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(Huffington Post)   Student upset that her professor found out she is a stripper and lowered her grades. Psst, hey prof... you're doing it wrong   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 83
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2014-04-19 10:12:43 AM  

PunGent: bunner: PunGent: bunner: I cannot help but think that any student who has figured out "z0mg lookit mah titties, 'k gimmie munny nao" is profitable industry should be given extra credit, especially if she's in Econ.

No, no, no...they should all be flunked right out.

That way we get more strippers, and fewer economists.  Win-win.

:  /

:  \

*scibbles furiously*

I'll assume that's an admission that, like any normal human male, you'd rather spend time with strippers than with economists :)


"scibbles [sic] furiously" is a euphemism. I'm just not sure if he's thinking about the strippers or the economists as he does it.
 
2014-04-19 10:15:54 AM  

brimed03: "scibbles [sic] furiously" is a euphemism.


Or not.


I'm just not sure if he's thinking about the strippers or the economists as he does it.


I'm taking notes on the strippers / economists, costs / benefits analysis.
 
2014-04-19 10:22:25 AM  

wildcardjack: I have a shouty loud neighbor who I've had to call the cops to intervene before, and about a week ago I heard the last argument end with "My friends told me about what you're doing before you did, take your car and go, stripper!" Well, he seems to be a bit of a hypocrite. He travels in the circles that would go to see strippers, and if she is competent to be a girlfriend then why not. I don't do strip clubs, but if a woman can exploit men for money all the power to them.


Never date a stripper, at least don't care about her.
 
2014-04-19 10:27:51 AM  
Wait. You mean to tell me there are strippers that are ACTUALLY paying their way through university? Who knew?
 
2014-04-19 10:35:50 AM  

Murflette: Since when does stripping make you a "sex worker"????

Strippers aren't prostitutes, its a legal, if less than respectable, profession. and there is no such thing as " student sex workers" to get discriminated on. Your a stripper, not a sex worker, and no stripper I've EVER met would call themselves that.
It's been said but....

Fake fakety fake fake. Fake fake.


Pretty much all strippers are a hundred dollar bill away from being a prostitute.

Take offense all you like.  Once you are willing to get naked and grind a pole for money, it's a short trip to the hooker mobile.
 
2014-04-19 10:46:42 AM  

max_pooper: No subby. You only raise the grades of student strippers that hand out blowers under the lectern.



Mahoney?
 
2014-04-19 10:48:58 AM  

Bslim: Freedom to skank it up doesn't mean freedom from consequences.


I'm not surprised to see slut shaming alive and well.
 
2014-04-19 10:50:30 AM  
without pictures we have no idea if she is hot. maybe she wasn't hot and that pissed of her teacher.
 
2014-04-19 10:53:44 AM  

Gunboat: Bslim: Freedom to skank it up doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

I'm not surprised to see slut shaming alive and well.


society has made stripping\sex work shameful careers.  if you are going to do the crime, be prepared to do the time.
 
2014-04-19 10:54:06 AM  
Wow! The video of "Red" & "Kate" is almost exactly how I see strippers when I go to the Pink Pony. All blurry in a smoke filled room.
 
2014-04-19 10:54:17 AM  

Gunboat: I'm not surprised to see slut shaming alive and well.


As is every other sort of shaming.  Pick a miscreant and start shoveling.  Frankly, I don't care is she banged the entire varsity.  But at the end of the day, so what?  If she actually got sh*tty grades for showing everybody her vajoohoo for money, the prof should apologize and retract.  Because it has nothing to do with her grades.  What he thinks of her morality is HIS business.  And should be kept away from his job.
 
2014-04-19 10:58:27 AM  
She said she was angry, but didn't know where she could turn for help.
"If this is how he reacted," she said, "who can I go to?"

She should have a closed door meeting with the professor and the university president.
But then I always did want to be a script writer for "Brazzers".
 
2014-04-19 11:15:30 AM  

Bslim: Freedom to skank it up doesn't mean freedom from consequences.


Being given lower grades for the same work shouldn't be a consequence of making money as a stripper.

/Assuming that actually happened
//Whoever wrote this article put in absolutely zero investigative effort.
///Not even a "the professor in question declined to comment" or "we couldn't contact the professor in question without betraying the identity of the student"
 
2014-04-19 12:00:35 PM  

frepnog: Pretty much all strippers are a hundred dollar bill away from being a prostitute.


