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2014-04-18 02:09:59 PM  
In before the redneck Camaro crowd and the straight-line-shiatbox Mopar crowd.

/first car was an '83 GT.
 
2014-04-18 02:13:04 PM  

Scrotastic Method: In before the redneck Camaro crowd and the straight-line-shiatbox Mopar crowd.

/first car was an '83 GT.


Yes, but the Mustang was also shiatbox until 2005. Don't kid yourself.

Mustangs, historically, were terrible. The 60s models looked good, though.
 
2014-04-18 02:13:42 PM  
The current generation of the Mustang is the best vehicle in its class. The Camaro and Challenger can't even come close.
 
2014-04-18 02:13:53 PM  
They lost me from '74 thru '04
 
2014-04-18 02:18:08 PM  

Scrotastic Method: In before the redneck Camaro crowd and the straight-line-shiatbox Mopar crowd.

/first car was an '83 GT.


Yes...because everyone knows that mustangs handle so awesomely that it only took them 50 years to get all their cars having an independent rear suspension.  Pfft.  Solid axles are good for rock crawling and drag racing...oh and for keeping production costs down.

That said, the new mustangs should be pretty impressive now that they finally have a modern suspension.  I keep waiting for the Ecoboost 5.0.  The heads were designed so as to not preclude DI, but Ford probably couldn't sell many of them.  Twin-turbo DI 5.0 would just be amazing, but probably impossible to take advantage of short of a dragstrip.
 
2014-04-18 02:18:52 PM  
I still say the '65 Fastback is the most beautifully balanced car design in history:

blacktopcandys.com

The body was properly proportioned, the roofline was smooth.  Even as early as '66 or '67 they started
making increasing the volume of the chassis, to the point where it looked like it had been given too much
cortizone.

The early ones, though just look like they should go fast.
 
2014-04-18 02:20:39 PM  
I just don't like the long, swollen hoods. I feel like I'm driving from the trunk.

I did rent one of the 300 hp Mustangs last year for a run up to New Hampshire. Drove like an asshole all the way up and back. Much fun was had....

/did NOT like the auto trans lag time
//STOMP..pause..pause..."Oh, you want to GO?"
///woosh
 
2014-04-18 02:22:54 PM  

Explodo: Yes...because everyone knows that mustangs handle so awesomely that it only took them 50 years to get all their cars having an independent rear suspension.


The 2003 and 2004 Mustang Cobras are giving you the finger and laughing at you at the same time. Both years had a very competent and well performing IRS backend.

/Loved my '03 Cobra convertible.
 
2014-04-18 02:24:13 PM  

Caelistis: Explodo: Yes...because everyone knows that mustangs handle so awesomely that it only took them 50 years to get all their cars having an independent rear suspension.

The 2003 and 2004 Mustang Cobras are giving you the finger and laughing at you at the same time. Both years had a very competent and well performing IRS backend.

/Loved my '03 Cobra convertible.


Your reading comprehension is sitting in the corner and weeping about its tall pointy hat.  Note that I said ALL their cars.  I'm well aware of the hacked in Cobra IRSs and their many shortcomings due to them being designed around the car instead of vice-versa.
 
2014-04-18 02:27:19 PM  

Caelistis: Explodo: Yes...because everyone knows that mustangs handle so awesomely that it only took them 50 years to get all their cars having an independent rear suspension.

The 2003 and 2004 Mustang Cobras are giving you the finger and laughing at you at the same time. Both years had a very competent and well performing IRS backend.

/Loved my '03 Cobra convertible.


Both years look like a 1990's Honda Civic from the front.   From 1979 thru 2004, Mustangs were crap,   The people who bought the 2004 model and couldn't wait a year must be pissed.
 
2014-04-18 02:35:54 PM  

SquiggsIN: realmolo: Scrotastic Method: In before the redneck Camaro crowd and the straight-line-shiatbox Mopar crowd.

/first car was an '83 GT.

Yes, but the Mustang was also shiatbox until 2005. Don't kid yourself.

Mustangs, historically, were terrible. The 60s models looked good, though.

My dad traded his 70's (74?) Mustang for a 65' T-bird. That thing is a boat but, it's a lot of fun to drive.


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/agrees
 
2014-04-18 02:37:50 PM  

bark_atda_moon: From 1979 1974 thru 2004, Mustangs were crap, The people who bought the 2004 model and couldn't wait a year must be pissed.


