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(The Raw Story)   Republican Methodist governor with Sikh parents lashes out on Facebook in defense of Jewish appointee accused of being an atheist. Oooh that's a BINGO   (rawstory.com) divider line 73
    More: Asinine, Jewish, Nikki Haley, Facebook, South Carolina, United States Senate committees, governors, state Department of Social Services, atheists  
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2014-04-18 09:33:37 AM
I read that article looking for a "NTTAWWT," but I suppose that was Pollyannaish of me.
 
2014-04-18 09:36:02 AM
Sometimes I feel like all our reps and whatnot in this state do is have Twitter and Facebook spats.  I went into this story hoping that at least Gov. Haley would have done something good but no this is two allies having a social-media slapfight.

Why is Koller's defeat of Jake Knotts a unifying moment for these two, you might ask?  Former State Senator Knotts famously quipped that "we have a raghead in the Oval Office and now we'll have a raghead in the Governor's mansion."  What a f*cking choad.
 
2014-04-18 09:55:42 AM
No one is "accused of being a Christian."

Just saying, people who complain about how oppressive atheists are in the first world.
 
2014-04-18 09:58:34 AM
I knew she sucks, but she also sucks.
 
2014-04-18 09:59:28 AM
... while she was told Koller was Jewish, she "can't verify that one way or another."

That's farking scary.
 
2014-04-18 09:59:57 AM
Red state problems.
 
2014-04-18 10:01:44 AM

Wellon Dowd: ... while she was told Koller was Jewish, she "can't verify that one way or another."

That's farking scary.


yeah, I was like, that's easy, just pull down his pants.
 
2014-04-18 10:06:46 AM

factoryconnection: Sometimes I feel like all our reps and whatnot in this state do is have Twitter and Facebook spats.  I went into this story hoping that at least Gov. Haley would have done something good but no this is two allies having a social-media slapfight.

Why is Koller's defeat of Jake Knotts a unifying moment for these two, you might ask?  Former State Senator Knotts famously quipped that "we have a raghead in the Oval Office and now we'll have a raghead in the Governor's mansion."  What a f*cking choad.


Ah yes South Carolina.  Nice place to visit, wouldn't want to live there again.
 
2014-04-18 10:06:56 AM
Didn't Tom Lehrer do a song about this once...
 
2014-04-18 10:17:03 AM
Jewish by birth, atheist by belief.

// just like 30%* of Jews
// number may be rectally extracted
 
2014-04-18 10:22:25 AM

Wellon Dowd: ... while she was told Koller was Jewish, she "can't verify that one way or another."

That's farking scary.


I believe she may be expressing frustration that there isn't some sort of badge that they wear, or to be more fashionable and with the times, a tat.

/Sorry
//Couldn't resist
 
2014-04-18 10:26:47 AM
"accused of being an atheist"

/What in the actual f*ck?
 
2014-04-18 10:29:48 AM
"I care about the children of SC and I don't give a flying flip what the Director is... Well that is not true either, I would worry if she were atheist..."

Why is this so funny to me? It just seems so absurd, I don't know what else to do but laugh.
 
2014-04-18 10:30:39 AM

Dr Dreidel: Jewish by birth, atheist by belief.

// just like 30%* of Jews
// number may be rectally extracted


You can stop being a Christian really easily. You can't stop being a Jew even if you stop believing in god. Mostly because it would disappoint your mother.

/No matter how secular humanist or pagan I get, I can't stop sprinkling Yiddish into my vocabulary, which gets extra weird with my slight rural PA hick drawl.
 
2014-04-18 10:32:06 AM

Facetious_Speciest: "I care about the children of SC and I don't give a flying flip what the Director is... Well that is not true either, I would worry if she were atheist..."

Why is this so funny to me? It just seems so absurd, I don't know what else to do but laugh.


Tragedy is me getting a paper cut. Comedy is someone falling into an open manhole and dying. Tragic comedy is the de facto (and in state constitutions, de jure) use of religious tests for candidates for public office in many states in a country that explicitly says in its constitution no religious tests will be administered to hold public office.
 
2014-04-18 10:41:12 AM
At least no one was accused of being a Samaritan. Those people are filthy heathens incapable of doing any good and don't deserve to be treated as neighbors.
 
2014-04-18 10:44:53 AM
So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.
 
2014-04-18 10:51:33 AM
But while Shealy initially denied having a problem if Shealy were an atheist or not...

Well, THAT makes total sense...

"I care about the children of SC and I don't give a flying flip what the Director is... Well that is not true either, I would worry if she were atheist but I was told she wasn't so why would they bring that back up?? Maybe they need to explain that to me?"

So she doesn't care if the person is an atheist, yet she would be "worried"?
 
