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(CBS New York)   Eight-year-old girl gets surprise package from Amazon in the mail. Fark: It contains two boxes of condoms and Amazon won't tell her parents who the anonymous sender is, unless they get a a subpoena. Cops: It "might" be considered harassment   ( newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line
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2014-04-18 02:24:29 AM  

FormatSlacker: Jz4p: I don't care what TFA says. Amazon is well within their rights to not disclose that information without a subpoena. That said, with an 8 year old girl involved, someone should probably get on issuing one of those.

I'm cool with amazon not disclosing the information as long as we're clear that they are to be considered complicit and liable with respect to any developments in the case.  They can either say, "We had nothing to do with this, we are just an intermediate, here is the guy you want to talk to if you have any questions about the intent of the package" or they can accept joint responsiblity for shipping the condoms to the girl.  They don't get to do something on behalf of a third party, completely disavow responsibility for what they did, but then also refuse to name the responsible party they acted on behalf of.


It is a clear cut case of illegal delivery of condoms to a minor. Also the only thing that can compel evidence on a nonvoluntary basis is a... subpoena.
 
2014-04-18 02:25:29 AM  

pyrotek85: theflatline: Yes this is dog: mrlewish: By refusing to release without a subpoena Amazon is actually helping the couple. Hint, hint, Amazon wants a subpoena served so they can cross all the Ts and dot all the Is so what ever happens to the dirt bag that sent it sticks instead of being suppressed should a case arise.

It also washes Amazon's hands of any liability if the jerk who sent the condoms ends up having a little 'accident.'

Exactly,

I work for a major telco as a tech manager.  And I get tons of esclated calls about "you need to tell me the text messages, emails, what apps they are using etc"

And I always say "if your life is in danger then call the cops and have them call me" .

If I gave out the information I would be liable as the company if something happened.

The other day I got a call because a lady had her text message to voice reading turned on.

Turned out she was sitting on the couch with her husband and her lover texted her and the phone read a pretty explicit text message, and she was going to sue me, the company, and Samsung, because of her own stupidity.

Yeah I don't understand the Amazon hate here. It's not like anyone's life is in immediate danger, so they should go through the proper channels and procedures. It shouldn't be easy for them to just fork over personal information like that.


Exactly, we turn over records as soon as court/lawyer contacts us with proper documentation.

I had a call yesterday.  Customer lost her iphone(iphone customers the worst) and she said "you need to tell me where my phone is" I responded did she have her find my iphone app installed.  "no because I do not want people tracking me" Yet she was asking us to do the same thing.
 
2014-04-18 02:29:33 AM  

DerpHerder: FormatSlacker: Jz4p: I don't care what TFA says. Amazon is well within their rights to not disclose that information without a subpoena. That said, with an 8 year old girl involved, someone should probably get on issuing one of those.

I'm cool with amazon not disclosing the information as long as we're clear that they are to be considered complicit and liable with respect to any developments in the case.  They can either say, "We had nothing to do with this, we are just an intermediate, here is the guy you want to talk to if you have any questions about the intent of the package" or they can accept joint responsiblity for shipping the condoms to the girl.  They don't get to do something on behalf of a third party, completely disavow responsibility for what they did, but then also refuse to name the responsible party they acted on behalf of.

It is a clear cut case of illegal delivery of condoms to a minor. Also the only thing that can compel evidence on a nonvoluntary basis is a... subpoena.


I'm gonna have to ask for a citation on that one. Wouldn't Planned Parenthood be in jail if it were illegal to give condoms to minors?
 
2014-04-18 02:30:23 AM  

pyrotek85: Yeah I don't understand the Amazon hate here. It's not like anyone's life is in immediate danger, so they should go through the proper channels and procedures. It shouldn't be easy for them to just fork over personal information like that.


The name of the person who's sending my 8 year old daughter stuff in the mail is personal information?  I have the right to know that.  She's a minor.  I don't need an address, SSN, or credit card number.  A simple name is fine.
 