FIxed, even allowing for the not-so-great years of '71-'73.
 
2014-04-18 02:41:35 PM  
Did a Camaro cost more than a Mustang?
 
2014-04-18 02:45:07 PM  

midigod: bark_atda_moon: From 1979 1974 thru 2004, Mustangs were crap, The people who bought the 2004 model and couldn't wait a year must be pissed.

FIxed, even allowing for the not-so-great years of '71-'73.



My mistake. 

I totally forgot that '74 through '78 was based off of the Pinto.
 
2014-04-18 02:47:29 PM  

bikerific: Did a Camaro cost more than a Mustang?


The '67 Camaro was aimed at the Bourgeois rich kids with nothing better to do than spend $2,466 of their trust fund money.  The '65 Mustang, on the other hand, was squarely aimed at the everyman trying to pull himself up by his wits and gumption.  That guy really had to scrape to come up with $2,372.

Study it out.
 
2014-04-18 02:47:35 PM  
I had a 69 Fastback with the 351C.  The fact that I no longer have it makes me sad until I remember I would probably be dead or in jail if I had kept it much longer.
 
2014-04-18 02:52:11 PM  
Wow, fark the entire 70s.
 
2014-04-18 02:53:37 PM  

Oliver Twisted: I had a 69 Fastback with the 351C.  The fact that I no longer have it makes me sad until I remember I would probably be dead or in jail if I had kept it much longer.


My dad had a '69 Mach 1 with a 390.  He and my mom both loved that car.  They got rid of it to get a more 'family' vehicle when the kids started coming.
 
2014-04-18 02:55:19 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The early ones, though just look like they should go fast.


What's the deal with all of the new "Muscle" cars looking like tanks from the side. I blame the Chrysler 500. All these cars look way to thick and clumsy.
The new charger is a complete disaster could possibly challenge the aztec for ugliest auto.

image.motortrend.com

image.motortrend.com

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-18 02:55:48 PM  
 
2014-04-18 03:02:39 PM  
Space Station Wagon:
What's the deal with all of the new "Muscle" cars looking like tanks from the side. I blame the Chrysler 500. All these cars look way to thick and clumsy.

It's because of the hood, mostly.

You see, they're required to have a sort of "hood crumple zone" to protect pedestrians - an extra six inches or so above the engine, for front-engined cars.

You can get away with it when you have a smaller, lower-profile engine, but anything with a larger mill will have a thick front.
 
2014-04-18 03:06:19 PM  

midigod: bikerific: Did a Camaro cost more than a Mustang?

The '67 Camaro was aimed at the Bourgeois rich kids with nothing better to do than spend $2,466 of their trust fund money.  The '65 Mustang, on the other hand, was squarely aimed at the everyman trying to pull himself up by his wits and gumption.  That guy really had to scrape to come up with $2,372.

Study it out.



A 67 Mustang Coupe (the cheapest), actually cost $2461.  The Camaro was still $5 more, so your point is still valid.
 
2014-04-18 03:08:05 PM  
In before the TransAm crowd.
 
2014-04-18 03:08:38 PM  

Space Station Wagon: What's the deal with all of the new "Muscle" cars looking like tanks from the side.



Federal side-impact requirements.  In modern cars there's basically a reinforcement bar along the bottom of the side of the windows that can't go any lower without adversely affecting crash test results.
 
2014-04-18 03:09:18 PM  
Mustangs could be pretty sweet, actually...

An ex-G/F had a 1971 Mach 1 with a 351 Cleveland, sadly she drove like someone's myopic granny. On the plus side, that meant that *I* had to take it out on the interstate every month or so and open it up to blow the carbon out of the engine. Take it up to 60 MPH and then stomp on the accelerator and watch the cloud of smoke recede in the rear-view mirror. Whee!
 
2014-04-18 03:11:09 PM  

Space Station Wagon: DjangoStonereaver: The early ones, though just look like they should go fast.

What's the deal with all of the new "Muscle" cars looking like tanks from the side. I blame the Chrysler 500. All these cars look way to thick and clumsy.
The new charger is a complete disaster could possibly challenge the aztec for ugliest auto.

[image.motortrend.com image 358x236]

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All of the resurrected muscle cars of the last few years all either look like someone rounded off a 60's era
Charger or an Aston Martin Vantage/Vanquish.

They have zero personality, but considering that they were designed by focus groups this is to be
expected.

