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(LA Times)   New data implicates Democrats in massive 12 million voter vote-buying scheme   (latimes.com) divider line 185
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2014-04-18 08:32:01 AM  
The newly insured also seem to reflect the nation's deep political divide over the health law; 54% are Democrats, while just 24% are Republicans.

farking idiots.  Either GOPpers were insured at a much higher rate prior to the law and, therefore, don't need to sign up in such large numbers, or they are a bunch of petulant children.
 
2014-04-18 08:35:59 AM  
No, subby, it's far worse than vote-buying; it is extortion and blackmail. The Democrats have rigged the system so that voting for a Republican could cost them their health insurance and thus potentially their very lives. The Dems are literally threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican.
 
2014-04-18 08:38:19 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The newly insured also seem to reflect the nation's deep political divide over the health law; 54% are Democrats, while just 24% are Republicans.

farking idiots.  Either GOPpers were insured at a much higher rate prior to the law and, therefore, don't need to sign up in such large numbers, or they are a bunch of petulant children.


Or half the nation's conservatives no longer want to self-identify as Republican, let's be fair.

/But yeah, it's probably mostly the petulant children thing.
 
2014-04-18 08:42:20 AM  

Delta1212: No, subby, it's far worse than vote-buying; it is extortion and blackmail. The Democrats have rigged the system so that voting for a Republican could cost them their health insurance and thus potentially their very lives. The Dems are literally threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican.


Not sure if serious . . .
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-18 08:45:48 AM  
Republicans really do think it unconstitutional vote buying if anyone uses taxpayer money to promote the common welfare of taxpayers.
 
2014-04-18 08:49:32 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The newly insured also seem to reflect the nation's deep political divide over the health law; 54% are Democrats, while just 24% are Republicans.

farking idiots.  Either GOPpers were insured at a much higher rate prior to the law and, therefore, don't need to sign up in such large numbers, or they are a bunch of petulant children.


[whynotboth.jpg]
 
2014-04-18 08:53:33 AM  

Delta1212: No, subby, it's far worse than vote-buying; it is extortion and blackmail. The Democrats have rigged the system so that voting for a Republican could cost them their health insurance and thus potentially their very lives. The Dems are literally threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican.


So death panels are actually local election boards?

It's finally starting to make sense!
 
2014-04-18 08:55:10 AM  

vpb: Republicans really do think it unconstitutional vote buying if anyone uses taxpayer money to promote the common welfare of taxpayers.


I don't know if it was Romney himself who said it, but that came up during the campaign.

Still doesn't make sense since you have to buy in or get penalized.  But whatevs.  I'm not sorting through a pile of shiat to find the smelliest turd.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-18 09:06:48 AM  
Diogenes:
I don't know if it was Romney himself who said it, but that came up during the campaign.

Still doesn't make sense since you have to buy in or get penalized.  But whatevs.  I'm not sorting through a pile of shiat to find the smelliest turd.


It does make sense if you realize that people who don't buy in can still get insurance after they get sick, and insurance works by having more healthy people pay in than sick.  If you eliminated the mandatory requirement then insurance for pre-existing conditions would have to go to or the whole system would fall apart.

Not having a requirement to be insured would be like allowing people who play the lottery to get refunds on losing tickets.  It wouldn't work financially.

.
 
2014-04-18 09:10:17 AM  
Nice headline, subby.
 
2014-04-18 09:12:35 AM  
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.



Someone needs to poll and see if Republicans support the above statement.


Also, have fun with Schoolhouse Rock on your brains all day, you're welcome.
 
2014-04-18 09:16:42 AM  

Generation_D: Also, have fun with Schoolhouse Rock on your brains all day, you're welcome.


I had to memorize and recite the preamble for like 7th or 8th grade.  But I already knew it from Schoolhouse Rock.  The hard part was pausing at the correct points and not where they did in the song.

Trickiest part was "...promote the general wel-fare-aa-annd..."

Sad story is most of my peers had to actually memorize it.  Even though were practically spoon fed it in candy form when were younger.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-18 09:22:00 AM  
Generation_D:

Someone needs to poll and see if Republicans support the above statement.