2014-04-18 02:34:38 AM  

Poowaddins: I am sick to death of the "But won't someone think of the precious snowflakes!" bandwagon in America these days. My parents would have laughed their arses off and donated the condoms to the health department's bucket-o-free condoms.


Exactly - you have a choice: teach yr kids to laugh at life and it's eccentricities, or teach them to be drama queens who over-react to trivia, and have no perspective when something really worth worrying about pops over the horizon
 
2014-04-18 02:43:01 AM  

propasaurus: Bathia_Mapes: phaseolus: Sounds like a prank a 10 year old would pull. It'll be a kid or a couple of kids at her school who did this.

Possibly, but they would have to have access to a debit or credit card to order it from Amazon.

If is someone at her school then it's more likely an adult.

Amazon gift card


Even easier: lazy parents have Amazon password on auto-complete in browser.
 
2014-04-18 02:46:17 AM  

Jz4p: I don't care what TFA says.  Amazon is well within their rights to not disclose that information without a subpoena.  That said, with an 8 year old girl involved, someone should probably get on issuing one of those.


It would be SUPER cool if they helped the mother get a subpoena (some sort of easy readme.txt etc...)
I support Amazons stand, but it is not illegal to help them legally.

// Kinda agree with the ideas (previously posted by others) that its probably another kid with an amazon gift card
/ Wonders how much my local cost for a helium tank would be, that would be funnier than my childhood use of condoms (water bombs)
 
2014-04-18 02:49:37 AM  

theflatline: propasaurus: Bathia_Mapes: phaseolus: Sounds like a prank a 10 year old would pull. It'll be a kid or a couple of kids at her school who did this.

Possibly, but they would have to have access to a debit or credit card to order it from Amazon.

If is someone at her school then it's more likely an adult.

Amazon gift card

She might have the same name as her whore mom, and mom is pinning it on the kid


FTFA:

The package was addressed to their daughter, Gianna.

"There was no explanation behind it," Christine Angelides said. "Until I get answers, I don't know what to make of it."



Quite the charmer, you are.
 
2014-04-18 03:09:01 AM  

mrlewish: By refusing to release without a subpoena Amazon is actually helping the couple. Hint, hint, Amazon wants a subpoena served so they can cross all the Ts and dot all the Is so what ever happens to the dirt bag that sent it sticks instead of being suppressed should a case arise.


Stop being reasonable.  This is Fark, for goodness sake!
 
2014-04-18 03:12:32 AM  
Wanted for questioning:

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/eight-year-olds, Dude...
 
2014-04-18 03:22:45 AM  

mrlewish: By refusing to release without a subpoena Amazon is actually helping the couple


That's my take, and it looks like the couple took their hint and contacted the police. So, it seems like law enforcement are actually the ones not interested in solving this mystery. I'm all for being proactive when it comes to keeping children safe, but real predators probably don't ship boxes of condoms to their target's house. This is probably pretty safely in "prank" territory, and the cops seem to agree.
 
2014-04-18 03:40:56 AM  

ReverendJasen: pyrotek85: Yeah I don't understand the Amazon hate here. It's not like anyone's life is in immediate danger, so they should go through the proper channels and procedures. It shouldn't be easy for them to just fork over personal information like that.

The name of the person who's sending my 8 year old daughter stuff in the mail is personal information?  I have the right to know that.  She's a minor.  I don't need an address, SSN, or credit card number.  A simple name is fine.


I have to disagree. I don't understand why being a minor has anything to do with it. I would not expect nor think I have a right to any information from a merchant about another customer, even his or her name. If you want to make it a legal issue, that's another matter entirely.
 
Skr
2014-04-18 03:41:26 AM  
I read the family's last name as Astroglide instead of Angelides  at first skim of the article. Added a different spin to the story.


Angelides could mean something even weirder though.
 
2014-04-18 03:50:33 AM  

FDR Jones: ReverendJasen: pyrotek85: Yeah I don't understand the Amazon hate here. It's not like anyone's life is in immediate danger, so they should go through the proper channels and procedures. It shouldn't be easy for them to just fork over personal information like that.

