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(Newsworks)   Will prosecuting parents help solve Philly's problem with chronically truant students? District Attorney: Yes. School District: Not only no, but HELL NO   (newsworks.org) divider line 43
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2014-04-19 07:33:48 AM
At first I was hell no, then I read elementary students. If you can't control your elementary school age kid, you fail as a parent.
 
2014-04-19 08:00:37 AM

EvilEgg: At first I was hell no, then I read elementary students. If you can't control your elementary school age kid, you fail as a parent.


These kids are already a lost cause.  The money wasted on this effort would be better spent on the kids who show up to school.
 
2014-04-19 08:02:05 AM
I don't like the sound of the kid ending up in foster care because they won't go to school. Seems like tearing apart families is about the worst possible thing to get them to focus.
And of course, the abusive parents who are gonna blame the kid for not wanting to walk 10 miles to school and punish them. Just hold them back like everyone else.
 
2014-04-19 08:03:13 AM
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2014-04-19 08:04:40 AM
Has anybody considered that the school is better off without these types of kids?  They're just going to disrupt children actually trying to learn if they're forced to attend.
 
2014-04-19 08:06:06 AM
So spending money and man hours, plus limiting the job prospects of the parents by giving them an arrest record is going to solve what, exactly?
 
2014-04-19 08:07:53 AM
Education is the best way to get out of poverty, if taxpayers are paying for a young persons education the police and others have every right to ensure they attend. If my daughter skipped school, I would put on my most frayed bath robe, sponge bob boxers, and walk her to each class holding her hand.
 
2014-04-19 08:09:06 AM
Under his program, the DA's office would send letters to the parents of chronically truant elementary school students - instructing the guardians to meet with their child's school principal. If the meeting doesn't happen within 30 days, the DA's office would send another letter asking parents to meet with the DA's juvenile division.

"And then if they don't do that," Williams said, his office would bring "endangering the welfare of a child felony charges against that parent."


Actually, none of that seems particularly unreasonable.  Keep in mind that the usual outcome of such charges isn't time in jail, but the children being taken away by social services and put with someone else.  Since basically  anyone, even the farkups managing the foster care system, is by definition less negligent than someone that won't send their kid to school  orrespond to official police correspondence, I'd call this appropriate.

If there's some extenuating circumstance, sure, I'm sure the judge would be glad to hear it.  But they're already giving parents more leeway on major failures to care for their children than most courts even give for minor traffic offenses, so I'm not really seeing the outrage here.
 
2014-04-19 08:10:46 AM

jeffjo52: Education is the best way to get out of poverty, if taxpayers are paying for a young persons education the police and others have every right to ensure they attend. If my daughter skipped school, I would put on my most frayed bath robe, sponge bob boxers, and walk her to each class holding her hand.


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2014-04-19 08:11:47 AM

jtown: jeffjo52: Education is the best way to get out of poverty, if taxpayers are paying for a young persons education the police and others have every right to ensure they attend. If my daughter skipped school, I would put on my most frayed bath robe, sponge bob boxers, and walk her to each class holding her hand.

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WTF is that?
 
2014-04-19 08:13:59 AM

jeffjo52: jtown: jeffjo52: Education is the best way to get out of poverty, if taxpayers are paying for a young persons education the police and others have every right to ensure they attend. If my daughter skipped school, I would put on my most frayed bath robe, sponge bob boxers, and walk her to each class holding her hand.

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WTF is that?


That's Uncle Buck's car.  You haven't seen Uncle Buck?
 
2014-04-19 08:16:06 AM

zarker: I don't like the sound of the kid ending up in foster care because they won't go to school. Seems like tearing apart families is about the worst possible thing to get them to focus.
And of course, the abusive parents who are gonna blame the kid for not wanting to walk 10 miles to school and punish them. Just hold them back like everyone else.


If the parents are abusive, you realize that this is entirely the appropriate course of action, right?  "Tearing families apart" is the  appropriate response of the state toward domestic abuse.
 
2014-04-19 08:19:54 AM

jeffjo52: WTF is that?


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2014-04-19 08:23:10 AM

Jim_Callahan: zarker: I don't like the sound of the kid ending up in foster care because they won't go to school. Seems like tearing apart families is about the worst possible thing to get them to focus.
And of course, the abusive parents who are gonna blame the kid for not wanting to walk 10 miles to school and punish them. Just hold them back like everyone else.

If the parents are abusive, you realize that this is entirely the appropriate course of action, right?  "Tearing families apart" is the  appropriate response of the state toward domestic abuse.


The paragraph separation implied different situations.
There wwill be fine families torn apart, and abusive situations will become worse.
 
