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2014-04-18 12:02:32 PM  
So I just searched for some quip from a feminist viewpoint about how we should stop using the word 'bastard' as it is an oppressive tool of the patriarchy, but what I found was a high frequency of the usage of the word on feminist blogs. Unexpected that was.
 
2014-04-18 01:07:40 PM  
What a bastard might look like:

img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-18 01:20:00 PM  

8 inches: What a bastard might look like:

[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x565]


What an utter bastard might look like:

i183.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-18 01:22:42 PM  
GenMY. The "M" stands for "mystery".

/Or GenMisterY
 
2014-04-18 01:26:30 PM  
Well...  Both obvious references covered in the Boobiess.

How about THIS one?
Primus:  Here Come the Bastards
 
2014-04-18 01:29:49 PM  
I blame Murphy Brown.
 
2014-04-18 01:31:31 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: So I just searched for some quip from a feminist viewpoint about how we should stop using the word 'bastard' as it is an oppressive tool of the patriarchy, but what I found was a high frequency of the usage of the word on feminist blogs. Unexpected that was.


I'm guessing they weren't using the same definition.

/I feel oppressed.
 
2014-04-18 01:33:29 PM  
The number may be growing because of the number of women choosing to be single moms via adoption or sperm donors. However, the CDC did not release how many of the women make that choice.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that's not the real reason.
 
2014-04-18 01:37:56 PM  

GanjSmokr: I blame Murphy Brown.


I blame NBA/NFL expansion.
 
2014-04-18 01:38:56 PM  
I work with a guy who has 2 with his long-term girlfriend, a different girl here has one on the way, and a shiat-ton of divorced people who had kids within marriage.


Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:

White
College-educated
Married--never divorced, same with wife
Kids--all with wife, and all of hers with me
Same decent job for the last 18 years
Own a house
Own four cars
Kids going off to college
Have some savings
 
2014-04-18 01:47:03 PM  
Nice work, Women's Lib. I predict no consequences whatsoever.
 
2014-04-18 01:52:48 PM  

fickenchucker: Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:

White
College-educated
Married--never divorced, same with wife
Kids--all with wife, and all of hers with me
Same decent job for the last 18 years
Own a house
Own four cars
Kids going off to college
Have some savings


"Becoming"?  Do you believe there was ever a time when a majority of people lived under those particular conditions?
 
2014-04-18 01:53:20 PM  
"I DON'T NEED NO MAN TO RAISE    M Y    KIDS!"


Now give me food and shelter and let me sue my sperm donor for support.
 
2014-04-18 01:53:26 PM  
Tell me something I don't know.

/Just don't call them what they are.
 
2014-04-18 01:54:04 PM  
At the risk of sounding judgmental, we know that children in single mother homes have about a single-digit percentage chance of NOT living in poverty.  We also know that children raised in single-mother homes are far more likely to drop out of school, have substance abuse problems, end up in prison, end up in long-term poverty, or (in the case of girls) end up as a single mother living in poverty.  Of course, not every child raised by a single mother ends up that way but the odds are certainly against a child in those circumstances.

Given that we know all of the above, why do we persist in welfare policies that subsidize and promote exactly that?  Why is there not a greater societal drive to hold fathers financially liable?  If one wants to see the unwed teen birthrate drop like a rock, institute a welfare policy that holds the parent or guardian financially liable for any and all children produced by teenage girls.  Have a policy that, unless the unwed mother is willing to identify the father and hold him liable, the child will be put up for adoption at birth.

It is immoral to punish the baby for the failures of the mother.  But we, as a society, need to rethink what constitutes the best environment for the child and hold parents more strictly accountable.
 
2014-04-18 01:56:15 PM  
www.quickmeme.com

I read your book!!!
 
2014-04-18 01:57:26 PM  

fickenchucker: I work with a guy who has 2 with his long-term girlfriend, a different girl here has one on the way, and a shiat-ton of divorced people who had kids within marriage.


Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:

White
College-educated
Married--never divorced, same with wife
Kids--all with wife, and all of hers with me
Same decent job for the last 18 years
Own a house
Own four cars
Kids going off to college
Have some savings


No gym in 26 minutes?  Slacker
 
2014-04-18 01:58:35 PM  

fickenchucker: I work with a guy who has 2 with his long-term girlfriend, a different girl here has one on the way, and a shiat-ton of divorced people who had kids within marriage.


Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:

White
College-educated
Married--never divorced, same with wife
Kids--all with wife, and all of hers with me
Same decent job for the last 18 years
Own a house
Own four cars
Kids going off to college
Have some savings


My "wife" and I have been together 25 years this September but never got married since neither of us are religious and don't see the necessity of the government recognizing / sanctioning our relationship. Both our kids are therefore bastards.
 
2014-04-18 01:59:50 PM  

fickenchucker: Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:


Minority?  You're becoming an anomaly. And, for society, that is definitely not a good thing.  Congratulations to you and your family, however.  You have also set the stage for your children to be much more successful than average.
 
2014-04-18 02:01:40 PM  
I'm sorry, but saying that because your uterus works, you're entitled to have babies come out of it is like saying that because your dick works, you're entitled to someplace to stick it.
 
2014-04-18 02:02:43 PM  
I'm not a bastard. My mom and dad were married two days before I was born.

and/or

The Army recruiting more officers? (i.e.: Don't call me sir, my parents were married!)
 
2014-04-18 02:06:04 PM  

Fast Moon: fickenchucker: Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:

White
College-educated
Married--never divorced, same with wife
Kids--all with wife, and all of hers with me
Same decent job for the last 18 years
Own a house
Own four cars
Kids going off to college
Have some savings

"Becoming"?  Do you believe there was ever a time when a majority of people lived under those particular conditions?


Wel...they should.  I'm a pretty happy guy.

Smeggy Smurf: No gym in 26 minutes?  Slacker


You got me there--I do belong to the gym four blocks away, but haven't gone in two months.


Mr. Right: fickenchucker: Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:

Minority?  You're becoming an anomaly. And, for society, that is definitely not a good thing.  Congratulations to you and your family, however.  You have also set the stage for your children to be much more successful than average.



Thanks.

/Apparently I should add naive--I thought most people stayed together.
//Both my parents and her parents are still married.
///And all four sets of grandparents were, until the grim reaper started splitting everyone up.
 
2014-04-18 02:07:47 PM  

fickenchucker: I work with a guy who has 2 with his long-term girlfriend, a different girl here has one on the way, and a shiat-ton of divorced people who had kids within marriage.


Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:

White
College-educated
Married--never divorced, same with wife
Kids--all with wife, and all of hers with me No kids
Same decent job for the last 18 20 years
Own a house
Own four two cars
Kids going off to college
Have some  lots of savings << see "no kids" above


Bland, predictable, successful (but not neccessarily attractive) white people - you'll miss us when we're gone
 
2014-04-18 02:08:07 PM  

Tyrosine: My "wife" and I have been together 25 years this September but never got married since neither of us are religious and don't see the necessity of the government recognizing / sanctioning our relationship. Both our kids are therefore bastards.


From a religious perspective, there is no reason for you to get married.  However, a woman with whom I worked for several years told me the same thing.  She and her long-time significant other didn't need any stupid piece of paper to know that they were committed to each other.  And then he was killed in an industrial accident.  The company insurance policy, worth a couple hundred grand in his case, was payable to legal spouses, not live-in girl friends, regardless of length of relationship.   If he had wanted, he could have named her beneficiary.  But that's just one more rule he didn't think he should have to follow.  Had they been married, the benefits would have automatically passed.  End result?  She and her daughter got nothing. She no longer believes that marriage is worthless.
 
2014-04-18 02:09:41 PM  

flynn80: GanjSmokr: I blame Murphy Brown.

I blame NBA/NFL expansion.


