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2014-04-18 03:00:06 PM
i think the strat is a beautiful guitar design, but i don't like playing one. it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.
 
2014-04-18 03:31:14 PM

FlashHarry: and not ballsy enough for rock.



wat.
 
2014-04-18 03:50:21 PM

Blues_X: FlashHarry: and not ballsy enough for rock.


wat.


seriously. if you want to rock - you need a set-neck piece of mahogany (with or without maple cap) and a pair of humbuckers or P90s in it. it's the law.
 
2014-04-18 04:04:14 PM
www.pop-catastrophe.co.uk


Laws are made to be broken.
 
2014-04-18 04:06:11 PM

Blues_X: [www.pop-catastrophe.co.uk image 621x412]


Laws are made to be broken.


strangely, the telecaster does in fact lend itself to rock. (see: joe strummer, keith richards, et al.)
 
2014-04-18 04:15:30 PM
 
2014-04-18 04:17:29 PM

FlashHarry: Blues_X: [www.pop-catastrophe.co.uk image 621x412]


Laws are made to be broken.

strangely, the telecaster does in fact lend itself to rock. (see: joe strummer, keith richards, et al.)



I have an Epiphone hollow-body with PAF Pros. It does alright.
 
2014-04-18 04:22:27 PM

FlashHarry: i think the strat is a beautiful guitar design, but i don't like playing one. it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.


Wrong on both accounts there, chief.
 
2014-04-18 04:24:12 PM
Still not as good as Ru Paul
 
2014-04-18 04:24:57 PM

EJ25T: FlashHarry: i think the strat is a beautiful guitar design, but i don't like playing one. it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.

Wrong on both accounts there, chief.


i've owned several strats and have gotten rid of them all. i currently own and play a couple of gibsons and a telecaster (amongst other guitars). i have also played in several rock and country bands. i'm speaking from experience. albeit my own personal experience.
 
2014-04-18 04:27:56 PM
www.strummerguitar.com

A Punk Rock Warlord's weapon of choice.
 
2014-04-18 04:31:29 PM

Clash City Farker: [www.strummerguitar.com image 410x276]

A Punk Rock Warlord's weapon of choice.


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-18 04:34:15 PM
So the Strat thread is now a Tele thread? Da Fark?

/have an '88 (first year) Strat Plus, with the leftover '84 neck/serial number. Great guitar. But I never play it thanks to the stable of PRS and the new Gibson Chet Atkins Tennessean...still, love that Strat.
 
2014-04-18 04:34:19 PM

Clash City Farker: [www.strummerguitar.com image 410x276]

A Punk Rock Warlord's weapon of choice.


The greatest response in ever.

/lost all my music a while back and havent listened to Joe since.  Off to YouTube.
 
2014-04-18 04:34:57 PM

FlashHarry: Clash City Farker: [www.strummerguitar.com image 410x276]

A Punk Rock Warlord's weapon of choice.

[img.fark.net image 369x492]


I bet he used it because of Buddy Holly.
 
2014-04-18 04:36:38 PM

Blues_X: [www.pop-catastrophe.co.uk image 621x412]


Laws are made to be broken.


I'M TALKIN' ABOUT....ROCK N ROLL!
 
2014-04-18 04:37:56 PM
Dunno -- an inhuman amount of drugs?
 
2014-04-18 04:41:01 PM

FlashHarry: i think the strat is a beautiful guitar design, but i don't like playing one. it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.


Iron Maiden disagree.
 
2014-04-18 04:42:14 PM
Protip: It's the artist, not the tool.
 
2014-04-18 04:43:52 PM
Happy birthday, Kevin Bacon!
 
2014-04-18 04:45:04 PM

Chigroe Please: FlashHarry: i think the strat is a beautiful guitar design, but i don't like playing one. it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.

Iron Maiden disagree.


i love maiden, but both dave murray and adrian smith put humbuckers in their strats:

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-18 04:46:10 PM
Frusciante's new album is growing on me. Still doing his electronic stuff, but this one seems more focused or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNOpM5k809k

you might dig it, or you might think it is deplorable.

