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(SFGate)   San Francisco's latest outrage: Condo owners who are constantly renting out their units to a revolving door of tourists. "We've heard of cases where people get off the elevator and ask 'Where's the bellhop?' "   (sfgate.com) divider line 72
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2014-04-18 12:04:27 AM  
You mean condo renters, it's the owners and HOA that have a problem with it.
 
2014-04-18 12:34:46 AM  
Huh, I think I used to live in that building.
 
2014-04-18 02:15:49 AM  
So...

There's not enough hotels.  People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos.  HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

/Don't think this'll fix the problem entirely.   Family rented out house in Harlem when visiting NYC because it was easier.
 
2014-04-18 02:25:35 AM  

meyerkev: There's not enough hotels. People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos. HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"


Yeah, for a change it was refreshing to read an article not full of outrage.

I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental. That way we can all be reminded why we don't post on CL or AirBNB.
 
2014-04-18 02:43:29 AM  
Meh.  Those tourists are a big part of why your city has so much money and your property is worth as much as it is.
 
2014-04-18 04:08:45 AM  
A good 9.0 should help reset some of those ridiculous housing problems.
 
2014-04-18 04:24:53 AM  
Just look for the condos with the pink mustaches.
 
2014-04-18 04:34:57 AM  
I think I can feel the dismay of the people who thought they had beaten the system.  Profit off subletting no more!
 
2014-04-18 04:37:16 AM  

Gig103: I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental


What happens in Vegas ...
 
2014-04-18 04:37:26 AM  
That is so sad.

*sob*
 
2014-04-18 04:43:09 AM  
 
2014-04-18 04:48:09 AM  
Those New yorkers better up their game and soon, SF is quickly taking lead on the whiniest first world problems title.
 
2014-04-18 04:52:43 AM  
Is the SF City Council called Board of Supervisors or is some independent association trying to win a contest for vaguest name ever?
 
2014-04-18 04:57:24 AM  
Condo = Time Share. Really.
NIMBY but we rented a darling apartment when we visited Paris.
 
2014-04-18 05:00:32 AM  

doyner: Meh.  Those tourists are a big part of why your city has so much money and your property is worth as much as it is.


I thought it was the Google property rape buses.
 
2014-04-18 05:04:07 AM  

moothemagiccow: Is the SF City Council called Board of Supervisors or is some independent association trying to win a contest for vaguest name ever?


In California, cities have City Councils and counties have Boards of Supervisors. San Francisco is unique in California in that it is both a city and a county, so it has only one entity that does both jobs.
 
2014-04-18 05:14:13 AM  

doyner: Meh.  Those tourists are a big part of why your city has so much money and your property is worth as much as it is.


Not really, it's because of what happened south of them in the Silicon Valley. The tourism is a result of SF being a cool place to visit, but the people that live there aren't generally working at places that revolve around tourists, it's too expensive for them. SF is a yuppie tech town now.
 
2014-04-18 05:46:48 AM  
www.threestooges.net
 
2014-04-18 06:03:35 AM  

Gig103: meyerkev: There's not enough hotels. People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos. HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

Yeah, for a change it was refreshing to read an article not full of outrage.

I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental. That way we can all be reminded why we don't post on CL or AirBNB.


Well, if you insist.

I was on tour and the reasonably nice hotel we were supposed to be staying in Madison lost our reservations and so tour management put us up in a vastly inferior Best Western. My friend the sound guy was so angered at the change in accommodations that he took a long wet dump across the bedspread in his room and wiped himself clean with his sheets before passing out drunk and stoned in the clean twin bed in my room.
 
2014-04-18 06:05:26 AM  

TheJoe03: doyner: Meh.  Those tourists are a big part of why your city has so much money and your property is worth as much as it is.

Not really, it's because of what happened south of them in the Silicon Valley. The tourism is a result of SF being a cool place to visit, but the people that live there aren't generally working at places that revolve around tourists, it's too expensive for them. SF is a yuppie tech town now.


