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2014-04-18 03:40:19 PM  
2 votes:

DubtodaIll: Now I want to know what Ibogaine and Ayahuasca are all about.


Ibogaine is a hallucinogen that throws you into what has pretty much universally been described as the most terrifying trip of your life.  Why would people not only want to do that, but want it legal?

Because it cures damn near any addiction, and is particularly effective at getting people off of heroin with no relapse.


Ayahuasca is loaded with DMT and is the new hippy-trip.
2014-04-18 03:36:46 PM  
2 votes:
It's sad that less people (9%) favor MDMA as opposed to Cocaine (11%). From a strictly therapeutic point of view, ecstasy has a lot of value and in fact in was used in clinical practice before the DEA got a bug up it's butt and got Congress to ban it. It's worthwhile to go back and read the testimony from those Congressional hearings.
2014-04-19 01:58:01 PM  
1 vote:

ikanreed: LoneWolf343: ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?

You know what else kills people? Legal drugs. You can kill yourself with OTC painkillers if you want.

Yeah, you can by intentionally attempting to do so.  Overdose quantities are a huge compared to treatment doses.  You know full well that hundreds of people die from unintentional cocaine overdoses, and any substance that has that risk is required to be by prescription in the US.


www.topclassactions.com

Acetaminophen overdose sends as many as 78,000 Americans to the emergency room annually and results in 33,000 hospitalizations a year, federal data shows. Acetaminophen is also the nation's leading cause of acute liver failure, according to data from an ongoing study funded by the National Institutes for Health.

Does not take that much either, especially since it its hidden in couch medicines and cold syrups, etc.

"The key issue with acetaminophen is really what they call the narrow margin of error. It's the narrowest margin of error between the dose that can (help) you and the dose that can harm," writes T.Christian Miller at ProPublica.
2014-04-18 07:22:22 PM  
1 vote:
All drugs should be legal with varying degrees of restrictions.  They should be packaged with information on things like dosage, safety, what to do for overdose, etc.  Restrictions would be based on the actual properties of each individual drug, as detemined by scientists, not bureaucrats or politicians.  They would be designed to limit the bad aspects of the drug and make its use as safe as possible, without completely denying access (which would only lead to the black market, contamination, and ultimately more harm).
2014-04-18 05:19:41 PM  
1 vote:

germ78: I'd really like to try Ibogaine, not because it can help heroin addiction problems, but is effective in treating most types of addiction.

/addictive personality type
//avoid hard-hard drugs because of it
///even pot can give me a lot of trouble


Right now the only places that are conducting Ibogaine treatments are underground entities, mostly in South America.  MAPS is observing these treatments but not participating in them, but the overall success rate is extremely good.
2014-04-18 05:14:50 PM  
1 vote:

rich_mitch: thisisyourbrainonFark: Psychedelic mushrooms should be legal, as should LSD.

Word.  Did some legal-ish shrooms in Amsterdam and it was a very civilized experience.  Had a great time and nobody got hurt.  Way better than the dried cow shaite you get stateside.


different types of mushrooms. Sounds like you were eating the kind they get in Jamaica. While fun not as potent on the psychedelic front as the ones you generally see in the states.

The ones in Jamaica were thin stems with small caps. Nothing like the giant stemmed white blue kind with the big brown caps you generally see here.
2014-04-18 05:12:17 PM  
1 vote:

Ready-set: It should all be legal. I still cringe when people say 'alcohol and drugs', as if booze doesn't count.

Pffft. 'Land of Free' my adorable lil' arse.


As a self-professed addict this may sound strange, but I wholeheartedly agree. I firmly believe that addiction is a medical, not criminal, issue that should be handled by medical professionals.

Portugal got it right, deal with the criminality surrounding the abuse of drugs (crime to support the habit) not considering the use in and of itself criminal. Truth be told, the criminal behaviors associated with drug abuse would likely disappear following legalization/decriminalization and removing the negative stigma associated with addiction would go a long way towards getting (and keeping) more addicts clean.
2014-04-18 05:00:47 PM  
1 vote:
It should all be legal. I still cringe when people say 'alcohol and drugs', as if booze doesn't count.

Pffft. 'Land of Free' my adorable lil' arse.
2014-04-18 04:54:28 PM  
1 vote:

Diacetylmorphine: CJHardin: Hi, I'm a vet that completed a clinical trial using MDMA to treat PTSD.  I'll be on CNN with Sanjay Gupta in a month.

http://burners.me/2013/11/27/miss-molly-goes-to-war/

First of all, you rock dude! Second, I tried asking this question on that reddit thread and I emailed the people running that S.C. trial to no avail... maybe either you or fome nice farker could answer.

