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2014-04-18 02:30:32 PM  
yeah, i always wanted to know what the fark they were on.
 
2014-04-18 03:25:10 PM  
He ended up wanting a new drug though.
 
2014-04-18 03:25:36 PM  
I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.
 
2014-04-18 03:25:58 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
 
2014-04-18 03:26:23 PM  
Coke is already legal w/ a prescription, what do you think they make eye drop pain killers out of
 
2014-04-18 03:26:30 PM  
Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?
 
2014-04-18 03:27:27 PM  

URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.


I thought it died out in the '80s after crack and meth made their appearances.

/Funny to think how benign cocaine is in comparison, isn't it?
 
2014-04-18 03:29:01 PM  
I want a new duck.
 
2014-04-18 03:29:56 PM  

ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?


Do you know what else kills people?  Legal prescription drugs.  Did you know you can OD on aspirin?
 
2014-04-18 03:30:27 PM  
I wonder how long until this turns into a bath salts thread...
 
2014-04-18 03:30:39 PM  
One word: Krokodil!

It's great for weight loss, so there, we have a medical excuse for legalizing it. People will literally be shedding the pounds!
 
2014-04-18 03:31:26 PM  

URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.


Tried it a couple of times. It's OK if it's free, but I get a better high from weed which is a tenth of the price.  Now, a little bit sprinkled into a joint is magic.
 
2014-04-18 03:31:45 PM  
mama2tnt

URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.


I thought it died out in the '80s after crack and meth made their appearances.

/Funny to think how benign cocaine is in comparison, isn't it?


If you want to be moving faster than a 5 Year old on Pixie Sticks for about 8 hours... Coke is your thing. If 14-20 hours is good with you, go for meth.
 
2014-04-18 03:32:41 PM  
I just can't imagine snorting something up my nose on purpose.  It would be too sneezy.
 
2014-04-18 03:33:05 PM  

URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.


It feels good for a half hour and costs way too much, there are better drugs for your buck. Not to mention that the good majority of blow in the US is cut with a cattle heart deworming drug.
 
2014-04-18 03:33:45 PM  

URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.


What keeps you from trying it?   Availability,  legality,  fear of addiction?
 
2014-04-18 03:34:06 PM  
All drugs should be legal. We have plenty of laws in the US to deal with unwanted behavior if people step out of line
 
2014-04-18 03:34:09 PM  
I get high on life. And occasionally ecstasy
 
2014-04-18 03:35:00 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: If you want to be moving faster than a 5 Year old on Pixie Sticks for about 8 hours... Coke is your thing.


Eight hours? Did someone play joke and put LSD in your coke?
 
2014-04-18 03:35:18 PM  
Now I want to know what Ibogaine and Ayahuasca are all about.
 
2014-04-18 03:36:27 PM  

Dragonflew: Random Anonymous Blackmail: If you want to be moving faster than a 5 Year old on Pixie Sticks for about 8 hours... Coke is your thing.

Eight hours? Did someone play joke and put LSD in your coke?


Sounds more like meth to me
 
2014-04-18 03:36:46 PM  
It's sad that less people (9%) favor MDMA as opposed to Cocaine (11%). From a strictly therapeutic point of view, ecstasy has a lot of value and in fact in was used in clinical practice before the DEA got a bug up it's butt and got Congress to ban it. It's worthwhile to go back and read the testimony from those Congressional hearings.
 
2014-04-18 03:36:56 PM  
Jenkum....You are all fools......THAT is the SHIAT!!!

thumbs.newschoolers.com

CHEAP!!!
 
2014-04-18 03:38:54 PM  
Cocaine isn't "illegal" (schedule 1); it's schedule 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#Schedule_II_d ru gs
 
2014-04-18 03:39:47 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.

What keeps you from trying it?   Availability,  legality,  fear of addiction?


The Uncle Sam random piss test.

And from the looks of things, it's expensive.

Now, if there's an equal, yet untraceable alternative, I'm all ears!!
Legal? Yeah, I guess. That kind of takes all the fun out it though.
 
2014-04-18 03:40:19 PM  

DubtodaIll: Now I want to know what Ibogaine and Ayahuasca are all about.


Ibogaine is a hallucinogen that throws you into what has pretty much universally been described as the most terrifying trip of your life.  Why would people not only want to do that, but want it legal?

Because it cures damn near any addiction, and is particularly effective at getting people off of heroin with no relapse.


Ayahuasca is loaded with DMT and is the new hippy-trip.
 
2014-04-18 03:40:21 PM  
Dragonflew


Random Anonymous Blackmail: If you want to be moving faster than a 5 Year old on Pixie Sticks for about 8 hours... Coke is your thing.


Eight hours? Did someone play joke and put LSD in your coke?


It is possible, Only did coke once... I was more into crank and crystal.
 