Also, have fun with Schoolhouse Rock on your brains all day, you're welcome.


The answer would be "no".  Usually the argument is that it is non-plenary (which is a non-sequitur but they aren't big on logic).
 
2014-04-18 09:23:17 AM  
I love you, Subbs.
 
2014-04-18 09:28:55 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Nice headline, subby.


Conservative writers are getting better at humor... truly amazing how long it takes.
 
2014-04-18 09:28:58 AM  

Delta1212: No, subby, it's far worse than vote-buying; it is extortion and blackmail. The Democrats have rigged the system so that voting for a Republican could cost them their health insurance and thus potentially their very lives. The Dems are literally threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican.


As long as they can stick it to the libs, we know which way they'll vote
 
2014-04-18 09:45:06 AM  

Delta1212: No, subby, it's far worse than vote-buying; it is extortion and blackmail. The Democrats have rigged the system so that voting for a Republican could cost them their health insurance and thus potentially their very lives. The Dems are literally threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican.


I love you almost as much as I love subby.

/no I don't
//more
 
2014-04-18 09:47:19 AM  

Diogenes: I don't know if it was Romney himself who said it, but that came up during the campaign


i.imgur.com

==

Hey now. He had his own problems here.
 
2014-04-18 09:50:23 AM  

Generation_D: Someone needs to poll and see if Republicans support the above statement.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-18 09:53:50 AM  

Somacandra: Diogenes: I don't know if it was Romney himself who said it, but that came up during the campaign

[i.imgur.com image 635x547]

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Hey now. He had his own problems here.


Oh don't even get me started on that.  The media largely gave him a free pass on that.

He basically claimed a loophole allowed him to do it in MA.  State Constitution allows it, Federal doesn't.

But he was rarely pressed on whether it was right.  The only time he was, he basically said that mandates with penalties for non-compliance were just great.

In what is now a well-known exchange from ABC News' January 2008 Republican presidential debate at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire, Mitt Romney declared "I like mandates" when asked by moderator Charlie Gibson about his approach to health care reform in Massachusetts.

But there's another moment from the debate that's getting more traction after yesterday's Supreme Court ruling - on in which

Romney says "yes," when asked is the health reform law he ushered in as governor constituted a tax.

GIBSON: "Governor ... you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?"

ROMNEY: "Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way; don't be free-riders."


The rest of the time he tried to hide behind the "states rights" canard.

I can't believe anyone was stupid enough to vote for that slimy, smug bastard.
 
2014-04-18 10:00:53 AM  
Once again, liberals find cause to celebrate about robbing proud patriots like me blind to pay for things that they cannot afford on their own, like cancer treatment.

The fact of the matter is that illness is your own fault. The basis of all of our laws and of civilization as a whole, the Bible, teaches that healthiness and well-being comes from being right with God. That means that only God decides your health, not doctors. Get right with God, and get healthy. Ignore god, and your sickness is your own doing. 0bamacare therefore is an attempt to deny God, which means that it is an Unconstitutional violation of my First Amendment right to worship Jesus Christ.
 
2014-04-18 10:01:50 AM  
And yet Republicans still have a good chance of riding the anti-Obamacare message to mid-term victory.


First, there is little correlation between a state's approval of the Affordable Care Act and how many people signed up for health insurance in that state. The latest polling on Affordable Care Act approval ratings were released on April 11 by Gallup. Kentucky residents have had an average Obamacare approval of 32 percent since 2010. However, the state was one of the biggest successes in signing up the uninsured. North Carolina also attracted many Obamacare sign-ups, yet average approval of the law is 38 percent. The law may continue to rack up successes, but they seem to be completely untethered to opinions of the law. This works to Republicans' advantage.

Another fact about Obamacare that helps Republicans, despite the national numbers that have been making the law look good? Many of the closest Senate elections are happening in states that didn't build their own exchanges or set up a partnership marketplace and didn't expand Medicare -- Kentucky excepted. Because of the decisions of state lawmakers, voters in these states didn't always benefit from the Affordable Care Act in the same way as the states that drove the large sign-up numbers announced yesterday. Harnessing the discontent of these voters is the number one reason that Republicans have no intention of backing away from their anti-Obamacare offensive.
 