Yup. When you have an exceptionally large salary due to being in the tech or biotech industries, where would you choose to live?

San Jose and Oakland have too many gang problems (perceived or otherwise)

Marin & the North Peninsula are mostly out of your price range

Richmond is the real gang-infested Hell-hole of the area with the added bonus of living next to oil refineries that occasionally explode

East Bay is alright but already heavily developed with families that won't be moving soon, so low chances of turnover

Peninsula housing prices are way more expensive than the houses are worth.

San Francisco is doing lots of renovation focusing on condo living, has an extensive public transportation network, and has most of the culture and attractions of the Bay Area. Anything outside of San Francisco can be reached easily and cheaply via public transit.

It's pretty much a no-brainer if you're a mid-level techie.
 
2014-04-18 07:25:55 AM  
Did not read TFA, but people occasionally ask me, "Man, how could you move out of the Bay Area?"

Besides crushing cost of living, perpetually cold and gray skies, a political culture that could rival Best Korea's in insanity and vehemence, there was this need to complain about EVERYTHING. There's no cause so trivial, no use of property so private, that someone in the Bay Area can't gin up some outrage and Demand Action.

Usually because a) Shut up and b) Root Cause!
 
2014-04-18 07:36:08 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Yup. When you have an exceptionally large salary due to being in the tech or biotech industries, where would you choose to live?


Lol wut? Biotech doesn't pay especially well. It's about normal for any educated professional, or a little worse.
 
2014-04-18 07:42:21 AM  

highwayrun: Gig103: meyerkev: There's not enough hotels. People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos. HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

Yeah, for a change it was refreshing to read an article not full of outrage.

I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental. That way we can all be reminded why we don't post on CL or AirBNB.

Well, if you insist.

I was on tour and the reasonably nice hotel we were supposed to be staying in Madison lost our reservations and so tour management put us up in a vastly inferior Best Western. My friend the sound guy was so angered at the change in accommodations that he took a long wet dump across the bedspread in his room and wiped himself clean with his sheets before passing out drunk and stoned in the clean twin bed in my room.


I've never done anything worse than steal the little containers of shampoo. Although there was one time before I was born where my dad got locked out of his hotel room wearing nothing but his boxers.
 
2014-04-18 07:43:27 AM  
Just stack em in like cordwood and tally the profits

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2014-04-18 08:04:27 AM  

highwayrun: Gig103: meyerkev: There's not enough hotels. People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos. HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

Yeah, for a change it was refreshing to read an article not full of outrage.

I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental. That way we can all be reminded why we don't post on CL or AirBNB.

Well, if you insist.

I was on tour and the reasonably nice hotel we were supposed to be staying in Madison lost our reservations and so tour management put us up in a vastly inferior Best Western. My friend the sound guy was so angered at the change in accommodations that he took a long wet dump across the bedspread in his room and wiped himself clean with his sheets before passing out drunk and stoned in the clean twin bed in my room.


So it was the BW's fault for the Madison losing your reservations and being cheaper than them?
 
2014-04-18 08:07:43 AM  

moothemagiccow: Is the SF City Council called Board of Supervisors or is some independent association trying to win a contest for vaguest name ever?


San Francisco is a City/County and only has a County board of Supervisors no city council.
 
2014-04-18 08:08:17 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Those New yorkers better up their game and soon, SF is quickly taking lead on the whiniest first world problems title.


Only if you put all of the American South in the "not in the first world" category. Which, come to think of it, might be true.
 
2014-04-18 08:50:10 AM  
"We've heard of cases where people get off the elevator and ask 'Where's the bellhop?' "

I doubt anybody really said that. Hotels and condos don't look alike on the inside.
 
2014-04-18 08:58:46 AM  
That was a problem in Vegas, and city (probably the county, too) put an end to it.

