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2014-04-17 10:47:22 PM
Holy shiat, our ag industry is horrifying.
 
2014-04-17 10:51:02 PM
Heirlooms for the win. They taste better anyway.

Can't wait for my brandywine tomatoes to come in this year.
 
2014-04-17 10:51:11 PM
Just one world?
kinodasbangbang.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-17 10:55:49 PM
I wonder what Luther Burbank would say.
 
2014-04-17 10:56:08 PM

FarkingReading: Holy shiat, our ag industry is horrifying.


Striving for the maximum return on investment to owners (and corresponding bonuses for greedy, psychopathic CEOs) does not often (or ever) lead to a company that values its workers and customers and product. Capitalism doesn't work.
 
2014-04-17 10:56:29 PM
Omg, me too!
 
2014-04-17 11:05:42 PM
Can't wait for the flame wars over which kernel is better.
 
2014-04-17 11:11:34 PM
I think this is a good thing.  I think I heard part of the story on NPR today, and like the seed museum/frozen-storage thing way up there, this is good.

/propagate the seeds.
//save the seeds of the seeds
///all mutation is  by god good
////keep the seeds of the seeds separate
//omfg, that's not good.  What's the correct answer?
 
2014-04-17 11:11:38 PM
From subby's headline, I thought that a bunch of eggheads were gong on a world fark tour.
 
2014-04-17 11:16:17 PM
Did the Monsanto shills already hit the hay for the night?  I'll have to check back in the morning to see why this is bad for the ag industry/business/America/etc
 
2014-04-17 11:16:56 PM
In before GMO pants-pissers start talking about troma-levels and swamp monsters
 
2014-04-17 11:16:59 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: Just one world?
[kinodasbangbang.files.wordpress.com image 850x568]


Sha'uri is hot.  I'd be hitting that from the ascended plateau if you get my drift.
 
2014-04-17 11:17:02 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

"Go on...."
 
2014-04-17 11:44:21 PM
Already done.
static3.businessinsider.com
There is nothing new under the Son.
 
2014-04-18 12:01:32 AM
Don't we already have this?

Or is this essentially GPL licensing instead of plant breeders retaining legal rights to their efforts?

//Roundup Ready Soybeans come off patent next year.  It's gonna be crazy.
 
2014-04-18 12:03:07 AM
Fun fact.

Thomas Edison testified to congress in the 30s urging congress to allow plant patents
 
2014-04-18 12:08:45 AM
Here come the scientists.

/stolen from a great headline about smarter people having higher sperm count
 
2014-04-18 12:17:22 AM
www.starwarped.net

Approves.
 
2014-04-18 12:17:23 AM
i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-18 12:29:40 AM
I thought the article would be something like this, but was hoping it was actually a scientist sperm bank double-cross.

Disappointed.
 
2014-04-18 01:14:23 AM
So why are marijuana seeds like five bucks a piece, man?
 
2014-04-18 02:16:27 AM
meat0918

Don't we already have this?

Or is this essentially GPL licensing instead of plant breeders retaining legal rights to their efforts?

//Roundup Ready Soybeans come off patent next year. It's gonna be crazy.

Well, it is interesting in that there's been a "land rush" to patent genomes and all their derivatives in order to restrict use for profit purposes, this is the first time I know of someone's put genomes out there and said "these are GPL and so are any derivatives, you *can't* use them for profit purposes."

It inverts what's been happening. The interesting part comes from the whole "and their derivatives" bit.

I can think of a million ways offhand that the ADM's and Monsato's of the world will fight against this tooth and nail, but it's amusing to see how the very system they (let's admit it, abused) could be used against them.
 
2014-04-18 02:27:29 AM
More direct article here.
 
2014-04-18 02:30:30 AM

whatshisname: FarkingReading: Holy shiat, our ag industry is horrifying.

Striving for the maximum return on investment to owners (and corresponding bonuses for greedy, psychopathic CEOs) does not often (or ever) lead to a company that values its workers and customers and product. Capitalism doesn't work.


