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2014-04-18 10:27:09 PM  
...Frazier Glenn Cross, the man accused of killing three people at two Jewish community sites in suburban Kansas City on April 13, was barred from Stormfront because of disagreements with the site's founder.

Their reinstatement policy is pretty strict, I guess.
 
2014-04-18 10:28:00 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Considering that the SPLC is basically StormFront of the Left, I wouldn't trust anything they say. Come back when they criticize MSNBC for hiring Al Sharpton


Yeah but you're basically the Hitler of the south.
 
2014-04-18 10:28:02 PM  
The number of people who emerge on these threads to deny that vicious white supremacists actually exist and kill people in America is somewhat terrifying, actually. Are you all sekrit Stormfront posters, or is it just that you cannot handle the fact that white supremacy accounts for far more hate crimes and deaths in America than other types of terrorism?

Either way, the idea shocks me. But then, gross stupidity usually does.
 
2014-04-18 10:28:09 PM  

Somacandra: mark12A: Under the logic of that article, Islamic websites the 9/11 hijackers visited are responsible for thousands of deaths.

This may come as a shock to you, but reactionary assholes, whether they are Islamic, Christian, Hindu or White Nationalist, all have in common that whole "reactionary asshole" thing. I don't think the SPLC would dispute that jihadi-martyr forums and Qaedan websites are fuel for those kinds of terrorists attacks. But as TFA mentions (and Fark also had a thread on), since 9/11 reactionary American militants have caused far more actual injuries and deaths in the USA, despite continuing media obsession with jihadists.


Untrue! Liberal Lies! Benghazi! Clinton got a blowjob! Wake up sheeple!

Every one of those killings was a false flag black bag gubbmint operation or done by a lone nut who just happened to be allegedly White.
 
2014-04-18 10:28:51 PM  
Some data from the report:

Stormfront membership numbers:

2002: 5,000
2004: 23,000
"now": 286,000


Murders:

Aug 1999 1 (+5 wounded) Furrow (postal worker, Jewish daycare center)
Apr 2000 7 Baumhammer (Jewish neighbor + minorities-targeting shooting spree)
Apr 2002 1 Bishop ("gay" brother)
Feb 2008 1 Leshkevich (wife; murder-suicide )
Apr 2009 3 (+1 w.) Poplawski (police officers during shootout)
Apr 2010 1 (+1 w.) Maynar (ex-wife, stepdaughter; suicide after chase)
Jul 2011 77 (+??? ) Breivik (bomb+political party's youth camp)
May 2012 4 (ex-gf, ex-gf's daughter+fiancee, granddaughter; murder-suicide)
May 2012 1 Magnotta/Newman (immigrant)
Aug 2012 6 (+4) Page (Sikh temple; suicide during police shootout)
 
2014-04-18 10:29:01 PM  
Within a few minutes of visiting thehun.net, millions of my boys die.
 
2014-04-18 10:32:00 PM  
So... how many visited HuffPost?
 
2014-04-18 10:32:27 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Brutha


they're heere...
 
2014-04-18 10:33:51 PM  

you are a puppet: FloridaFarkTag: Considering that the SPLC is basically StormFront of the Left, I wouldn't trust anything they say. Come back when they criticize MSNBC for hiring Al Sharpton

Yeah but you're basically the Hitler of the south.


That made me snortlaugh for some reason.

SPLC is now Stormfront for the left? THat might be the most pathetically desperate BOTH SIDES ARE BAD!!!! (so don't look seriously into the violent actions of users of a militant white supremacist Web site?) I've seen yet.
 
2014-04-18 10:34:31 PM  
SPLC is M Dees and two flunkies who open the checks for him.
 
2014-04-18 10:35:52 PM  

Somacandra: It's Me Bender: About half of those were committed by the, ah, "attractive and successful" demographic

I love the fact that you cite as somehow equivalent acts of violence by people who happen to be Black and acts of violence perpetrated by people who actively hate anybody that isn't White. I won't draw any conclusions from that, except to say that the very fact you described Black people with an allusion to Fark's filter for a racial epithet itself speaks volumes.


Didn't you know that ANY crime committed by one of those people is a hate crime?
 
2014-04-18 10:36:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The number of people who emerge on these threads to deny that vicious white supremacists actually exist and kill people in America is somewhat terrifying, actually.


Brevik killed people in America? I didn't even know he was American.
 
2014-04-18 10:37:30 PM  

phaseolus: "Earlier this week, CNN reported that, in America, people who follow far-right wing ideologies have been responsible for more killings than Islamic extremists since September 11."