The name of the person who's sending my 8 year old daughter stuff in the mail is personal information?  I have the right to know that.  She's a minor.  I don't need an address, SSN, or credit card number.  A simple name is fine.

I have to disagree. I don't understand why being a minor has anything to do with it. I would not expect nor think I have a right to any information from a merchant about another customer, even his or her name. If you want to make it a legal issue, that's another matter entirely.


It's pretty farked up if you can't get the name of someone who sent you something. At that point they have involved you in the transaction.
 
2014-04-18 03:54:19 AM  
Y'all do realize that the Postal Service delivers things with no return address all the time, right? There's nothing unique about Amazon's involvement in this. The pervert could just as easily have bought a couple packs of condoms cash, put them in some packaging with the correct address and adequate postage, and sent it anonymously that way. Or just anonymously stuffed them in the mailbox in the middle of the night. Corporations are often the source of evil, but not always.
 
2014-04-18 03:55:33 AM  
Who's been a bad girl?
 
2014-04-18 03:58:35 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Y'all do realize that the Postal Service delivers things with no return address all the time, right? There's nothing unique about Amazon's involvement in this. The pervert could just as easily have bought a couple packs of condoms cash, put them in some packaging with the correct address and adequate postage, and sent it anonymously that way. Or just anonymously stuffed them in the mailbox in the middle of the night. Corporations are often the source of evil, but not always.


But that would honestly be anonymous with no account attached to it because it's a free service. there wouldn't be any way to identify the sender.
 
2014-04-18 04:05:02 AM  
damn near 70 comments and no one asked if she was hot. ya'll are slipping.
I'm proud of you all for once.
I was fearing this thread.
 
2014-04-18 04:14:58 AM  

FDR Jones: I have to disagree. I don't understand why being a minor has anything to do with it. I would not expect nor think I have a right to any information from a merchant about another customer, even his or her name. If you want to make it a legal issue, that's another matter entirely.


It's not about getting information about a customer.  It's finding out who is secretly sending shiat to my home.
Why is it important to protect the anonymity of that person?
 
2014-04-18 04:19:51 AM  

Fafai: HotWingAgenda: Y'all do realize that the Postal Service delivers things with no return address all the time, right? There's nothing unique about Amazon's involvement in this. The pervert could just as easily have bought a couple packs of condoms cash, put them in some packaging with the correct address and adequate postage, and sent it anonymously that way. Or just anonymously stuffed them in the mailbox in the middle of the night. Corporations are often the source of evil, but not always.

But that would honestly be anonymous with no account attached to it because it's a free service. there wouldn't be any way to identify the sender.


Postage isn't free where I come from. And I can think of at least one convicted mass murderer that will tell you there are ways to track down the senders of anonymous packages.
 
2014-04-18 04:34:57 AM  

mod3072: My brother had a weird incident a few years ago. He got a rather large charge on his debit card that he didn't make. Several days later, a box arrived at our parent's house, addressed to him (he was in his early 20's and going to school and hadn't lived with the folks for a few years). The box contained a high-end pocket pussy, a nice watch, some personal lubricants, and a box of "fancy" condoms. He never did figure out who did it (or so he claims). The bank ate most of the charge, but my mom had to take the box of goodies to our local, very-small-town bank and turn them in. I kind of wish I could have been there to see that.


I'm sure your brother would never order that and mistakenly have it delivered to his billing address.
 
2014-04-18 04:37:26 AM  
Ya know, I look at pics of Brookes Shields when she was 8 and I can't help but think she was....

naaah
 
2014-04-18 04:52:30 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Y'all do realize that the Postal Service delivers things with no return address all the time, right? There's nothing unique about Amazon's involvement in this. The pervert could just as easily have bought a couple packs of condoms cash, put them in some packaging with the correct address and adequate postage, and sent it anonymously that way. Or just anonymously stuffed them in the mailbox in the middle of the night. Corporations are often the source of evil, but not always.


And on that topic, couldn't the beleaguered family seal the box, go to the carrier (UPS, FedEx, USPS, etc.) and have it returned?  When I worked for UPS the deliveree has the option to return it if the item is wrong, broken or whathaveyou.