2014-04-18 03:41:07 PM  
Relevent user name of course, but most people don't seem to know that physically, heroin is about the most benign drug there is. Other than constipation, there are really no physical/health costs. One can argue that the addiction potential is a health cost, but compared to legals like alcohol/tobacco, heroin is in no way the monster people assume it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Adverse_effects
 
2014-04-18 03:41:10 PM  

jshine: Cocaine isn't "illegal" (schedule 1); it's schedule 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#Schedule_II_d ru gs


I thought someone mentioned to me that liquid cocaine was used for eye operations as anesthesia ..
 
2014-04-18 03:41:41 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.

What keeps you from trying it?   Availability,  legality,  fear of addiction?


That, cost and physical damage are what kept me away from it.

/tried it once when 22, meh
//irony meets dumbass and spawn a smoker.
 
2014-04-18 03:43:43 PM  

ChipNASA: Jenkum....You are all fools......THAT is the SHIAT!!!

[thumbs.newschoolers.com image 400x492]

CHEAP!!!


I had to look that up.  Gross.
 
2014-04-18 03:43:50 PM  

DubtodaIll: Now I want to know what Ibogaine and Ayahuasca are all about.


Only use I've heard for Ibogaine outside of tribal religious use is kicking heroin. A small subset of the treatment community swear by it, but the first person anecdotal evidence I have heard is that it really doesn't work that well.
 
2014-04-18 03:45:54 PM  
I would love to try cocaine.

Tried it a couple of times. It's OK if it's free, but I get a better high from weed which is a tenth of the price.  Now, a little bit sprinkled into a joint is magic.

nubian, you talkin' 'bout Sherm
 
2014-04-18 03:46:03 PM  
How about whatever the Tubes were referring to at the end of their debut album?
 
2014-04-18 03:48:18 PM  

Diacetylmorphine: DubtodaIll: Now I want to know what Ibogaine and Ayahuasca are all about.

Only use I've heard for Ibogaine outside of tribal religious use is kicking heroin. A small subset of the treatment community swear by it, but the first person anecdotal evidence I have heard is that it really doesn't work that well.


There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that says that ibogaine cured heroin withdrawal completely, there is some that says it delayed it by about a week, there is some that says it significantly reduced it, and there's some that says it didn't do a damn thing.

There is absolutely no anecdotal evidence that says table salt cures heroin withdrawal.

(any evidence is good evidence)
 
2014-04-18 03:48:37 PM  

Uzzah: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 662x442]

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?


images.amcnetworks.com
Do you like American Psycho?
 
2014-04-18 03:48:49 PM  

SquiggsIN: radarlove: DubtodaIll: Now I want to know what Ibogaine and Ayahuasca are all about.

Ibogaine is a hallucinogen that throws you into what has pretty much universally been described as the most terrifying trip of your life.  Why would people not only want to do that, but want it legal?

Because it cures damn near any addiction, and is particularly effective at getting people off of heroin with no relapse.


Ayahuasca is loaded with DMT and is the new hippy-trip.

I didn't enjoy AMT or DMT or LSD.  I'll stick with my cannabis as I have no desire to experiment further.

/obviously i'm lying because this gateway reefers makes me want to rape white wimmen and dance jazz and shoot people


I've only done LSD four times over the past ten years and have immensely enjoyed it every time. DMT seems like it would be interesting isn't that the chemical your brain produces that makes you dream?
 
2014-04-18 03:50:19 PM  

SquiggsIN: kindms: All drugs should be legal. We have plenty of laws in the US to deal with unwanted behavior if people step out of line

our elected leaders would disagree.  they live to pass laws that we don't need because only one person was dumb enough to do what they are passing a law against.


Oh I realize this. I am very much in the minority when it comes to my feelings on people putting substances in their bodies. I think people should be able ingest whatever they want. As soon as you step out of line tho you get the hammer dropped on you. I am totally fine with that and no excuses like I was drunk or whatever. You do something while under the influence you are going down but just being under the influence should not be enough to be arrested if you are just chilling or minding your own business etc
 
2014-04-18 03:50:52 PM  
Headline Of The Week material, subby-Ray Parker Jr. agrees
 
2014-04-18 03:51:53 PM  

worlddan: It's sad that less people (9%) favor MDMA as opposed to Cocaine (11%). From a strictly therapeutic point of view, ecstasy has a lot of value and in fact in was used in clinical practice before the DEA got a bug up it's butt and got Congress to ban it. It's worthwhile to go back and read the testimony from those Congressional hearings.


On some measures, MDMA is less harmful than marijuana.
 
2014-04-18 03:52:10 PM  
I've done cocaine.  It's strange - didn't do a damn thing to me the first time, or the 2nd time, but each time I tried it, it started to work better and better, until I thought it was the best damn stuff in the world.  And it was all from the exact same pile of stuff, I wasn't getting gradually purer stuff or anything.  But what's strange is that I could do it for 2 weeks, and then stop, and the worst I'd get is a day of feeling like I didn't get enough sleep.  I did 2 weeks on, 1 week off for like 3 months, and when I stopped, I didn't feel any withdrawal whatsoever.