But if Homeland Security releases a report suggesting somebody should keep an eye on right-wing hate groups, conservatives act all persecuted and whine "take that baaaack".


I'm no fan of Stormfront, but part of your report comes from intentional mislabeling.  For example, the government refuses to classify the first Fort Hood shootings as being Islam-related. Even as the shooter, a devout Muslim and sympathizer with Al Queda, yelled 'Allah Akbar' while shooting.
 
2014-04-18 10:38:43 PM  

NFA: Which is it?  Breitbart or WND?


Breitbart? Opposition to totalitarianism is a hate crime?
 
2014-04-18 10:39:01 PM  
Snarky: I knew those people at LemonParty couldn't be trusted!

Non-snarky: I had completely forgotten about Stormfront. It's as though they went dark for a while, then someone figured out their modus operandi.
 
2014-04-18 10:39:36 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: FloridaFarkTag: Brutha

they're heere...


Yup. About half a dozen of 'em. One of them is even pretending that he served in the Core.
 
2014-04-18 10:42:37 PM  

maram500: Snarky: I knew those people at LemonParty couldn't be trusted!

Non-snarky: I had completely forgotten about Stormfront. It's as though they went dark for a while, then someone figured out their modus operandi.


Honestly, I had forgotten about them because since Obama came into the picture Free Republic became so steeped in psychotic racism I ignored that sites have been historically worse than them and far deeper in their psychosis.
 
2014-04-18 10:43:02 PM  

TheSwissNavy: NFA: Which is it?  Breitbart or WND?

Breitbart? Opposition to totalitarianism is a hate crime?


Ask Shirley Sherrod.
 
2014-04-18 10:43:25 PM  
Assuming the FBI is following the NSA's lead, I'm sure they are using hate sites like sturmfront and freirupublik as well as incidents like BundyRanch to catalog and build dossiers on the many rightwing domestic terrorist wannabes floating about.
 
2014-04-18 10:43:57 PM  
images.sodahead.com
 
2014-04-18 10:44:17 PM  

Nemo's Brother: phaseolus: "Earlier this week, CNN reported that, in America, people who follow far-right wing ideologies have been responsible for more killings than Islamic extremists since September 11."

But if Homeland Security releases a report suggesting somebody should keep an eye on right-wing hate groups, conservatives act all persecuted and whine "take that baaaack".

I'm no fan of Stormfront, but part of your report comes from intentional mislabeling.  For example, the government refuses to classify the first Fort Hood shootings as being Islam-related. Even as the shooter, a devout Muslim and sympathizer with Al Queda, yelled 'Allah Akbar' while shooting.


Well also starting the count after one side scored a 3000 point shot skews it a bit. Sorta like asking Mary Todd Lincoln, "...well other than that, how was the play?"
 
2014-04-18 10:44:26 PM  

phaseolus: "Earlier this week, CNN reported that, in America, people who follow far-right wing ideologies have been responsible for more killings than Islamic extremists since September 11."

But if Homeland Security releases a report suggesting somebody should keep an eye on right-wing hate groups, conservatives act all persecuted and whine "take that baaaack".


What about the American Civil War?
 
2014-04-18 10:44:29 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Assuming the FBI is following the NSA's lead, I'm sure they are using hate sites like sturmfront and freirupublik as well as incidents like BundyRanch to catalog and build dossiers on the many rightwing domestic terrorist wannabes floating about.


Following? Do you really think they haven't kept eyes on those sites since the beginning? They're twitchy over any political activist groups, and ones with direct ties to militias tend to stay on their watch list.
 
2014-04-18 10:47:05 PM  

phaseolus: "Earlier this week, CNN reported that, in America, people who follow far-right wing ideologies have been responsible for more killings than Islamic extremists since September 11."

But if Homeland Security releases a report suggesting somebody should keep an eye on right-wing hate groups, conservatives act all persecuted and whine "take that baaaack".


Why artificially start at 9/11? Let's go back one mor day to 9/10? Whoops, screws with the meme,
 
2014-04-18 10:47:53 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who emerge on these threads to deny that vicious white supremacists actually exist and kill people in America is somewhat terrifying, actually.

Brevik killed people in America? I didn't even know he was American.


Oh look, here's another one.
 
2014-04-18 10:59:41 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Considering that the SPLC is basically StormFront of the Left, I wouldn't trust anything they say.

Here sweetie its gonna be okay.....

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-18 11:01:22 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Zombo.com?