/craigslist is still the best place to look for temp housing
 
2014-04-18 09:06:15 AM  
AirBnB should be shut down
 
2014-04-18 09:08:57 AM  
I recently sold my home on the beachfront in venice, CA. - and I can tell you, this has become a huge problem there. More and more homeowners are vacating their homes, moving to cheaper parts of L.A., and renting their houses out by the week to Euro-trash as "party houses".
Predictably, this has made living a normal life difficult for actual people or families trying to live in those neighborhoods. It's coming to a head, and there is talk of making laws to forbid the practice.
 
2014-04-18 09:28:18 AM  
Isn't a free market wonderful?

Hotels and business suites versus apartments, rentals versus ownership, condo owners versus Civilization. It's a constant flux and as Heraclitus says, you never step into the same housing market twice.

You do not own anything permanent in this world, it's just a time share.

Not that I have anything fixed against NIMBIES. NIMBIES preserve many of the good things of this world: communities, neighbourhoods, the country side. Even rich people sometimes have their uses: Mssrs. Irving have some of the fattest deer and salmon in the Province of New Brunswick and the world. Their ownership of 1.5 million acres (or possibly 1.7 million) in New Brunswick, and another 1.5 million in Nova Scotia, and again in Maine and so forth means that forests can grow, streams can sparkle and wildlife, fish and birds live largely unmolested except when the Irvings grant permission to hunters or fishermen (and fisherwomen) to travel on their vast feudal land-holdings. This is, as Martha Stewart would acknowledge, a good thing ... at least for some thing but not others.

It is nice to see somebody give a dispassionate and balanced view of such matters from time to time.

I've worked with economists, wildlife preservers, academics, and all sorts of people, and my family tree is  pretty much conterminous with society now, so I can often see the many sides of an issue, even if American and other media usually prefers to present only two sides to every issue and to bias and slant towards one side only.

This sort of thing is vital to the productivity of an eco-system or an economy or the life and health of a great city or state. Yes, some win and some lose. But it is a law of life that many are inconvenienced for the good of the whole.

No man is an island resort. Each is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.

Man without society is either a beast or a god said Aristotle. Which are you pretending to be?
 
2014-04-18 09:32:11 AM  
Confucius said that the material man is a device to move things around. Those material people who own country estates and city parterres and have their managers rent them out when they are not in use are a way of making cities live. They are like employment agencies--a necessary (?) evil.
 
2014-04-18 09:32:17 AM  
Short term rental units carry a higher loss ratio insurance risk than long term rental units.  Quite controversial, but there, I've stated it and I stand by it.
 
2014-04-18 09:34:29 AM  
1% Problems. F*ck San Fran.
 
2014-04-18 09:36:41 AM  
So who will be the first to get a bellhop uniform and one of those shiny carts, and then steal people's luggage? There's a niche here, criminals.
 
2014-04-18 09:39:57 AM  

DecemberNitro: 1% Problems. F*ck San Fran.


Wear a jimmy
 
2014-04-18 09:40:35 AM  
Did I read their solution right? They want a 60 day minimal rental? Most SMART condo restrict it to 30 day max or it can turn into a flop house.
 
2014-04-18 09:41:10 AM  

lantawa: Short term rental units carry a higher loss ratio insurance risk than long term rental units.  Quite controversial, but there, I've stated it and I stand by it.


As do vacant units
 
2014-04-18 09:48:36 AM  

meyerkev: So...

There's not enough hotels.  People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos.  HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

/Don't think this'll fix the problem entirely.   Family rented out house in Harlem when visiting NYC because it was easier.


They could take a few dozen from Tulsa.

/and the people who own *all* the hotels... yes, all... are building more.  There's no possible way they could be making a profit...
 
2014-04-18 09:49:04 AM  
There was a thing in one of the NYC tabloids this week about how prostitutes are using AirBnB to avoid detection.  Basically this woman came back from vacation to find her place loaded with baby wipes and the trash filled with used condoms.  Apparently AirBnB was like "Who knew that could happen?  Whoopsie."
 