I'm sitting comfortably behind a computer in an air conditioned home, much like you I assume. My life expectancy is about 80 yrs and I have a fair paying full-time job. The technological advancement that has taken place in the past 2 centuries unhindered by an open-market and low-regulation capitalist system has not only benefited my life and the nations that embraced it but even 3rd world countries are receiving hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid (from capitalist governmental and private funds), and are also able to put life on terms above simple survival. Capitalism has many flaws and is currently in a transitional mode from free information to distributed innovation. For developing nations, capitalism is going to be a necessary and unavoidable step to prosperity, until it too can transition to direct distributed innovation (for those who so choose) and hopefully the possibility of an economy that transcends even currency itself.
 
2014-04-18 02:31:10 AM
chewynathan:

So why are marijuana seeds like five bucks a piece, man?

Like, dude... all those times you were scraping stuff out on your double-album LPs cleaning the seeds? You have a gold mine!
 
2014-04-18 03:58:24 AM
Tetrazphere

All of what you have said is correct. However it is only correct from the 16th to the 20th century.

Today, there is so little cutting edge tech being introduced at the level that it is being produced that even though it is only 14 years into this century, the old systems are now roughly 1000 times obsolete, and the capitalist systems are unable to respond to this in a way that delivers the products available to serve the needs of the marketplace, as efficiency is threatening to wipe out the inherent inefficiency of profit margin driven investment. Essentially if all of the technology that we have invented in just the last 14 years were to be fully implemented, the general public would be able to bypass the existing marketplace, and for the most part bypass all of the arbitrage points that are currently available to market organizers and managers.

Currently the inefficiencies in the marketplace today, cost every household in America roughly $60 dollars a day.
Because of the larger technology gap in lesser developed regions of the world, they have even higher inefficiencies, and when adjusted for PPP, their cost is the equivalent of $300 dollars a day.
Adding in all of the other externalities that the developing world struggles with along with the amount of additional burdens being jettisoned from the industrialized nations onto those same developing countries, we can see that the capitalist system which has worked so well in the past, are in the process of falling apart on a large scale, and unless modified into or contravened by a more progressive system of wealth/resource distribution, could have dire consequences for everyone, including the industrialized nations.
 
2014-04-18 04:08:51 AM
They should just name the seeds as diseases, and then they could rely on the World Health Organization to spread them all over the world for them.
 
2014-04-18 06:07:06 AM

FarkingReading: Holy shiat, our ag industry is horrifying.


No, it's not the ag industry.* The ag industry is doing exactly what they're supposed to do. The problem is that they're supposed to be counterbalanced by our land grant colleges. It wasn't that many years ago that state colleges, many with the word "agricultural" in their damned name, did agricultural work with public money, which included seed research. The fruits of this labor were then distributed by the county extension offices. Our lying, cocksucking, bribe-hungry state politicians allowed this practice to stop. And, since few people pay attention to state politics--and the few who do only care about wedge issues--nobody has the motivation to change.

*OK, the ag industry is pretty horrifying, but not for this reason.
 
2014-04-18 08:19:51 AM

meat0918: Fun fact.

Thomas Edison testified to congress in the 30s urging congress to allow plant patents


The man was kind of a jerk. Nikola Tesla forever!
 
2014-04-18 08:36:25 AM

Igloo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

"Go on...."


Mein Führer, I can walk!
 
2014-04-18 10:49:05 AM

maxheck: meat0918

Don't we already have this?

Or is this essentially GPL licensing instead of plant breeders retaining legal rights to their efforts?

//Roundup Ready Soybeans come off patent next year. It's gonna be crazy.

Well, it is interesting in that there's been a "land rush" to patent genomes and all their derivatives in order to restrict use for profit purposes, this is the first time I know of someone's put genomes out there and said "these are GPL and so are any derivatives, you *can't* use them for profit purposes."

It inverts what's been happening. The interesting part comes from the whole "and their derivatives" bit.

I can think of a million ways offhand that the ADM's and Monsato's of the world will fight against this tooth and nail, but it's amusing to see how the very system they (let's admit it, abused) could be used against them.


