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(Daily Mail)   The coolest shipwreck you'll see today is a Russian destroyer sunk and untouched since WWI   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 48
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2014-04-18 01:02:10 PM
He touched it, I saw him do it!

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-04-18 01:19:43 PM
It's pretty cool, I guess.
 
2014-04-18 02:33:13 PM
'Anyway, they delivered the bomb'.
 
2014-04-18 02:33:17 PM
Untouched? Not by all the Ocean life.
 
2014-04-18 02:34:35 PM
My grandfather was in the Navy in WWI.  He's gone now, but man.  I can't imagine what kind of nightmare it was to be on those heaps where pretty much every inch of those vessels could maim or kill you if it felt like it.

Now?  They have CARPET and clean air.
 
2014-04-18 02:34:42 PM
Untouched?  That thing looks like its had the fark molested out of it by barnacles.
 
2014-04-18 02:42:19 PM
"Massive 120mm gun"  Ah.....never mind.
 
2014-04-18 02:42:59 PM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-18 02:49:41 PM
Wouldn't that be a Russian destroyee?
 
2014-04-18 02:57:58 PM
Damn, you forget how small those original destroyers were.
 
2014-04-18 02:58:25 PM
It's a "war grave", so they shouldn't entering it to look at the torpedoes.  I know the Brits take that stuff seriously.
 
2014-04-18 03:00:11 PM
Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

i60.fastpic.ru

That's one fugly ship.
 
2014-04-18 03:09:25 PM

TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.


In WWI, the Germans called their pre-Dreadnought battleships, "5 minute ships", as that's how long they would last against a Dreadnought class battleship.  That tub looks like a "15 to 20 seconds ship".
 
2014-04-18 03:11:46 PM
My Dad can fix it. He has a righteous set of TV repair tools!

i1180.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-18 03:18:10 PM
No, I'm not linking to Daily Fail. Try harder, subbo.
 
2014-04-18 03:21:53 PM

zimbomba63: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

In WWI, the Germans called their pre-Dreadnought battleships, "5 minute ships", as that's how long they would last against a Dreadnought class battleship.  That tub looks like a "15 to 20 seconds ship".


Up closer they would have a chance. The reality was that add spin add they got within sight a dreadnought class would sink them from miles away.

5 min to get the accuracy right!

Cool photos
 
2014-04-18 03:27:35 PM
I'm sure those old torpedoes are perfectly safe.
 
2014-04-18 03:29:08 PM

zimbomba63: It's a "war grave", so they shouldn't entering it to look at the torpedoes.  I know the Brits take that stuff seriously.


they are not as sentimental in the slavic countries. that ship is only still there because it was undiscovered until now. all the rest of the war wrecks like it were cut up and raised for scrap metal if they knew where they were.
 
2014-04-18 03:30:33 PM

zimbomba63: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

In WWI, the Germans called their pre-Dreadnought battleships, "5 minute ships", as that's how long they would last against a Dreadnought class battleship.  That tub looks like a "15 to 20 seconds ship".


Well, yeah, she looks more like a minesweeper than a destroyer. But even a contemporary destroyer design wouldn't fair all that well against a battleship because well, yeah, it's a destroyer going up against a battleship =)
 
2014-04-18 03:31:52 PM

zimbomba63: "Massive 120mm gun"  Ah.....never mind.


Came here to make similar noises.
 
2014-04-18 03:33:37 PM

TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.


"Tin can" for a reason. Had a Great-Uncle at Jutland in a destroyer; HMS Martial. He was lucky to have lived.
 
2014-04-18 03:40:03 PM

antidumbass: No, I'm not linking to Daily Fail. Try harder, subbo.


No one asked you to link to it.
 
2014-04-18 03:40:49 PM
Black Sea they said never gives up her dead when the German Navy goes sailin'
 
2014-04-18 03:54:01 PM
We will reclaim our ship from the West...

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-18 03:54:54 PM

LordOfBacon: zimbomba63: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

In WWI, the Germans called their pre-Dreadnought battleships, "5 minute ships", as that's how long they would last against a Dreadnought class battleship.  That tub looks like a "15 to 20 seconds ship".

Well, yeah, she looks more like a minesweeper than a destroyer. But even a contemporary destroyer design wouldn't fair all that well against a battleship because well, yeah, it's a destroyer going up against a battleship =)


Against a battleship or a Cruiser in a shelling duel the Destroyer would have no chance.  However, note all those torpedoes.  Destroyers could be effective at night closing to range with a larger ship and launching torpedoes.
 