2014-04-18 09:51:16 AM  

Mitrovarr: RoyFokker'sGhost: Yup. When you have an exceptionally large salary due to being in the tech or biotech industries, where would you choose to live?

Lol wut? Biotech doesn't pay especially well. It's about normal for any educated professional, or a little worse.


Here in (Central) MA, the only people here that are well paid are computer-related or biotech-related.
 
2014-04-18 09:51:57 AM  
I don't know why anyone would want to live in SF.  Its a complete shiat hole.  Its almost as bad as LA.  Bums and their piss and shiat smells everywhere, no free parking, its impossible to drive anywhere, there is no open space or privacy and most of the folks that live there are batshiat insane.

The short term rental thing is a weird "problem."  My take is whatever the property owner wants to do with it is their business.  Now if these are rentals and it is really a renter that is further renting it out then I am all for the real owner setting whatever rules they want limiting the practice or booting out their tenant at a moments notice.

SF wouldn't be in such a crappy situation if they just let the market work, rather than interfering with insane commie ideas like rent control.
 
2014-04-18 09:52:05 AM  

James Rieper: There was a thing in one of the NYC tabloids this week about how prostitutes are using AirBnB to avoid detection.  Basically this woman came back from vacation to find her place loaded with baby wipes and the trash filled with used condoms.  Apparently AirBnB was like "Who knew that could happen?  Whoopsie."


My favorite AirBnB story was: http://nypost.com/2014/03/17/airbnb-renter-claims-he-returned-home-to - an-orgy/

Guy returned home to an orgy of fat people
 
2014-04-18 09:54:43 AM  
DanInKansas: Did not read TFA, but people occasionally ask me, "Man, how could you move out of the Bay Area?"

Besides crushing cost of living, perpetually cold and gray skies, a political culture that could rival Best Korea's in insanity and vehemence, there was this need to complain about EVERYTHING. There's no cause so trivial, no use of property so private, that someone in the Bay Area can't gin up some outrage and Demand Action.

Usually because a) Shut up and b) Root Cause!

If I lived in Daly City, I'd run screaming to Kansas too...
 
2014-04-18 09:56:01 AM  

DanInKansas: Did not read TFA, but people occasionally ask me, "Man, how could you move out of the Bay Area?"

Besides crushing cost of living, perpetually cold and gray skies, a political culture that could rival Best Korea's in insanity and vehemence, there was this need to complain about EVERYTHING. There's no cause so trivial, no use of property so private, that someone in the Bay Area can't gin up some outrage and Demand Action.

Usually because a) Shut up and b) Root Cause!


Yeah it sucks here. Stay away.
 
2014-04-18 09:57:11 AM  

uber humper: lantawa: Short term rental units carry a higher loss ratio insurance risk than long term rental units.  Quite controversial, but there, I've stated it and I stand by it.

As do vacant units


Vacant units are about twice as expensive to insure than occupied units.  Agree with you.
 
2014-04-18 09:57:27 AM  
Eh, I can sympathize.

My NYC apt building has had issue with Airbnb renters. For whatever reason, they prop the door open to pull their luggage inside, but then never close it. It's not only a safety issue, but in the winter it let's all of the cold air inside. And then in the winter they've been smoking in the stairwell or right at the entrance to the building. So in other words, people renting for 3 or 4 days don't care about the rules, let alone basic courtesies.

At the same time, thank god someone is giving hotels competition.
 
2014-04-18 10:20:04 AM  

Pattuq: I think I can feel the dismay of the people who thought they had beaten the system.  Profit off subletting no more!


Because we all know there's nothing quite as evil as profit.
 
2014-04-18 10:34:43 AM  

Gig103: meyerkev: There's not enough hotels. People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos. HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

Yeah, for a change it was refreshing to read an article not full of outrage.