I blame rising women's wages.

slatestarcodex.com

Because I've heard the stories (in my reasonably extended family tree in a couple cases) of "Woman can't afford to leave wife-beater".  And now she can.  Because she actually makes money.

Long-term, there's *definitely* some issues having to do with the outcomes of the kids of single mothers*, but I'm not surprised that the number went up.

* So for example, when 72% of black mothers are single mothers, the male kids act like thugs, suffer a 25% casualty rate between deaths and jail (No, that's not a joke.   You were safer as a soldier in Iraq than a black male in the ghetto).  And then counting the idiots on parole, there's 3 black females for every 2 not-in-prison black males in our major cities (And uh, interracial marriage statistically speaking is a net drain of black males towards white females, which makes this entire situation worse).  So what happens?  Well, men sleep around a lot and women "up their game" (read: put out on the first date) and *still* can't tie down a man.  So you get a 70% single motherhood rate.  Which breeds more thugs without good father figures who go to jail (or die) and perpetuate the cycle - Male Incarceration, the Marriage Market, and Female Outcomes, Economist article.
 
2014-04-18 02:13:04 PM  

Langston: 8 inches: What a bastard might look like:

[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x565]

What an utter bastard might look like:

[i183.photobucket.com image 720x576]


What a posh bastard might look like:

newsimg.bbc.co.uk
 
2014-04-18 02:15:35 PM  

Mr. Right: At the risk of sounding judgmental, we know that children in single mother homes have about a single-digit percentage chance of NOT living in poverty.  We also know that children raised in single-mother homes are far more likely to drop out of school, have substance abuse problems, end up in prison, end up in long-term poverty, or (in the case of girls) end up as a single mother living in poverty.  Of course, not every child raised by a single mother ends up that way but the odds are certainly against a child in those circumstances.

Given that we know all of the above, why do we persist in welfare policies that subsidize and promote exactly that?  Why is there not a greater societal drive to hold fathers financially liable?  If one wants to see the unwed teen birthrate drop like a rock, institute a welfare policy that holds the parent or guardian financially liable for any and all children produced by teenage girls.  Have a policy that, unless the unwed mother is willing to identify the father and hold him liable, the child will be put up for adoption at birth.

It is immoral to punish the baby for the failures of the mother.  But we, as a society, need to rethink what constitutes the best environment for the child and hold parents more strictly accountable.


Because SHUT UP, that's why. You must hate women, minorities, diversity, the poor, and want all non-WASPs to die in the gutter, you judgmental, patriarchal, moralizing, oppressive hatemonger.

/why we can't have nice things, reasonable dialogue
 
2014-04-18 02:17:47 PM  

GilRuiz1: Because SHUT UP, that's why. You must hate women, minorities, diversity, the poor, and want all non-WASPs to die in the gutter, you judgmental, patriarchal, moralizing, oppressive hatemonger./why we can't have nice things, reasonable dialogue


It sure is.
 
2014-04-18 02:18:09 PM  

bunner: "I DON'T NEED NO MAN TO RAISE    M Y    KIDS!"


Now give me food and shelter and let me sue my sperm donor for support.


In the off chance they can identify who the father is.

I used to think I could avoid having to spend my hard-earned money on children by not having any.

Not any more. My money is being spent on the countless, single-mothers churning out progeny as if they're actually improving the world.

I was in a support meeting last week where some woman complained about not having enough benefits to support her 10 children. Another woman in her late 40s actually expected us to be happy for her on the arrival of her 18th grandchild.

I have no say over how many kids you choose to have because you're a benevolent life-giver. I also am a horrible hater of the poor if wish you would stop having them. I HIGHLY doubt this uptick is centered around well-paid single mothers supporting themselves.
 
2014-04-18 02:18:45 PM  

meyerkev: flynn80: GanjSmokr: I blame Murphy Brown.

I blame NBA/NFL expansion.

I blame rising women's wages.

