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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Orphan Black becomes the latest hot commodity to get sued by someone who insists they had the idea first   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 34
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2014-04-19 01:01:26 PM  
BBC America has been really beating the hell out of that show.
 
2014-04-19 01:08:52 PM  
"The protagonists birth certificate is a key clue that makes her suspicious about her origin"

Why on earth is the writer citing that as a similarity? The "key clue" in the series premiere was when she saw a clone of herself commit suicide, and then shortly after met another few clones.

Birth certificates had nothing to do with it. Has there even been a birth certificate in the show? Where birth certificate? Wher...
 
2014-04-19 01:13:55 PM  

Target Builder: "The protagonists birth certificate is a key clue that makes her suspicious about her origin"

Why on earth is the writer citing that as a similarity? The "key clue" in the series premiere was when she saw a clone of herself commit suicide, and then shortly after met another few clones.

Birth certificates had nothing to do with it. Has there even been a birth certificate in the show? Where birth certificate? Wher...




Perhaps the article needed a spoiler alert tag?
 
2014-04-19 01:22:03 PM  

Target Builder: "The protagonists birth certificate is a key clue that makes her suspicious about her origin"

Why on earth is the writer citing that as a similarity? The "key clue" in the series premiere was when she saw a clone of herself commit suicide, and then shortly after met another few clones.

Birth certificates had nothing to do with it. Has there even been a birth certificate in the show? Where birth certificate? Wher...


Huh??? There are a bunch of birth certificates in the safe deposit box(which is opened very early on), they are referred to a number of times in the season.
 
2014-04-19 01:24:06 PM  

Target Builder: "The protagonists birth certificate is a key clue that makes her suspicious about her origin"

Why on earth is the writer citing that as a similarity? The "key clue" in the series premiere was when she saw a clone of herself commit suicide, and then shortly after met another few clones.

Birth certificates had nothing to do with it. Has there even been a birth certificate in the show? Where birth certificate? Wher...


One of the first episodes, Sarah finds a safety deposit box with birth certificates for Alison, Beth, and Katja.
 
2014-04-19 01:28:36 PM  
I almost want to say someone may have beaten him to the concept in either a sci fi novel or short story, since I could swear I've read something like that.

Would guess a robin cook or someone who the guy who wrote jurrasic park
 
2014-04-19 01:29:47 PM  
Ira Levin?
 
2014-04-19 01:48:47 PM  

loonatic112358: I almost want to say someone may have beaten him to the concept in either a sci fi novel or short story, since I could swear I've read something like that.

Would guess a robin cook or someone who the guy who wrote jurrasic park


I'm with you here. I'm pretty sure I've read something in this area. Doesn't matter, I still enjoy the show.
 
2014-04-19 01:54:34 PM  
Tatiana Maslany is what makes the show, though. Ideas like this are pretty easy to come by, executing them well is the hard part.
 
2014-04-19 01:55:30 PM  

Lokasenna: Target Builder: "The protagonists birth certificate is a key clue that makes her suspicious about her origin"

Why on earth is the writer citing that as a similarity? The "key clue" in the series premiere was when she saw a clone of herself commit suicide, and then shortly after met another few clones.

Birth certificates had nothing to do with it. Has there even been a birth certificate in the show? Where birth certificate? Wher...

One of the first episodes, Sarah finds a safety deposit box with birth certificates for Alison, Beth, and Katja.


Which isn't really all that important so far except to show that the clones are from all over the world, not just a single location.

This reminds me a bit like the White Wolf lawsuit vs the Underworld movies a few years back because White Wolf had Vampires and Werewolves and had a war between Werewolves and Vampires; this was one of the things cited as a "similarity" which White Wolf based their lawsuit on.
 
2014-04-19 02:00:32 PM  

Techhell: This reminds me a bit like the White Wolf lawsuit vs the Underworld movies a few years back because White Wolf had Vampires and Werewolves and had a war between Werewolves and Vampires; this was one of the things cited as a "similarity" which White Wolf based their lawsuit on.


That's funny, because I remember an episode of The Real Ghostbusters that featured a war between Werewolves and Vampires.  It's not exactly a novel concept.
 
2014-04-19 02:45:26 PM  
I own the copyright to this idea I had about a good guy fighting a bad guy but they're in space.  And there are robots who may or may not be humorous.  Also, space guns.
 