/I'd prefer designs by committee, since at least the committees have some knowledge of the business
 
2014-04-18 03:13:35 PM  
Screw muscle cars, give me a farking E-Type Jaguar anyday of the week.

/Actually like the look of the current iteration of Dodge Challenger
//Drives a minivan
///Weep for me.
 
2014-04-18 03:18:02 PM  
They all look similar because safety regs require it.  It's also why they all weigh around 4000 lbs.
 
2014-04-18 03:24:21 PM  
DjangoStonereaver:

They have zero personality, but considering that they were designed by focus groups this is to be
expected.


Years ago, there was a "Zippy The Pinhead" cartoon where Griffy was ranting about how cars were once all about fins and fierce grills, and now they were all "round and inoffensive."

/ used to restore '60's era Cadillacs, and agrees.
// also knows it's engineering issues rather than style, and that the engineers do what they can with modern standards.
 
Ant
2014-04-18 03:32:44 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I still say the '65 Fastback is the most beautifully balanced car design in history:


In history?
silodrome.com
 
2014-04-18 03:41:04 PM  
The new Camaros look stupid.  They look like they come directly from the movie Cars.  In high-school Camaros were referred to as "early 80 white-trash mobiles" and most drivers accurately reflected that label.
 
2014-04-18 03:42:47 PM  

Explodo: Oliver Twisted: I had a 69 Fastback with the 351C.  The fact that I no longer have it makes me sad until I remember I would probably be dead or in jail if I had kept it much longer.

My dad had a '69 Mach 1 with a 390.  He and my mom both loved that car.  They got rid of it to get a more 'family' vehicle when the kids started coming.


Lots of power, little control.  Perfect for repeatedly starting a new family.
 
2014-04-18 03:47:30 PM  

Ant: DjangoStonereaver: I still say the '65 Fastback is the most beautifully balanced car design in history:

In history?
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(JamesMayMode ON)

I didn't say 'most beautiful' (though I'd put the early 'Stangs up against an AR any day), I said most
beautifully balanced.  There is, to my eye, a certain symmetry to the design from all angles, a
smoothness of the lines and a sleekness to the overall body that all seem to be ruled together perfectly
in service of the basic function of any motorcar:  going fast.

That particular AR is great sculpture, but its a bit too self-conscious of its own look.  Its a supermodel,
whereas the 'Stang is a cornfed girl-next-door. Both are beautiful, but the latter can often be more
alluring because if its lack of pretense.

(That, and I'm sure the AR spent a lot more time looking good while standing still.  It is an Alfa, after all.... ;-) )

My vote for the most beautiful car ever, though, has to go with the '65 Corvette Stingray convertable:

static.ddmcdn.com

/My father owned both, so I'm rather biased I will admit
 
2014-04-18 04:05:43 PM  
Um, no. The last Mustang was made in 1969. I don't know what those other pile of shiat are, but they're not Mustangs.
 
2014-04-18 04:09:54 PM  
I'm not a fan of Corvette's normally but this car is really growing on me.
Has to be in this color and the convertible.

s1.yimg.com
 
2014-04-18 04:16:49 PM  
Yeah, fark Chevytards and fark your mom, subtard.
 
2014-04-18 04:19:48 PM  

bark_atda_moon: Both years look like a 1990's Honda Civic from the front.


I never said they were beautiful. I thought mine was ugly as sin but it was sure as Hell fun to drive as a young 20something year old kid around the central Texas hill country. I never cared what the outside looked like when I was inside it behind the steering wheel. I couldn't find a better performing car new off the lot for $30k back then.
 
2014-04-18 04:36:30 PM  
Ah.  Mustang thread.  My dad bought mine when I was a few days short of 10 years old.  Learned to drive in it.  Went to college in it.  Still got that sucker.

See profile.  And get off my lawn.
 
2014-04-18 04:47:29 PM  

Explodo: Oliver Twisted: I had a 69 Fastback with the 351C.  The fact that I no longer have it makes me sad until I remember I would probably be dead or in jail if I had kept it much longer.

My dad had a '69 Mach 1 with a 390.  He and my mom both loved that car.  They got rid of it to get a more 'family' vehicle when the kids started coming.


I had a '69 Mach 1 351 and my dad had the 428 Cobra Jet. Ah, the good ol days....
 
2014-04-18 04:48:19 PM  

NeverUseAbsolutes: Ah.  Mustang thread.  My dad bought mine when I was a few days short of 10 years old.  Learned to drive in it.  Went to college in it.  Still got that sucker.