That was my first guess too but stormfront was my second guess
 
2014-04-18 11:06:15 PM  
img.fark.net
vos ist los?
 
2014-04-18 11:06:29 PM  
4chan? somethingsensitive?
 
2014-04-18 11:17:37 PM  
Done in two
 
2014-04-18 11:17:49 PM  
UNHbeta19

This is a really stupid observation to make.

This is a site that gets 150,000+ unique visitors per month (https://siteanalytics.compete.com/stormfront.org#.U1HOvMRDuBQ ), has been around since 1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_website ). As the article says there have been 10 murders associated with this site. That is not a huge problem at all. The Norwegian killings accounted for 77 of the 100 murders by themselves. I am sure that Anders Breivik visited other websites, are they responsible for those 77 murders as well? If Mohammed Atta went on-line before 9/11, would those websites be responsible for 3,000 deaths?

Whether you agree with the websites premise or not (and obviously most people will not), it is stupid to tie them to these murders like the Southern Poverty Law Center is doing.



A little food for thought here. Shortly after the Internet opened up to the public, aside from there being very few advertisements, viruses, malware and porn was in limited supply, one website popped up, which, IMO, promptly started a surge of similar sites and started a trend in society that had never been seen before.

It was by the Anarchists Cookbook. With no registration required, anyone could learn how to make all sorts of lethal and dangerous things from common household items.

The most predominate was the pipe bomb. Within a year, the news started reporting mailboxes being blown up with home made pipe bombs, pipe bombs started being used as the revenge weapon of choice and kids were caught making the things.

It taught you how to take battery acid and cook it down to use the much stronger, condensed version to make more explosives. A section was devoted to making anti-personnel traps out of shotgun shells, a metal tube, some springs and cheap clamps.

After a few years, efforts were made to close the site down, but Freedom of Speech and all that, you know. Instead, the site switched to people having to sign in to access the contents -- which as we all know was a real good way to track down budding psychopaths.

I learned how to make gunpowder from there while a new, similar site informed me how to make nitroglycerine.

It also taught the readers how to make sound suppressors for almost any gun. How to make a time delay fuse from a cigarette and a book of matches and CO2 bombs out of plastic soda bottles. There was even a recipe for home made napalm.

A disclaimer popped up on the site warning you that if you made any of the stuff it showed you, you did so at your own risk.

Later, similar sites appeared, informing you where to get hard to find chemicals or what you could substitute for them.

By the time the Lunatic Fringe slithered into the Internet, they had a whole, ready made set of instructions on how to act like terrorists.

So, yeah, one site can make a difference. It kind of starts a chain reaction. It tests the waters and when no authority comes to shut them down, other similar sites go up. By the time home taught 'lawyers' appear, they've memorized enough law to be able to defend themselves and new laws have to be created.

Prior to that site going up, you never read about kids making bombs. Afterwards, kids were caught making pipe bombs, which went from the simple to the sophisticated.

One site even told the reader how to make a detonator for a mail bomb. Another showed how to make a time delay fuse with corn meal.

One thing any seasoned internet user should have realized by now is that the majority of Internet users basically practice the 'monkey see - monkey do' theory. Plus kids will do stuff just because they can.

They might make a pipe bomb and detonate it out in the woods and with success, tell their friends and one of those friends might decide it would be fun to throw some in mail boxes and see what happens.

And now we have cell phones and tablets which disseminate information even faster along with videos.

It's no surprise to me that morons react to things found on the internet and go out and do them.

It's kind of like giving a 5 year old a live hand grenade to play with. Sooner or later, he's going to discover how to pull the pin.

BTW, the recipe for Ampho -- the fertilizer explosive -- can be found on the Internet. It was there when that kid blew up the FBI building. It was there also when the first bombing attack hit the Twin Towers. (A truck full of it was detonated in the basement but the construction of the tower deflected most of it, causing no injury to the people on the floors above.)
 
2014-04-18 11:17:51 PM  

wxboy: Free Republic?


First one that came to mind. Seriously.
 
2014-04-18 11:19:18 PM  

phrawgh: ChristWire.org?


I don't even....is that a satire site? It HAS to be a satire site.
 
2014-04-18 11:19:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: It's Me Bender: Vector R: worldstarhiphop.com?

Seriously, this.

The criteria of the SPLC's report is "Stormfront user".  75% of their 100 killings come from a single user who (as far as I can tell) had only four posts on the site.

Worldstarhiphop has been around for nine years.  During that time, there have been over 140,000 murders just in the United States.  About half of those were committed by the, ah, "attractive and successful" demographic.  What fraction of those murderers do you think have ever visited worldstarhiphop?

