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2014-04-18 10:30:30 AM  
Everest Shrugged?

In other news they think they detected one of Malaysian flight 370's black boxes pinging but were unable to locate it under all the snow.
 
2014-04-18 10:40:02 AM  

Nidiot: rikkitikkitavi: Nidiot: rikkitikkitavi: You sound fat, lazy and unmotivated by personal accomplishments.

I am indeed. If my "accomplishments" don't provide something tangible after my efforts, I'm not doing it.

Building something, renovating something, creating something, restoring something, discovering something, that's impressive. Climbing a mountain is just a dangerous way of amusing yourself. Marathons, triathlons etc, they're also just ways of amusing yourself, but at least a bunch of sherpas don't have to die to help keep you amused. Personal achievements like that do nothing to improve the world in any way, so pat yourself on the back all you like, but don't expect anyone else to care.

I'll go out on a limb and venture you've done none of those things, either. But you're super quick to project your personal misgivings deploring someone else's accomplishments in order to feel better.

Put down the keyboard, and go run a mile or climb a hill. You'd be surprised what it does for your personal self worth. Much more than mouthing off in an online chat forum about how insignificant summitting the highest peak in the world is.

Your out on a limb venture is incorrect. Also my self worth is not dependent on either chat forums or climbing hills.

You can think the people who climb Everest are marvellous people who have achieved greatness. I'll continue to think they are a bunch of people who have done no more than a lot of other people, and as a result are nothing terribly special, except that they have the added bonus of putting other people's lives at risk just for their own amusement, which shows a lack of respect for others that I am not impressed with.

I'm not required to like or agree with your opinions, and you are not required to like or agree with mine, but we still get to have them regardless.

Also, since your initial appearance in this thread was to call someone else "fat, lazy and unmotivated" it's amusing that you complain of my "mouthing off". If t ...


Put down the keyboard.

You are in fact an idiot.
 
2014-04-18 10:44:31 AM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: My guess is that 99.9% of people who climbed Everest will let you know about it within the first few minutes of talking to them.


Why is it that marathon runners, triathletes, climbers, etc all have to let you know the most intimate details of their personal accomplishments?  Have some modesty for f*ck's sake.

/and f*ck your stupid little 26.2 sticker
 
2014-04-18 10:51:04 AM  
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2014-04-18 10:53:11 AM  

DecemberNitro: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: My guess is that 99.9% of people who climbed Everest will let you know about it within the first few minutes of talking to them.

Why is it that marathon runners, triathletes, climbers, etc all have to let you know the most intimate details of their personal accomplishments?  Have some modesty for f*ck's sake.

/and f*ck your stupid little 26.2 sticker


They don't all.  You just hear from the loud ones, ipso facto.
 
2014-04-18 10:55:06 AM  

xhavier_5478: DrunkenBob: phenn: syrynxx: It's hard to muster great sympathy for people who risk their life to climb a rock.

My brother is talking about doing this. He's already scaled Pike's Peak 50 or so times. I really, really hate the idea. I mean a lot.

As you should.  Pike's Peak does not have a death zone.  Has he climbed any other mountains at all, or does he just hike up that one and has convinced himself all mountain climbs are just like that?

There are actually techical ascents up pikes peak, that can be a good training ground for major ascents, but I wouldn't jump from there to Everest by any means.


What a technical ascent of Pike's Peak may look like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y3OFf0ArU
 
2014-04-18 11:02:13 AM  

LordJiro: Perhaps the saddest thing is that, likely, none of the bodies will ever be returned home.


13 bodies brought back to base camp.  Three injured evacuated by helicopter.  Seven still missing.  This happened just above base camp, not up high.
 
2014-04-18 11:19:46 AM  

Mose: DecemberNitro: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: My guess is that 99.9% of people who climbed Everest will let you know about it within the first few minutes of talking to them.

Why is it that marathon runners, triathletes, climbers, etc all have to let you know the most intimate details of their personal accomplishments?  Have some modesty for f*ck's sake.

/and f*ck your stupid little 26.2 sticker

They don't all.  You just hear from the loud ones, ipso facto.


Exactly just like the ones who compete in a half Ironman and get the Ironman tattoo and tell everyone I did the XXX Ironman,

/Not a runner bad knees, have done the bike section of a half Ironman as part of a relay team, people were actually asking me afterwards if I was getting a tattoo.
 