2014-04-19 08:25:52 AM

jtown: jeffjo52: jtown: jeffjo52: Education is the best way to get out of poverty, if taxpayers are paying for a young persons education the police and others have every right to ensure they attend. If my daughter skipped school, I would put on my most frayed bath robe, sponge bob boxers, and walk her to each class holding her hand.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x450]

WTF is that?

That's Uncle Buck's car.  You haven't seen Uncle Buck?


Nope, just looked it up on imdb... can't believe i haven't seen it, I love John Candy... RIP(SCTV had so much amazing talent).

I am guessing by your picture he made a similar statement to mine?
 
2014-04-19 08:28:30 AM

jeffjo52: jtown: jeffjo52: jtown: jeffjo52: Education is the best way to get out of poverty, if taxpayers are paying for a young persons education the police and others have every right to ensure they attend. If my daughter skipped school, I would put on my most frayed bath robe, sponge bob boxers, and walk her to each class holding her hand.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x450]

WTF is that?

That's Uncle Buck's car.  You haven't seen Uncle Buck?

Nope, just looked it up on imdb... can't believe i haven't seen it, I love John Candy... RIP(SCTV had so much amazing talent).

I am guessing by your picture he made a similar statement to mine?


I thought that's where you got the idea.  "Stand me up today and tomorrow I'll drive you to school in my robe and pajamas and walk you to your first class. "  I guess you know which movie you should watch this weekend.
 
2014-04-19 08:32:11 AM

Jim_Callahan: Since basically  anyone, even the farkups managing the foster care system, is by definition less negligent than someone that won't send their kid to school  orrespond to official police correspondence, I'd call this appropriate.


Lol, yeah, the abusive parents getting a check from social services are top notch
 
2014-04-19 08:35:16 AM
jtown:

I thought that's where you got the idea.  "Stand me up today and tomorrow I'll drive you to school in my robe and pajamas and walk you to your first class. "  I guess you know which movie you should watch this weekend.

My dad used to say that to me when I was growing up... and he MEANT it. This must be where he got it from. Yes, I will be watching the movie ASAP... Thanx.
 
2014-04-19 08:46:24 AM

zarker: I don't like the sound of the kid ending up in foster care because they won't go to school. Seems like tearing apart families is about the worst possible thing to get them to focus.
And of course, the abusive parents who are gonna blame the kid for not wanting to walk 10 miles to school and punish them. Just hold them back like everyone else.


I wish we could manage middle ground between foster care/prison and farking the kids over. Boarding schools would work, but that would require them to actually be well run instead of degrading to prison camps.

/complete with guard/inmate rape.
 
2014-04-19 08:54:18 AM

Bslim: So spending money and man hours, plus limiting the job prospects of the parents by giving them an arrest record is going to solve what, exactly?


Aren't you jumping straight to the worse case scenario? How about results such as parents starting to take responsibility? Kids taking responsibility? Finding solutions to problems that weren't apparent?
 
2014-04-19 08:55:56 AM

BMFPitt: EvilEgg: At first I was hell no, then I read elementary students. If you can't control your elementary school age kid, you fail as a parent.

These kids are already a lost cause.  The money wasted on this effort would be better spent on the kids who show up to school.


Problem is if you give up on them then later on they become a drain on society. Gotta at least try early on.
 
2014-04-19 08:56:33 AM

mike_d85: zarker: I don't like the sound of the kid ending up in foster care because they won't go to school. Seems like tearing apart families is about the worst possible thing to get them to focus.
And of course, the abusive parents who are gonna blame the kid for not wanting to walk 10 miles to school and punish them. Just hold them back like everyone else.

I wish we could manage middle ground between foster care/prison and farking the kids over. Boarding schools would work, but that would require them to actually be well run instead of degrading to prison camps.

/complete with guard/inmate rape.


I think every school district should have a program like the one I'm in. All the work is online, and you go in once a week, an hour per class, take your tests and get prepped on what's being covered the next week. And they have tutoring every week, and you can even call the teachers to schedule private tutoring.
And the thing I think is the best is if you need a ride to or from the school the principal will take you.
Attendance is based off if you do all your work, doesn't matter how well. And you can make it up at any time during the grading period.
 
2014-04-19 08:58:55 AM

BMFPitt: EvilEgg: At first I was hell no, then I read elementary students. If you can't control your elementary school age kid, you fail as a parent.

These kids are already a lost cause.  The money wasted on this effort would be better spent on the kids who show up to school.


No they're not their parents are the lost cause but punishing them may help them realize not to fark up their kids chances and pass on their bitterness because they suck ass.
 