Ok, that makes more sense then.

Thanks.
 
2014-04-18 12:56:04 PM
TopoGigo:

FarkingReading: Holy shiat, our ag industry is horrifying.

No, it's not the ag industry.* The ag industry is doing exactly what they're supposed to do. The problem is that they're supposed to be counterbalanced by our land grant colleges. It wasn't that many years ago that state colleges, many with the word "agricultural" in their damned name, did agricultural work with public money, which included seed research. The fruits of this labor were then distributed by the county extension offices. Our lying, cocksucking, bribe-hungry state politicians allowed this practice to stop. And, since few people pay attention to state politics--and the few who do only care about wedge issues--nobody has the motivation to change.

*OK, the ag industry is pretty horrifying, but not for this reason.


Most medicines / therapies come from publicly funded research... Some researcher at a college or the NIH figures out that chemical XYZ has an effect on cancer or erctile dysfunction or restless leg syndrome...

Someone at a large pharmaceutical company reads the publicly available paper, decides it's worth pursuing, convinces management to throw money at developing it. They come up with a drug, then have the NIH subsidize the trials and testing.

A few years later, large pharma company is advertising that drug directly to the consumer. Ask your doctor. Third quarter profits go up a notch.

It's not *always* like that, pharmaceutical companies do have some sharp researchers and do original research too, but since there are more researchers publishing publicly than there are on staff at corporations, there will always be that imbalance.

There's also the fact that labs that do the original research don't have the wherewithal to develop therapies.

/ not saying I *like* the system, just saying I know how it came to be.
 
2014-04-18 01:00:56 PM

TopoGigo: Our lying, cocksucking, bribe-hungry state politicians allowed this practice to stop.


hey now.  don't throw cocksucking into the list of bad things.  Have you ever had your cock sucked and it ended up being a bad thing?

/yes the politicians are crooked
//21st century is the time to stop using homophobic slurs
 
2014-04-18 02:34:24 PM

maxheck: meat0918

Don't we already have this?

Or is this essentially GPL licensing instead of plant breeders retaining legal rights to their efforts?

//Roundup Ready Soybeans come off patent next year. It's gonna be crazy.

Well, it is interesting in that there's been a "land rush" to patent genomes and all their derivatives in order to restrict use for profit purposes, this is the first time I know of someone's put genomes out there and said "these are GPL and so are any derivatives, you *can't* use them for profit purposes."

It inverts what's been happening. The interesting part comes from the whole "and their derivatives" bit.

I can think of a million ways offhand that the ADM's and Monsato's of the world will fight against this tooth and nail, but it's amusing to see how the very system they (let's admit it, abused) could be used against them.


You can use gpl licensed stuff for profit, it's just that whoever receives the gpl'd stuff from you must have the same rights you had when you got the gpl'd thing.
 
2014-04-18 09:22:47 PM

SquiggsIN: TopoGigo: Our lying, cocksucking, bribe-hungry state politicians allowed this practice to stop.

hey now.  don't throw cocksucking into the list of bad things.  Have you ever had your cock sucked and it ended up being a bad thing?


Well, yes, actually, but your point is taken.

/yes the politicians are crooked
//21st century is the time to stop using homophobic slurs


I don't think that's fair. Sure, I understand the argument. The worst possible thing I can think of is sucking a cock, etc. The thing is, that word doesn't make any distinction between a gay man doing it and a woman doing it, so I don't see how it's homophobic. Insensitive to the protein deficient community, maybe, but not homophobic. I just really heard someone make this argument a couple of weeks ago, so it's too new for me. I have to, ahem, roll it around in my mouth for a while, as it were, to see what I think of it. My first reaction is to say, "don't be a pussy," but I suppose that's homophobic, somehow, too, or at least misogynist.