2014-04-18 04:01:26 PM

mainsail: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

"Tin can" for a reason. Had a Great-Uncle at Jutland in a destroyer; HMS Martial. He was lucky to have lived.


Years ago one of my distant relatives sent my mother a copy some type of professional geneological booklet on one side of the family.  Turns out  I had a great or great great uncle at the battle of Jutland (the Germans called it the battle of the Skaggerak) on the light Cruiser Munchen (Munich).  Light Cruisers are only a little larger than Destroyers.  He was killed at sea in the battle.
 
2014-04-18 04:21:00 PM

El Supe: mainsail: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

"Tin can" for a reason. Had a Great-Uncle at Jutland in a destroyer; HMS Martial. He was lucky to have lived.

Years ago one of my distant relatives sent my mother a copy some type of professional geneological booklet on one side of the family.  Turns out  I had a great or great great uncle at the battle of Jutland (the Germans called it the battle of the Skaggerak) on the light Cruiser Munchen (Munich).  Light Cruisers are only a little larger than Destroyers.  He was killed at sea in the battle.


Ouch. I had another great Uncle killed at the Somme. Every male of that generation of my family was in uniform- none for the Central Powers, though. all AEF and BEF, and RN. Lots of pruned branches in the family tree. The CWGC actually uses some of my pictures on their websites. And this year, the Centenary of the start. Amazing.
 
2014-04-18 04:37:25 PM

mainsail: El Supe: mainsail: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

"Tin can" for a reason. Had a Great-Uncle at Jutland in a destroyer; HMS Martial. He was lucky to have lived.

Years ago one of my distant relatives sent my mother a copy some type of professional geneological booklet on one side of the family.  Turns out  I had a great or great great uncle at the battle of Jutland (the Germans called it the battle of the Skaggerak) on the light Cruiser Munchen (Munich).  Light Cruisers are only a little larger than Destroyers.  He was killed at sea in the battle.

Ouch. I had another great Uncle killed at the Somme. Every male of that generation of my family was in uniform- none for the Central Powers, though. all AEF and BEF, and RN. Lots of pruned branches in the family tree. The CWGC actually uses some of my pictures on their websites. And this year, the Centenary of the start. Amazing.

Britain's, and your family's sacrifice was enormous in World War I.  You can make the case ( and I would) that no other event had the negative impact on the World as did the Great war. I had to look up CWGC and I see it is Commonweath War Gravecommission
 
2014-04-18 04:53:52 PM

El Supe: mainsail: El Supe: mainsail: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

"Tin can" for a reason. Had a Great-Uncle at Jutland in a destroyer; HMS Martial. He was lucky to have lived.

Years ago one of my distant relatives sent my mother a copy some type of professional geneological booklet on one side of the family.  Turns out  I had a great or great great uncle at the battle of Jutland (the Germans called it the battle of the Skaggerak) on the light Cruiser Munchen (Munich).  Light Cruisers are only a little larger than Destroyers.  He was killed at sea in the battle.

Ouch. I had another great Uncle killed at the Somme. Every male of that generation of my family was in uniform- none for the Central Powers, though. all AEF and BEF, and RN. Lots of pruned branches in the family tree. The CWGC actually uses some of my pictures on their websites. And this year, the Centenary of the start. Amazing.
Britain's, and your family's sacrifice was enormous in World War I.  You can make the case ( and I would) that no other event had the negative impact on the World as did the Great war. I had to look up CWGC and I see it is Commonweath War Gravecommission


I would argue we're still essentially caught in the war's aftermath- the Middle East, the stuff going on in Ukraine- all issues hungover from the war and WWII (WWI part 2). and yup, the Commonwealth War graves Commission. They get to use the photos, gratis. After all, they maintain the family plots. Well, for the ones that they found, anyway. A few more are somewhere part of the Atlantic. Of course, millions of others with them. Terrible waste. I wonder sometimes how much music, writing, and other arts lost in the war (countered by a cynical thought of how many murderers, rapists and evil sods we were spared from). Obviously, not enough of the latter.
 
2014-04-18 05:02:32 PM
Wait, what was the name of the ship? I don't think thy said it enough times in the article. Or that it had a massive 120mm gun that weighed ten tons. Or that it was sitting in 90ft of water. More filler than a vending machine cinnamon roll.
 
2014-04-18 05:06:55 PM

El Supe: mainsail: El Supe: mainsail: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

"Tin can" for a reason. Had a Great-Uncle at Jutland in a destroyer; HMS Martial. He was lucky to have lived.