I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental. That way we can all be reminded why we don't post on CL or AirBNB.


my husband, 3yo, and I took a trip to Barcelona with a couple and their baby. the men went out the first night and got LIT. The other husband pissed on the wall in the room. My husband only fell asleep in his undies is the main lounge lol.
 
2014-04-18 10:34:53 AM  

Intrepid00: Did I read their solution right? They want a 60 day minimal rental? Most SMART condo restrict it to 30 day max or it can turn into a flop house.


They want a minimum rental simply because it makes the minimum barrier-to-entry high enough that people will not bother.  Plus.. Hotels don't want the competition.
 
2014-04-18 10:36:59 AM  

Ima4nic8or: I don't know why anyone would want to live in SF.  Its a complete shiat hole.  Its almost as bad as LA.  Bums and their piss and shiat smells everywhere, no free parking, its impossible to drive anywhere, there is no open space or privacy and most of the folks that live there are batshiat insane.


As a resident of LA I take extreme offense to this characterization. I know FOR A FACT there is free parking in 6 slots in Brentwood between 1:30 am to 4:30am
 
2014-04-18 10:40:24 AM  

MythDragon: highwayrun: Gig103: meyerkev: There's not enough hotels. People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos. HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

Yeah, for a change it was refreshing to read an article not full of outrage.

I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental. That way we can all be reminded why we don't post on CL or AirBNB.

Well, if you insist.

I was on tour and the reasonably nice hotel we were supposed to be staying in Madison lost our reservations and so tour management put us up in a vastly inferior Best Western. My friend the sound guy was so angered at the change in accommodations that he took a long wet dump across the bedspread in his room and wiped himself clean with his sheets before passing out drunk and stoned in the clean twin bed in my room.

So it was the BW's fault for the Madison losing your reservations and being cheaper than them?


No one asked for stories where people behaved in a sensible and logical fashion. I wouldn't mention my buddy the roadie sound guy in that case.
 
2014-04-18 10:46:20 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: Intrepid00: Did I read their solution right? They want a 60 day minimal rental? Most SMART condo restrict it to 30 day max or it can turn into a flop house.

They want a minimum rental simply because it makes the minimum barrier-to-entry high enough that people will not bother.  Plus.. Hotels don't want the competition.


You would think this but what happens is you get a welfare family moving in. A lot of PA locales and HOA are putting 30 day max because it leads to over crowding.
 
2014-04-18 10:49:24 AM  
I live in a college town, so the whole AirBnB thing is really tempting.  Our basement is furnished as an in-law suite with bedroom, kitchen, living room and full bath.  I know I can clear about $1K on a football weekend.  With graduation and various other events, maybe as much as $10K/yr.

I just don't know if it would be worth the hassle.
 
2014-04-18 11:07:33 AM  

highwayrun: MythDragon: highwayrun: Gig103: meyerkev: There's not enough hotels. People then turn around and rent out apartments/condos. HOA is handling it, city's actually being reasonable by SF standards, not really seeing the problem here other than "Have you considered building more hotels?"

Yeah, for a change it was refreshing to read an article not full of outrage.

I officially declare this a hijacked thread, to discuss the worst thing you've done in a hotel or rental. That way we can all be reminded why we don't post on CL or AirBNB.

Well, if you insist.

I was on tour and the reasonably nice hotel we were supposed to be staying in Madison lost our reservations and so tour management put us up in a vastly inferior Best Western. My friend the sound guy was so angered at the change in accommodations that he took a long wet dump across the bedspread in his room and wiped himself clean with his sheets before passing out drunk and stoned in the clean twin bed in my room.

So it was the BW's fault for the Madison losing your reservations and being cheaper than them?

No one asked for stories where people behaved in a sensible and logical fashion. I wouldn't mention my buddy the roadie sound guy in that case.


Oh, well then carry on, good sir.
 