2014-04-18 10:03:40 AM  

Diogenes: Somacandra: Diogenes: I don't know if it was Romney himself who said it, but that came up during the campaign

[i.imgur.com image 635x547]

==

Hey now. He had his own problems here.

Oh don't even get me started on that.  The media largely gave him a free pass on that.

He basically claimed a loophole allowed him to do it in MA.  State Constitution allows it, Federal doesn't.

But he was rarely pressed on whether it was right.  The only time he was, he basically said that mandates with penalties for non-compliance were just great.

In what is now a well-known exchange from ABC News' January 2008 Republican presidential debate at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire, Mitt Romney declared "I like mandates" when asked by moderator Charlie Gibson about his approach to health care reform in Massachusetts.

But there's another moment from the debate that's getting more traction after yesterday's Supreme Court ruling - on in which

Romney says "yes," when asked is the health reform law he ushered in as governor constituted a tax.

GIBSON: "Governor ... you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?"

ROMNEY: "Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way; don't be free-riders."

The rest of the time he tried to hide behind the "states rights" canard.

I can't believe anyone was stupid enough to vote for that slimy, smug bastard.


Governor Romney was attempting a wise gambit to "try out" the fundamentals of what would become 0bamacare, knowing that properly implementing it in full would result in complete disaster and thus turn off even the most liberaliest of states, Taxachusettes, from the idea. Unfortunately, other people in the state conspired to reduce the negative impact of the law there, such as by not implementing the death panels, and so the population only saw the supposedly good things. Also, because the tax rate of the state is already so high, no one noticed when their taxes went up to pay for it all, because tax hikes are just accepted there.
 
2014-04-18 10:04:57 AM  

Dimensio: Governor Romney was attempting a wise gambit to "try out" the fundamentals of what would become 0bamacare, knowing that properly implementing it in full would result in complete disaster and thus turn off even the most liberaliest of states, Taxachusettes, from the idea. Unfortunately, other people in the state conspired to reduce the negative impact of the law there, such as by not implementing the death panels, and so the population only saw the supposedly good things. Also, because the tax rate of the state is already so high, no one noticed when their taxes went up to pay for it all, because tax hikes are just accepted there.


Masterful unskewing!
 
2014-04-18 10:06:37 AM  
Slow clap for subby.
 
2014-04-18 10:07:20 AM  
I always get the LA Times and the Moonie Times confused, I'm reading that like wait this isn't some hit piece on the ACA...wtf is going on here.
 
2014-04-18 10:09:23 AM  

Delta1212: Or half the nation's conservatives no longer want to self-identify as Republican, let's be fair.


This one.

//They're Fark Independents™
 
2014-04-18 10:10:18 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The newly insured also seem to reflect the nation's deep political divide over the health law; 54% are Democrats, while just 24% are Republicans.

farking idiots.  Either GOPpers were insured at a much higher rate prior to the law and, therefore, don't need to sign up in such large numbers, or they are a bunch of petulant children.


There's something beautiful about people having to go without insurance to spite a man they'll never meet.
 
2014-04-18 10:12:13 AM  

Delta1212: No, subby, it's far worse than vote-buying; it is extortion and blackmail. The Democrats have rigged the system so that voting for a Republican could cost them their health insurance and thus potentially their very lives. The Dems are literally threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican.


Dude, I've known pocket ninja a loooong time.

You're no pocket ninja.
 
2014-04-18 10:13:03 AM  

Dimensio: Once again, liberals find cause to celebrate about robbing proud patriots like me blind to pay for things that they cannot afford on their own, like cancer treatment.

The fact of the matter is that illness is your own fault. The basis of all of our laws and of civilization as a whole, the Bible, teaches that healthiness and well-being comes from being right with God. That means that only God decides your health, not doctors. Get right with God, and get healthy. Ignore god, and your sickness is your own doing. 0bamacare therefore is an attempt to deny God, which means that it is an Unconstitutional violation of my First Amendment right to worship Jesus Christ.


You sound like people at a church I used to attend when they found out i had a brain tumor.  A lot of them said it was god punishing me for not believing in him more and giving more to the church. We  moved and found a nicer church that doesn't believe God likes giving people cancer.