2014-04-19 09:02:41 AM

jeffjo52: jtown:

I thought that's where you got the idea.  "Stand me up today and tomorrow I'll drive you to school in my robe and pajamas and walk you to your first class. "  I guess you know which movie you should watch this weekend.

My dad used to say that to me when I was growing up... and he MEANT it. This must be where he got it from. Yes, I will be watching the movie ASAP... Thanx.


Hell my dad drove a truck before starting his own trucking company and worked nights so when he said he had no problem coming to sit with me in school I had no choice but to believe him.
 
2014-04-19 09:07:06 AM

zarker: I think every school district should have a program like the one I'm in. All the work is online, and you go in once a week, an hour per class, take your tests and get prepped on what's being covered the next week. And they have tutoring every week, and you can even call the teachers to schedule private tutoring.
And the thing I think is the best is if you need a ride to or from the school the principal will take you.
Attendance is based off if you do all your work, doesn't matter how well. And you can make it up at any time during the grading period.


For what grade level is this?
 
2014-04-19 09:12:33 AM

mike_d85: zarker: I don't like the sound of the kid ending up in foster care because they won't go to school. Seems like tearing apart families is about the worst possible thing to get them to focus.
And of course, the abusive parents who are gonna blame the kid for not wanting to walk 10 miles to school and punish them. Just hold them back like everyone else.

I wish we could manage middle ground between foster care/prison and farking the kids over. Boarding schools would work, but that would require them to actually be well run instead of degrading to prison camps.

/complete with guard/inmate rape.


State sponsored parents of any kind usually fail.  When the government is the provider for the family....the family usually fails.  Johnson's great society aint so great.
 
2014-04-19 09:13:41 AM
Teachers always complain that they are "graded" unfairly, because they need the parents help in the education processes.  Then, someone comes up with an idea, and the teachers complain about that.  I think the teachers' union needs to step up with solutions and stop being an actual impediment.
 
2014-04-19 09:30:42 AM
CaptSS:Problem is if you give up on them then later on they become a drain on society. Gotta at least try early on.

That is going to happen either way.  Focusing on the kids who have a chance, rather than letting these kids drag them down, will be a better use of resources.

steamingpile: No they're not their parents are the lost cause but punishing them may help them realize not to fark up their kids chances and pass on their bitterness because they suck ass.

You think the parents can be fixed.  I am skeptical of that.
 
2014-04-19 09:42:45 AM

strangeluck: zarker: I think every school district should have a program like the one I'm in. All the work is online, and you go in once a week, an hour per class, take your tests and get prepped on what's being covered the next week. And they have tutoring every week, and you can even call the teachers to schedule private tutoring.
And the thing I think is the best is if you need a ride to or from the school the principal will take you.
Attendance is based off if you do all your work, doesn't matter how well. And you can make it up at any time during the grading period.

For what grade level is this?


6-12. I understand the article is about elementary school, but I don't see it being too difficult to apply to elementary. Could simply turn online assignments into packets that are passed out at each weekly class.
 
2014-04-19 09:57:42 AM

BMFPitt: EvilEgg: At first I was hell no, then I read elementary students. If you can't control your elementary school age kid, you fail as a parent.

These kids are already a lost cause.  The money wasted on this effort would be better spent on the kids who show up to school.


This. And classes that could be operating at a normal or advanced level become remedial because we can't let anyone fall behind. Fark the smart kids, no child left behind.

Leave 'em behind. They don't show up? Good. Leave them as far behind as necessary.
 
2014-04-19 10:00:35 AM

BMFPitt: CaptSS:Problem is if you give up on them then later on they become a drain on society. Gotta at least try early on.

That is going to happen either way.  Focusing on the kids who have a chance, rather than letting these kids drag them down, will be a better use of resources.

steamingpile: No they're not their parents are the lost cause but punishing them may help them realize not to fark up their kids chances and pass on their bitterness because they suck ass.

You think the parents can be fixed.  I am skeptical of that.


So if an elementary kid misses 12 days in a year, we ought to take them out and shoot them and their parents, because they're both lost causes?

One of the keys to the article was the argument that there's a federal law that prohibits the school district from sharing the info with the DA. So, great idea but it's illegal. Next.

And I think a felony is rather harsh. You're clearly dealing with screw up, dead beat parents. They need help managing their own lives. A bigger stick is unlikely to fix them. A carrot may be ignored. I think you just have to minimize the collateral damage.
 
2014-04-19 10:00:55 AM

jeffjo52: Education is the best way to get out of poverty, if taxpayers are paying for a young persons education the police and others have every right to ensure they attend. If my daughter skipped school, I would put on my most frayed bath robe, sponge bob boxers, and walk her to each class holding her hand.