And I have an extremely addictive personality.  I've finally gotten over an 8 year opiod addiction (yeah probably wasn't a good idea to try coke).  I lose my shiat when I run out of weed, getting completely pissed off and miserable at everyone, total anhedonia, but when I decided to stop coke, it was like "man that stuff was nice.  I sure will miss it.  So what's on TV?"
 
2014-04-18 03:53:04 PM  
Really? More people are in favor of legalizing crack, heroin, and meth than LSD?

/Also, since when is LSD a "hard street drug"?
 
2014-04-18 03:53:12 PM  
Pot needs to be marketed more like beer and the rest need to be marketed like a Cialis commercial.

If they fund research to prove they help erectile dsyfunction, wieght loss or depression they will be legal.
 
2014-04-18 03:53:39 PM  

URAPNIS: AugieDoggyDaddy: URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.

What keeps you from trying it?   Availability,  legality,  fear of addiction?

The Uncle Sam random piss test.

And from the looks of things, it's expensive.

Now, if there's an equal, yet untraceable alternative, I'm all ears!!
Legal? Yeah, I guess. That kind of takes all the fun out it though.


if you have to pee coke is one of the safer drugs to do FWIW. It only stays in your system for about 48 hours. Not saying the drug itself is safe but as for being detectable it does leave the body pretty quickly. Which is why all the more telling when athletes get popped in tests. It means they were pretty unlucky or they are using it all the time.
 
2014-04-18 03:54:57 PM  

AeAe: ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?

Do you know what else kills people?  Legal prescription drugs.  Did you know you can OD on aspirin?


Okay, do you want me to convert that maybe to a definitely?  All it has to do is treat a specific condition, then definitely with a doctor's prescription.  This isn't hard.
 
2014-04-18 03:55:31 PM  
Americans are a bunch of pussies who want to screw around with a bunch of old lady meds. Real men already have the strongest and most dangerous drug of all ready to hand.

www.drunkard.com
 
2014-04-18 03:55:32 PM  
Psychedelic mushrooms should be legal, as should LSD.
 
2014-04-18 03:56:18 PM  
Can we legalize Jeffrey?

It's mostly weed, with a bit of opium as well... ground-up E's... heroin... Clorox.

The best part about a Jeffrey is that it goes away and comes back again, twice as hard.
 
2014-04-18 03:56:29 PM  
Great.  And now I'm left nervous, wondering what to do.
 
2014-04-18 03:57:00 PM  

kindms: URAPNIS: AugieDoggyDaddy: URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.

What keeps you from trying it?   Availability,  legality,  fear of addiction?

The Uncle Sam random piss test.

And from the looks of things, it's expensive.

Now, if there's an equal, yet untraceable alternative, I'm all ears!!
Legal? Yeah, I guess. That kind of takes all the fun out it though.

if you have to pee coke is one of the safer drugs to do FWIW. It only stays in your system for about 48 hours. Not saying the drug itself is safe but as for being detectable it does leave the body pretty quickly. Which is why all the more telling when athletes get popped in tests. It means they were pretty unlucky or they are using it all the time.


I thought they got popped for pot... which stays in your system quite a bit longer.
 
2014-04-18 03:58:40 PM  
moeburn:

(any evidence is good evidence)

True, I was speaking regarding actual people I know that have gone to Mexico to try that detox option. Maybe 6-7 individuals? Each one said the process was horrific and they all relapsed within a month.
 
2014-04-18 03:59:57 PM  

Buckaroo Beeblebrox: I want a new duck.


Sure, but only one that will teach me how to get down.
 
2014-04-18 04:00:39 PM  

SquiggsIN: kindms: SquiggsIN: kindms: All drugs should be legal. We have plenty of laws in the US to deal with unwanted behavior if people step out of line

our elected leaders would disagree.  they live to pass laws that we don't need because only one person was dumb enough to do what they are passing a law against.

Oh I realize this. I am very much in the minority when it comes to my feelings on people putting substances in their bodies. I think people should be able ingest whatever they want. As soon as you step out of line tho you get the hammer dropped on you. I am totally fine with that and no excuses like I was drunk or whatever. You do something while under the influence you are going down but just being under the influence should not be enough to be arrested if you are just chilling or minding your own business etc

As much as the inner libertarian in me (small l people not big L) wants to agree with that, there are just some substances that the effective/lethal dose ratio screams 'STAY BANNED FOREVER' to me.  In addition, some substances have such negative possible side effectss that, as a society, i'm not sure it's worth the 'free choice' factor for individuals to subject the rest of the population to the possible horrors.

I'm all for the legalization of cannabis and I'm not even sure I could support continued cocaine prohibition but, for me meth of any type is the equivalent of deliberately drinking drano.


I dont need or want speedy things. I don't like the feeling but I am not about to stop someone else of they want it. If someone wants to do speed and clean their house or play music or whatever by all means. They are doing it now. I would prefer the labs not be in peoples back yards and that these folks aren't dumping chemicals all over so I guess it depends on where you see the problem.