Be that as it may, it's hard to deny that Stormfront is a site by, for, and used by disgusting racist xenophobes who are not sorry that their users go out and commit vicious crimes against anyone whose skin is not as white as their livers.


THIS is the point, really.
 
2014-04-18 11:19:40 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The number of people who emerge on these threads to deny that vicious white supremacists actually exist and kill people in America is somewhat terrifying, actually. Are you all sekrit Stormfront posters, or is it just that you cannot handle the fact that white supremacy accounts for far more hate crimes and deaths in America than other types of terrorism?

Either way, the idea shocks me. But then, gross stupidity usually does.


Seems the stupid ad hominem comments are coming from the SPLC supporters.....
 
2014-04-18 11:20:29 PM  

It's Me Bender: Vector R: worldstarhiphop.com?

Seriously, this.

The criteria of the SPLC's report is "Stormfront user".  75% of their 100 killings come from a single user who (as far as I can tell) had only four posts on the site.

Worldstarhiphop has been around for nine years.  During that time, there have been over 140,000 murders just in the United States.  About half of those were committed by the, ah, "attractive and successful" demographic.  What fraction of those murderers do you think have ever visited worldstarhiphop?


Got a citation for that figure?
 
2014-04-18 11:21:34 PM  
I was expecting something with "steam"in it. Surprisingly, fps shooters weren't to blame this time around.
 
2014-04-18 11:25:08 PM  

uber humper: [www.myhyena.com image 850x376]

It's not news, it's murDER!!  With an emphasis on der


Only the POLITICS tab, of course....
 
2014-04-18 11:25:40 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who emerge on these threads to deny that vicious white supremacists actually exist and kill people in America is somewhat terrifying, actually. Are you all sekrit Stormfront posters, or is it just that you cannot handle the fact that white supremacy accounts for far more hate crimes and deaths in America than other types of terrorism?

Either way, the idea shocks me. But then, gross stupidity usually does.

Seems the stupid ad hominem comments are coming from the SPLC supporters.....

An ad hominem  (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person) short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact.


So where exactly is the ad hominem in my remark? I did not reject any of your arguments, I merely asked whether any of you were Stormfront posters, or whether you simply could not handle the idea that there are American terrorists responsible for hate crimes against Americans.

Is it irrelevant of me to presume this about you, or invalidate your credibility in some way?
 
2014-04-18 11:26:55 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who emerge on these threads to deny that vicious white supremacists actually exist and kill people in America is somewhat terrifying, actually. Are you all sekrit Stormfront posters, or is it just that you cannot handle the fact that white supremacy accounts for far more hate crimes and deaths in America than other types of terrorism?

Either way, the idea shocks me. But then, gross stupidity usually does.

Seems the stupid ad hominem comments are coming from the SPLC supporters.....

www.hollyscoop.com

Says the knuckle dragger comparing SLPC to Stormfront.
 
2014-04-18 11:27:53 PM  

Bloody William: you are a puppet: FloridaFarkTag: Considering that the SPLC is basically StormFront of the Left, I wouldn't trust anything they say. Come back when they criticize MSNBC for hiring Al Sharpton

Yeah but you're basically the Hitler of the south.

That made me snortlaugh for some reason.

SPLC is now Stormfront for the left? THat might be the most pathetically desperate BOTH SIDES ARE BAD!!!! (so don't look seriously into the violent actions of users of a militant white supremacist Web site?) I've seen yet.


It seems that the SPLC supporters are quite familiar with StormFront....considering SPLC has been stifling their Black clients for years... would not surprise me the SPLC and StormFront work together. Judging by your and other SPLC supporters...seems like you all share a lot of the same ignorance
 
2014-04-18 11:29:16 PM  

Rik01: Prior to that site going up, you never read about kids making bombs. Afterwards, kids were caught making pipe bombs, which went from the simple to the sophisticated.


My friends were making pipe bombs, nitroglycerine, etc. in the '70s, straight out the Anarchist's Cookbook. Before the Internet, we had these things called magazines and this thing called the U.S. mail. Instead of clicking on Stormfront, you could read "Soldier of Fortune," chock full of all your best hit man classifieds. The big difference was that you had to spend money on it.
 
2014-04-18 11:29:34 PM  

Jarhead_h: Dr Jack Badofsky: GRCooper: How does a murder link to a web site? Do they carve the URL into the victims?

Because the Huffington Post says so, that's why.