Years ago one of my distant relatives sent my mother a copy some type of professional geneological booklet on one side of the family.  Turns out  I had a great or great great uncle at the battle of Jutland (the Germans called it the battle of the Skaggerak) on the light Cruiser Munchen (Munich).  Light Cruisers are only a little larger than Destroyers.  He was killed at sea in the battle.

Ouch. I had another great Uncle killed at the Somme. Every male of that generation of my family was in uniform- none for the Central Powers, though. all AEF and BEF, and RN. Lots of pruned branches in the family tree. The CWGC actually uses some of my pictures on their websites. And this year, the Centenary of the start. Amazing.
Britain's, and your family's sacrifice was enormous in World War I.  You can make the case ( and I would) that no other event had the negative impact on the World as did the Great war. I had to look up CWGC and I see it is Commonweath War Gravecommission


I'd agree, with the caveats that 1) WWI pretty much fed into WWII, with a gap between, more like an intermission than a proper peace, and 2) that not all the impacts of the war(s) were negative, in the long run.  Yes, we're still dealing with the breakup up the British Empire in lots of spots like Iraq...but it was going to die at some point anyway.  Nations like India weren't going to stay under the British thumb forever.  Likewise, Communism sucked...but it's not like the feudalism it replaced in places like Russia was any great picnic for most of the locals.

/anybody who stepped onto a WWI battlefield, on either side, had great big brass balls
 
2014-04-18 05:08:37 PM

TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.


Looks like you could sink it with a sling shot.
 
2014-04-18 05:09:18 PM

mainsail: El Supe: mainsail: El Supe: mainsail: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

"Tin can" for a reason. Had a Great-Uncle at Jutland in a destroyer; HMS Martial. He was lucky to have lived.

Years ago one of my distant relatives sent my mother a copy some type of professional geneological booklet on one side of the family.  Turns out  I had a great or great great uncle at the battle of Jutland (the Germans called it the battle of the Skaggerak) on the light Cruiser Munchen (Munich).  Light Cruisers are only a little larger than Destroyers.  He was killed at sea in the battle.

Ouch. I had another great Uncle killed at the Somme. Every male of that generation of my family was in uniform- none for the Central Powers, though. all AEF and BEF, and RN. Lots of pruned branches in the family tree. The CWGC actually uses some of my pictures on their websites. And this year, the Centenary of the start. Amazing.
Britain's, and your family's sacrifice was enormous in World War I.  You can make the case ( and I would) that no other event had the negative impact on the World as did the Great war. I had to look up CWGC and I see it is Commonweath War Gravecommission

I would argue we're still essentially caught in the war's aftermath- the Middle East, the stuff going on in Ukraine- all issues hungover from the war and WWII (WWI part 2). and yup, the Commonwealth War graves Commission. They get to use the photos, gratis. After all, they maintain the family plots. Well, for the ones that they found, anyway. A few more are somewhere part of the Atlantic. Of course, millions of others with them. Terrible waste. I wonder sometimes how much music, writing, and other arts lost in the war (countered by a cynical thought of how many murderers, rapists and evil sods we were spared from). Obviously, not enough of the latter.


Music and arts and especially future scientists/inventors.  If I could change one event in history it would be to stop the assasanation of the Arch Duke.
 
2014-04-18 05:27:14 PM

Ivan the Tolerable: zimbomba63: It's a "war grave", so they shouldn't entering it to look at the torpedoes.  I know the Brits take that stuff seriously.

they are not as sentimental in the slavic countries. that ship is only still there because it was undiscovered until now. all the rest of the war wrecks like it were cut up and raised for scrap metal if they knew where they were.


About 20 years ago, a co-worker, knowing my interest in WWI naval history, showed me an article in a diving magazine he received.  It was about diving on the remaining wrecks of the High Seas Fleet at Scapa Flow.  In the article, the writer twice stated that the British government considered the ships as "war graves", and the ships were not to be entered and absolutely no objects from the ships could be taken by the divers.  It, also, stated the anyone breaking these rules would be subject to very heavy fines.  At the end of the article, there was a box, with a statement from the editor, restating the warnings from the article.  I came away from this article, with the feeling that the Brits really meant it, and these were farking German ships. You can almost imagine how badly things would go for you, if you screwed around with a Royal Navy wreck.
 
2014-04-18 05:29:06 PM

groppet: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

Looks like you could sink it with a sling shot.


They were designed to counteract the small and fast torpedo boats that became popular in the late 19th Century. The early ones were pretty much just enlarged torpedo boats. They had enough firepower to take on a tiny boat, and later became escort and fleet screening ships, but that combination of small size and speed made them nearly useless in large fleet actions. That was not actually a great drawback since most naval battles were small engagements, raids, and blockades.
 