If people want to do meth and get fugly by all means just like people can stuff their face with cheese burgers and do the same.

I guess Steroids would be a similar thing. If people want to take drugs and make themselves huge and caveman like why should I care ?
 
2014-04-18 04:01:47 PM  

ryant123: On some measures, MDMA is less harmful than marijuana.


Reddit had a thread recently that featured a US Veteran that was doing a clinical trial on MDMA use for PTSD treatment.

Fascinating stuff
 
2014-04-18 04:03:44 PM  

Diacetylmorphine: moeburn:

(any evidence is good evidence)

True, I was speaking regarding actual people I know that have gone to Mexico to try that detox option. Maybe 6-7 individuals? Each one said the process was horrific and they all relapsed within a month.


The process is supposed to be horrific.  One of the common themes is that it forces you to relive any horrible memory that may have influenced your decision to try opiates.  This can be good, to help you understand how you got there, or it can be a farking nightmare.  But the major claim about ibogaine isn't that it cures the  addiction,it cures the  withdrawal.  Ibogaine's efficacy should not be mentioned when you're talking about whether or not someone relapsed a month later.  The question is did the ibogaine make that month a lot less painful than it would have been without it?
 
2014-04-18 04:07:31 PM  

URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.


Bottled anxiety, paranoia and acting out half conceived notions for $80.00
 
2014-04-18 04:08:18 PM  

ikanreed: AeAe: ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?

Do you know what else kills people?  Legal prescription drugs.  Did you know you can OD on aspirin?

Okay, do you want me to convert that maybe to a definitely?  All it has to do is treat a specific condition, then definitely with a doctor's prescription.  This isn't hard.


I just wanted to make the discussion point - because people have made that "illegal" drugs kill argument - that there are many many highly addictive legal prescription drugs that can and do kill people.

So it's not a good argument to say "these" group of drugs should be illegal because they can kill, but "these" other group drugs are legal but they can kill people too.
 
2014-04-18 04:10:59 PM  

Kanemano: URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.

Bottled anxiety, paranoia and acting out half conceived notions for $80.00


That's what a TotalFark membership is going for these days?!?!
 
2014-04-18 04:13:57 PM  

moeburn: Diacetylmorphine: moeburn:

But the major claim about ibogaine isn't that it cures the  addiction,it cures the  withdrawal.


Dunno, as far as heroin withdrawal, addiction, relapse etc goes I can only speak from my personal experience with it.

At my WORST I was doing 2-3 grams (ballpark $300-$400) a day. Quit cold turkey (as I have done every time I stop) and withdrawls was like a moderate case of the flu for about a week. My crippling PTSD and depression have always been my downfall when it comes to relapse.

I tend to see heroin addicts as whiny crybabies regarding withdrawal (using the discomfort as a reason to begin using again) as my personal experience really wasn't that severe, especially considering the massive amounts I was imbibing at the time.
 
2014-04-18 04:16:46 PM  
Richard Pryor pretty much nailed cocaine:

Q: What does cocaine make you feel like?
Pryor: It makes you feel like doing more cocaine.
 
2014-04-18 04:18:52 PM  

AeAe: ikanreed: AeAe: ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?

Do you know what else kills people?  Legal prescription drugs.  Did you know you can OD on aspirin?

Okay, do you want me to convert that maybe to a definitely?  All it has to do is treat a specific condition, then definitely with a doctor's prescription.  This isn't hard.

I just wanted to make the discussion point - because people have made that "illegal" drugs kill argument - that there are many many highly addictive legal prescription drugs that can and do kill people.

So it's not a good argument to say "these" group of drugs should be illegal because they can kill, but "these" other group drugs are legal but they can kill people too.


Your argument is complete garbage.  Cocaine isn't an illegal drug, a Walgreens in your city probably has some sitting in a safe next to the Oxy pills

The classification of Pot and MDMA as illegal is stupid (thanks DEA).

The illegal tag should be reserved for drugs w/ serious (potentially lethal) side effects, high physical and/or mental addiction and no medical value.  Obsolete opium products and garbage like Krodile are prime example of stuff that should stay banned
 
2014-04-18 04:21:36 PM  

AeAe: jshine: Cocaine isn't "illegal" (schedule 1); it's schedule 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#Schedule_II_d ru gs

I thought someone mentioned to me that liquid cocaine was used for eye operations as anesthesia ..


It is. It's also used as "TAC" powder. Tetracaine, adrenaline and cocaine. If you ever gotten stitches in an ER there's a good chance TAC was used if you were a bleeder.
 
2014-04-18 04:23:09 PM  
KidneyStone: ChipNASA: Jenkum....You are all fools......THAT is the SHIAT!!!

[thumbs.newschoolers.com image 400x492]

CHEAP!!!

I had to look that up.  Gross.