If anything, they should enclose a thank you to the anonymous for raising the spectre of sexual education to their young girl, and prepare her for puberty with a frank discussion involving birds and bees.
 
2014-04-18 04:54:11 AM  

theflatline: propasaurus: Bathia_Mapes: phaseolus: Sounds like a prank a 10 year old would pull. It'll be a kid or a couple of kids at her school who did this.

Possibly, but they would have to have access to a debit or credit card to order it from Amazon.

If is someone at her school then it's more likely an adult.

Amazon gift card

She might have the same name as her whore mom, and mom is pinning it on the kid


Someone didn't RTFA.
 
2014-04-18 05:03:56 AM  

FormatSlacker: ... or they can accept joint responsiblity for shipping the condoms to the girl.  They don't get to do something on behalf of a third party, completely disavow responsibility for what they did, but then also refuse to name the responsible party they acted on behalf of.


...do what now?

"If you use any Amazon Service, you are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your account and password and for restricting access to your computer, and you agree to accept responsibility for all activities that occur under your account or password. Amazon does sell products for children, but it sells them to adults, who can purchase with a credit card or other permitted payment method. If you are under 18, you may use the Amazon Services only with involvement of a parent or guardian."

"Are Children Allowed to Use Amazon.com?
Amazon.com does not sell products for purchase by children. We sell children's products for purchase by adults. If you are under 18, you may use Amazon.com only with the involvement of a parent or guardian."

"We release account and other personal information when we believe release is appropriate to comply with the law (read: when presented with a subpoena or warrant); enforce or apply our Conditions of Use and other agreements; or protect the rights, property, or safety of Amazon.com, our users, or others "

Amazon Terms of Use and Privacy Policy which it took me less than two seconds to Google.

By your logic, any and every retailer on the planet should accept responsibility for selling condoms, rope, handcuffs. shovels, knives, adult diapers, duct tape, trash bags, bleach, etc. to anyone on the planet with cash or a credit card, whether they're buying them for legitimate reasons or because they plan on driving from Texas to Florida to kill their boyfriend's wife/girlfriend/whatever the hell the crazy astronaut was gonna do.

Amazon is one of the biggest retailers in the world. I'm sure they called up the NSA and asked whether or not the recipient of a small order was 18--because I just know two boxes of condoms was the biggest order that crossed their system all year.
 
2014-04-18 05:10:01 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Y'all do realize that the Postal Service delivers things with no return address all the time, right? There's nothing unique about Amazon's involvement in this. The pervert could just as easily have bought a couple packs of condoms cash, put them in some packaging with the correct address and adequate postage, and sent it anonymously that way. Or just anonymously stuffed them in the mailbox in the middle of the night. Corporations are often the source of evil, but not always.


You do realize that Amazon packages arrive with Amazon's return address on the label, right? ;)
 
2014-04-18 05:10:17 AM  

Yes this is dog: Who orders condoms from Amazon?


Let's imagine for a moment that you're a child in the 8-10 years old range. How do you think most store personnel would react if you tried to buy a pack of condoms?

Whereas ordering them online isn't going to get you a crapload of questioning from concerned adults.
 
2014-04-18 05:12:26 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Yes this is dog: Who orders condoms from Amazon?

Let's imagine for a moment that you're a child in the 8-10 years old range. How do you think most store personnel would react if you tried to buy a pack of condoms?

Whereas ordering them online isn't going to get you a crapload of questioning from concerned adults.


Until mom and dad check their Amazon recent orders list. :O
 
2014-04-18 05:13:48 AM  

knedgecko: It's condoms, not a land mine. Explain to the kid that they are something for adults and move on.


I imagine the concern is more about the person who sent them and why, not just the package itself.
 
2014-04-18 05:21:20 AM  

mod3072: My brother had a weird incident a few years ago. He got a rather large charge on his debit card that he didn't make. Several days later, a box arrived at our parent's house, addressed to him (he was in his early 20's and going to school and hadn't lived with the folks for a few years). The box contained a high-end pocket pussy, a nice watch, some personal lubricants, and a box of "fancy" condoms. He never did figure out who did it (or so he claims). The bank ate most of the charge, but my mom had to take the box of goodies to our local, very-small-town bank and turn them in. I kind of wish I could have been there to see that.