2014-04-18 05:34:53 PM

LordOfBacon: zimbomba63: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

In WWI, the Germans called their pre-Dreadnought battleships, "5 minute ships", as that's how long they would last against a Dreadnought class battleship.  That tub looks like a "15 to 20 seconds ship".

Well, yeah, she looks more like a minesweeper than a destroyer. But even a contemporary destroyer design wouldn't fair all that well against a battleship because well, yeah, it's a destroyer going up against a battleship =)


Yeah, it was badly worded on my part.  I was trying to talk about its chances against a WWI British or German destroyer.  If it was a minesweeper, they had a bit of minesweeping fail, I guess.  And yeah, I know it was a dangerous business, sweeping mines.
 
2014-04-18 05:49:14 PM
I would think those torpedoes and other ordinance on board might be of a concern to those camera people and divers.  An unexploded bomb, shell, or torpedo generally is never considered safe. Explosives generally do not age well so I would think in addition to being a war grave the ship would be a safety hazard.
 
2014-04-18 05:51:36 PM

El Supe: mainsail: El Supe: mainsail: El Supe: mainsail: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

"Tin can" for a reason. Had a Great-Uncle at Jutland in a destroyer; HMS Martial. He was lucky to have lived.

Years ago one of my distant relatives sent my mother a copy some type of professional geneological booklet on one side of the family.  Turns out  I had a great or great great uncle at the battle of Jutland (the Germans called it the battle of the Skaggerak) on the light Cruiser Munchen (Munich).  Light Cruisers are only a little larger than Destroyers.  He was killed at sea in the battle.

Ouch. I had another great Uncle killed at the Somme. Every male of that generation of my family was in uniform- none for the Central Powers, though. all AEF and BEF, and RN. Lots of pruned branches in the family tree. The CWGC actually uses some of my pictures on their websites. And this year, the Centenary of the start. Amazing.
Britain's, and your family's sacrifice was enormous in World War I.  You can make the case ( and I would) that no other event had the negative impact on the World as did the Great war. I had to look up CWGC and I see it is Commonweath War Gravecommission

I would argue we're still essentially caught in the war's aftermath- the Middle East, the stuff going on in Ukraine- all issues hungover from the war and WWII (WWI part 2). and yup, the Commonwealth War graves Commission. They get to use the photos, gratis. After all, they maintain the family plots. Well, for the ones that they found, anyway. A few more are somewhere part of the Atlantic. Of course, millions of others with them. Terrible waste. I wonder sometimes how much music, writing, and other arts lost in the war (countered by a cynical thought of how many murderers, rapists and evil sods we were spared from). Obviously, not enough of the latter.

Music and arts and especially future scientists/inventors.  If I could change one event in histo ...


On the other hand, and there is always another hand, we wouldn't have worker's rights, women's rights, the US' moves towards racial equality without that gun shot. The Archduke Ferdinand was progressive, or rather, considered progressive, for his era, but that's in an era where you still had peasants and serfs (so anything could be progressive compared to that).
 
2014-04-18 07:53:37 PM

LordOfBacon: zimbomba63: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

In WWI, the Germans called their pre-Dreadnought battleships, "5 minute ships", as that's how long they would last against a Dreadnought class battleship.  That tub looks like a "15 to 20 seconds ship".

Well, yeah, she looks more like a minesweeper than a destroyer. But even a contemporary destroyer design wouldn't fair all that well against a battleship because well, yeah, it's a destroyer going up against a battleship =)



If you mean modern ships, they wouldn't last a second against WWII USN ships.

During the Falkland war?  The Battleship the Argentina had was a USN Light Cruiser they bought from the US after the war.  Even though it was a light cruiser it was considered a battleship in the modern era of ships.  The British subs could not sink it with their modern torpedoes.  They had to use WWII torpedoes to sink it.

That was a light cruiser...  if we ever fielded the Iowa class battleships again, no Iranian, North Korean, Chinese or Russian sub could sink it since the armor is too thick.

Modern ships have no armor or barely any.  Destroyers from WWII probably have more armor than any ship fielded today that was built in the modern era.  Let alone the gun batteries since everything is missiles now.
 
2014-04-18 07:55:03 PM

TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.


And small.  Reminds me of one of the larger river boats used in Vietnam by the US, with it's own smoke screen.  Personally, I think most ships of WWI were ugly, but they weren't built to be sexy.
 
2014-04-18 08:31:17 PM
Say......did you guys know that the 120mm gun was still intact? Or that it weighed 10 TONS?
 