And they say so because the Southern Poverty Law Center says so.  The place s Orewellianly named being flush with cash and exists solely to provide supposed intellectual weight to the worldview that white people live to beat down brown people. When Dems run the White House it also becomes an unofficial wing of the FBI.

B asically they're a bunch of whiney libtards that don't realize that 19690's Selma was a LONG-ass time ago.


2.bp.blogspot.com
And yet, somehow, too soon.
 
2014-04-18 11:38:53 PM  

Johnny Texas: I was honestly thinking 4chan, more specifically /b/.


This.
 
2014-04-18 11:39:57 PM  

Gyrfalcon: FloridaFarkTag: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who emerge on these threads to deny that vicious white supremacists actually exist and kill people in America is somewhat terrifying, actually. Are you all sekrit Stormfront posters, or is it just that you cannot handle the fact that white supremacy accounts for far more hate crimes and deaths in America than other types of terrorism?

Either way, the idea shocks me. But then, gross stupidity usually does.

Seems the stupid ad hominem comments are coming from the SPLC supporters.....

An ad hominem  (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person) short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact.

So where exactly is the ad hominem in my remark? I did not reject any of your arguments, I merely asked whether any of you were Stormfront posters, or whether you simply could not handle the idea that there are American terrorists responsible for hate crimes against Americans.

Is it irrelevant of me to presume this about you, or invalidate your credibility in some way?


I pointed some facts about SPLC....and got called Hitler, White Supremicist, and a whole lot of other things...

SPLC, like StormFront, is nothing more than a Hate Group. In fact, the only time I hear of StormFront is from folks who defend leftist Hate Groups like SPLC.

SPLC has slandered and harmed so many with their false claims, only a fool would give them any credibility.
 
2014-04-18 11:40:48 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: It seems that the SPLC supporters are quite familiar with StormFront....considering SPLC has been stifling their Black clients for years... would not surprise me the SPLC and StormFront work together. Judging by your and other SPLC supporters...seems like you all share a lot of the same ignorance


Oooookay, I'm not spending two nights in a row arguing against a possible schizophrenic's boogeyman because he can't face anything in TFA. This is getting way too familiar.
 
2014-04-18 11:43:27 PM  
Ahh.  So many members of FarKKK posting tonight.
 
2014-04-18 11:44:16 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Gyrfalcon: FloridaFarkTag: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who emerge on these threads to deny that vicious white supremacists actually exist and kill people in America is somewhat terrifying, actually. Are you all sekrit Stormfront posters, or is it just that you cannot handle the fact that white supremacy accounts for far more hate crimes and deaths in America than other types of terrorism?

Either way, the idea shocks me. But then, gross stupidity usually does.

Seems the stupid ad hominem comments are coming from the SPLC supporters.....

An ad hominem  (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person) short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact.

So where exactly is the ad hominem in my remark? I did not reject any of your arguments, I merely asked whether any of you were Stormfront posters, or whether you simply could not handle the idea that there are American terrorists responsible for hate crimes against Americans.

Is it irrelevant of me to presume this about you, or invalidate your credibility in some way?

I pointed some facts about SPLC....and got called Hitler, White Supremicist, and a whole lot of other things...

SPLC, like StormFront, is nothing more than a Hate Group. In fact, the only time I hear of StormFront is from folks who defend leftist Hate Groups like SPLC.

SPLC has slandered and harmed so many with their false claims, only a fool would give them any credibility.

So do you use the same screen name over at Stormfront?
 
2014-04-18 11:46:12 PM  

Bloody William: FloridaFarkTag: It seems that the SPLC supporters are quite familiar with StormFront....considering SPLC has been stifling their Black clients for years... would not surprise me the SPLC and StormFront work together. Judging by your and other SPLC supporters...seems like you all share a lot of the same ignorance

Oooookay, I'm not spending two nights in a row arguing against a possible schizophrenic's boogeyman because he can't face anything in TFA. This is getting way too familiar.


Hard to defend the SPLC, huh?
 
2014-04-18 11:48:45 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Bloody William: FloridaFarkTag: It seems that the SPLC supporters are quite familiar with StormFront....considering SPLC has been stifling their Black clients for years... would not surprise me the SPLC and StormFront work together. Judging by your and other SPLC supporters...seems like you all share a lot of the same ignorance

Oooookay, I'm not spending two nights in a row arguing against a possible schizophrenic's boogeyman because he can't face anything in TFA. This is getting way too familiar.

Hard to defend the SPLC, huh?


You still haven't linked any citations about your claim that the director of the SPLC is a pedophile/predator when asked to do so.
 
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