Sounds like the same virus I got on my computer a few years ago, for like a few months at around 2-3am it was randomly ordering the stupidiest stuff off amazon, ebay and various porn sites.  I tried to stay up and catch it in the act but always end up blacking out after a few beers so I suspect it was displaying some pattern on the screen during this time, I'd always just wake in my chair to an inbox of order receipts and open browser tabs.  I cured it by installing openBSD, you can't do nothing on openBSD.  Phew.
 
2014-04-18 05:34:34 AM  

Gawdzila: I imagine the concern is more about the person who sent them and why, not just the package itself


Yep

If it's an adult sending condoms to an 8 year old child I want to know that person's name and why they sent them to a little kid.
 
2014-04-18 05:53:56 AM  

fusillade762: DerpHerder: FormatSlacker: Jz4p: I don't care what TFA says. Amazon is well within their rights to not disclose that information without a subpoena. That said, with an 8 year old girl involved, someone should probably get on issuing one of those.

I'm cool with amazon not disclosing the information as long as we're clear that they are to be considered complicit and liable with respect to any developments in the case.  They can either say, "We had nothing to do with this, we are just an intermediate, here is the guy you want to talk to if you have any questions about the intent of the package" or they can accept joint responsiblity for shipping the condoms to the girl.  They don't get to do something on behalf of a third party, completely disavow responsibility for what they did, but then also refuse to name the responsible party they acted on behalf of.

It is a clear cut case of illegal delivery of condoms to a minor. Also the only thing that can compel evidence on a nonvoluntary basis is a... subpoena.

I'm gonna have to ask for a citation on that one. Wouldn't Planned Parenthood be in jail if it were illegal to give condoms to minors?


I must have been mistaken there are in fact no such laws.
 
GBB
2014-04-18 06:05:05 AM  
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hilariously appropriate
 
2014-04-18 06:06:11 AM  

Poowaddins: I am sick to death of the "But won't someone think of the precious snowflakes!" bandwagon in America these days. My parents would have laughed their arses off and donated the condoms to the health department's bucket-o-free condoms.


Yes, but in my mind this is pretty similar to the ancient trope of sticking a dagger in someone's front door.  I'm usually dead set against nervous parents, but I can't blame them for considering this might be a real threat.

Also, she's 8-years-old.  This doesn't sound like an 8-year-old's prank.  Maybe a 13-year-old's.  I doubt she goes to school with people that age.  No, it sounds like an adult doing this, which means someone who probably knows who she is.
 
2014-04-18 06:18:31 AM  

DerpHerder: fusillade762: DerpHerder: FormatSlacker: Jz4p: I don't care what TFA says. Amazon is well within their rights to not disclose that information without a subpoena. That said, with an 8 year old girl involved, someone should probably get on issuing one of those.

I'm cool with amazon not disclosing the information as long as we're clear that they are to be considered complicit and liable with respect to any developments in the case.  They can either say, "We had nothing to do with this, we are just an intermediate, here is the guy you want to talk to if you have any questions about the intent of the package" or they can accept joint responsiblity for shipping the condoms to the girl.  They don't get to do something on behalf of a third party, completely disavow responsibility for what they did, but then also refuse to name the responsible party they acted on behalf of.

It is a clear cut case of illegal delivery of condoms to a minor. Also the only thing that can compel evidence on a nonvoluntary basis is a... subpoena.

I'm gonna have to ask for a citation on that one. Wouldn't Planned Parenthood be in jail if it were illegal to give condoms to minors?

I must have been mistaken there are in fact no such laws.


Welcome to Fark. Admitting wrongness is the first step.
 
2014-04-18 06:38:55 AM  

nymersic: Poowaddins: I am sick to death of the "But won't someone think of the precious snowflakes!" bandwagon in America these days. My parents would have laughed their arses off and donated the condoms to the health department's bucket-o-free condoms.