[slatestarcodex.com image 360x178]

Because I've heard the stories (in my reasonably extended family tree in a couple cases) of "Woman can't afford to leave wife-beater".  And now she can.  Because she actually makes money.

Long-term, there's *definitely* some issues having to do with the outcomes of the kids of single mothers*, but I'm not surprised that the number went up.

* So for example, when 72% of black mothers are single mothers, the male kids act like thugs, suffer a 25% casualty rate between deaths and jail (No, that's not a joke.   You were safer as a soldier in Iraq than a black male in the ghetto).  And then counting the idiots on parole, there's 3 black females for every 2 not-in-prison black males in our major cities (And uh, interracial marriage statistically speaking is a net drain of black males towards white females, which makes this entire situation worse).  So what happens?  Well, men sleep around a lot and women "up their game" (read: put out on the first date) and *still* can't tie down a man.  So you get a 70% single motherhood rate.  Which breeds more thugs without good father figures who go to jail (or die) and perpetuate the cycle - Male Incarceration, the Marriage Market, and Female Outcomes, Economist article.


WE HAVE A WINNER^^^^^^^^

It's not racist to state facts so they can be addressed.  It's bad for society for marriage to be so disrespected*.

*Of course this includes all races of married douchebags and douchebag-ettes who cheat--it's everyone's problem that weakens a stable society.
 
2014-04-18 02:24:24 PM  
We're in an echo chamber. Where are all the outraged people to attack us and make us feel more outraged?!?!

We're probably all posting from work.
 
2014-04-18 02:28:30 PM  

Pangea: We're in an echo chamber. Where are all the outraged people to attack us and make us feel more outraged?!?!

We're probably all posting from work.


60 years of dismantling what mostly worked with nothing to replace it with and 34 years of allowing fat, greedy, festering douches to pocket the rest cause "we are the people who run things!", has gotten us precisely, here.  And here is a f*cking septic tank of dime store entitlement whiners, endless working and middle class vituperation upon each other, circular invective, and nothing resembling ANYthing that looks like a mop in a sea of piss and puke.  Keep shouting "nuh UH!" at each other.  It makes Satan's dick hard.  The American body politic has been neatly separated into 23,847,598,273,498 subsets of piss pious know it alls who will bark at anybody they're told to bark at, on cue, and then go buy stuff at Wal Mart.
 
2014-04-18 02:30:09 PM  

fickenchucker: It's not racist to state facts so they can be addressed.  It's bad for society for marriage to be so disrespected*.


The real racism is how they ended up in generation after generation of worsening issues like that.
 
2014-04-18 02:30:34 PM  

bunner: Pangea: We're in an echo chamber. Where are all the outraged people to attack us and make us feel more outraged?!?!

We're probably all posting from work.

60 years of dismantling what mostly worked with nothing to replace it with and 34 years of allowing fat, greedy, festering douches to pocket the rest cause "we are the people who run things!", has gotten us precisely, here.  And here is a f*cking septic tank of dime store entitlement whiners, endless working and middle class vituperation upon each other, circular invective, and nothing resembling ANYthing that looks like a mop in a sea of piss and puke.  Keep shouting "nuh UH!" at each other.  It makes Satan's dick hard.  The American body politic has been neatly separated into 23,847,598,273,498 subsets of piss pious know it alls who will bark at anybody they're told to bark at, on cue, and then go buy stuff at Wal Mart.


Your blog. Let me subscribe to it. Etc.
 
2014-04-18 02:31:46 PM  

Pangea: Your blog. Let me subscribe to it. Etc.


It's sort of new.   http://history-101.org/
 
2014-04-18 02:33:15 PM  

fickenchucker: I work with a guy who has 2 with his long-term girlfriend, a different girl here has one on the way, and a shiat-ton of divorced people who had kids within marriage.