Mad respect to that guy as an artist though.
 
2014-04-18 04:55:59 PM

FlashHarry: Blues_X: FlashHarry: and not ballsy enough for rock.


wat.

seriously. if you want to rock - you need a set-neck piece of mahogany (with or without maple cap) and a pair of humbuckers or P90s in it. it's the law.


IS THAT WHY MY GUITAR SUCKS?!

/writes this down
 
2014-04-18 04:56:34 PM
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Scrotastic Method: So the Strat thread is now a Tele thread? Da Fark?


Sure!


'72 Thinline reissue, bought it brand new in 1995. About 6-7 years ago -- the point of the story -- I took out the Seth Lover humbuckers and put in a Seymour Duncan jazz voiced humbucker on the neck and a SD Hot Rails single coil sized humbucker, and had both coil split; six different tones. (to the Strat angle, when both were activated in single-coil configuration, like the Strat center detente), I get a remarkably Stratty "pluck".

anyways, what did Fender begin offering about a year ago? TELECASTERS WITH COIL TAPPED HUMBUCKERS THANKS JERKS
 
2014-04-18 04:57:13 PM
I have a 1979 Strat.  It weighs about as much a 1979 Buick.
 
2014-04-18 04:57:16 PM
If you have a Strat that was made AFTER the CBS buyout, then all you got is a hunk of cheap wood and some strings. May as well have been made by Fisher-Price with a little crank on the side.
 
2014-04-18 05:01:09 PM

TV's Vinnie: If you have a Strat that was made AFTER the CBS buyout, then all you got is a hunk of cheap wood and some strings. May as well have been made by Fisher-Price with a little crank on the side.


Actually, I replaced the original Fisher-Price crank with a hand-lathed aftermarket one.
.
Now that axe screams through "Pop Goes the Weasel" like a meth-addled banshee.
 
2014-04-18 05:01:30 PM

elev8meL8r: I have a 1979 Strat.  It weighs about as much a 1979 Buick.


the 70s were not good years for fender or gibson. i used to have a '77 les paul custom. a farking back-breaker, that thing was.
 
2014-04-18 05:07:11 PM
Wow, I LOVE this image....

l1.yimg.com
 
2014-04-18 05:07:44 PM

FlashHarry: the 70s were not good years for fender or gibson. i used to have a '77 les paul custom. a farking back-breaker, that thing was.


I rmemebr when The Edge auctiond his cream Les Paul (it is all over 'Rattle And Hum', and I think was the main guitar for "Achtung Baby') for Hurricane Katrina relief, people weer like, "hurf hurf hurf, a '79 Les Paul is a piece of shiat, what an idiot!"

the brand new "Vintage Guitar' (Joe Bonamassa cover) has an add for a 1961 I think Les Paul Studio (3 humbuckers).

SIXTY.  ONE.  THOUSAND.

rickythepenguin: put in a Seymour Duncan jazz voiced humbucker on the neck and a SD Hot Rails single coil sized humbucker


the savvy tele enthusiast will note:

(1)  the pickguard isn't all screwed in.  that's warmoth, from whom I had to buy a completely "blank" (unrouted) pickguard, except for the screw holes.  I routed the holes for the pickups myself but noted that the Warmoth pickguard's screw holes didn't match the guitar, so some where never filled.  who cares.  isn't like i'm playing Madison Square Garden anytime soon.

(2)  I pushed the controls back.  Thinlines have the pickup switch way too close to where you strum.  I had to route out some wood to push the volume/tone and the pickup selected further back towards the end of the guitar.  now i can strum away and not accidentally hit the pickup switch.
 
2014-04-18 05:09:17 PM

FlashHarry: it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.


But just right for a Knopfler

Off to listen to the Alchemy version of Sultans......
 