2014-04-18 11:22:27 AM  

borg: bikerbob59: Drudge:  "Six killed in Everest avalanche."
Link to site: "At least 12 Nepalese guides killed in worst-ever Everest accident"

So the linked story updated while drudge hadn't yet?


the fark headline still says 10 missing.  drudge now says 13 killed.
 
2014-04-18 11:48:10 AM  
They have to be dead by now, for sherpa.
 
2014-04-18 11:51:09 AM  

DecemberNitro: Why is it that marathon runners, triathletes, climbers, etc all have to let you know the most intimate details of their personal accomplishments? Have some modesty for f*ck's sake.

/and f*ck your stupid little 26.2 sticker

A little more than 500,000 people in the USA complete a marathon in a given year, placing the accomplishment at a bit above 1% of the population. That's fairly notable; especially considering the massive amount of obesity and general lethargy we've allowed to overtake our nation.

/should get a 39.3 sticker to fark with people like you
//loves climbing mountains too
 
2014-04-18 11:58:34 AM  

Gunboat: Krustofsky: Here you go: [christinahendrix.jpg]

Thank you, sir.

/Pardon me, need to go rub one out.  Back soon.


You are welcome.

/doesn't know the appeal of climbing so high and putting peoples' lives at risk.
//boobies are a different story
 
2014-04-18 12:09:45 PM  

MrSteve007: DecemberNitro: Why is it that marathon runners, triathletes, climbers, etc all have to let you know the most intimate details of their personal accomplishments? Have some modesty for f*ck's sake.

/and f*ck your stupid little 26.2 sticker
A little more than 500,000 people in the USA complete a marathon in a given year, placing the accomplishment at a bit above 1% of the population. That's fairly notable; especially considering the massive amount of obesity and general lethargy we've allowed to overtake our nation.

/should get a 39.3 sticker to fark with people like you
//loves climbing mountains too


Out of that 500,000, I bet a good half of them I would smoke in a 10k. I see an awful lot of fat people "running" races just so they can put a 13.1 or 26.2 sticker on the window of their minivan/SUV. Some treat races like fun runs. The worst is the Peachtree Road Race (I know, 10K, not a marathon). There are fat and out of shape people all over that course. Congrats to the real runners of marathons, but for most folks it is an unneccessary task - and perhaps even harmful.

FWIW. I was running a fast paced 5K (about a 6-6:30 minute mile pace) 4-5 times a week around a one mile course that had an 85 foot climb on it. I stopped a year ago for two reasons. I was wanting to lift more and look better - I was way too thin, and my left knee was beginning to get farked.

/ I am 48
 
2014-04-18 12:19:11 PM  

Gunboat: phenn: syrynxx: It's hard to muster great sympathy for people who risk their life to climb a rock.

My brother is talking about doing this. He's already scaled Pike's Peak 50 or so times. I really, really hate the idea. I mean a lot.

I realize there is some sense of accomplishment involved and I'm sure it's exhilarating. But, it's just too farking dangerous and there's plenty of other fascinating things one could be doing.

Why can't you boys play with teddy bears??

;-)

Read Into Thin Air.  Wonderfully written and, in your case, it'll just increase your fears.  It's about a Mt. Everest hike gone awry.  The book is really good.
http://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Air-Personal-Disaster/dp/0385494785/ re f=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397822829&sr=1-1&keywords=into+thin+air



Another good companion book to this is High Crimes, a book about the huge racket that the Everest Climb has become. Adventure start ups rip people off for hundreds of thousands to sell the most dangerous climb on earth as the equivalent of going to Kings Island. The Sherpas aren't always the good guys, as they frequently extort climbers, people rip off each other's supplies and naive people with absolutely no climbing experience come back permanently crippled from altitude sickness.

What the CNN article failed to note was 2013 was a very deadly year with 12 deaths. The number of deaths climb exponentially because more and more people are doing the climb. It's getting so bad that many countries are putting age and disability restrictions to stop people from trying to be the "first 90 year old" or "first quadriplegic" to scale Everest.
 
2014-04-18 12:38:54 PM  

LordJiro: Perhaps the saddest thing is that, likely, none of the bodies will ever be returned home.


If it's any consolation, they are Buddhist, so it truly doesn't matter to them.
 
2014-04-18 12:40:57 PM  

JK8Fan: They bought their ticket. I say, let em die


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While that is usually reserved for ironic situations, in this case, I repeat the sentiments without irony

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2014-04-18 12:52:48 PM  

JK8Fan: Out of that 500,000, I bet a good half of them I would smoke in a 10k. I see an awful lot of fat people "running" races just so they can put a 13.1 or 26.2 sticker on the window of their minivan/SUV.