The thing is, am I expected to rid my vocabulary of all vulgar insults? I'm not prepared to do that. I might call you a goat-f*cking son of a whore. In truth, though, I don't really care if your mother actually was a prostitute. It wouldn't really make me think less of you. In all truth, I'm not even sure I care if you do f*ck goats. Shouldn't I be concerned that using that slur is offensive to the (surely) millions of Americans whose mother was forced to take a job she didn't want, or the (surely) fewer Americans who enjoy a good laying down of their lion with the lambs? We all have our little perversions. If I call you a bastard, it certainly doesn't mean that in 2014, I give remotely a f*ck if your parents were married. Prick? That's insensitive towards penis-Americans. We've already ruled out retard, ni**er and fa**ot are shockingly offensive everywhere outside of Youtube comments and Xbox live, and Jew bastard is right out. What about motherf*cker? Sister fister? Do I honestly care if you recycle your genetic materials? I can't say that I do. I suppose gobshiate wouldn't offend anyone, unless they eat the poo-poo.

What's left, though, when I'm done insulting anyone whom I could unintentionally offend? What words can I use to properly insult only my specific targets? When, for that matter, did we decide that expletives shouldn't be offensive? That's sort of their whole purpose in life: to be offensive; when no other word will do. Where shall the line be drawn? Are we required to come up with a whole new list of insults? Even if I called these souls-for-sale politicians by calling them Madoffs, or McConnells, or Cheneys, there surely are innocent old grandmothers with those last names who have never done anything to deserve such comparisons.
 
2014-04-19 01:49:19 AM

TopoGigo: am I expected to rid my vocabulary of all vulgar insults?


not at all.  just don't be so surprised if you continue to get called out on such things.  cocksucker as a pejorative has a negative connotation that is directly related with using the word to denigrate a man as doing something only women should be doing and there's really no way around that.  same thing as calling a guy a pussy; it's an attempt at emasculation.  misogynist or homophobic you probably aren't.  perhaps you should update your vocabulary to reflect such?
 
2014-04-19 03:19:26 AM

Acravius: Tetrazphere

All of what you have said is correct. However it is only correct from the 16th to the 20th century.

Today, there is so little cutting edge tech being introduced at the level that it is being produced that even though it is only 14 years into this century, the old systems are now roughly 1000 times obsolete, and the capitalist systems are unable to respond to this in a way that delivers the products available to serve the needs of the marketplace, as efficiency is threatening to wipe out the inherent inefficiency of profit margin driven investment. Essentially if all of the technology that we have invented in just the last 14 years were to be fully implemented, the general public would be able to bypass the existing marketplace, and for the most part bypass all of the arbitrage points that are currently available to market organizers and managers.

Currently the inefficiencies in the marketplace today, cost every household in America roughly $60 dollars a day.
Because of the larger technology gap in lesser developed regions of the world, they have even higher inefficiencies, and when adjusted for PPP, their cost is the equivalent of $300 dollars a day.
Adding in all of the other externalities that the developing world struggles with along with the amount of additional burdens being jettisoned from the industrialized nations onto those same developing countries, we can see that the capitalist system which has worked so well in the past, are in the process of falling apart on a large scale, and unless modified into or contravened by a more progressive system of wealth/resource distribution, could have dire consequences for everyone, including the industrialized nations.


I absolutely agree, I would just add one further dimension to this -that an advancement in the psychological stage of development in any given culture or nation, must progress along with the economic system itself. If you throw a nation who has no unified leadership...let's say 20 tribal groups spread across vast lands...even in egalitarian friendly green spheres of economic systems, the tribal leaders will still consult with superstitious elder beliefs for instance. Or if you give socialized money of any kind to any groups with a survival of the fittest attitude (Saddam's regime to inner-city gangs masquerading as marginalized victims) it not only waste the funds but feeds the beast. It's necessary even before getting the infrastructure in place and running, that the people of the nations actually see and hear in  language they understand the value of progressing to higher psychological stages...but these stages cannot be jumped...all humans have to develop  through them, and the capitalistic ambitious attitude to succeed and become winners is a stage all humans must pass through. And the inefficiencies you cite in developing nations in a technological marketplace are likely a direct correlate of psychological vs technological/economic stage.
 
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