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(Fox News)   Wisconsin becomes the first state to adopt a "no backsies" law for people who adopt children in the state   (foxnews.com) divider line 48
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2014-04-18 12:52:53 PM
"With virtually no oversight, children could literally be traded from home to home. In Wisconsin, that is now against the law,"

They're shutting down free markets and expanding government. Now I'll have to buy children from dealers in Texas.
 
2014-04-18 01:48:58 PM
Removing the generous return policy removes any benefit from adopting children over having them normally. For what reason would any couple now choose to adopt a pre-owned child when they could have a brand new one?
 
2014-04-18 02:16:32 PM
It used to be ok to anally rape your kids in Wisconsin?  That doesn't sound right.
 
2014-04-18 02:16:42 PM
baby bartering is a serious issue and this is a much needed step in the right direction.
 
2014-04-18 02:17:20 PM
Wisconsin is seceding anyway, so not our problem.
 
2014-04-18 02:18:57 PM
Or as they would say, "Noooo byacksiees."
 
2014-04-18 02:20:23 PM
 
2014-04-18 02:20:48 PM
Yes, but can we still give back our natural ones that we don't want?  At any age??
 
2014-04-18 02:21:20 PM
What outraged me was the fact that Yahoo! shut down the message boards. Can you believe it? Whatever happened to free speech in this country?
 
2014-04-18 02:25:00 PM
Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.
 
2014-04-18 02:27:30 PM

zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.


No I didn't read the article. Now I have. Carry on.
 
2014-04-18 02:27:50 PM
Are gays allowed to adopt in Wisconsin? I didn't think so.
 
2014-04-18 02:27:59 PM
If you want free labor for your farm you dont adopt, you become a foster family. Then your ride those little sheeits for a season and send em back when you're done. Add some federal subsidies and you're well on your way to becoming a member of congress.
 
2014-04-18 02:28:17 PM

zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.


In that case I'm on the boy's side here.
 
2014-04-18 02:28:57 PM
This seems like a pretty good idea.

When I got a shelter dog, I had to sign a little statement to the effect that I wouldn't transfer the dog to a new owner, nor euthanize it without their permission.  I doubt it was legally enforceable, but the crazy pet lady at the rescue service seemed to mean well.
 
2014-04-18 02:29:56 PM
I thought you could return them as long as you hadn't worn them outside?
 
2014-04-18 02:32:01 PM

zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.


And if I give birth to a kid who turns out to be a murdering psychopath, do I get to give him right the fark back?  No.

Adoption is a BIG deal. When you sign those papers, you become the parent. Period. End of story. No backsies. No lemon law. No bullshiat.  You are committing to PARENT THAT CHILD, metaphorical warts and all.

Maybe the state withheld information from them or something, and you might have a lawsuit on your hands, but you don't just get to say "woops, our bad, when we said we wanted to be his parents we didn't REALLY mean it.  We don't want a kid with ISSUES."
 
2014-04-18 02:34:47 PM
Oh and about being married outside of Wisconsin?

From the Wiki on the Wisconsin constitutional amendment that banned gay-marriage

A statute that antedated that constitutional amendment provides that residents who contract a marriage in another jurisdiction that would be prohibited within Wisconsin can be fined up to $10,000 and/or imprisoned for up to 9 months.
 
2014-04-18 02:37:44 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.

And if I give birth to a kid who turns out to be a murdering psychopath, do I get to give him right the fark back?  No.

Adoption is a BIG deal. When you sign those papers, you become the parent. Period. End of story. No backsies. No lemon law. No bullshiat.  You are committing to PARENT THAT CHILD, metaphorical warts and all.

Maybe the state withheld information from them or something, and you might have a lawsuit on your hands, but you don't just get to say "woops, our bad, when we said we wanted to be his parents we didn't REALLY mean it.  We don't want a kid with ISSUES."


He had a history with the agency of pulling those kinds of stunts before, but they didn't say anything until they called the place and they go "oh yeah, he does that"
Doesn't really matter, they picked him back up
 
2014-04-18 02:41:53 PM

Dimensio


For what reason would any couple now choose to adopt a pre-owned child when they could have a brand new one?


The risk is lower if you get a CPO child and check the Kidfax for any problems.
 
2014-04-18 02:47:17 PM
I'd like to return my son. He's defective.

Do you have a receipt, sir?

No.

Did you get him from us?

No. I made him myself. I was drunk.

I'm sorry, sir, but to return a child you have to get him or her from us and have a receipt to prove it or we can't take them. Try Child Welfare on the Third Floor.