Oh, I agree. Especially on the half marathons. I've found it's mostly the TiT (Team in Training) people - walking side-by-side and swinging their arms everywhere. By the time you get to the 26.2, the chubby runners "thin" out quite a bit, especially by the time you reach the finish line. And for ultra-marathons, beyond 26.2 miles, you have to be in really good shape to finish.

There's a big difference between a 3 or 6 mile run and a full marathon. I've found that I can do a pretty good job at maintaining the 7 minute mile pace on a short race, but I can only maintain 12 min-miles on the 26 mile runs. I run a lot with my brother, who's comparatively quite fast, being able to maintain 9 min miles for full marathons. At that pace, he's typically in the top 15% of finishers. I'm happy in the top half.
 
2014-04-18 12:59:09 PM  
The slide destroyed a section of fixed ropes and ladders in the upper Khumbu Icefall, leaving an estimated 100 people in the Western Cwm with no prepared route back down the mountain. Helicopters have been dispatched to assist in rescues.

so if the fixed ropes and ladders aren't available, the only way they can get back down is via helicopter?
 
2014-04-18 01:04:47 PM  

Astorix: The Sherpas aren't always the good guys, as they frequently extort climbers, people rip off each other's supplies and naive people with absolutely no climbing experience come back permanently crippled from altitude sickness.


how do you become permanently crippled from altitude sickness?  altitude sickness seems temporary - unless you die.  that part is permanent.  but how do you become crippled permanently from it but not dead?
 
2014-04-18 01:19:15 PM  
A part of me would love to do Everest. I mean seriously, for all the talk of how "easy" it is, it's a biatch of a thing to do and it's the highest point on Earth. Imagine the views. But the odds of death are absolutely abysmal, just crazy high. There are literally a million amazingly cool things you could do that when combined still have better odds of survival.

I've done Rainier, most likely the highest I will ever go. It was awesome.
 
2014-04-18 01:40:28 PM  
Meh.. it's kind of nice to see mother nature fark with the climbers.. anyone able body (and a couple of disabled)  can climb this by chucking money at it.  Ladders, oxygen tanks, GPS, up to the minute weather forecasting..

If you want to accomplish it..  do it like Sir Edmund..

Mountain climbing is for egomaniac's, so they can have something else to talk about...I only feel bad for the Sherpa's the rest of the climber's can join green boots.
 
2014-04-18 01:57:22 PM  

Astorix: Gunboat: phenn: syrynxx: It's hard to muster great sympathy for people who risk their life to climb a rock.

My brother is talking about doing this. He's already scaled Pike's Peak 50 or so times. I really, really hate the idea. I mean a lot.

I realize there is some sense of accomplishment involved and I'm sure it's exhilarating. But, it's just too farking dangerous and there's plenty of other fascinating things one could be doing.

Why can't you boys play with teddy bears??

;-)

Read Into Thin Air.  Wonderfully written and, in your case, it'll just increase your fears.  It's about a Mt. Everest hike gone awry.  The book is really good.
http://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Air-Personal-Disaster/dp/0385494785/ re f=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397822829&sr=1-1&keywords=into+thin+air


Another good companion book to this is High Crimes, a book about the huge racket that the Everest Climb has become. Adventure start ups rip people off for hundreds of thousands to sell the most dangerous climb on earth as the equivalent of going to Kings Island. The Sherpas aren't always the good guys, as they frequently extort climbers, people rip off each other's supplies and naive people with absolutely no climbing experience come back permanently crippled from altitude sickness.

What the CNN article failed to note was 2013 was a very deadly year with 12 deaths. The number of deaths climb exponentially because more and more people are doing the climb. It's getting so bad that many countries are putting age and disability restrictions to stop people from trying to be the "first 90 year old" or "first quadriplegic" to scale Everest.


No, if you go by fatalities per summit, that would be Annapurna, mostly in avalanches.  K2 is much harder and more dangerous, as are lots of other high summits.
 
2014-04-18 01:59:21 PM  
letthebutthurtflow:

Mountain climbing is for egomaniac's and people who like mountain climbing, so they can have something else to talk about...I only feel bad for the Sherpa's the rest of the climber's can join green boots.

FTFY.  People who enjoy it do actually exist.
 