Lol, I wanna see that become the new 'in' drug in hip hop. Just imagine the videos of rappers in the club waving bottles of that around and pouring it on strippers.
There was a guy (I forget where) who got his entire complex condemned after they found dozens of bottles of Jenkem around his apartment. Leaking down into the downstairs apartment, all that fun stuff. Oddly enough he was arrested, but I forget if it was for the Jenkem, which I think would be impossible to make illegal.
 
2014-04-18 04:25:44 PM  

SquiggsIN: AtariGod: Richard Pryor pretty much nailed cocaine:

Q: What does cocaine make you feel like?
Pryor: It makes you feel like doing more cocaine.

Which is precisely why i've never tried it.  I might like it until I'm dead.


I primarily identify as a heroin/opiate addict, but jeezus, with crack/coke I'm like the farking Cookie Monster... all "nom-nom-nom" in a frenzy until it is all gone. I (for the most part) was able to at least save a bit of heroin to cure any dope sickness that arose, but give me some coke and that shiat is gone in 20 seconds.

While I sometimes fantasize about chasing the heroin dragon again (6 months clean FTW!) I would NEVER even CONSIDER using cocaine again.
 
2014-04-18 04:34:28 PM  

Diacetylmorphine: ryant123: On some measures, MDMA is less harmful than marijuana.

Reddit had a thread recently that featured a US Veteran that was doing a clinical trial on MDMA use for PTSD treatment.

Fascinating stuff


Hi, I'm a vet that completed a clinical trial using MDMA to treat PTSD.  I'll be on CNN with Sanjay Gupta in a month.

http://burners.me/2013/11/27/miss-molly-goes-to-war/
 
2014-04-18 04:34:32 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.

It feels good for a half hour and costs way too much, there are better drugs for your buck. Not to mention that the good majority of blow in the US is cut with a cattle heart deworming drug.


Ahh that's why my worms keep dying
 
2014-04-18 04:36:59 PM  

Diacetylmorphine: moeburn: Diacetylmorphine: moeburn:

But the major claim about ibogaine isn't that it cures the  addiction,it cures the  withdrawal.

Dunno, as far as heroin withdrawal, addiction, relapse etc goes I can only speak from my personal experience with it.

At my WORST I was doing 2-3 grams (ballpark $300-$400) a day. Quit cold turkey (as I have done every time I stop) and withdrawls was like a moderate case of the flu for about a week. My crippling PTSD and depression have always been my downfall when it comes to relapse.

I tend to see heroin addicts as whiny crybabies regarding withdrawal (using the discomfort as a reason to begin using again) as my personal experience really wasn't that severe, especially considering the massive amounts I was imbibing at the time.


Yeah, I've known some fellow addicts like you.  Quitting wasn't the hard part for them, it was staying quit.  I guess the rest of us  are whiny crybabies, which only makes it feel worse, and the knowledge of that fact really doesn't help during the withdrawal.  For me, it wasn't like a moderate case of the flu.  It was like I had gone through chemotherapy, but with crippling depression and skin-crawling anxiety thrown in for fun.
 
2014-04-18 04:41:31 PM  

CJHardin: Hi, I'm a vet that completed a clinical trial using MDMA to treat PTSD.  I'll be on CNN with Sanjay Gupta in a month.

http://burners.me/2013/11/27/miss-molly-goes-to-war/


First of all, you rock dude! Second, I tried asking this question on that reddit thread and I emailed the people running that S.C. trial to no avail... maybe either you or fome nice farker could answer.

The question is: Ok, I'm a service connected PTSD afflicted vet that has (unfortunately) used MASSIVE amounts of illegal drugs (mostly opiate based ie heroin, but also methamphetamine) to try to cope. Opiates work well for me, but obviously due to the illegal and health impacts, it is not sustainable. Anyone care to chime in on if MDMA use for persons that are addicts is a viable treatment option? Does built up tolerance to opiates and/or methamphetamines reduce the efficacy of MDMA in this form of treatment? Btw, I'm six months clean and sober from all drugs/alcohol if that matters.

Thanks for your service bud and I truly hope you overcome this bullshiat and live a long and happy life.
 
2014-04-18 04:47:59 PM  
moeburn:

I so hope you didn't take offence to my comment. After posting it I noticed how rude it sounded.

I actually had acute leukemia (bone marrow transplant, over a year in the hospital) so possibly my discomfort tolerance is abnormally high. Physical pain really doesn't faze me that much, but the emotional/psychological pain from my PTSD and dysthymia are absolutely crippling at times. It gets to the point that a shot of heroin to the arm or a .45 to the temple seem like my only viable options.

Again, apologies if I seemed to discount your struggles in any way, it was not my intent.
 
2014-04-18 04:54:28 PM  

Diacetylmorphine: CJHardin: Hi, I'm a vet that completed a clinical trial using MDMA to treat PTSD.  I'll be on CNN with Sanjay Gupta in a month.

http://burners.me/2013/11/27/miss-molly-goes-to-war/

First of all, you rock dude! Second, I tried asking this question on that reddit thread and I emailed the people running that S.C. trial to no avail... maybe either you or fome nice farker could answer.