The question is: Ok, I'm a service connected PTSD afflicted vet that has (unfortunately) used MASSIVE amounts of illegal drugs (mostly opiate based ie heroin, but also methamphetamine) to try to cope. Opiates work well for me, but obviously due to the illegal and health impacts, it is not sustainable. Anyone care to chime in on if MDMA use for persons that are addicts is a viable treatment option? Does built up tolerance to opiates and/or methamphetamines reduce the efficacy of MDMA in this form of treatment? Btw, I'm six months clean and sober from all drugs/alcohol if that matters.

Thanks for your service bud and I truly hope you overcome this bullshiat and live a long and happy life.


Thanks for your service as well!  As far as PTSD, I have overcome it.  I was diagnosed as 76 percent symptomatic for profound chronic treatment resistant PTSD and after the treatments I was diagnosed to be 3 percent symptomatic.

To answer your question regarding other drug use, the MAPS study I was in required me to be absolutely clean of any drug and I would have been dropped if I have tested positive for anything or was found to have an alcohol problem that interfered with the study.  It was to ensure that the study was within protocol and results were known to only be from the MDMA, no other mind altering chemicals.  As far as the way MDMA works, I can't say for certain whether or not opiate use would affect the treatment, but the mechanism that MDMA uses is to dump all of your Serotonin at once.  Using opiates would decrease said Serotonin so you wouldn't get the same therapeutic benefit from the MDMA that is needed to make the transition from PTSD to normal.  I smoked a lot of cannabis (1/8th a day at least) prior to the study but had to stop before the treatments started, luckily that was rather easy.

Once it gets dropped to a schedule II then I'm sure that it can be administered regardless of your current meds, just for the purposes of the study I couldn't alter the results with an outside agent.  Interestingly, MAPS is now studying Ibogaine to treat heroin and opiate addiction in only one treatment.  That could be used concurrently with MDMA treatment.

Glad to hear you cleaned up.  The study is still accepting candidates, you should inquire.

http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/mdma_ptsd_u.s._study_veterans_of_w ar /
2014-04-18 04:34:28 PM  
1 vote:

Diacetylmorphine: ryant123: On some measures, MDMA is less harmful than marijuana.

Reddit had a thread recently that featured a US Veteran that was doing a clinical trial on MDMA use for PTSD treatment.

Fascinating stuff


Hi, I'm a vet that completed a clinical trial using MDMA to treat PTSD.  I'll be on CNN with Sanjay Gupta in a month.

http://burners.me/2013/11/27/miss-molly-goes-to-war/
2014-04-18 04:08:18 PM  
1 vote:

ikanreed: AeAe: ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?

Do you know what else kills people?  Legal prescription drugs.  Did you know you can OD on aspirin?

Okay, do you want me to convert that maybe to a definitely?  All it has to do is treat a specific condition, then definitely with a doctor's prescription.  This isn't hard.


I just wanted to make the discussion point - because people have made that "illegal" drugs kill argument - that there are many many highly addictive legal prescription drugs that can and do kill people.

So it's not a good argument to say "these" group of drugs should be illegal because they can kill, but "these" other group drugs are legal but they can kill people too.
2014-04-18 04:03:44 PM  
1 vote:

Diacetylmorphine: moeburn:

(any evidence is good evidence)

True, I was speaking regarding actual people I know that have gone to Mexico to try that detox option. Maybe 6-7 individuals? Each one said the process was horrific and they all relapsed within a month.


The process is supposed to be horrific.  One of the common themes is that it forces you to relive any horrible memory that may have influenced your decision to try opiates.  This can be good, to help you understand how you got there, or it can be a farking nightmare.  But the major claim about ibogaine isn't that it cures the  addiction,it cures the  withdrawal.  Ibogaine's efficacy should not be mentioned when you're talking about whether or not someone relapsed a month later.  The question is did the ibogaine make that month a lot less painful than it would have been without it?
2014-04-18 04:00:39 PM  
1 vote:

SquiggsIN: kindms: SquiggsIN: kindms: All drugs should be legal. We have plenty of laws in the US to deal with unwanted behavior if people step out of line

our elected leaders would disagree.  they live to pass laws that we don't need because only one person was dumb enough to do what they are passing a law against.