Citation needed.  I knew about two dozen of them back in my more heathen days (well enough to know their real names and addresses, their boyfriends/husbands, and to consider them all good friends outside the club), and I still keep in touch with most of them almost 20 years later.  By and large they were normal, everyday girls that didn't particularly enjoy dancing, but they worked in a constant party atmosphere that paid a hell of a lot better than McDonald's.  They also didn't like to associate with the two girls at the club that *did* turn tricks.  A couple fit the mold of "wild child", one had some severe drug problems and has been in and out of jail, and one went into porn for a little while, but the rest led otherwise unremarkable lives then and now, except for the one that now runs the radiology department at a hospital in her area.

Yes, I know "data" isn't the plural of "anecdote".
 
2014-04-19 12:14:42 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Some professors will grade finals.

No professor grades more than the occasional assignment, and no lecturer in history has personally graded assignments consistently enough for an "immediate drop in grades" to be perceptible.  Even the University of Paris in the 1200s used TAs.

// Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program.  Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission.  Portland state is an actual University.


I am a 'real' professor at an 'actual University' and I do all my own grading, including exams, quizzes, and assignments (in-class and homework).

/Grades go down for lots of reasons, instructor bias may be one of them, but there are a plethora of other possibilities
 
2014-04-19 12:19:51 PM  
According to the article, he asked what she did to earn money, she answered honestly. No harm in that. But I agree with many posters on here that if her grades went down, more than likely it's because her schoolwork quality likewise went down. She would have a most difficult time proving that his newfound knowledge of how she earns her money is the direct cause.
 
2014-04-19 12:32:34 PM  

cgremlin: Yes, I know "data" isn't the plural of "anecdote".


I get you.  But the truth is that most strippers are more than willing to turn a trick, and most of them are not going to publicize it, and even more would deny it to their dying day.

but you catch a woman that is willing to get naked and grind a pole for money on a bad night when the tips aren't just rolling and she has rent to pay and food to buy for her kid and live in boyfriend that won't work and an 8-ball to pick up from her dealer after her shift, and you've got a girl willing to suck your dick for money.

every.  farking.  time.
 
2014-04-19 12:38:50 PM  

imfallen_angel: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eh - lots of Professors are biased.  Lots of them don't realize it.  Grading is not objective.  And it's 1000x more true in the 'softer' fields (like history) where your more likely to be writing a paper about a topic in general than solving a mathematical equation that can either be correct or incorrect.

Studies have shown that Professors grade differently based on the name on the paper, the formatting/font of the paper, and the handwriting (when it isn't typed).

People *can't* remove their biases.  Most aren't even aware of it.  If the educational system cared (hint:  They don't) the University would have a policy where all of the grading is rotated among Professors and all of the assignments are submitted in a predefined format, with an anonymous 'student identifier'.

I remember a conversation between two teachers that would sit together grading essays...


Teacher 1: New essays to correct, here's one, What do you think?
Teacher 2: Whoa-ho. Very nice. Look at that.
Teacher 1: Picked them up from the class yesterday.
Teacher 2: Good coloring.
Teacher 1: That's bone. And the lettering is something called Silian Rail.
Teacher 2: It's very cool, but that's nothing. Look at this.
Teacher 2: That is really nice.
Teacher 2: Eggshell with Romalian type. What do you think?
Teacher 1: Nice.
Teacher 2: Jesus. That is really super. How'd a nitwit like you get so tasteful?
Teacher 1: [Thinking] I can't believe that you prefers this student's essay to this one.
Teacher 2: But wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Raised lettering, pale nimbus. White.
Teacher 1: Impressive. Very nice.
Teacher 2: Hmm.
Teacher 1: Let's see this student's essay.
Teacher 1: [Thinking] Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
Teacher 2: Is something wrong, Teacher 1? You're sweating.


Nicely done.
 
2014-04-19 12:59:12 PM  

frepnog: Murflette: Since when does stripping make you a "sex worker"????

Strippers aren't prostitutes, its a legal, if less than respectable, profession. and there is no such thing as " student sex workers" to get discriminated on. Your a stripper, not a sex worker, and no stripper I've EVER met would call themselves that.
It's been said but....

Fake fakety fake fake. Fake fake.

Pretty much all strippers are a hundred dollar bill away from being a prostitute.

Take offense all you like.  Once you are willing to get naked and grind a pole for money, it's a short trip to the hooker mobile.


Eh...I think that's a bit of a stereotype. I know plenty of hardworking womern that do or did strip to pay bills, and not one of them would have done more than dance for that hundo.
/there's some that will, for sure...