2014-04-18 03:36:52 PM  

SlothB77: Astorix: The Sherpas aren't always the good guys, as they frequently extort climbers, people rip off each other's supplies and naive people with absolutely no climbing experience come back permanently crippled from altitude sickness.

how do you become permanently crippled from altitude sickness?  altitude sickness seems temporary - unless you die.  that part is permanent.  but how do you become crippled permanently from it but not dead?




The mechanics of altitude sickness are quite gruesome. People have brain & lung swelling that causes a tendency towards strokes, heart attacks. Same as the bends. Once a person has the bends, hey permanently have a tendency to have problems with strokes.

Also people have lost toes, fingers, hands & feet from the severe frost bite.

Just got finished seeing "Summit" on Netflix about the 11 people who died at the K2 summit in 2008. The Documentary talks more in length about one of the survivors, named Marco who has no fingers toes now.

Not for the faint of heart.
 
2014-04-18 03:42:16 PM  

Mose: Astorix: Gunboat: phenn: syrynxx: It's hard to muster great sympathy for people who risk their life to climb a rock.

My brother is talking about doing this. He's already scaled Pike's Peak 50 or so times. I really, really hate the idea. I mean a lot.

I realize there is some sense of accomplishment involved and I'm sure it's exhilarating. But, it's just too farking dangerous and there's plenty of other fascinating things one could be doing.

Why can't you boys play with teddy bears??

;-)

Read Into Thin Air.  Wonderfully written and, in your case, it'll just increase your fears.  It's about a Mt. Everest hike gone awry.  The book is really good.
http://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Air-Personal-Disaster/dp/0385494785/ re f=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397822829&sr=1-1&keywords=into+thin+air


Another good companion book to this is High Crimes, a book about the huge racket that the Everest Climb has become. Adventure start ups rip people off for hundreds of thousands to sell the most dangerous climb on earth as the equivalent of going to Kings Island. The Sherpas aren't always the good guys, as they frequently extort climbers, people rip off each other's supplies and naive people with absolutely no climbing experience come back permanently crippled from altitude sickness.

What the CNN article failed to note was 2013 was a very deadly year with 12 deaths. The number of deaths climb exponentially because more and more people are doing the climb. It's getting so bad that many countries are putting age and disability restrictions to stop people from trying to be the "first 90 year old" or "first quadriplegic" to scale Everest.

No, if you go by fatalities per summit, that would be Annapurna, mostly in avalanches.  K2 is much harder and more dangerous, as are lots of other high summits.


You're right that the percentage of deaths on K2 & Annapurna are much higher. It's just that Everest has a higher number of people trying to scale it so the sheer number of deaths are more numerous.

In the documentary Summit, which is about the k2 accident of 2008, one of the things the doc tells about isnan astonishing 1 in 4 climbers die. Looking at the peak of k2 you see why. The peak is much narrower, steeper, the bottleneck is super small and the ice shelf there is brutal. What a treacherous mountain.
 
2014-04-18 03:48:46 PM  
I'll climb Mt Everest after they install an escalator.
 
2014-04-18 04:48:27 PM  
I enjoy a bit of mountain/alpine climbing myself - but I don't think I would ever do Everest..
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But I would love to experience the climb to reach the top of Vinson Massif. I don't think you could get to a more isolated mountain.
 
2014-04-18 07:47:57 PM  
phenn:  No, there have been others. I just couldn't name them for you at the moment.

I am relieved that he has actual climbing skills and experience with other mountains.  Still, you have my sympathies over his fixation on danger.  You should pick up a dangerous hobby yourself and show him how it feels on the other end.
 
2014-04-18 08:03:16 PM  

DrunkenBob: phenn:  No, there have been others. I just couldn't name them for you at the moment.

I am relieved that he has actual climbing skills and experience with other mountains.  Still, you have my sympathies over his fixation on danger.  You should pick up a dangerous hobby yourself and show him how it feels on the other end.


Well, I did let my husband cut my hair once...
 
2014-04-18 08:41:01 PM  
A few deaths every few years keeps the allure alive. While these may be considered acceptable losses, I consider it abominable.
 
2014-04-18 09:23:38 PM  

phrawgh: A few deaths every few years keeps the allure alive. While these may be considered acceptable losses, I consider it abominable.


Snowman should have to die for others entertainment.
 
2014-04-19 01:55:45 AM  

JK8Fan: MrSteve007: DecemberNitro: Why is it that marathon runners, triathletes, climbers, etc all have to let you know the most intimate details of their personal accomplishments? Have some modesty for f*ck's sake.