Oh I realize this. I am very much in the minority when it comes to my feelings on people putting substances in their bodies. I think people should be able ingest whatever they want. As soon as you step out of line tho you get the hammer dropped on you. I am totally fine with that and no excuses like I was drunk or whatever. You do something while under the influence you are going down but just being under the influence should not be enough to be arrested if you are just chilling or minding your own business etc

As much as the inner libertarian in me (small l people not big L) wants to agree with that, there are just some substances that the effective/lethal dose ratio screams 'STAY BANNED FOREVER' to me.  In addition, some substances have such negative possible side effectss that, as a society, i'm not sure it's worth the 'free choice' factor for individuals to subject the rest of the population to the possible horrors.

I'm all for the legalization of cannabis and I'm not even sure I could support continued cocaine prohibition but, for me meth of any type is the equivalent of deliberately drinking drano.


I dont need or want speedy things. I don't like the feeling but I am not about to stop someone else of they want it. If someone wants to do speed and clean their house or play music or whatever by all means. They are doing it now. I would prefer the labs not be in peoples back yards and that these folks aren't dumping chemicals all over so I guess it depends on where you see the problem.

If people want to do meth and get fugly by all means just like people can stuff their face with cheese burgers and do the same.

I guess Steroids would be a similar thing. If people want to take drugs and make themselves huge and caveman like why should I care ?
2014-04-18 03:55:32 PM  
1 vote:
Psychedelic mushrooms should be legal, as should LSD.
2014-04-18 03:53:12 PM  
1 vote:
Pot needs to be marketed more like beer and the rest need to be marketed like a Cialis commercial.

If they fund research to prove they help erectile dsyfunction, wieght loss or depression they will be legal.
2014-04-18 03:48:49 PM  
1 vote:

SquiggsIN: radarlove: DubtodaIll: Now I want to know what Ibogaine and Ayahuasca are all about.

Ibogaine is a hallucinogen that throws you into what has pretty much universally been described as the most terrifying trip of your life.  Why would people not only want to do that, but want it legal?

Because it cures damn near any addiction, and is particularly effective at getting people off of heroin with no relapse.


Ayahuasca is loaded with DMT and is the new hippy-trip.

I didn't enjoy AMT or DMT or LSD.  I'll stick with my cannabis as I have no desire to experiment further.

/obviously i'm lying because this gateway reefers makes me want to rape white wimmen and dance jazz and shoot people


I've only done LSD four times over the past ten years and have immensely enjoyed it every time. DMT seems like it would be interesting isn't that the chemical your brain produces that makes you dream?
2014-04-18 03:48:37 PM  
1 vote:

Uzzah: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 662x442]

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?


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2014-04-18 03:48:18 PM  
1 vote:

Diacetylmorphine: DubtodaIll: Now I want to know what Ibogaine and Ayahuasca are all about.

Only use I've heard for Ibogaine outside of tribal religious use is kicking heroin. A small subset of the treatment community swear by it, but the first person anecdotal evidence I have heard is that it really doesn't work that well.


There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that says that ibogaine cured heroin withdrawal completely, there is some that says it delayed it by about a week, there is some that says it significantly reduced it, and there's some that says it didn't do a damn thing.

There is absolutely no anecdotal evidence that says table salt cures heroin withdrawal.

(any evidence is good evidence)
2014-04-18 03:36:27 PM  
1 vote:

Dragonflew: Random Anonymous Blackmail: If you want to be moving faster than a 5 Year old on Pixie Sticks for about 8 hours... Coke is your thing.

Eight hours? Did someone play joke and put LSD in your coke?


Sounds more like meth to me
2014-04-18 03:34:06 PM  
1 vote:
All drugs should be legal. We have plenty of laws in the US to deal with unwanted behavior if people step out of line
2014-04-18 03:31:45 PM  
1 vote:
mama2tnt

URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.


I thought it died out in the '80s after crack and meth made their appearances.

/Funny to think how benign cocaine is in comparison, isn't it?


If you want to be moving faster than a 5 Year old on Pixie Sticks for about 8 hours... Coke is your thing. If 14-20 hours is good with you, go for meth.
2014-04-18 03:29:56 PM  
1 vote:

ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?


Do you know what else kills people?  Legal prescription drugs.  Did you know you can OD on aspirin?
2014-04-18 03:25:58 PM  
1 vote:
3.bp.blogspot.com

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
2014-04-18 03:25:10 PM  
1 vote:
He ended up wanting a new drug though.
 
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