2014-04-18 10:51:42 AM

Bloody William: You can stop being a Christian really easily. You can't stop being a Jew even if you stop believing in god. Mostly because it would disappoint your mother.

/No matter how secular humanist or pagan I get, I can't stop sprinkling Yiddish into my vocabulary, which gets extra weird with my slight rural PA hick drawl.


QFT. No matter how irreligious I am, you can't unlearn 16 formative years' worth of philosophy, textual analysis, lectures, and themes.

// and had a raucous time with my still-religious family at both seders, both of which went past midnight
// A++++ would exodus again
 
2014-04-18 10:52:38 AM
I believe all of them are required to register in East Ukraine.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-18 10:54:19 AM

Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.


I'm surprised that it is now okay to be Jewish in SC.

I wonder if it is yet okay to be Black, though.
 
2014-04-18 10:57:00 AM
She is Jewish and the daughter of Holocaust survivors.

Yeah, probably an atheist.
 
2014-04-18 10:57:17 AM

Facetious_Speciest: "I care about the children of SC and I don't give a flying flip what the Director is... Well that is not true either, I would worry if she were atheist..."

Why is this so funny to me? It just seems so absurd, I don't know what else to do but laugh.


I'm trying to figure out why, of all things, being a director of a social services department requires you to be religious. It's not an elected position, you're appointed. Where do your beliefs change what you do? You don't author or pass legislation. You don't represent any individuals. You're just a boss, doing a job, and following the laws of the state. What the fark is the issue?

Personally, I think personal religious beliefs should have zero bearing on any public official, but I understand why someone would not vote for an atheist, due to the voter's personal world views, however right or wrong others may perceive those views to be.
 
2014-04-18 10:59:48 AM

theteacher: I'm surprised that it is now okay to be Jewish in SC




Would you be surprised to find out that South Carolina has the second oldest synagogue in the US, and the oldest in continuous use?
 
2014-04-18 11:00:32 AM

Dr Dreidel: Jewish by birth, atheist by belief.

// just like 30%* of Jews
// number may be rectally extracted


You consistently forget to point out a characteristic of Judaism that surprises Christians: Faith/belief not required.
 
2014-04-18 11:11:13 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dr Dreidel: Jewish by birth, atheist by belief.

// just like 30%* of Jews
// number may be rectally extracted

You consistently forget to point out a characteristic of Judaism that surprises Christians: Faith/belief not required.


Required?  Like in sola fide?  No.  But come on, it's not like Psalms and Job aren't in the Torah, even if they're translated a little different.  They make clear indications about the importance of faith.  And I seem to recall some similar elements of Kings and Joshua.
 
2014-04-18 11:13:15 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dr Dreidel: Jewish by birth, atheist by belief.

// just like 30%* of Jews
// number may be rectally extracted

You consistently forget to point out a characteristic of Judaism that surprises Christians: Faith/belief not required.


Depending on what you mean, I'm not sure I follow.

// but I also don't want to derail the topic of SC Republicans being total asshammers
 
2014-04-18 11:23:40 AM
What's wrong with being an atheist?
 
hej
2014-04-18 11:25:15 AM
I like how we're framing atheism as if it's criminal.
 
Ant
2014-04-18 11:28:35 AM
Oh no! An elected official who doesn't believe that a man* nailed to a board 2000 years ago came back to life and listens to your thoughts? She has no business being a politician!

*who was actually the son of a god, or possibly the god himself, which means he was his own son
 
2014-04-18 11:30:58 AM

Dr Dreidel: Jewish by birth, atheist by belief.

// just like 30%* of Jews
// number may be rectally extracted


My sister in law dated an Atheist French Jew.  He hated being called Jewish and wanted to be called French, as he was from Provence.

My father in law is an anti-Semite and he was very confused for a moment.

//end csb
 
2014-04-18 11:31:06 AM

Dr Dreidel: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dr Dreidel: Jewish by birth, atheist by belief.

// just like 30%* of Jews
// number may be rectally extracted

You consistently forget to point out a characteristic of Judaism that surprises Christians: Faith/belief not required.

Depending on what you mean, I'm not sure I follow.

// but I also don't want to derail the topic of SC Republicans being total asshammers


I think he means that Christianity is only a religion and not also an ethnicity.
 
2014-04-18 11:32:06 AM

kbronsito: At least no one was accused of being a Samaritan. Those people are filthy heathens incapable of doing any good and don't deserve to be treated as neighbors.


Hey, some of my best friends are Samaritans!
 
Ant
2014-04-18 11:32:14 AM

meat0918: What's wrong with being an atheist?


Absolutely nothing. I bet there are quite a few closeted atheist politicians.
 
2014-04-18 11:33:33 AM

Ant: meat0918: What's wrong with being an atheist?