The question is: Ok, I'm a service connected PTSD afflicted vet that has (unfortunately) used MASSIVE amounts of illegal drugs (mostly opiate based ie heroin, but also methamphetamine) to try to cope. Opiates work well for me, but obviously due to the illegal and health impacts, it is not sustainable. Anyone care to chime in on if MDMA use for persons that are addicts is a viable treatment option? Does built up tolerance to opiates and/or methamphetamines reduce the efficacy of MDMA in this form of treatment? Btw, I'm six months clean and sober from all drugs/alcohol if that matters.

Thanks for your service bud and I truly hope you overcome this bullshiat and live a long and happy life.


Thanks for your service as well!  As far as PTSD, I have overcome it.  I was diagnosed as 76 percent symptomatic for profound chronic treatment resistant PTSD and after the treatments I was diagnosed to be 3 percent symptomatic.

To answer your question regarding other drug use, the MAPS study I was in required me to be absolutely clean of any drug and I would have been dropped if I have tested positive for anything or was found to have an alcohol problem that interfered with the study.  It was to ensure that the study was within protocol and results were known to only be from the MDMA, no other mind altering chemicals.  As far as the way MDMA works, I can't say for certain whether or not opiate use would affect the treatment, but the mechanism that MDMA uses is to dump all of your Serotonin at once.  Using opiates would decrease said Serotonin so you wouldn't get the same therapeutic benefit from the MDMA that is needed to make the transition from PTSD to normal.  I smoked a lot of cannabis (1/8th a day at least) prior to the study but had to stop before the treatments started, luckily that was rather easy.

Once it gets dropped to a schedule II then I'm sure that it can be administered regardless of your current meds, just for the purposes of the study I couldn't alter the results with an outside agent.  Interestingly, MAPS is now studying Ibogaine to treat heroin and opiate addiction in only one treatment.  That could be used concurrently with MDMA treatment.

Glad to hear you cleaned up.  The study is still accepting candidates, you should inquire.

http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/mdma_ptsd_u.s._study_veterans_of_w ar /
 
2014-04-18 04:57:51 PM  

Quaker: /Also, since when is LSD a "hard street drug"?


It is when your street looks like this:

images.eurogamer.net
 
2014-04-18 05:00:47 PM  
It should all be legal. I still cringe when people say 'alcohol and drugs', as if booze doesn't count.

Pffft. 'Land of Free' my adorable lil' arse.
 
2014-04-18 05:06:16 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Psychedelic mushrooms should be legal, as should LSD.


Word.  Did some legal-ish shrooms in Amsterdam and it was a very civilized experience.  Had a great time and nobody got hurt.  Way better than the dried cow shaite you get stateside.
 
2014-04-18 05:09:56 PM  
I'd really like to try Ibogaine, not because it can help heroin addiction problems, but is effective in treating most types of addiction.

/addictive personality type
//avoid hard-hard drugs because of it
///even pot can give me a lot of trouble
 
2014-04-18 05:12:17 PM  

Ready-set: It should all be legal. I still cringe when people say 'alcohol and drugs', as if booze doesn't count.

Pffft. 'Land of Free' my adorable lil' arse.


As a self-professed addict this may sound strange, but I wholeheartedly agree. I firmly believe that addiction is a medical, not criminal, issue that should be handled by medical professionals.

Portugal got it right, deal with the criminality surrounding the abuse of drugs (crime to support the habit) not considering the use in and of itself criminal. Truth be told, the criminal behaviors associated with drug abuse would likely disappear following legalization/decriminalization and removing the negative stigma associated with addiction would go a long way towards getting (and keeping) more addicts clean.
 
2014-04-18 05:14:50 PM  

rich_mitch: thisisyourbrainonFark: Psychedelic mushrooms should be legal, as should LSD.

Word.  Did some legal-ish shrooms in Amsterdam and it was a very civilized experience.  Had a great time and nobody got hurt.  Way better than the dried cow shaite you get stateside.


different types of mushrooms. Sounds like you were eating the kind they get in Jamaica. While fun not as potent on the psychedelic front as the ones you generally see in the states.

The ones in Jamaica were thin stems with small caps. Nothing like the giant stemmed white blue kind with the big brown caps you generally see here.
 
2014-04-18 05:18:09 PM  

SquiggsIN: kindms: SquiggsIN: kindms: All drugs should be legal. We have plenty of laws in the US to deal with unwanted behavior if people step out of line

our elected leaders would disagree.  they live to pass laws that we don't need because only one person was dumb enough to do what they are passing a law against.