How about an abortion?

Sir, the child is sixteen. It's too late for an abortion.

He's got a fake ID.

We can't do an abortion. We are an adoption agency. We don't destroy the stock that doesn't move.

Who does that?

That would be the city pound. But they don't take humans. It's household pets only.

Oh, well. I guess it's politics for you, son.

Can I be President, Dad?

Sure. Sure, why not? When the Republicans take 97% of the African Lesbian Muslim vote, you can be President.

Ur, Mr. Paul?

Yes?

Your son dropped his fake ID.

Thanks.

(What kind of dumbass name is Rand?)

It's short for Kreugerrand, if you must know.

Oops! Sorry, sir.

I get that a lot. Mistakes were made.
 
2014-04-18 02:51:32 PM
A friend of a friend had adopted a child in Wisconsin, and was forced to return it because the biological mother changed her mind 3 weeks later. Apparently there is a one-month grace period for that. It's bullshiat if that law stands while this one is passed.
 
2014-04-18 02:54:00 PM

zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.


I have some friends who adopted a boy and a girl with severe issues and they tried really the fark hard to tame the kids.  They couldn't, the kids are just too broken.  Mama and Daddy were dopers and the kids were just screwed before they were even born.  Also abused.  They had to send them back.  It broke my friend's hearts.
 
2014-04-18 02:55:01 PM
Because People in power are Stupid: "With virtually no oversight, children could literally be traded from home to home. In Wisconsin, that is now against the law,"

They're shutting down free markets and expanding government. Now I'll have to buy children from dealers in Texas.


Or Thailand.
 
2014-04-18 02:58:12 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Oh and about being married outside of Wisconsin?

From the Wiki on the Wisconsin constitutional amendment that banned gay-marriage

A statute that antedated that constitutional amendment provides that residents who contract a marriage in another jurisdiction that would be prohibited within Wisconsin can be fined up to $10,000 and/or imprisoned for up to 9 months.


I know a few gay couples in WI that would love to test this law but they have kids and fearful what punishment they would get so they dont go to Iowa or any other state where it's allowed and get married and go back to WI. WI needs to have a large portion of the older church going population die off before gay marriage is legal there. Of course removing Governor College Drop Out would help out a bit
 
2014-04-18 02:58:34 PM
zarker: stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares)

I did until you said mini poodle.
 
2014-04-18 03:00:51 PM

bv2112: A friend of a friend had adopted a child in Wisconsin, and was forced to return it because the biological mother changed her mind 3 weeks later. Apparently there is a one-month grace period for that. It's bullshiat if that law stands while this one is passed.


The story isn't about returning a child to child care services or an adoption agency. It's about trading or selling them to another family.
 
2014-04-18 03:05:07 PM
Remind me not to bring mini poodles to fark parties
It's not like it was all pom-pomed and stuff, it's just a curly dog
 
2014-04-18 03:05:12 PM
foster kid finds this farking repulsive, but I've seen worse.
for a lot of these douchebags, the little humans are just gub't checks
the social workers really couldn't be paid to give a shiat.

what I find completely reprehensible is when a dna doner gives up a kid
then after they're established in a good family..they use the law to get them back
gods, that makes me crazy
 
2014-04-18 03:06:04 PM

zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.


That story doesn't put your brother and his partner in a good light either.
 
2014-04-18 03:06:38 PM
I would NEVER adopt someone outside of my family's kid. Those kids are way too farked up to even help.
/I have no clue why people would want to bring feral animals into their house anyway
 
2014-04-18 03:08:47 PM
This is just like when REI changed their return policy! Outraaaaage!!!1!
 
2014-04-18 03:09:18 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I would NEVER adopt someone outside of my family's kid. Those kids are way too farked up to even help.
/I have no clue why people would want to bring feral animals into their house anyway


Yes, I'm quite certain that you don't have a clue about it.
 
2014-04-18 03:18:35 PM

A Terrible Human: zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.

That story doesn't put your brother and his partner in a good light either.


They got a divorce six months later, there was no good light for them
 
2014-04-18 03:28:42 PM

zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.


I hope the 6 year old got some much needed therapy.
 
2014-04-18 03:29:16 PM
WTF!!

Double WTF is wrong with these people.

If the States won't let you adopt a baby, you are a bad person. That doesn't mean; go to the third world buy a baby.
 
2014-04-18 03:32:45 PM

worlddan: What outraged me was the fact that Yahoo! shut down the message boards. Can you believe it? Whatever happened to free speech in this country?


You read xkcd today.
 