See profile.  And get off my lawn.


Now that, my good sir, is a Mustang. And a beauty, I might add.
 
2014-04-18 05:00:03 PM  

Space Station Wagon: I'm not a fan of Corvette's normally but this car is really growing on me.
Has to be in this color and the convertible.

[s1.yimg.com image 749x421]


I do like the looks of the most recent 'Vettes, but I still nurse the unreasoning belief that its not a proper
'Vette if it doesn't have flip-up headlights.

/Crap, I didn't shut out of JamesMayMode in my last post.....
 
2014-04-18 05:01:22 PM  
NeverUseAbsolutes:

Ah. Mustang thread. My dad bought mine when I was a few days short of 10 years old. Learned to drive in it. Went to college in it. Still got that sucker.

See profile. And get off my lawn.


Pretty car! My sister had a '64-1/2 that she loved until it got T-boned pulling out of a parking lot. The ex-G/F I mentioned upthread still has her '71 when I heard from her about a year ago.

I learned to drive in a beat-to-hell '71 Coupe de Ville I bought from a friend of a friend a year before I was legally able to drive in my state... (I lied about my age and was working before I was legal, had money before I had a license.) My parents were supportive... At Xmas I'd get 60 pound presents. "Oh boy! New brake rotors!" :)
 
2014-04-18 05:03:27 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Um, no. The last Mustang was made in 1969. I don't know what those other pile of shiat are, but they're not Mustangs.


...would like a word.

static.cargurus.com
 
2014-04-18 05:11:48 PM  

mark12A: I just don't like the long, swollen hoods. I feel like I'm driving from the trunk.

I did rent one of the 300 hp Mustangs last year for a run up to New Hampshire. Drove like an asshole all the way up and back. Much fun was had....

/did NOT like the auto trans lag time
//STOMP..pause..pause..."Oh, you want to GO?"
///woosh


Yeah, I had a '67 when I graduated, and we'd go out to a place in the desert to hang out, drink beer, whatever... Anyway, when pulling onto the state highway from the county road, you would go up a little, and with the long hood, I just had to take it as an article of faith that my tires were contacting the road, because I could see nothing.
 
2014-04-18 05:14:18 PM  

Bleyo: Wow, fark the entire 70s.


Um, have you learned about the 70's? Almost nobody made a ballsy sports car because we were suddenly faced with an energy crisis. The Trans Am and Corvette were almost all there was to offer. Ford actually wanted to kill off the Mustang, and people just wouldn't give up.

Besides, those Cobra II's are pretty bad-ass.
 
2014-04-18 05:17:32 PM  

Oliver Twisted: I had a 69 Fastback with the 351C.  The fact that I no longer have it makes me sad until I remember I would probably be dead or in jail if I had kept it much longer.


That's pretty much the car I want, but I want a convertible, just because the car that I fell in love with was a ragtop. Black on black with minimal chrome, tinted windows. Car looked awesome just sitting still. A few years back, there was one in front of people who had a house near a relative's home. Totally ready for a restoration, obviously it wasn't driveable, but it was a '69 and a convertible. Unfortunately, the next time we went to AZ, the people had moved, or I probably would have made an offer.
 
2014-04-18 05:19:14 PM  

fastbow: The current generation of the Mustang is the best vehicle in its class. The Camaro and Challenger can't even come close.


So, you're a girl?
 
2014-04-18 05:21:14 PM  
Ex-gf from many years ago had a 66.  Loved to work on that car, just an engine no other crap to deal with.  3-speed non synchronized trans.  It would move when asked.

/Miss that car, ex not so much and the wife is glad for that.
 
2014-04-18 05:23:01 PM  
1974-04 were ugly.
 
2014-04-18 05:42:42 PM  
mark12A:

I just don't like the long, swollen hoods. I feel like I'm driving from the trunk.

CS,B:

When I first got my '66 Coupe de Ville on the road I took some friends for a ride, and I'm pretty sure (well, actually *know*) the guy in the jump seat was tripping balls... He kept giggling about "it just goes on and on forever!" and we finally figured out he was talking about the hood of the car, which, carwise he wasn't too far off.

While on the topic of LSD-related car experiences, a very pretty and very high girl once commented from the back seat that that car smelled like Disneyworld. My other passenger said it must mean it reminded her of good clean fun... My thoughts were... You don't know the back seat of this car very well!
 
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