2014-04-18 11:10:16 AM  

Ima4nic8or: I don't know why anyone would want to live in SF.  Its a complete shiat hole.  Its almost as bad as LA.  Bums and their piss and shiat smells everywhere, no free parking, its impossible to drive anywhere, there is no open space or privacy and most of the folks that live there are batshiat insane.


You can't possibly have any experience to back up this statement.  Bums and their piss smell are not everywhere, but that is around.  There is free parking all over the place, it's just rarely available because it's free.  Why would you want to drive? That's why we have Muni and a couple of taxis, or you can basically walk everywhere.  No open space?  Ever heard of Golden Gate Park? (bigger than central park btw)  And there are dozens of parks throughout the city, not to mention easily accessible open spaces in the surrounding bay area.  There is as much privacy here as in any other city and the insane folks are called "local color."

You might want to try going someplace other than Union Square once in a while.
 
2014-04-18 11:11:38 AM  
The reason people rent from airbnb is not just about a lack of hotels. I rent through them almost monthly (we travel a lot) and what I need is a. A kitchen so that I can save some $$$ by cooking and B. A washer (and preferably dryer) in unit because I travel with my 3yo who obviously spills on herself all the time. I don't want to stay in a hotel. I want to stay someplace with all the amenities of home, just in a much more fabulous location. I don't want to stay downtown in a hotel district, I want to stay in a residential neighborhood with a children's park. I don't want to pay $20 per day to park at a hotel. I don't want to live in a room with a bed, I need a couch or something for my daughter and I don't want to pay DOUBLE to do that. I don't want to pay for meeting rooms, or a fancy lobby, or my room serviced daily or anything. It's just an entirely different approach to travel and a better one IMO especially for families.
 
2014-04-18 11:14:17 AM  

doyner: Meh.  Those tourists are a big part of why your city has so much money and your property is worth as much as it is.


I think its more the thousands of high paying tech jobs in the area. Those people have more money than most of the tourists and are the ones actually, you know in the market for that property.

People wanting to come visit doesn't drive real estate prices up like a glut of people who both want to live there and have above average means does.
 
2014-04-18 11:16:24 AM  

Ima4nic8or: I don't know why anyone would want to live in SF.  Its a complete shiat hole.  Its almost as bad as LA.  Bums and their piss and shiat smells everywhere, no free parking, its impossible to drive anywhere, there is no open space or privacy and most of the folks that live there are batshiat insane.

The short term rental thing is a weird "problem."  My take is whatever the property owner wants to do with it is their business.  Now if these are rentals and it is really a renter that is further renting it out then I am all for the real owner setting whatever rules they want limiting the practice or booting out their tenant at a moments notice.

SF wouldn't be in such a crappy situation if they just let the market work, rather than interfering with insane commie ideas like rent control.


I'm guessing you've never lived there.
I lived there for 5 years. In that time, I saw exactly 1 bum in my neighborhood. My wife saw him, came home and made him some food and he was very polite and grateful.  All the parking on the streets around my house was free. No open space? Funny, I lived a block from this thing called Golden Gate Park.
 
2014-04-18 11:24:12 AM  

heybd: Ima4nic8or: I don't know why anyone would want to live in SF.  Its a complete shiat hole.  Its almost as bad as LA.  Bums and their piss and shiat smells everywhere, no free parking, its impossible to drive anywhere, there is no open space or privacy and most of the folks that live there are batshiat insane.

You can't possibly have any experience to back up this statement.  Bums and their piss smell are not everywhere, but that is around.  There is free parking all over the place, it's just rarely available because it's free.  Why would you want to drive? That's why we have Muni and a couple of taxis, or you can basically walk everywhere.  No open space?  Ever heard of Golden Gate Park? (bigger than central park btw)  And there are dozens of parks throughout the city, not to mention easily accessible open spaces in the surrounding bay area.  There is as much privacy here as in any other city and the insane folks are called "local color."

