuition. the UC system is taking more out of staters now.
 
2014-04-19 04:30:17 PM  
The best university in the nation? It's not even the best university in Michigan.
 
2014-04-19 04:30:47 PM  

Fark It: I Browse: As a black person, I usually hate when the term "playing the race card" gets thrown around. Because most of the time, it's a way to trivialize any claim of racial bias or discrimination as simple whining or unearned martyrdom.

But this chick...? She's playing the race card. Her entire argument seems to be: I didn't get what I want and I'm pissed.

And it's not like UM's minority enrollment stats aren't a problem, they are.  But the solution isn't to lower standards to accept more minority students.  That solves nothing.  The answer is to make sure that minority students are at the same level as their white counter-parts by the time they apply to college, so they stand an equal chance at getting accepted (or denied).  But it's easier to writhe around in an orgy of self-pity and sloganeering than to address those problems.  We also need to manage expectations.  Who in their right mind would think that a 3.6 and a 23 on an ACT is enough to get into UM?  Yeah, you did some extracurriculars.  So did every other student applying to that school.


And when they do lower standards to increase minority enrollment, the result is a massive minority dropout rate in their first year.  Those tests actually do indicate who is prepared to attend a university.  The smart move on her part would be to attend a community college for two years.  Not only would it prepare her for university life, it would save her a huge bundle in tuition.
 
2014-04-19 04:30:50 PM  
A 23? A freaking 23? Most schools that my kid is looking at, public and private have a median of 28.
 
2014-04-19 04:31:50 PM  

mutterfark: Klippoklondike: 23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad

Perhaps, but how do have a real GPA of 3.6 and only manage a 23?


Some people aren't good test takers
 
2014-04-19 04:32:34 PM  

Robin Hoodie: 23 is like high 60s percentile-wise, but don't let reality burst your hate bubble


Sooooo slightly above-average.
 
2014-04-19 04:32:48 PM  

aimtastic: It's surprising more kids haven't learned the trick... If your GPA and test scores put you on the lower edge of those who might get accepted to the school of your choice, check the school's enrollment and donation statistics to see which programs are over-endowed and under-enrolled, and declare that as your intended major. You're more likely to get accepted, then can change your major after a semester or two of getting gen ed requirements out of the way anyway. Fine arts are usually good for this.


Learn the admissions trick for underperforming students that college registrars don't want you to know about!
 
2014-04-19 04:33:05 PM  

mutterfark: Klippoklondike: 23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad

Perhaps, but how do have a real GPA of 3.6 and only manage a 23?


I went to HS with a girl that had a high 3.7-9 GPA and got an 18 on the ACT. Some people just take easy classes or suck on tests.
 
2014-04-19 04:33:28 PM  
She should have learned to kick a football or sink a long range 3 pointer. They would have paid for her to go there.

/and lose to THE Ohio State
 
2014-04-19 04:33:39 PM  
She's not helping her cause. Equality is just that....equality. You're not supposed to get special treatment because of your race, religion, gender, etc. Everybody should be considered and accepted based solely on their academic achievements. That's the ultimate goal.
 
2014-04-19 04:33:48 PM  

doyner: aimtastic: It's surprising more kids haven't learned the trick... If your GPA and test scores put you on the lower edge of those who might get accepted to the school of your choice, check the school's enrollment and donation statistics to see which programs are over-endowed and under-enrolled, and declare that as your intended major. You're more likely to get accepted, then can change your major after a semester or two of getting gen ed requirements out of the way anyway. Fine arts are usually good for this.

Learn the admissions trick for underperforming students that college registrars don't want you to know about!


Forgot to say "strange" or "odd" trick
 
2014-04-19 04:34:07 PM  
I don't know why more people don't go this route:

1. Go to a technical college for 2-3 years (Yes it's a 2 year school but I took an extra year to take additional classes to get a few extra certificates that were related to my field of study). Tech schools teach you how to actually DO stuff and get right into a career. (My field of study was Commercial Art with certificates in web design, desktop publishing and multimedia which added to my overall knowledge base)
2. Get a job in your related field (I got a decent job right out of college that paid $20/hr)
3. Enroll for your Bachelor degree and take evening classes at a reputable school that specializes in adult/evening classes (I do not recommend University of Phoenix or other for-profit university, that is important - check around and look for a non-profit or not-for-profit university such as Ottawa University which has a few locations around the US)
4. After a few years of evening classes got my Bachelor's degree in Information Technology (Good overall area that encompasses a lot of available jobs).
5. Got a great job after I got my degree
6. Land yourself in a company that pays for educational expenses (There are quite a few out there, both me and my husband's companies pay 100% of educational expenses).
7. Go back to school either online or evening classes for your MBA.  I'm working on my Marketing MBA and haven't paid a CENT towards it since my employer is. I only had to be on my job for a few months before the benefit kicked in.
8. PROFIT!  (Once you get your MBA go get your BIG 100k+ money job) with little to no debt from college to pay off!
 
2014-04-19 04:34:25 PM  

mutterfark: Klippoklondike: 23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad

Perhaps, but how do have a real GPA of 3.6 and only manage a 23?


Considering that she's the President of her school's Honor Society Chapter, I'd say she takes a lot of the honors classes, which IIRC add extra to your GPA; it's how Honors students can get a GPA greater than 4.0
 
2014-04-19 04:34:46 PM  

mutterfark: Klippoklondike: 23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad

Perhaps, but how do have a real GPA of 3.6 and only manage a 23?


No honors or AP classes.