Weird to think I'm becoming a minority:

White
College-educated
Married--never divorced, same with wife
Kids--all with wife, and all of hers with me
Same decent job for the last 18 years
Own a house
Own four cars
Kids going off to college
Have some savings


congratulations on all your success, but apparently you haven't been able to get out much but the times they are a changin'
 
2014-04-18 02:34:19 PM  

fickenchucker: WE HAVE A WINNER^^^^^^^^

It's not racist to state facts so they can be addressed.  It's bad for society for marriage to be so disrespected*.

*Of course this includes all races of married douchebags and douchebag-ettes who cheat--it's everyone's problem that weakens a stable society.


And just to be absolutely clear:

1) I in absolutely no way abhor the rise in female wages (with a minor quibble about just how flat male wages have been since we doubled the workforce, Asia started using the Asian growth strategy, and we imported a few tens of million (on the average) low-skill, no-speaka-the-Ingles Hispanics).  The addition of females to the workforce is a positive event.

2) I consider the "Guy's a wifebeater and I left him" to be a positive event.  I've got some issues with the super-high numbers (So Blacks are at 72% last I heard and that's really not good), but 0% is creepy.

3) Single Motherhood is probability, not destiny.  My parent by a single mother did WAY better than the parent by the married family (And the 13 kids).  Seriously, if single mother parent was inserted into the 13 kid family, they'd be 2nd, maybe 3rd in terms of "How well they did".  (Though only 1 of them ended up rich and only 1 guy ended up "poor", and the other 11 are all varying degrees of middle class, so meh).

4) And oh fark yeah, there's issues with it.  Republicans are totally 100% correct about this.  I disagree with their methods for fixing it, but issues.
 
2014-04-18 02:39:29 PM  

bunner: Pangea: Your blog. Let me subscribe to it. Etc.

It's sort of new.   http://history-101.org/


I was joking, but of course you knew that.

Will bookmark for later reading. Thanks!
 
2014-04-18 02:43:59 PM  

Pangea: bunner: Pangea: Your blog. Let me subscribe to it. Etc.

It's sort of new.   http://history-101.org/

I was joking, but of course you knew that.

Will bookmark for later reading. Thanks!


I hope to make it engaging, informative and offer a broader scope of the issues of economics and governance that "It sim dang kneegrahs!" or "Rethuglican pay tree ark keys!"  Cause that's all a load of muffins.
 
2014-04-18 02:48:41 PM  
than
 
2014-04-18 02:55:31 PM  
Great, they discovered they don't have to be married to drain you dry.
 
2014-04-18 03:05:23 PM  

bunner: Pangea: bunner: Pangea: Your blog. Let me subscribe to it. Etc.

It's sort of new.   http://history-101.org/

I was joking, but of course you knew that.

Will bookmark for later reading. Thanks!

I hope to make it engaging, informative and offer a broader scope of the issues of economics and governance that "It sim dang kneegrahs!" or "Rethuglican pay tree ark keys!"  Cause that's all a load of muffins.



You left out the other players. Do you know who the other players are?
 
2014-04-18 03:29:09 PM  
Well congrats fark you getting exactly the society that you have been fighting for 30 years to get. Feminists wanted men gone from child rearing except to pay...done. You wanted marriage to be devalued....done. Everything that throughout history has meant a stable and growing society is now gone. There are simply the beginning symptoms. You guys should all be proud of yourselves. Instead of tweaking things to make it better you completely chucked the baby into a grinder along with the bath water.
 
2014-04-18 04:05:31 PM  

Rand's lacy underwear: The number may be growing because of the number of women choosing to be single moms via adoption or sperm donors. However, the CDC did not release how many of the women make that choice.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that's not the real reason.


I'm going to join you on that limb and guess that single moms are far more accepted by society now, so they and the fathers don't get nearly as much pressure to get married to correct their 'mistake'.
 
2014-04-18 04:47:47 PM  

Mr. Right: At the risk of sounding judgmental, we know that children in single mother homes have about a single-digit percentage chance of NOT living in poverty.  We also know that children raised in single-mother homes are far more likely to drop out of school, have substance abuse problems, end up in prison, end up in long-term poverty, or (in the case of girls) end up as a single mother living in poverty.  Of course, not every child raised by a single mother ends up that way but the odds are certainly against a child in those circumstances.