2014-04-18 05:13:45 PM

FlashHarry: Blues_X: FlashHarry: and not ballsy enough for rock.


wat.

seriously. if you want to rock - you need a set-neck piece of mahogany (with or without maple cap) and a pair of humbuckers or P90s in it. it's the law.


Well, if you scroll down a little bit, you'll see what specs David Gilmour has currently outfitted his Black Strat with, and there's no mahogany neck or humbuckers in sight, and I think he sounds just fine.

http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=66
 
2014-04-18 05:17:37 PM
a much more relevant Frusciante song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5GBEDdYEpg

10 minute solo.


/couldn't even get through Enclosure today. Maybe it isn't growing on me. I can't tell if he is trying to hard or not trying hard enough.
 
2014-04-18 05:18:30 PM

rickythepenguin: The Edge auctiond his cream Les Paul (it is all over 'Rattle And Hum', and I think was the main guitar for "Achtung Baby') for Hurricane Katrina relief, people weer like, "hurf hurf hurf, a '79 Les Paul is a piece of shiat, what an idiot!"


'75.

"1975 Cream Gibson Les Paul Custom, or so I'm told by Dallas Schoo* who checked the serial number. I bought this guitar down on 49th street in New York City in 1982..  It was the third guitar I ever bought, after my Explorer and my black Strat. I wanted that Steve Jones "Never mind the Bollocks" sound, so I got the same guitar right down to the colour. I never could get that sound, but I found a bunch of songs in this instrument, and have used it extensively ever since, on tour and in the studio.

There are many of photographs out there of me playing this Les Paul. One I happened to notice is in our recent book "U2 by U2" on page 224. I'm in the control room of the original Windmill Lane studio with Brian Eno, probably adding the final touch to a song from the "Achtung Baby" record, which we mixed there. I will miss this one, not for sentimental reasons but because it's my 'New Years Day" guitar. Dallas is going to have to get me one that sounds as good, I'm sure I never will quite get the same sound, but maybe there might be a few songs in the replacement."

The Edge, 2007

*Dallas Schoo is a renowned guitar tech, who counts Edge, Prince, and I think Gilmour (?) as his clients.  among many others.
 
2014-04-18 05:19:49 PM

TV's Vinnie: If you have a Strat that was made AFTER the CBS buyout, then all you got is a hunk of cheap wood and some strings. May as well have been made by Fisher-Price with a little crank on the side.


I love comments like this.  It keeps the price of them down.

Now, don't get me wrong.  I've played alot of really marginal 70's Strats over the years.  What I have realized is that the ones you typically find for sale are the classic examples of "terrible."  The bodies are too heavy, the necks are unstable, the electronics just don't have the vibe to them.

But the ones that the players have hung onto are just as prime as the ones before CBS.  I keep finding this out as I interact with other players and we talk gear.  Years ago I picked up one of these axes; just a hair over 6 pounds, resonated like a bell, neck was stable and sizable but not too chunky.  It was a world of difference between all the ones I'd picked up and played and laughed at the price tag.  Everyone looks at it the same way; it's kinda ugly but when plugged in it has that perfect tonal blend that era is known for; it gets glassy but not sterile, it can be chunky but not muddy.

There's rarely a year that has gone by since I started playing where a Strat hasn't come and gone through my hands.  Sometimes I get tired of them, sometimes it's about a trade or an upgrade, sometimes it's I just need the money for something else.  But what I can tell you is that they all had a different voice to them.  Plus' from the late 80's, Made in Mexico's, JV and SQ models, early Reissues, the Hot Rodded ones....they're all their own dog.  What I will say is that in the past decade or so I've played some of the best Strats I've ever found new right off the rack.  This is very much a Golden Age of Fender and no one has really realized it yet.
 
2014-04-18 05:20:35 PM

HeadLever: FlashHarry: it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.

But just right for a Knopfler

Off to listen to the Alchemy version of Sultans......


actually, you're spot-on. dire straits - especially the first record, which is brilliant, is a sort of jazz/country/blues/rock hybrid. and the strat is perfect for it.
 