But my overall point is that one looking for academic respect probably wouldn't refer to herself as a "sex worker" when trying to justify her outrage...

/was using it as example of fakery.
/also if you think 100 is all it would take for hookery, enjoy your meth mouth and herpes. Most dancers pull 6 to 8 times that in an evening of simply "grinding the pole"
 
2014-04-19 01:05:10 PM  

Murflette: Most dancers pull 6 to 8 times that in an evening of simply "grinding the pole"


no, most don't.  Most strippers work in shiatholes in which the patrons roll up with 50 bucks in singles, not the Platinum club filled with rich guys buying bottle service.

Most strippers are pulling 100-300 bucks on a good night while being drugged out of their minds so they can actually force themselves on stage.
 
2014-04-19 01:24:19 PM  

italie: Jim_Callahan: / Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program.  Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission.  Portland state is an actual University


The snark in your statement is why I often loathe "The properly educated".

/ Smartest people I know don't have a degree, or have one from those "High-school" colleges.
// They knew that real effort would be required to excel in their field, not being able to ride the coat tails of a diploma with a flashy name on it.

/// Not bashing the underlying point


If you mean the most financially successful people you know that's either a reflection of your chosen circle of relationships or a significant outlier.

If you mean the most generally happy and self sustaining that makes sense.
 
2014-04-19 01:43:27 PM  

frepnog: Murflette: Most dancers pull 6 to 8 times that in an evening of simply "grinding the pole"

no, most don't.  Most strippers work in shiatholes in which the patrons roll up with 50 bucks in singles, not the Platinum club filled with rich guys buying bottle service.

Most strippers are pulling 100-300 bucks on a good night while being drugged out of their minds so they can actually force themselves on stage.


Coworker got fired waiting tables, decided to take her clothes off... made 600 on her first night dancing at shiatiest least respected club in town.
You underestimate the power of boobies
Or spend too much time in truck stop strip clubs.
Or, youve never been to a club and draw your conclusions from TV
 
2014-04-19 02:18:02 PM  

Murflette: Coworker got fired waiting tables, decided to take her clothes off... made 600 on her first night dancing at shiatiest least respected club in town.

(new girl.  good money.  no surprise.)

Murflette:
You underestimate the power of boobies (never.)

Murflette:
Or spend too much time in truck stop strip clubs.  (More of those than top line clubs.  Don't go to them.)

Murflette:
Or, youve never been to a club and draw your conclusions from TV (tv tells me strippers make thousands a night and never have to have sex with their clients.  nope, it's not that.)
 
2014-04-19 02:37:46 PM  
All these sex trades- legalise 'em, regulate and tax. Safer for the clients, safer for the workers. You've got as much chance of getting rid of prostitution as you do gravity.
 
2014-04-19 03:23:03 PM  

zarker: Or maybe it doesn't matter what your job is, you shouldn't discuss stripping or strip clubs or strippers with a teacher/superior because it's wildly inappropriate anyway?


If stripping isn't a legitimate job we would work to end it. If it is a legitimate job then it's reasonable to talk about when someone ask what you do (and probably a whole lot of other circumstances).

And in any case, "discussing something inappropriate" out-of-band isn't a reason to change someone's grades.

/ Not that thisstory provides any evidence of that accusation in the first place.
 
2014-04-19 03:23:09 PM  

Bslim: Freedom to skank it up doesn't mean freedom from consequences.


So you would approve of a professer lower the grades of single mothers, divorced people who re-married, people who got married in the "wrong" church, etc.?
 
2014-04-19 03:30:06 PM  

notatrollorami: italie: Jim_Callahan: / Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program.  Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission.  Portland state is an actual University


The snark in your statement is why I often loathe "The properly educated".

/ Smartest people I know don't have a degree, or have one from those "High-school" colleges.
// They knew that real effort would be required to excel in their field, not being able to ride the coat tails of a diploma with a flashy name on it.

/// Not bashing the underlying point

If you mean the most financially successful people you know that's either a reflection of your chosen circle of relationships or a significant outlier.

If you mean the most generally happy and self sustaining that makes sense.


By "Smartest" I mean "Most intelligent". Known way too many master and doctorate level educates who could quote every book they've ever read, but not much more. Ask them to apply the concept and the floor falls out from under them. They get jobs though, due to the words at the top of their diplomas.

I fully agree with the notion that big name universities have "greater potential" to graduate the most qualified people for any field. What they can't fully control, however, is the will of the individual to fully absorb that information beyond passing an exam. I'm finding that more common with people fighting for their educations, and those coming out of lesser known colleges.
 