2014-04-19 02:49:46 PM  

bingethinker: loonatic112358: I almost want to say someone may have beaten him to the concept in either a sci fi novel or short story, since I could swear I've read something like that.

Would guess a robin cook or someone who the guy who wrote jurrasic park

I'm with you here. I'm pretty sure I've read something in this area. Doesn't matter, I still enjoy the show.


It looks like something I need to start watching, I'll have to look to see if it's on netflix
 
2014-04-19 02:52:57 PM  

loonatic112358: bingethinker: loonatic112358: I almost want to say someone may have beaten him to the concept in either a sci fi novel or short story, since I could swear I've read something like that.

Would guess a robin cook or someone who the guy who wrote jurrasic park

I'm with you here. I'm pretty sure I've read something in this area. Doesn't matter, I still enjoy the show.

It looks like something I need to start watching, I'll have to look to see if it's on netflix


Unfortunately, Amazon Prime has it locked up as an exclusive right now, along with Justified and The Americans.
 
2014-04-19 03:55:42 PM  
You can't copyright ideas.
 
2014-04-19 04:16:44 PM  

NeoCortex42: That's funny, because I remember an episode of The Real Ghostbusters that featured a war between Werewolves and Vampires.  It's not exactly a novel concept.


Abbott and Costello did it first.  PLUS with Frankenstein.

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2014-04-19 04:43:38 PM  
I like the show quite a bit, but the adoration is a little perplexing, as the plotting just now got rolling after a fairly dull couple of episodes.  And it's interesting (to me, at least) that the sexiest version is the soccer mom.
 
2014-04-19 05:56:54 PM  

bingethinker: loonatic112358: I almost want to say someone may have beaten him to the concept in either a sci fi novel or short story, since I could swear I've read something like that.

Would guess a robin cook or someone who the guy who wrote jurrasic park

I'm with you here. I'm pretty sure I've read something in this area. Doesn't matter, I still enjoy the show.


Let's see, what was the concept again?

"the clandestine development of clones and the resulting journey of the protagonist to discover her origins."

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upload.wikimedia.org


Yeah, not that original of a concept.
 
2014-04-19 06:03:49 PM  

puckrock2000: bingethinker: loonatic112358: I almost want to say someone may have beaten him to the concept in either a sci fi novel or short story, since I could swear I've read something like that.

Would guess a robin cook or someone who the guy who wrote jurrasic park

I'm with you here. I'm pretty sure I've read something in this area. Doesn't matter, I still enjoy the show.

Let's see, what was the concept again?

"the clandestine development of clones and the resulting journey of the protagonist to discover her origins."

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[upload.wikimedia.org image 299x443]

Yeah, not that original of a concept.




I always thought The Island was just a remake of Coma.
 
2014-04-19 06:32:28 PM  
"the same, unusual core copyrightable expression as the Screenplay; i.e. the clandestine development of clones and the resulting journey of the protagonist to discover her origins."

That's not how Copyright works. You can't copyright the plot, only an actual script. Even when Art Buchwald sued over Coming To America he lost the plagiarism case and only won on the breach of contract, since he had signed a contract to produce such a movie. And Art Buchwald had a far stronger case than this guy as far as I can see, and could afford much better lawyers.
 
2014-04-19 06:43:59 PM  
Who cares? At least Orphan Black is back tonight, baby! I was hooked from episode one.
 
2014-04-19 06:54:37 PM  

Flint Ironstag: "the same, unusual core copyrightable expression as the Screenplay; i.e. the clandestine development of clones and the resulting journey of the protagonist to discover her origins."

That's not how Copyright works. You can't copyright the plot, only an actual script. Even when Art Buchwald sued over Coming To America he lost the plagiarism case and only won on the breach of contract, since he had signed a contract to produce such a movie. And Art Buchwald had a far stronger case than this guy as far as I can see, and could afford much better lawyers.


^All of this. In order to have a case for breach of copyright you need to have a laundry list of similarities in character, settings, specific plot points and pacing... And even then it's really, really hard to win because so many ideas are generic (and I mean that in the legal sense, not as a criticism) or practically inevitable in a given genre or concept.

/Also looking forward to season two of Orphan Black showing up on Amazon Prime.
 