/and f*ck your stupid little 26.2 sticker
A little more than 500,000 people in the USA complete a marathon in a given year, placing the accomplishment at a bit above 1% of the population. That's fairly notable; especially considering the massive amount of obesity and general lethargy we've allowed to overtake our nation.

/should get a 39.3 sticker to fark with people like you
//loves climbing mountains too

Out of that 500,000, I bet a good half of them I would smoke in a 10k. I see an awful lot of fat people "running" races just so they can put a 13.1 or 26.2 sticker on the window of their minivan/SUV. Some treat races like fun runs. The worst is the Peachtree Road Race (I know, 10K, not a marathon). There are fat and out of shape people all over that course. Congrats to the real runners of marathons, but for most folks it is an unneccessary task - and perhaps even harmful.

FWIW. I was running a fast paced 5K (about a 6-6:30 minute mile pace) 4-5 times a week around a one mile course that had an 85 foot climb on it. I stopped a year ago for two reasons. I was wanting to lift more and look better - I was way too thin, and my left knee was beginning to get farked.

/ I am 48


You know nobody cares, right?
 
2014-04-19 07:58:38 AM  

Nidiot: rikkitikkitavi: Nidiot: rikkitikkitavi: You sound fat, lazy and unmotivated by personal accomplishments.

I am indeed. If my "accomplishments" don't provide something tangible after my efforts, I'm not doing it.

Building something, renovating something, creating something, restoring something, discovering something, that's impressive. Climbing a mountain is just a dangerous way of amusing yourself. Marathons, triathlons etc, they're also just ways of amusing yourself, but at least a bunch of sherpas don't have to die to help keep you amused. Personal achievements like that do nothing to improve the world in any way, so pat yourself on the back all you like, but don't expect anyone else to care.

I'll go out on a limb and venture you've done none of those things, either. But you're super quick to project your personal misgivings deploring someone else's accomplishments in order to feel better.

Put down the keyboard, and go run a mile or climb a hill. You'd be surprised what it does for your personal self worth. Much more than mouthing off in an online chat forum about how insignificant summitting the highest peak in the world is.

Your out on a limb venture is incorrect. Also my self worth is not dependent on either chat forums or climbing hills.

You can think the people who climb Everest are marvellous people who have achieved greatness. I'll continue to think they are a bunch of people who have done no more than a lot of other people, and as a result are nothing terribly special, except that they have the added bonus of putting other people's lives at risk just for their own amusement, which shows a lack of respect for others that I am not impressed with.

I'm not required to like or agree with your opinions, and you are not required to like or agree with mine, but we still get to have them regardless.

Also, since your initial appearance in this thread was to call someone else "fat, lazy and unmotivated" it's amusing that you complain of my "mouthing off". If there is to be some biatching going on, everyone gets to have a go, it's only fair.


You're wrong. If you set foot on the summit of Everest, you're a hero.
 
2014-04-19 09:00:56 AM  

RancidSorbet: JK8Fan: MrSteve007: DecemberNitro: Why is it that marathon runners, triathletes, climbers, etc all have to let you know the most intimate details of their personal accomplishments? Have some modesty for f*ck's sake.

/and f*ck your stupid little 26.2 sticker
A little more than 500,000 people in the USA complete a marathon in a given year, placing the accomplishment at a bit above 1% of the population. That's fairly notable; especially considering the massive amount of obesity and general lethargy we've allowed to overtake our nation.

/should get a 39.3 sticker to fark with people like you
//loves climbing mountains too

Out of that 500,000, I bet a good half of them I would smoke in a 10k. I see an awful lot of fat people "running" races just so they can put a 13.1 or 26.2 sticker on the window of their minivan/SUV. Some treat races like fun runs. The worst is the Peachtree Road Race (I know, 10K, not a marathon). There are fat and out of shape people all over that course. Congrats to the real runners of marathons, but for most folks it is an unneccessary task - and perhaps even harmful.

FWIW. I was running a fast paced 5K (about a 6-6:30 minute mile pace) 4-5 times a week around a one mile course that had an 85 foot climb on it. I stopped a year ago for two reasons. I was wanting to lift more and look better - I was way too thin, and my left knee was beginning to get farked.

/ I am 48

You know nobody cares, right?


Apparently, you did enough to respond.

You probably do the same little act with all the chicks that dumped your ass over the years. "BTW, I don't care about you anymore"
 
2014-04-19 09:04:06 AM  

AbiNormal: phrawgh: A few deaths every few years keeps the allure alive. While these may be considered acceptable losses, I consider it abominable.

Snowman should have to die for others entertainment.

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