/yes i know you trollin
//sad people really believe it though
 
2014-04-18 10:15:26 AM  
Democrats court 12 million people with (Republican based) policy changes...voter fraud, socialism, and sharia law.
Republicans court a single billionaire in vegas for his suggested policy changes regarding his business and a singular foreign country....bootstrappy Americanism!
 
2014-04-18 10:16:59 AM  

Dimensio: Once again, liberals find cause to celebrate about robbing proud patriots like me blind to pay for things that they cannot afford on their own, like cancer treatment.

The fact of the matter is that illness is your own fault. The basis of all of our laws and of civilization as a whole, the Bible, teaches that healthiness and well-being comes from being right with God. That means that only God decides your health, not doctors. Get right with God, and get healthy. Ignore god, and your sickness is your own doing. 0bamacare therefore is an attempt to deny God, which means that it is an Unconstitutional violation of my First Amendment right to worship Jesus Christ.


Study. It. Out.
 
2014-04-18 10:19:33 AM  

Headso: I always get the LA Times and the Moonie Times confused, I'm reading that like wait this isn't some hit piece on the ACA...wtf is going on here.


I'm glad that I'm not the only one.
 
2014-04-18 10:23:51 AM  

eagles95: Dimensio: Once again, liberals find cause to celebrate about robbing proud patriots like me blind to pay for things that they cannot afford on their own, like cancer treatment.

The fact of the matter is that illness is your own fault. The basis of all of our laws and of civilization as a whole, the Bible, teaches that healthiness and well-being comes from being right with God. That means that only God decides your health, not doctors. Get right with God, and get healthy. Ignore god, and your sickness is your own doing. 0bamacare therefore is an attempt to deny God, which means that it is an Unconstitutional violation of my First Amendment right to worship Jesus Christ.

You sound like people at a church I used to attend when they found out i had a brain tumor.  A lot of them said it was god punishing me for not believing in him more and giving more to the church. We  moved and found a nicer church that doesn't believe God likes giving people cancer.


/yes i know you trollin
//sad people really believe it though


If you make your mind and your body a garden of sin, then only the fruits of sin will grow in your body and mind. I make my body a garden for the Lord, a place to grow spiritual sustenance, so I have no fear that my mind will grow anything other than potato.
 
2014-04-18 10:24:44 AM  
I'm not even sure who is trolling who at this point.
 
2014-04-18 10:28:53 AM  
Subby
treasure.diylol.com
 
2014-04-18 10:29:01 AM  

PanicMan: I'm not even sure who is trolling who at this point.


We've reached Peak Poe.
 
2014-04-18 10:30:07 AM  
Obviously the only viable solution is to outlaw the democrat party.
 
2014-04-18 10:33:10 AM  
In business, having more customers than you can handle is "a good problem to have".

Apparently this doesn't apply to health care.
 
2014-04-18 10:33:42 AM  

vpb: Republicans really do think it unconstitutional vote buying if anyone uses taxpayer money to promote the common welfare of taxpayers.


Conversely, when they give away a token tax break of $100-150/year, they don't consider that to be buying votes.
 
2014-04-18 10:33:56 AM  
WOW, comments on that article are pants on head...
 
2014-04-18 10:34:02 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The newly insured also seem to reflect the nation's deep political divide over the health law; 54% are Democrats, while just 24% are Republicans.

farking idiots.  Either GOPpers were insured at a much higher rate prior to the law and, therefore, don't need to sign up in such large numbers, or they are a bunch of petulant children.


Or just stupid.  Why not all 3?
 
2014-04-18 10:36:55 AM  
The reality is that a lot of the people currently obtaining health insurance are getting that insurance through an expansion of Medicaid.  Medicaid is welfare, right?  Nope, medicaid is a LOAN.  Own a little house, or an old car?  Did you sign up for medicaid?  You don't own anything anymore.  Suckers.   http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/will-medicaid-take-my - house-when-i-die/index.htm
 
2014-04-18 10:38:01 AM  

Heraclitus: WOW, comments on that article are pants on head...


My favorite was the one about Michelle getting her tooth caught in an elevator so she is pissed and now wants the White House to be called the Black House.

double ewe tea eff?
 