Yes, but in my mind this is pretty similar to the ancient trope of sticking a dagger in someone's front door.  I'm usually dead set against nervous parents, but I can't blame them for considering this might be a real threat.

Also, she's 8-years-old.  This doesn't sound like an 8-year-old's prank.  Maybe a 13-year-old's.  I doubt she goes to school with people that age.  No, it sounds like an adult doing this, which means someone who probably knows who she is.


Yes, it absolutely does sound like an 8 year old's prank.  That's 2nd or 3rd grade, and I can still remember the ruckus it stirred up at school when I was that age and some kids had gotten a bunch of condoms and brought them to school.  As you might imagine, there were condoms being flipped like rubber bands across the cafeteria.

The 13 year old knows what a condom is and might well be using them.
 
2014-04-18 06:41:16 AM  
If you're not thinking that Amazon is protecting themselves and customer privacy by awaiting the subpoena and doing this by the book, then you're just being a reactionary "OMG think of the children!" type.

I don't think anybody is in favor of harassing an 8 y/o, but we all should be glad that big time companies with the personal info of millions of customers in their data bases require legal motions before giving that information up. Get the subpoena, mystery solved....
 
2014-04-18 06:48:31 AM  

Poowaddins: I am sick to death of the "But won't someone think of the precious snowflakes!" bandwagon in America these days. My parents would have laughed their arses off and donated the condoms to the health department's bucket-o-free condoms.


They were sent to an 8 yr old girl...thats pedo...thats beyond being a Brony.

And, Amazon is wrong not to release the info on the sender. Most law enforcement agencies would have that info by now...or Amazon employees sitting in jail as accessories....
 
2014-04-18 06:52:42 AM  
Is it possible that one, or both, of the parents is a douchebag and has commented a few times too often that their little girl won't be allowed to date or whatever until she's 21 and some annoyed friend thought it would be funny to play a bit of a joke on Mommy and Daddy?
 
2014-04-18 06:54:21 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Fafai: HotWingAgenda: Y'all do realize that the Postal Service delivers things with no return address all the time, right? There's nothing unique about Amazon's involvement in this. The pervert could just as easily have bought a couple packs of condoms cash, put them in some packaging with the correct address and adequate postage, and sent it anonymously that way. Or just anonymously stuffed them in the mailbox in the middle of the night. Corporations are often the source of evil, but not always.

But that would honestly be anonymous with no account attached to it because it's a free service. there wouldn't be any way to identify the sender.

Postage isn't free where I come from. And I can think of at least one convicted mass murderer that will tell you there are ways to track down the senders of anonymous packages.


Yeah- you arrange for them to have a brother who can identify their writings. Easy-peasy.
 
2014-04-18 06:55:53 AM  

Skr: I read the family's last name as Astroglide instead of Angelides  at first skim of the article. Added a different spin to the story.


Angelides could mean something even weirder though.


My first thoughts as well.

If her daughter didn't know what condoms were before her mother ran shreiking to the media, she certainly will now. Bonus, all her classmates will too.
 
2014-04-18 07:06:32 AM  
I'm surprised nobody has considered that the kid could have ordered them for herself. As pointed out, kids can use their parents' cards. Younger kids learn most of what they know about sex from older kids, and most of that is intentionally wrong. Older kids find out there's a boy she has a crush on, tease her about needing condoms.
Of course, it's going to take a subpoena to find this out.
 
2014-04-18 07:14:39 AM  

Mr. Right: Is it possible that one, or both, of the parents is a douchebag and has commented a few times too often that their little girl won't be allowed to date or whatever until she's 21 and some annoyed friend thought it would be funny to play a bit of a joke on Mommy and Daddy?


While I did think of this as well, they'd have to be a monumental D-bag for someone to think that this prank was worth it, but then again, the way helicopter mommy went to the press is making me completely agree that she's probably the level of D-bag that would invoke Gorgor...
 
2014-04-18 07:16:35 AM  

RoyBatty: 1. If the parents go to the cops, why wouldn't cops and the da get a subpoena?