Oh I realize this. I am very much in the minority when it comes to my feelings on people putting substances in their bodies. I think people should be able ingest whatever they want. As soon as you step out of line tho you get the hammer dropped on you. I am totally fine with that and no excuses like I was drunk or whatever. You do something while under the influence you are going down but just being under the influence should not be enough to be arrested if you are just chilling or minding your own business etc

As much as the inner libertarian in me (small l people not big L) wants to agree with that, there are just some substances that the effective/lethal dose ratio screams 'STAY BANNED FOREVER' to me.  In addition, some substances have such negative possible side effectss that, as a society, i'm not sure it's worth the 'free choice' factor for individuals to subject the rest of the population to the possible horrors.

I'm all for the legalization of cannabis and I'm not even sure I could support continued cocaine prohibition but, for me meth of any type is the equivalent of deliberately drinking drano.


Personal choices. Let meth heads kill themselves.
 
2014-04-18 05:19:41 PM  

germ78: I'd really like to try Ibogaine, not because it can help heroin addiction problems, but is effective in treating most types of addiction.

/addictive personality type
//avoid hard-hard drugs because of it
///even pot can give me a lot of trouble


Right now the only places that are conducting Ibogaine treatments are underground entities, mostly in South America.  MAPS is observing these treatments but not participating in them, but the overall success rate is extremely good.
 
2014-04-18 05:21:38 PM  

AtariGod: Richard Pryor pretty much nailed cocaine:

Q: What does cocaine make you feel like?
Pryor: It makes you feel like doing more cocaine.


Robin Williams: "Cocaine is god's way of telling you that you have too much money."
 
2014-04-18 05:22:12 PM  

CJHardin: germ78: I'd really like to try Ibogaine,

Right now the only places that are conducting Ibogaine treatments are underground entities, mostly in South America.  MAPS is observing these treatments but not participating in them, but the overall success rate is extremely good.


Really good documentary if you are interested.
 
rka
2014-04-18 05:22:58 PM  
Ibogaine?

Brought down Ed Muskie in '72 it did.

/HST
 
2014-04-18 05:26:42 PM  

CJHardin: germ78: I'd really like to try Ibogaine, not because it can help heroin addiction problems, but is effective in treating most types of addiction.

/addictive personality type
//avoid hard-hard drugs because of it
///even pot can give me a lot of trouble

Right now the only places that are conducting Ibogaine treatments are underground entities, mostly in South America.  MAPS is observing these treatments but not participating in them, but the overall success rate is extremely good.


There are quite a few worldwide.
 
2014-04-18 05:30:48 PM  

Diacetylmorphine: CJHardin: germ78: I'd really like to try Ibogaine,

Right now the only places that are conducting Ibogaine treatments are underground entities, mostly in South America.  MAPS is observing these treatments but not participating in them, but the overall success rate is extremely good.

Really good documentary if you are interested.


Cool, thanks.
 
2014-04-18 05:47:58 PM  

fjnorton: Communist_Manifesto: URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.

It feels good for a half hour and costs way too much, there are better drugs for your buck. Not to mention that the good majority of blow in the US is cut with a cattle heart deworming drug.

Ahh that's why my worms keep dying


And that's where my cattle heart went.
 
2014-04-18 05:59:57 PM  

mama2tnt: I thought it died out in the '80s after crack and meth made their appearances.


Cocaine has stuck around, but it's more for lawyers and rock stars now, people with money.  Crack, as I understand it is declining as it faces easier availability of cocaine on the high side and Meth on the low side.
 
2014-04-18 06:42:03 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: URAPNIS: I would love to try cocaine.

Seriously.

It feels good for a half hour and costs way too much, there are better drugs for your buck. Not to mention that the good majority of blow in the US is cut with a cattle heart deworming drug.


So... you're telling me there are health benefits?
 
2014-04-18 07:22:22 PM  
All drugs should be legal with varying degrees of restrictions.  They should be packaged with information on things like dosage, safety, what to do for overdose, etc.  Restrictions would be based on the actual properties of each individual drug, as detemined by scientists, not bureaucrats or politicians.  They would be designed to limit the bad aspects of the drug and make its use as safe as possible, without completely denying access (which would only lead to the black market, contamination, and ultimately more harm).
 
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2014-04-18 08:05:23 PM  

radarlove: Ayahuasca is loaded with DMT and is the new old hippy-trip.


I have a book from the early 1970's telling how to make it.  DMT has been around for a long time.
 
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2014-04-18 08:06:41 PM  

NFA: radarlove: Ayahuasca is loaded with DMT and is the new old hippy-trip.

I have a book from the early 1970's telling how to make it.  DMT has been around for a long time.


One more point, it can also be extracted from a common grass that grows in people's lawns.
 
2014-04-18 08:24:37 PM  

moeburn: I've done cocaine.  It's strange - didn't do a damn thing to me the first time, or the 2nd time, but each time I tried it, it started to work better and better, until I thought it was the best damn stuff in the world.  And it was all from the exact same pile of stuff, I wasn't getting gradually purer stuff or anything.  But what's strange is that I could do it for 2 weeks, and then stop, and the worst I'd get is a day of feeling like I didn't get enough sleep.  I did 2 weeks on, 1 week off for like 3 months, and when I stopped, I didn't feel any withdrawal whatsoever.