2014-04-18 10:39:20 AM  

Delta1212: No, subby, it's far worse than vote-buying; it is extortion and blackmail. The Democrats have rigged the system so that voting for a Republican could cost them their health insurance and thus potentially their very lives. The Dems are literally threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican.


Are you sure it's not the Republicans threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican?
 
2014-04-18 10:40:18 AM  

Delta1212: No, subby, it's far worse than vote-buying; it is extortion and blackmail. The Democrats have rigged the system so that voting for a Republican could cost them their health insurance and thus potentially their very lives. The Dems are literally threatening millions of people with death if they vote Republican.


I'm not sure threatening people who vote Republican is their end game, otherwise they wouldn't be simultaneously setting up death panels.  They're just trying to rig the system so everybody dies.
 
2014-04-18 10:41:28 AM  
And those comments just prove people won't believe what they don't want to believe. False numbers. Lying. Conflated. Trick questions to get the answer they want. Whatever. I should study it out.
 
2014-04-18 10:41:44 AM  

Fissile: The reality is that a lot of the people currently obtaining health insurance are getting that insurance through an expansion of Medicaid.  Medicaid is welfare, right?  Nope, medicaid is a LOAN.  Own a little house, or an old car?  Did you sign up for medicaid?  You don't own anything anymore.  Suckers.   http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/will-medicaid-take-my - house-when-i-die/index.htm


"at this point the possibility of the government snatching your house out from under your heirs is more theoretical than real and should not stop you from enrolling in Medicaid if your income qualifies you for it."

"But here's the kicker: You'll only be subject to this grab, called "estate recovery," for the years you were on expanded Medicaid and 55 or older."

"So should you take Medicaid or not?
Absolutely yes, even if you live in one of the states that may raid your estate when you die. If your income qualifies you for Medicaid, you aren't eligible to get tax credits to buy private insurance. Going without health insurance is a terrible idea, can land you in huge debt that could well force you to raid your assets right away, and make it difficult if not impossible to get timely care if you should fall seriously ill.
Also, in all but a handful of states, expanded Medicaid is being delivered through private insurance companies that are paid a premium for each enrollee, so the most your estate would have to pay back is the cost of that premium.
Finally, I have serious doubts that states will really follow through on this once the public figures out what's going on. My evidence comes from the state of Washington, which had been advising its newly enrolled Medicaid recipients that if they were 55 or older, the state "may recover from your estate assets you own at the time of death."  That is, until the Seattle Times wrote articles about it and people started refusing to sign up for Medicaid. The state Medicaid agency issued an emergency rule rescinding the policy at warp speed."

Congratulations. Your own link refutes you better than I could possibly be bothered to. It's a state-by-state basis that remains theoretical, and in most cases the most that would be gone after would be health insurance premiums if that ever actually happens. It's something that hasn't happened yet, is being preemptively fought, depends heavily on each state's policy, and is yet another ranting scare tactic that takes a problem that could be constructively addressed if you didn't immediately jump into that amounts to "death panel" territory.
 
2014-04-18 10:42:21 AM  

Fissile: The reality is that a lot of the people currently obtaining health insurance are getting that insurance through an expansion of Medicaid.  Medicaid is welfare, right?  Nope, medicaid is a LOAN.  Own a little house, or an old car?  Did you sign up for medicaid?  You don't own anything anymore.  Suckers.   http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/will-medicaid-take-my - house-when-i-die/index.htm


Man I hope nobody takes my stuff after I die.
 
2014-04-18 10:42:31 AM  

Dimensio: Once again, liberals find cause to celebrate about robbing proud patriots like me blind to pay for things that they cannot afford on their own, like cancer treatment.

The fact of the matter is that illness is your own fault. The basis of all of our laws and of civilization as a whole, the Bible, teaches that healthiness and well-being comes from being right with God. That means that only God decides your health, not doctors. Get right with God, and get healthy. Ignore god, and your sickness is your own doing. 0bamacare therefore is an attempt to deny God, which means that it is an Unconstitutional violation of my First Amendment right to worship Jesus Christ.


Poe slaw, I know, but damned if I don't have to have this exact conversation anytime I visit my extended family...
 
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