You might want to try going someplace other than Union Square once in a while.


Seriously, part of the reason to live in the city is so you don't have to drive. It kinds of takes away about half of those complaints, and now when I need to run an errand it is on average a pleasant, 8 minute stroll through a beautiful neighborhood. Beats the hell out of getting in a car.

If you like the country that's great. You only have to deal with the smell of people spreading shiat all over the fields for parts of the year, get in the car and drive to do  anything, and deal with all the wonderful "privacy" of small town gossip.
 
2014-04-18 11:24:23 AM  
Condos get rented? Who knew?

If you want to see the same old folks all the time, buy an apartment
 
2014-04-18 11:25:37 AM  

ace in your face: The reason people rent from airbnb is not just about a lack of hotels. I rent through them almost monthly (we travel a lot) and what I need is a. A kitchen so that I can save some $$$ by cooking and B. A washer (and preferably dryer) in unit because I travel with my 3yo who obviously spills on herself all the time. I don't want to stay in a hotel. I want to stay someplace with all the amenities of home, just in a much more fabulous location. I don't want to stay downtown in a hotel district, I want to stay in a residential neighborhood with a children's park. I don't want to pay $20 per day to park at a hotel. I don't want to live in a room with a bed, I need a couch or something for my daughter and I don't want to pay DOUBLE to do that. I don't want to pay for meeting rooms, or a fancy lobby, or my room serviced daily or anything. It's just an entirely different approach to travel and a better one IMO especially for families.


I couldn't agree more.
 
2014-04-18 11:29:42 AM  

edmo: Condos get rented? Who knew?

If you want to see the same old folks all the time, buy an apartment


Are you from New York?

Nearly everywhere, the essential difference between an apartment and a condo is that all the apartments in a building are owned by the owner of the building and rented out while a condos are owned by separate individuals who all have an ownership stake in the property, not a lease.

New York city is the only place I know of where people buy their "apartments" and not "condos".
 
2014-04-18 11:54:11 AM  
Another reason why I live on a long lonely drive with gun emplacements near the state road
 
2014-04-18 11:56:22 AM  

DanInKansas: Did not read TFA, but people occasionally ask me, "Man, how could you move out of the Bay Area?"

Besides crushing cost of living, perpetually cold and gray skies, a political culture that could rival Best Korea's in insanity and vehemence, there was this need to complain about EVERYTHING. There's no cause so trivial, no use of property so private, that someone in the Bay Area can't gin up some outrage and Demand Action.

Usually because a) Shut up and b) Root Cause!


You forgot the condescending nature if the natives' rationalization for subjecting themselves to this:

You can't possibly have any experience to back up this statement.  Bums and their piss smell are not everywhere, but that is around.  There is free parking all over the place, it's just rarely available because it's free.  Why would you want to drive? That's why we have Muni and a couple of taxis, or you can basically walk everywhere.  No open space?  Ever heard of Golden Gate Park? (bigger than central park btw)  And there are dozens of parks throughout the city, not to mention easily accessible open spaces in the surrounding bay area.  There is as much privacy here as in any other city and the insane folks are called "local color."

You might want to try going someplace other than Union Square once in a while.


There's no talking sense to these people.
/Leaving in a week
//Not letting the door hit me.
 
2014-04-18 12:59:37 PM  
Speaking as someone who does shared-house rentals through Airbnb, we've had nothing so far but good experiences. I've met some fascinating people, learned bits of other languages, picked up cooking tips and generally had a ball. The money can't be beat, they do report to the IRS granted, but it's still free money as far as my budget is concerned either way.

Caveats - we do shared-house rental, not vacant-house. I'm not sure I could handle the thought of complete strangers here while I'm gone for extended periods of time. I have gone on vacation while we have people here though, so it has worked out.