Absolutely nothing. I bet there are quite a few closeted atheist politicians.


And priests, pastors, and ministers.
 
2014-04-18 11:33:39 AM
To paraphrase Colin Powell, the correct answer would be "No, she's not," but the *right* answer would be "Why would that matter?"
 
2014-04-18 11:35:00 AM

theteacher: Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.

I'm surprised that it is now okay to be Jewish in SC.

I wonder if it is yet okay to be Black, though.


Ooohhh immagine a black atheist in SC!
 
2014-04-18 11:36:56 AM

Bloody William: You can't stop being a Jew even if you stop believing in god. Mostly because it would disappoint your mother.


My grandma did, and because of it the only vestigate of Judiasm that I have left is the male gential mutilation they force upon infants.
 
2014-04-18 11:36:58 AM

kbronsito: At least no one was accused of being a Samaritan. Those people are filthy heathens incapable of doing any good and don't deserve to be treated as neighbors.


Bravo.
 
2014-04-18 11:37:03 AM

Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.


South Carolina Constitution:

SECTION 2. Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office.

No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution. (1972 (57) 3181; 1973 (58) 83.)

 http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a06.php
 
2014-04-18 11:39:30 AM

OooShiny: Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.

South Carolina Constitution:

SECTION 2. Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office.

No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution. (1972 (57) 3181; 1973 (58) 83.)

 http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a06.php


It's also unconstitutional.
 
2014-04-18 11:44:14 AM
There's something humorously rewarding about a South Carolina politician having to find a way to tell the base, "No, no, no!!! Don't be stupid now!!"
 
2014-04-18 11:45:17 AM

OooShiny: Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.

South Carolina Constitution:

SECTION 2. Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office.

No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution. (1972 (57) 3181; 1973 (58) 83.)

 http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a06.php


Holy Christ that is scary
 
2014-04-18 11:46:29 AM

meat0918: Ant: meat0918: What's wrong with being an atheist?

Absolutely nothing. I bet there are quite a few closeted atheist politicians.

And priests, pastors, and ministers.


A good buddy of mine is a rabbi and an atheist.

// not to be confused with The Atheist Rabbi, who officiated at another friend's wedding
 
2014-04-18 11:51:11 AM

meat0918: OooShiny: Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.

South Carolina Constitution:

SECTION 2. Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office.

No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution. (1972 (57) 3181; 1973 (58) 83.)

 http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a06.php

It's also unconstitutional.


Sure, but the actual enforcement of that might be a bit dicey. If you win your election, but the state certifies your opponent as the winner because you're an atheist, what remedy could the courts effect? I don't think they're empowered to undo the certification and force the legislature to seat someone.
 
2014-04-18 11:51:36 AM

OooShiny: Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.

South Carolina Constitution:

SECTION 2. Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office.

No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution. (1972 (57) 3181; 1973 (58) 83.)

 http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a06.php


Disgusting, but that would never hold up in a federal Court.
 
2014-04-18 11:54:58 AM

cc_rider: OooShiny: Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.

South Carolina Constitution:

SECTION 2. Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office.

No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution. (1972 (57) 3181; 1973 (58) 83.)

 http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a06.php

Disgusting, but that would never hold up in a federal Court.


Can the federal courts order a state legislature to seat someone? I have no doubt that a federal court would find that provision unconstitutional, but I'm not sure they'd be able to remedy the situation.
 
2014-04-18 12:01:19 PM

meat0918: OooShiny: Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.

South Carolina Constitution:

SECTION 2. Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office.

No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution. (1972 (57) 3181; 1973 (58) 83.)

 http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a06.php

It's also unconstitutional.


It's also very specific.  SC constitution does not say you can't deny ANY supreme being, it says you cannot deny THE supreme being.  Am curious which religion they're mandating here.  Also curious how many Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Sikhs and Buddhists are elected officials in South Carolina.
 
2014-04-18 12:06:10 PM

qorkfiend: cc_rider: OooShiny: Tricky Chicken: So just as long as we get this clear: It is cool if you are Methodist, Sikh, or Jewish in this case.  Just so long as you aren't an atheist.

South Carolina Constitution:

SECTION 2. Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office.

No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution. (1972 (57) 3181; 1973 (58) 83.)

 http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a06.php

Disgusting, but that would never hold up in a federal Court.

Can the federal courts order a state legislature to seat someone? I have no doubt that a federal court would find that provision unconstitutional, but I'm not sure they'd be able to remedy the situation.


I'm no expert, but I assume the supremacy clause would mean they could? I mean would there be no remedy if a state legislature refused to certify all black election winners?
 
2014-04-18 12:09:51 PM

hej: I like how we're framing atheism as if it's criminal.


farking-A.
 
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