2014-04-18 10:50:49 PM

FullMetalPanda: If you mean modern ships, they wouldn't last a second against WWII USN ships.


No, I meant contemporary WWI destroyers of the era. The vessel pictured above looks more like a motor minesweeper than a destroyer.

In any case, I'd have to disagree with you. Modern ships would use long range missiles and easily destroy any WWII era ship. Command of the sea and all that.

FullMetalPanda: The British subs could not sink it with their modern torpedoes.  They had to use WWII torpedoes to sink it.

Yes, but that was largely due to the unreliable nature of the Tigerfish torpedo. As far as warhead yields, almost any modern torpedo would have been capable of sinking the Belgrano (with exception to some of the smaller anti-submarine designs such as the Mark 46)


FullMetalPanda: That was a light cruiser...  if we ever fielded the Iowa class battleships again, no Iranian, North Korean, Chinese or Russian sub could sink it since the armor is too thick.

*shrug* We sank the Yamato with air dropped bombs and torpedoes, all it takes is enough hits - besides modern day cruise missiles and anti-ship missiles could certainly leave the battleship a flaming wreck. Additionally, modern torpedoes are capable of exploding under a target vessel, potentially breaking its back. (WWII era torpedoes had this capability with magnetic exploders, but were very unreliable).

The technology works now.

 
2014-04-18 10:52:23 PM
When dealing with any Russian naval vessel, always remember:

It never Ukraines but it ports.
 
2014-04-18 11:47:02 PM

lack of warmth: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

And small.  Reminds me of one of the larger river boats used in Vietnam by the US, with it's own smoke screen.  Personally, I think most ships of WWI were ugly, but they weren't built to be sexy.


The late Victorian era and the Gilded Age saw a strange resurgence in Classical naval facades. Lean and streamlined ships, pronounced prows, and even dedicated ram ships taking advantage of steam engines for more powerful ramming (which never worked out in reality). They weren't quite sexy to the people of the time, since they were attempting to combine the aesthetic ideal and the limited but expanding technological reality.
 
2014-04-19 12:04:44 AM

FullMetalPanda: LordOfBacon: zimbomba63: TomD9938: Here it is in all its unsunk glory:

[i60.fastpic.ru image 800x489]

That's one fugly ship.

In WWI, the Germans called their pre-Dreadnought battleships, "5 minute ships", as that's how long they would last against a Dreadnought class battleship.  That tub looks like a "15 to 20 seconds ship".

Well, yeah, she looks more like a minesweeper than a destroyer. But even a contemporary destroyer design wouldn't fair all that well against a battleship because well, yeah, it's a destroyer going up against a battleship =)


If you mean modern ships, they wouldn't last a second against WWII USN ships.

During the Falkland war?  The Battleship the Argentina had was a USN Light Cruiser they bought from the US after the war.  Even though it was a light cruiser it was considered a battleship in the modern era of ships.  The British subs could not sink it with their modern torpedoes.  They had to use WWII torpedoes to sink it.

That was a light cruiser...  if we ever fielded the Iowa class battleships again, no Iranian, North Korean, Chinese or Russian sub could sink it since the armor is too thick.

Modern ships have no armor or barely any.  Destroyers from WWII probably have more armor than any ship fielded today that was built in the modern era.  Let alone the gun batteries since everything is missiles now.


Destroyers don't have any armor.
 
2014-04-19 01:00:54 AM

zimbomba63: "Massive 120mm gun"  Ah.....never mind.


Perspective.  For the army, that would be a massive gun.  For the navy of the time, when they were putting 300mm plus guns on warships at the time, that is a popgun.  Hell, most western destroyers carried a set of guns between of 125mm to 130mm.
 
2014-04-19 02:13:34 AM
FTA

He said: 'It was amazing to dive a wreck which had been on the sea bed for more than 90 years. The gun was particularly impressive to look at. It was like swimming next to a piece of history.'

So was he viewing it in virtual reality or something? Or does a WWI warship not qualify as a "piece of history" in his mind.
 
2014-04-20 01:14:04 AM

El Supe: Against a battleship or a Cruiser in a shelling duel the Destroyer would have no chance. However, note all those torpedoes. Destroyers could be effective at night closing to range with a larger ship and launching torpedoes.


Not just at night. They're fast and maneuverable and therefore hard to hit. Battleship (or Dreadnought ) main guns were pretty much useless against them. Destroyers were an integral part of heavy battle fleet combat. For a great example of Destroyer's effectiveness against big gun ships read about Leyte Gulf.
 
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