Given that we know all of the above, why do we persist in welfare policies that subsidize and promote exactly that?  Why is there not a greater societal drive to hold fathers financially liable?  If one wants to see the unwed teen birthrate drop like a rock, institute a welfare policy that holds the parent or guardian financially liable for any and all children produced by teenage girls.  Have a policy that, unless the unwed mother is willing to identify the father and hold him liable, the child will be put up for adoption at birth.

It is immoral to punish the baby for the failures of the mother.  But we, as a society, need to rethink what constitutes the best environment for the child and hold parents more strictly accountable.


Not quite, but your really close.

I've been told by liberals that having a baby is a woman's choice. If it is her choice, it is therefor her responsibility. If she chooses to have a child while on any kind of subsidy, the govt should take that baby for the super soldier progrAm and tie that hoes tubes so she can't make the same mistake again.
 
2014-04-18 05:29:46 PM  
Tyrosine:

My "wife" and I have been together 25 years this September but never got married since neither of us are religious and don't see the necessity of the government recognizing / sanctioning our relationship. Both our kids are therefore bastards.

Newsflash:  You don't need the quotation marks around the word wife there.  Own up to the fact, already.
 
2014-04-18 06:06:02 PM  
Here is an article from the the New York Time which states the obvious, but is still worth reading:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/us/two-classes-in-america-divided- by -i-do.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Here's the money quote :


"Estimates vary widely, but scholars have said that changes in marriage patterns - as opposed to changes in individual earnings - may account for as much as 40 percent of the growth in certain measures of inequality. Long a nation of economic extremes, the United States is also becoming a society of family haves and family have-nots, with marriage and its rewards evermore confined to the fortunate classes.
"It is the privileged Americans who are marrying, and marrying helps them stay privileged," said Andrew Cherlin, a sociologist at Johns Hopkins University."
 
2014-04-18 06:50:13 PM  
fickenchucker:Smeggy Smurf: No gym in 26 minutes?  Slacker

You got me there--I do belong to the gym four blocks away, but haven't gone in two months.


That was one of the reasons why I chose to join a gym that costs a decent amount of money.  Not only are the wife and I seeing good results but we're not about to waste that kind of money.
 
2014-04-18 10:18:01 PM  

Mouser: Tyrosine:

My "wife" and I have been together 25 years this September but never got married since neither of us are religious and don't see the necessity of the government recognizing / sanctioning our relationship. Both our kids are therefore bastards.

Newsflash:  You don't need the quotation marks around the word wife there.  Own up to the fact, already.


Well, legally she's not my wife, she's my common-law partner. I generally wouldn't use the quotations, but in this context it seemed appropriate.
 
2014-04-18 10:23:24 PM  

Mr. Right: Tyrosine: My "wife" and I have been together 25 years this September but never got married since neither of us are religious and don't see the necessity of the government recognizing / sanctioning our relationship. Both our kids are therefore bastards.

From a religious perspective, there is no reason for you to get married.  However, a woman with whom I worked for several years told me the same thing.  She and her long-time significant other didn't need any stupid piece of paper to know that they were committed to each other.  And then he was killed in an industrial accident.  The company insurance policy, worth a couple hundred grand in his case, was payable to legal spouses, not live-in girl friends, regardless of length of relationship.   If he had wanted, he could have named her beneficiary.  But that's just one more rule he didn't think he should have to follow.  Had they been married, the benefits would have automatically passed.  End result?  She and her daughter got nothing. She no longer believes that marriage is worthless.


Yeah, laws vary depending on where you live. Here in Ontario common-law partners have the same rights as spouses with respect to child support, medial / end of life decisions, and leases, but not in terms of estates, division of property following separation, and spousal support. We've been sure to create wills and name beneficiaries on insurance policies accordingly.
 
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