2014-04-18 05:22:42 PM

Mikey1969: Wow, I LOVE this image....

[l1.yimg.com image 850x570]


img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-04-18 05:30:50 PM

FlashHarry: Clash City Farker: [www.strummerguitar.com image 410x276]

A Punk Rock Warlord's weapon of choice.

[img.fark.net image 369x492]


I love you guys for posting Joe....
 
2014-04-18 05:32:18 PM

Mikey1969: Wow, I LOVE this image....

[l1.yimg.com image 850x570]


Seconded.
 
2014-04-18 05:38:39 PM

FlashHarry: i think the strat is a beautiful guitar design, but i don't like playing one. it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.


Yeah, Hendrix, Clapton, Stevie Ray, none of those guys rock.
 
2014-04-18 05:47:42 PM

busy chillin': Frusciante's new album is growing on me. Still doing his electronic stuff, but this one seems more focused or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNOpM5k809k

you might dig it, or you might think it is deplorable.

Mad respect to that guy as an artist though.


oi58.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-18 05:51:52 PM

TV's Vinnie: If you have a Strat that was made AFTER the CBS buyout, then all you got is a hunk of cheap wood and some strings. May as well have been made by Fisher-Price with a little crank on the side.


Some of my favourite guitars have been a "hunk of cheap wood and some strings". What's your point.
 
2014-04-18 05:52:09 PM
LewDux:

oonce oonce oonce oonce oonce
 
2014-04-18 06:00:09 PM
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2014-04-18 06:01:02 PM

unitednihilists: TV's Vinnie: If you have a Strat that was made AFTER the CBS buyout, then all you got is a hunk of cheap wood and some strings. May as well have been made by Fisher-Price with a little crank on the side.

Some of my favourite guitars have been a "hunk of cheap wood and some strings". What's your point.


He's "leet" or something, with the technical knowledge of an anti-vaxxer

/My 70's Strat farking rocks.Hard.
 
2014-04-18 06:03:35 PM

Gunny Highway: Clash City Farker: [www.strummerguitar.com image 410x276]

A Punk Rock Warlord's weapon of choice.

The greatest response in ever.

/lost all my music a while back and havent listened to Joe since.  Off to YouTube.


Sorry about your music, I lost a shiat ton myself in a fire 30+ yrs ago - takes a while to get over. Have long since replaced what needed to be.

/don't play
//different strokes (or guitars) for different folks
 
2014-04-18 06:07:18 PM

HeadLever: FlashHarry: it's not twangy enough for country and not ballsy enough for rock.

But just right for a Knopfler

Off to listen to the Alchemy version of Sultans......

Heh. I had exactly the same thought and went over to Youtube to link to Alchemy's "Sultans" solo and outro, along with some snarky comment about it not being "rock" enough.

But the more I listened, the more I had to concede that it is a "twangy" and somewhat "un-rock like" solo, at least if your definition of "rock" is something more like "Running With the Devil."

Then I spent 15 more minutes watching old Dire Straits videos before I went back to work.
 
2014-04-18 06:17:03 PM
My epi dot studio sounds as good as any vintage strat, assuming I'm the one playing both.

Stupid tone-deaf fingers.
 
2014-04-18 06:32:41 PM

Coco LaFemme: Well, if you scroll down a little bit, you'll see what specs David Gilmour has currently outfitted his Black Strat with, and there's no mahogany neck or humbuckers in sight, and I think he sounds just fine.


I always wondered why the classic film clips I've seen of PF recording Dark Side show Gilmour playing a buncha solos on an SG.
 
2014-04-18 06:39:05 PM
Strats are great. No question. Tech wanking gets old very fast, though. Some people buy more great guitars than they would ever need or reasonably use just to have them. It's sad. And esoteric. Most collectors buy them up looking for the perfect tone that will make up for their deficiencies.

If you can't get a guitar to convey your message, it's your fault. A craftsman never blames his tools.

And I'm a better songwriter than everyone in this thread combined times infinity.

didir?
 
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