Relay Classes are easy As
 
2014-04-19 04:35:19 PM  

Klippoklondike: 23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad


According to what I looked up, it sounds like it's very, very average.  Which, if you're trying to be in the top 7,000 or so people applying, is no way to get there.  Seriously, it's Michigan.  There's probably something like 50,000 kids trying to get in there at any time.

\that last number is probably low, but it's the one with the most BS involved
 
2014-04-19 04:36:02 PM  
I've told this CSB before and here it is again.  I called a store to confirm they had a hard to find specific item in stock...made the dude swear up and down he had the exact specific thing I wanted, model#, etc.  Drove across town to find they only had something similar...arrrgghhhh!!  Got back to work pissed off and cursing up and down.  I told a black guy I worked with about it and he asked why I thought that happened.  I told him because society is in the toilet and nobody gives a crap about doing things right.  He told me he'd always attributed those kinds of things to racism.  I told him I found that disturbing...if people can't tell the difference between racism and standard crap that everyone gets, then there's no hope for cooling racial tension.
 
2014-04-19 04:36:08 PM  
I was actually expecting it to be a white girl.
 
2014-04-19 04:36:21 PM  
She is butt ugly, non-white, and couldn't get a break.

Doesn't need college, she just got a free education.
 
2014-04-19 04:37:10 PM  
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2014-04-19 04:39:19 PM  

Abox: I called a store to confirm they had a hard to find specific item in stock...made the dude swear up and down he had the exact specific thing I wanted, model#, etc. Drove across town to find they only had something similar...arrrgghhhh!! Got back to work pissed off and cursing up and down. I told a black guy I worked with about it and he asked why I thought that happened. I told him because society is in the toilet and nobody gives a crap about doing things right. He told me he'd always attributed those kinds of things to racism.


I'm confused about what the alleged racism could even be in this story.
 
2014-04-19 04:39:33 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: A 23? Seriously?

I got a 32, and I went to community college to save money before I transferred to UofA.


They let anyone into U of Arizona.
 
2014-04-19 04:39:34 PM  

FriarReb98: Klippoklondike: 23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad

According to what I looked up, it sounds like it's very, very average.  Which, if you're trying to be in the top 7,000 or so people applying, is no way to get there.  Seriously, it's Michigan.  There's probably something like 50,000 kids trying to get in there at any time.

\that last number is probably low, but it's the one with the most BS involved


You're right, a score like that is probably not going to get you into a big university of U of M.  I also don't think she is in the right.  Her score is ok, but not as good as most people who are applying

I just wanted to defend the score of 23 as decent.  It won't set you apart from others, but it's hardly embarrassing.
 
2014-04-19 04:40:04 PM  
If she had a 26 and higher I could see her complaining.
Save your money go to a community college and transfer to umich later
/Then again I was a dumbass in high school.
 
2014-04-19 04:40:10 PM  

shtychkn: doyner: aimtastic: It's surprising more kids haven't learned the trick... If your GPA and test scores put you on the lower edge of those who might get accepted to the school of your choice, check the school's enrollment and donation statistics to see which programs are over-endowed and under-enrolled, and declare that as your intended major. You're more likely to get accepted, then can change your major after a semester or two of getting gen ed requirements out of the way anyway. Fine arts are usually good for this.

Learn the admissions trick for underperforming students that college registrars don't want you to know about!

Forgot to say "strange" or "odd" trick


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-19 04:40:18 PM  
She and Jennifer Gratz are two sides of the same coin.

Oh and Gratz, to no one's surprise, looks like a FoxNoise poster girl. Funny thing is, she is now "founder and CEO" of an anti-affirmative action group. Presumably, in the course of her lawsuit, she found there were plenty of far-right deep pockets willing to fund her brand of whining. So she decided to make a living out of it instead of actually contributing to society. Oh yeah, Michigan was *so* wrong to deny her application.
 
2014-04-19 04:40:23 PM  

Klippoklondike: mutterfark: Klippoklondike: 23 really isn't that bad.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad

Perhaps, but how do have a real GPA of 3.6 and only manage a 23?

Some people aren't good test takers


I.e. some people are not good at retaining information.
 
2014-04-19 04:40:52 PM  

Skyrmion: Abox: I called a store to confirm they had a hard to find specific item in stock...made the dude swear up and down he had the exact specific thing I wanted, model#, etc. Drove across town to find they only had something similar...arrrgghhhh!! Got back to work pissed off and cursing up and down. I told a black guy I worked with about it and he asked why I thought that happened. I told him because society is in the toilet and nobody gives a crap about doing things right. He told me he'd always attributed those kinds of things to racism.

I'm confused about what the alleged racism could even be in this story.


I assumed it was that he'd show up at a place and be farked with because he's black.
 
2014-04-19 04:40:58 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: You didn't get into one of the best schools in the world.


The article never said she applied to Michigan State.
 
2014-04-19 04:41:04 PM  
According to the TestMasters website, a 23 composite on the ACT is 68th percentile.  If the "average" U of M score is between 29 and 33, it's between the 93rd and 99th percentile.  Typically, that kind of reported range from the university represents the scores of the 25th and 75th percentile, respectively.  So, the 25th percentile of accepted students at U of M would be a 29, or the 93rd percentile of all ACT test takers.

In that context, a 23 would make someone a really fringe candidate.  Beyond that, since her GPA is also below the average (which is probably the median accepted student's score), it compounds the problem.  Those who have scored a 23 and did get in (assuming some did) probably have a GPA at or above the GPA median (i.e., they're good students but bad standardized testers), or are awesome at something (sports, maybe art).  Nothing in the article suggests she's awesome at anything.
 
2014-04-19 04:41:24 PM  
"I have left the plantation to get my freedom".  Must be referring to public education.
 
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