We've also focused on longer-term stays, dealing mostly in international/corporate relocations where people are staying with us for 3-9 weeks at a time while they find more permanent housing. Currently have a family from Singapore with us through the end of the school year. We're in a far north 'burb of Chicago, so not a lot of demand for weekend vacation stays except the occasional family coming to Six Flags.

I do see the horror stories occasionally, but I have always also seen a prompt emergency response from Airbnb with the changing of locks, hotel stays covered, money to replace things etc. They obviously don't have a perfect business model, but they do seem to do the right thing when it all goes south.
 
2014-04-18 01:07:01 PM  

DanInKansas: Did not read TFA, but people occasionally ask me, "Man, how could you move out of the Bay Area?"

Besides crushing cost of living, perpetually cold and gray skies, a political culture that could rival Best Korea's in insanity and vehemence, there was this need to complain about EVERYTHING. There's no cause so trivial, no use of property so private, that someone in the Bay Area can't gin up some outrage and Demand Action.

Usually because a) Shut up and b) Root Cause!


Always amuses me that people from that area think themselves so liberal, yet act so restrictively.  Their favorite word is "forbidden," as in, these people are forbidden to use their property as they wish.  Most fascist city in which I've ever spent significant time.
 
2014-04-18 01:23:04 PM  

DanInKansas: Did not read TFA, but people occasionally ask me, "Man, how could you move out of the Bay Area?"

Besides crushing cost of living, perpetually cold and gray skies, a political culture that could rival Best Korea's in insanity and vehemence, there was this need to complain about EVERYTHING. There's no cause so trivial, no use of property so private, that someone in the Bay Area can't gin up some outrage and Demand Action.

Usually because a) Shut up and b) Root Cause!


I'm pretty sure you're describing San Francisco, which is  notthe Bay Area. I have great weather where I live, I get to visit SF when I feel like it, and I don't have to actually live there.
 
2014-04-18 01:44:00 PM  

Fast B: I'm pretty sure you're describing San Francisco, which is  notthe Bay Area. I have great weather where I live, I get to visit SF when I feel like it, and I don't have to actually live there.


This.  Bay Area weather is farked up* to the point where they have 3 separate weather forecasts for the same region because of all the mountains.

So during the heat wave last summer, SF would be 80, Palo Alto would be 93, Mountain View would be 95, Cupertino would be 102, and Gilroy would be bouncing off 110.

*Where "Farked Up" means seriously varying across the region and NOT "worse than Michigan".  It never snows, never storms, and rarely rains.
 
2014-04-18 03:31:03 PM  

meyerkev: Fast B: I'm pretty sure you're describing San Francisco, which is  notthe Bay Area. I have great weather where I live, I get to visit SF when I feel like it, and I don't have to actually live there.

This.  Bay Area weather is farked up* to the point where they have 3 separate weather forecasts for the same region because of all the mountains.

So during the heat wave last summer, SF would be 80, Palo Alto would be 93, Mountain View would be 95, Cupertino would be 102, and Gilroy would be bouncing off 110.

*Where "Farked Up" means seriously varying across the region and NOT "worse than Michigan".  It never snows, never storms, and rarely rains.


That's not unique to the bay area. CA's whole coast is like that. We have 3 forecasts; beach, coastal and inland. A 15 minute drive up the grade can often result in a 40F difference.
 
2014-04-18 08:23:02 PM  

ohsoferrety: Here in (Central) MA, the only people here that are well paid are computer-related or biotech-related.


I think there's a biotech hub there. In general, though, it's not a great-paying field. It totally sucks for people with bachelor's degrees (paying at best equal to the general sort of white-collar work you can get with any four-year degree, and usually significantly worse). Master's degrees do about the same as a four-year engineer or computer-science person if they can find a job (I can't), and generally worse than the other sciences, particularly chemistry and physics. It starts to finally level out a bit at the doctorate level, although again, there just aren't that many jobs.

I really can't recommend being a biologist at all unless you just hate money.
 
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