And I have an extremely addictive personality.  I've finally gotten over an 8 year opiod addiction (yeah probably wasn't a good idea to try coke).  I lose my shiat when I run out of weed, getting completely pissed off and miserable at everyone, total anhedonia, but when I decided to stop coke, it was like "man that stuff was nice.  I sure will miss it.  So what's on TV?"


Cocaine does not cause a physical addiction like heroin or cigarettes. It can only cause addiction mentally. You have to trick yourself into needing it for its addiction to work. Meth works the same way. It usually hooks people who trick themselves into thinking they need the extra energy to get by. If you have the will power (most don't) it will not cause addiction.
 
2014-04-18 08:30:51 PM  

NFA: radarlove: Ayahuasca is loaded with DMT and is the new old hippy-trip.

I have a book from the early 1970's telling how to make it.  DMT has been around for a long time.


And Ayahuasca has been in use for hundreds of years- I'm saying that it has had a resurgence in popularity as of late, with the hippie crowd being the driving force behind that popularity.
 
2014-04-18 08:52:15 PM  

SquiggsIN: for me meth of any type is the equivalent of deliberately drinking drano.



Aren't all the ADHD drugs that they prescribe to children, almost exactly the same as meth?
 
2014-04-18 09:26:03 PM  

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: for me meth of any type is the equivalent of deliberately drinking drano.


Aren't all the ADHD drugs that they prescribe to children, almost exactly the same as meth?


Well, Ritilin is  Methylphenidate, but it's not an amphetamine so no.  Adderall on the other hand is.
 
2014-04-18 10:01:21 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-18 10:02:07 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-18 10:38:26 PM  
What a piece of crap website.
 
2014-04-18 11:24:01 PM  
Q: What does cocaine make you feel like?
Pryor: It makes you feel like doing more cocaine.


Which is precisely why i've never tried it.  I might like it until I'm dead.



Liked it quite a lot, to the point that the wife and I were doing it IV.....the early morning in which she went into seizure and stopped breathing for an uncomfortably long time put a period at the end of the coke sentence for me.  She lived, and I haven't done it since.  helluva drug
 
2014-04-19 05:20:11 AM  

mama2tnt: AtariGod: Richard Pryor pretty much nailed cocaine:

Q: What does cocaine make you feel like?
Pryor: It makes you feel like doing more cocaine.

Robin Williams: "Cocaine is god's way of telling you that you have too much money."



"Cocaine isn't habit forming. I should know - I've been using it for years."

Tallulah Bankhead.
 
2014-04-19 12:43:34 PM  

ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?


You know what else kills people? Legal drugs. You can kill yourself with OTC painkillers if you want.
 
2014-04-19 12:52:16 PM  

LoneWolf343: ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?

You know what else kills people? Legal drugs. You can kill yourself with OTC painkillers if you want.


Yeah, you can by intentionally attempting to do so.  Overdose quantities are a huge compared to treatment doses.  You know full well that hundreds of people die from unintentional cocaine overdoses, and any substance that has that risk is required to be by prescription in the US.
 
2014-04-19 01:33:08 PM  

ikanreed: LoneWolf343: ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?

You know what else kills people? Legal drugs. You can kill yourself with OTC painkillers if you want.

Yeah, you can by intentionally attempting to do so.  Overdose quantities are a huge compared to treatment doses.  You know full well that hundreds of people die from unintentional cocaine overdoses, and any substance that has that risk is required to be by prescription in the US.


You are familiar with nasal decongestant spray? Turns out that stuff is addictive, and has bad health effects stemming from long-term use. Ever had heart palps and dizzy spells? Not fun. I did some research that other health effects include hallucinations and a special kind of fungal infection. Sounds dangerous, right? It's also completely OTC, and I didn't get so much as a funny look the three years that I used it.

tl;dr You're talking out of your ass.
 
2014-04-19 01:58:01 PM  

ikanreed: LoneWolf343: ikanreed: Cocaine kills people, though.  I mean, maybe with doctor prescription, in measured doses, maybe?  But why would cocaine ever ever ever be freerer to use than sleeping pills?

You know what else kills people? Legal drugs. You can kill yourself with OTC painkillers if you want.

Yeah, you can by intentionally attempting to do so.  Overdose quantities are a huge compared to treatment doses.  You know full well that hundreds of people die from unintentional cocaine overdoses, and any substance that has that risk is required to be by prescription in the US.


www.topclassactions.com

Acetaminophen overdose sends as many as 78,000 Americans to the emergency room annually and results in 33,000 hospitalizations a year, federal data shows. Acetaminophen is also the nation's leading cause of acute liver failure, according to data from an ongoing study funded by the National Institutes for Health.

Does not take that much either, especially since it its hidden in couch medicines and cold syrups, etc.

"The key issue with acetaminophen is really what they call the narrow margin of error. It's the narrowest margin of error between the dose that can (help) you and the dose that can harm," writes T.Christian Miller at ProPublica.
 
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