2014-04-19 03:35:17 PM  

jekfark: "Red, a name she asked to go by to conceal her identity, says this shows what kind of uphill battle student sex workers face today."

Wait, what?


Yep, this is one of the most content-free hit pieces I've seen in a while. An unnamed student was given lower grades by an unnamed professor after mentioning stripping, and then turned around to validate the prejudices of sex workers and social justice warriors everywhere with an anonymous morality tale in a HuffPo blog, then extending a random anecdote to proof of how oppressed her peers are. Right.

This reads like a Daily Mail article, without the stock photos. I'll give 10-to-1 odds that the only "Red" that ever existed was the publishing deadline.

/Portland has the most strippers per capita in the world. The chances of any student there being a stripper are therefore higher than anywhere else in the world, any professor is probably assuming half his female students are. Seriously?
 
2014-04-19 04:09:10 PM  
Red, a name she asked to go by to conceal her identity, says this shows what kind of uphill battle student sex workers face today.

Well, try not being a sex worker. I know, I know, you're too pretty to serve coffee or donuts or french fries.
 
2014-04-19 04:37:20 PM  

frepnog: Gunboat: Bslim: Freedom to skank it up doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

I'm not surprised to see slut shaming alive and well.

society has made stripping\sex work shameful careers.  if you are going to do the crime, be prepared to do the time.


Not everyone in society shares your petty moralistic viewpoint. I'd say archaic atitude but Courtesians, as in "welcome in the court" were once highly regarded as in Veronica Franco. Yes, society's pendulum did swing. Society changed, human nature, not so much. Hopefully we're moving back away from Christian fundamentalism and Sharia law. Try not to promulgate these ideas. You're not helping.
 
2014-04-19 05:23:51 PM  

The Shoveller: Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: I agree this girl's story seems implausible, but you are aware there are many, many professors out there who do, in fact, grade work themselves, and many colleges and universities where that is the norm, particularly for upper level courses?

Some professors will grade finals.

No professor grades more than the occasional assignment, and no lecturer in history has personally graded assignments consistently enough for an "immediate drop in grades" to be perceptible.  Even the University of Paris in the 1200s used TAs.

// Though I should clarify: real professor, four-year degree program.  Community college people function like high-school teachers and manage coursework differently due to differences in institutional mission.  Portland state is an actual University.

I am a 'real' professor at an 'actual University' and I do all my own grading, including exams, quizzes, and assignments (in-class and homework).

/Grades go down for lots of reasons, instructor bias may be one of them, but there are a plethora of other possibilities


Dittos.
I am also a professor, do my own grading, and don't believe this story one bit.
I have seen everything from pop stars to high-priced call girls in my classes over the years. Didn't affect how I graded them one whit. In a lot of work, you actually don't even pay attention to the name until you are recording the grade.
 
2014-04-19 05:31:11 PM  
I always cringe when I hear "I'm an 'A' student".

All students are the "results of your last assignment" students.


Some possibilities

 - the easy starter assignments for the semester went away and the real work started
 - the nature of the assignments changed (analysis instead of recitation of facts)
 - the content of the course changed to something less interesting/connectable for the student
 - the course content got harder
 - misunderstood some assignments
 - late nights working led to poor performance at school
 - too many parties lately
 - there was bias

We obviouly have no where near enough information to asses.


 - Never happened? Meh - I'll give the benefit of the doubt as far as her recounting of events if not her interpretation of them.
 
2014-04-20 10:26:43 AM  

bunner: PunGent: bunner: PunGent: bunner: I cannot help but think that any student who has figured out "z0mg lookit mah titties, 'k gimmie munny nao" is profitable industry should be given extra credit, especially if she's in Econ.

No, no, no...they should all be flunked right out.

That way we get more strippers, and fewer economists.  Win-win.

:  /

:  \

*scibbles furiously*

I'll assume that's an admission that, like any normal human male, you'd rather spend time with strippers than with economists :)

Actually, I'd rather spend my time with shoe shine stand operators than economists.  A - The former is actually participating in the economy and not just playing play bu play announcer man, and B - Economists have, by and large, helped us get precisely, here.


I went deer hunting with three economists.  After hours in the woods, we finally spotted a magnificent buck.  The first economist fired, and missed, ten feet to the left.  Then the second economist fired his gun, and also missed...ten feet to the right.

The third economist jumped in the air, pumped his fist, and yelled "Woohoo! we're eating venison tonight!".
 
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