Yeah. Exactly. You would do that WITHOUT someone threatening arrest. So why should taxpayers and police be tied up with irresponsible parents? We're back at square one.
 
2014-04-19 10:04:55 AM

whatdoyouexpect: BMFPitt: EvilEgg: At first I was hell no, then I read elementary students. If you can't control your elementary school age kid, you fail as a parent.

These kids are already a lost cause.  The money wasted on this effort would be better spent on the kids who show up to school.

This. And classes that could be operating at a normal or advanced level become remedial because we can't let anyone fall behind. Fark the smart kids, no child left behind.

Leave 'em behind. They don't show up? Good. Leave them as far behind as necessary.


Agreed. No child left behind is stupid. Kids mature a different rates and have different intelligence. A three to five year age spread in a classroom should not be abnormal. And at one time wasn't with the one room schoolhouse.
 
2014-04-19 10:30:58 AM
Who are you going to prosecute?  The "father?"

www.jerseycoastal.com
 
2014-04-19 10:39:37 AM
So nobody has yet pointed out that correlation=/=causation? Getting slow, Fark.

The school district is right. Poorly informed DA who wants to pad his prosecution record with a bunch of easy wins didn't bother asking the professionals. Failure to graduate correlating with higher crime and death rates does not automatically mean that the problem is failure to graduate. And (harshly) treating a symptom isn't going to cure anything.

/when someone wants to do something patently stupid, always ask how they stand to benefit. For DAs it's usually about boosting their stats prior to running for election.
//in Baltimore, the cops no longer decide what cases to investigate. The DA does, and oddly enough, if it's not a slam dunk it doesn't get pursued. Makes the cops' stats really bad but the DA looks great.
 
2014-04-19 10:44:42 AM
Then, there are those of us who would argue that any use of resources in or for Philadelphia is a waste.
 
2014-04-19 11:57:07 AM

BravadoGT: Who are you going to prosecute?  The "father?"

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I don't get the joke.
 
2014-04-19 11:58:53 AM
"School is for losers," said every dead 15 year old street corner hustler
 
2014-04-19 02:20:28 PM

jtown: jeffjo52: jtown: jeffjo52: jtown: jeffjo52: Education is the best way to get out of poverty, if taxpayers are paying for a young persons education the police and others have every right to ensure they attend. If my daughter skipped school, I would put on my most frayed bath robe, sponge bob boxers, and walk her to each class holding her hand.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x450]

WTF is that?

That's Uncle Buck's car.  You haven't seen Uncle Buck?

Nope, just looked it up on imdb... can't believe i haven't seen it, I love John Candy... RIP(SCTV had so much amazing talent).

I am guessing by your picture he made a similar statement to mine?

I thought that's where you got the idea.  "Stand me up today and tomorrow I'll drive you to school in my robe and pajamas and walk you to your first class. "  I guess you know which movie you should watch this weekend.


I like the part where he drills his way into a bedroom and finds Bug with another girl.  Funny stuff.
 
2014-04-19 02:20:58 PM

zarker: I don't like the sound of the kid ending up in foster care because they won't go to school. Seems like tearing apart families is about the worst possible thing to get them to focus.
And of course, the abusive parents who are gonna blame the kid for not wanting to walk 10 miles to school and punish them. Just hold them back like everyone else.


If you are elementary school age and your guardian(s) is (are) so lazy/addicted/overworked/mentally ill/abused/doesn't matter why that you are chronically absent from school it's fairly likely a foster home would be a better place than where you are.
 
2014-04-19 03:39:22 PM
As a chronically truant high school student(starting in ninth grade) I can say that it will not work!

My parents paid several fines for me just not going, or going just late enough to get on the tardy list and leaving out the side door, I think the last one was for $500.00!!

I had something like 30+ unexcused absences along with at least that many times doing that ^late thing^ in tenth grade and still passed every class with decent grades!!

Eleventh grade was even worse, although the two or three months quarantine because someone with whom I had regular contact with died of spinal meningitis was taken into consideration( quarantine ended about the same time as the school year) just had to pass the final for every class to pass the class, which I did!!

The point of the story is punishing parents for their children,s mistakes just makes it easier for said children to get back at them for something!! Abusive stepfather in my case!!!
 
2014-04-19 06:33:45 PM

just_another_asshole/jaa:   It was damp and chilly afternoon, so I decided to put on my sweatshirt!

  I pulled the lever on the machine, but the Clark bar didn't come out!
 
2014-04-20 08:31:23 AM

Precision Boobery: just_another_asshole/jaa:   It was damp and chilly afternoon, so I decided to put on my sweatshirt!  I pulled the lever on the machine, but the Clark bar didn't come out!


nicely done
 
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