2014-04-19 08:30:50 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I like the show quite a bit, but the adoration is a little perplexing, as the plotting just now got rolling after a fairly dull couple of episodes.  And it's interesting (to me, at least) that the sexiest version is the soccer mom.


Agreed. The sex scene in the minivan was better than the one in the kitchen or shower, and those showed a lot more butt than the minivan.
 
2014-04-19 08:30:54 PM  
If Hollywood clones your idea, it's a good sign that the thing you came up with just wasn't that good or original...
 
2014-04-19 08:49:30 PM  
simpsons did it
 
2014-04-19 09:48:29 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I like the show quite a bit, but the adoration is a little perplexing, as the plotting just now got rolling after a fairly dull couple of episodes.  And it's interesting (to me, at least) that the sexiest version is the soccer mom.


It started with a slow burn, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing IMO, especially for a sci-fi show.  Big network shows always seem to play down to those with the shortest attention span and lowest capability to read between the lines, and are often the worse for it when it comes to setting up big payoffs down the line.

That being said, Allison is OK, but not my favorite.  I was definitely on team Helena during season one.
 
2014-04-19 10:00:03 PM  
Hey, I thought the guy who wrote "The Ultimate Rush" had a pretty good case against "Premium Rush," and he lost too. Lots of people have ideas. Hollywood always wins. This is not the $ you're looking for.
 
2014-04-20 07:52:26 AM  
Can someone explain how the contract Allison signed and the fact that clones are 'patented' means anything?  What government would recognize either of them?
 
2014-04-20 08:34:09 AM  

fozziewazzi: Can someone explain how the contract Allison signed and the fact that clones are 'patented' means anything?  What government would recognize either of them?


You're kidding, right? I wonder just how many execs at Monsanto have a tail.
 
2014-04-20 08:48:14 AM  

Silverlock: fozziewazzi: Can someone explain how the contract Allison signed and the fact that clones are 'patented' means anything?  What government would recognize either of them?

You're kidding, right? I wonder just how many execs at Monsanto have a tail.


In the show's universe cloning is illegal, so the contract and patent is meaningless.  Even if the government was secretly supporting this organization they would still be meaningless. I must have missed something.
 
2014-04-20 09:47:46 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: It started with a slow burn, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing IMO, especially for a sci-fi show. Big network shows always seem to play down to those with the shortest attention span and lowest capability to read between the lines, and are often the worse for it when it comes to setting up big payoffs down the line.


Not too bad, but a part of the pacing was damaged by bad acting: the detective dude was little more than a stereotype, and the creepy scientist guy who was a lecturer on evolution was also pretty bad.
 
I still remain firmly on Allison's side.  Those bangs.

\I may be biased against Helena because of the goofy music they'd play when she appeared
 
2014-04-20 10:19:37 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: TuteTibiImperes: It started with a slow burn, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing IMO, especially for a sci-fi show. Big network shows always seem to play down to those with the shortest attention span and lowest capability to read between the lines, and are often the worse for it when it comes to setting up big payoffs down the line.

Not too bad, but a part of the pacing was damaged by bad acting: the detective dude was little more than a stereotype, and the creepy scientist guy who was a lecturer on evolution was also pretty bad.
 
I still remain firmly on Allison's side.  Those bangs.

\I may be biased against Helena because of the goofy music they'd play when she appeared


That would be Matt Frewer.  He may not be a great actor, but I always enjoy it when he's onscreen in any show.
 
2014-04-20 10:27:32 AM  

cirby: If Hollywood clones your idea, it's a good sign that the thing you came up with just wasn't that good or original...


But if the BBC clones your idea ...
 
2014-04-20 01:15:17 PM  

Silverlock: fozziewazzi: Can someone explain how the contract Allison signed and the fact that clones are 'patented' means anything?  What government would recognize either of them?

You're kidding, right? I wonder just how many execs at Monsanto have a tail.


And Icy Blonde sat there and told the Koreans how they lobbied the Supreme Court to rule in their favor vis a vis patenting artificially designed DNA codes. "Oh, the government would never let these big corporations patent genetic material, that would be immoral and illegal." What planet have you been living on? Also, you could probably go to court and say, w/ a straight face, that while human cloning was illegal in 1984, the statue of limitations is well passed. I mean, what is the statue of limitations on illegal human cloning?
 
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