2014-04-18 03:33:42 PM

Bathia_Mapes: zarker: Nope nope nope all of my NO.
My brother adopted a newborn baby. Mother was a druggy never saw it. 2 years later they adopt a 6 year old who decided he didn't like his toddler brother and held a pillow to his face, and stabbed the dog with scissors. (mini poodle if anyone cares) They had to give him right the fark back.

I hope the 6 year old got some much needed therapy.


As far as I know his next mother refused to give up even after waking up to a pillow in her face. Wonder if I could find him if I looked him up. He's 12 or so now
 
2014-04-18 03:42:04 PM

KidneyStone: I have some friends who adopted a boy and a girl with severe issues and they tried really the fark hard to tame the kids.  They couldn't, the kids are just too broken.  Mama and Daddy were dopers and the kids were just screwed before they were even born.  Also abused.  They had to send them back.  It broke my friend's hearts.


This is why I say:  Women, if you're farked up on crap that will hurt the baby, ABORT. Sheesh. Cheaper than a baby and less dangerous to your health.
/If you really want a kid, get cleaned up and try again later.
 
2014-04-18 03:47:23 PM
My in-laws adopted an infant boy out of California.  It turns out he had genetic issues that they weren't told about so now he's 40 and living with brain damage that could have been avoided.

He's a really nice guy, but he'd be nicer if he had an IQ north of 60.
 
2014-04-18 03:51:24 PM
So you can't give a kid back to the orphanage? Is that what it means? That's pretty farked up. If i adopted what I thought was a sweet kid but he/she had deep set mental issues and tries to kill me in my sleep, I ain't freakin keeping them. If i can't give them back then there's only one other option I'm afraid. Termination.
 
2014-04-18 03:57:31 PM
I lost the receipt anyway.
 
2014-04-18 04:03:37 PM

DeaH: bv2112: A friend of a friend had adopted a child in Wisconsin, and was forced to return it because the biological mother changed her mind 3 weeks later. Apparently there is a one-month grace period for that. It's bullshiat if that law stands while this one is passed.

The story isn't about returning a child to child care services or an adoption agency. It's about trading or selling them to another family.


It had literally never occurred to me before but you would NEED a law like this to prevent what amounts to "Straw buyers" of Children.  You find a front couple who looks squeaky clean and can pass all the home visits and background checks required before a state will let you adopt, but then once you have the child you'd have the same legal rights as ANY parents to sign over custody to a 3rd party meaning you could basically sell your child to someone who couldn't pass those checks
 
2014-04-18 04:06:36 PM
In Wisconsin you don't give up your adopted kids.  You feed 'em to the spiders.
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2014-04-18 04:22:24 PM

Dirty J1: So you can't give a kid back to the orphanage? Is that what it means? That's pretty farked up. If i adopted what I thought was a sweet kid but he/she had deep set mental issues and tries to kill me in my sleep, I ain't freakin keeping them. If i can't give them back then there's only one other option I'm afraid. Termination.


Orphanages are pretty much nonexistent in the US. Nowadays children are placed in group or foster homes, who in turn work with adoption agencies.
 
2014-04-18 04:33:10 PM
This is why I'm so glad I never see a picture or video of any kid coming to me.  We get reams of paper, and if anything is not disclosed, that is grounds for lawsuit, especially here in GA.  But, even with surprises in kids, you are supposed to keep on parenting.  If the kid is from your loins, and develops a serious medical or mental problem, do you get to re-home it?  Of course not, you are still the parent.  However, if you go on the adoptuskids.org website, you can see lots and lots of great looking kids with VERY vague descriptions of their needs.  People fall in love with the idea of being a hero/savior, then fall in love with an image, then reality steps up and slaps the crap out of them.

I have zero, zip, nada sympathy for anyone who adopts a fashion accessory, be it a pet, child, tattoo, high heels.  Fashions are temporary, while style is eternal.  Fashionistas are classless bastards, and the 'parents' in this article are simply jerks.
 
2014-04-18 05:18:00 PM

MBooda: In Wisconsin you don't give up your adopted kids.  You feed 'em to the spiders.
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??

I'll bite...what's that from?

/Arachnophobia wasn't set in Wisconsin, that I recall...
 
2014-04-18 05:28:46 PM

PunGent: MBooda: In Wisconsin you don't give up your adopted kids.  You feed 'em to the spiders.
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??

I'll bite...what's that from?

/Arachnophobia wasn't set in Wisconsin, that I recall...


But Giant Spider Invasion was!

/Whoo Packers
 
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