2. I can buy Amazon gift cards from Walmart for cash.

3. I can get an Amazon gift card from CoinStar for cash.


1-I am guessing the cops are being lazy.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/04/return_to_sender_condoms _ deliv.html
Ms. Angelides then called police about the alleged harassment, but claims that they closed the case without finding out who the perpetrator was.

2-Don't you need an account to use the gift cards?
 
2014-04-18 07:29:17 AM  
Remember the Trojans...
 
2014-04-18 07:32:32 AM  

FormatSlacker: Jz4p: I don't care what TFA says. Amazon is well within their rights to not disclose that information without a subpoena. That said, with an 8 year old girl involved, someone should probably get on issuing one of those.

I'm cool with amazon not disclosing the information as long as we're clear that they are to be considered complicit and liable with respect to any developments in the case.  They can either say, "We had nothing to do with this, we are just an intermediate, here is the guy you want to talk to if you have any questions about the intent of the package" or they can accept joint responsiblity for shipping the condoms to the girl.  They don't get to do something on behalf of a third party, completely disavow responsibility for what they did, but then also refuse to name the responsible party they acted on behalf of.


Wrong.

But nice try.
 
2014-04-18 07:34:46 AM  

ReverendJasen: The name of the person who's sending my 8 year old daughter stuff in the mail is personal information? I have the right to know that. She's a minor. I don't need an address, SSN, or credit card number. A simple name is fine.


What I don't understand is, every instance I know of where someone purchased a gift for someone else via Amazon, the senders name is revealed in the packing slip! I've bought gifts for others many times, and they knew it was sent by me... I've had gifts bought for me by others, and I knew who sent it, because it's printed right there on the slip... So, uh, WTF is going on here?! Is there some super secret option to send gifts anonymously that I don't know about? Or, is it just a case of someone created an Amazon account with an obviously fake name like Joe Blow, and that is the name that shows up on the condom packing slip? In which case, I'm guessing they're asking Amazon to do deeper digging into who it really is, by checking credit card info and such...
 
2014-04-18 07:44:24 AM  

RobSeace: ReverendJasen: The name of the person who's sending my 8 year old daughter stuff in the mail is personal information? I have the right to know that. She's a minor. I don't need an address, SSN, or credit card number. A simple name is fine.

What I don't understand is, every instance I know of where someone purchased a gift for someone else via Amazon, the senders name is revealed in the packing slip! I've bought gifts for others many times, and they knew it was sent by me... I've had gifts bought for me by others, and I knew who sent it, because it's printed right there on the slip... So, uh, WTF is going on here?! Is there some super secret option to send gifts anonymously that I don't know about? Or, is it just a case of someone created an Amazon account with an obviously fake name like Joe Blow, and that is the name that shows up on the condom packing slip? In which case, I'm guessing they're asking Amazon to do deeper digging into who it really is, by checking credit card info and such...


When you check out there is a send as gift option that removes the account holders name from the packing slip iirc.
 
2014-04-18 07:47:04 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: LikeALeafOnTheWind: my theory is the dad sent them. Hes having and affair, needed some condoms,

Yeah, because it's so hard to find condoms anywhere these days. Geez. No man would want to put himself in the middle of the resulting drama that would ensue from having condoms delivered to his own house, regardless of the name on the shipping label. If he did do this, he's too stupid to be allowed to have one woman, let alone two.


No, it's entirely plausible.  There is still stigma surrounding buying condoms especially if you are married, belong to certain religions, live in a small community, have an overbearing, oppressive spouse, that sort of thing.  To be spotted buying those would immediately raise suspicion and, in a paranoid, guilt-riddled person's mind, everyone is watching you buy them and is reporting it back to the missus.
Her entire argument that this is some sort of nefarious plot is predicated on the fact that they got the kid's name spelled correctly.  She's probably right but she won't draw that final conclusion.  She wants someone else to do it for her, the cops.  They don't want to get involved because no crime has been committed.  Neither does Amazon.  Now, she wants the public to do it for her.
So, here goes:  "Lady, go ask your husband."
 
2014-04-18 07:47:58 AM  
Hey, she's lucky it wasn't a bobcat.
 
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