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(Oregon Live)   There are lots of things you can teach a six-year-old. How to ride a Harley Davidson by himself probably shouldn't be one of them   (oregonlive.com) divider line 106
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2014-04-17 03:23:46 PM  

StanTheMan: Crashed my Dad's Sportster at 12. Felt terrible about it. Fortunately, the shift peg and tank were the only damage, an easy fix that mom never found out about.


If you had to keep it from Mom then it counts as a bonding experience.
 
2014-04-17 03:25:35 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid:   So basically you are giving that power over to someone with the maturity level of the average sport bike rider.

^nailed it
 
2014-04-17 03:26:46 PM  
Did the same thing with my uncle on his Triumph TT Special when I was 6.
/listen to Moike about Boikes.
 
2014-04-17 03:26:56 PM  

Russ1642: StanTheMan: Crashed my Dad's Sportster at 12. Felt terrible about it. Fortunately, the shift peg and tank were the only damage, an easy fix that mom never found out about.

If you had to keep it from Mom then it counts as a bonding experience.


Keeping something from Mom is a bonding experience... I guess I had a LOT of those when I was a kid, still having some now at 39 too!
 
2014-04-17 03:27:49 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Derp, you don't steer a motorcycle with the handlebars. You steer it by leaning.


There's countersteer to consider, but at the speeds shown pushing on the handlebars is going to do very little that dad in the seat massively outweighing the kid on the balance side can't counter before he can grab the handlebars.

It might seem counter-intuitive, but a motorcycle is at it's most stable at highway speeds, and note that the road was empty.  Dad can have control of the handles again in less than a second, he just has to reach out.

As others have noted, the kid not wearing more safety gear than the helmet is the really big violation.  He should be wearing pants and at least a long sleeved shirt(preferably something heavy-duty).  Of course, of what we can see Dad's wearing the same stuff, so it doesn't look like he's taking his kid's safety less seriously than his own(not that it's at a good level anyways).

pute kisses like a man: / i still don't completely understand the outrage. you put your kids at risk of death everytime you enter a car. if you're on the highway and have an accident, the kids are probably dead no matter what you're driving.


Depends on the age and how they're protected.  A reasonably new and properly installed child seat provides MORE protection than what adults have.  If they're in the back seat and have a proper booster seat(if necessary), again, they're probably safer than the adults in front.

Highway accidents are a lot more survivable than even 30 years ago.  Model of car also matters - a Tesla is currently regarded as one of the safest cars ever.

way south: People really need to lighten up. With the gyroscopic forces in play, and the rider in control of the clutch and brake, the bike was committed to a straight line.


The clutch and front brake on a motorcycle are on the handlebars.  The adult rider had control of the rear brake(about 40% of braking power) and shifter.  The kid, in theory, had control over throttle, clutch, front brake, turn signals, horn, and engine switch.
 
2014-04-17 03:27:50 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: unyon: I find the kid riding in a t-shirt and shorts to be the offensive part of this video.  That's just bad parenting.

^^^^THIS


^^^ And Third
Motion passes, get the kid a proper jacket/pants and let `em have fun.
 
2014-04-17 03:41:35 PM  
Just out of curiosity, where do Triumph Bonnevilles fall in the range of bikes? Between a Ninja and a Harley, at either end?

I have one, but it's all I've ever had, and I have no desire to own a cruiser or crotch rocket right now.
 
2014-04-17 03:57:09 PM  

kroonermanblack: Just out of curiosity, where do Triumph Bonnevilles fall in the range of bikes? Between a Ninja and a Harley, at either end?

I have one, but it's all I've ever had, and I have no desire to own a cruiser or crotch rocket right now.


That's all you ever  reallyneed. The Bonneville is good at everything, great at nothing, and can be enjoyed at everything up to and beyond legal speeds. It's the one bike you should never get rid of. Just compliment it with other ends of the spectrum. There's joy in Harley's, there's joy in rockets, but the Bonny/Thruxton is really it's own. There are better bikes at better prices, but a better experience...I don't think so.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 04:00:03 PM  
Ever been to Mexico? They use bikes, mopeds, motorcycles, like we use tractor trailers.
 
2014-04-17 04:03:48 PM  
A real Bonneville slightly less so.
But they are prettier:
www.theworldofmotorcycles.com
 
2014-04-17 04:06:09 PM  
My Riding Class Instructions:
My drunk dad: "Use yer right hand and rev it wayyyy up. Then let go of that bar with your left hand and hang on!"
 
2014-04-17 04:06:21 PM  

pute kisses like a man: my mom tells a story about the day she almost divorced my dad.

he was taking us to the beach on his motorcycle (an old honda from way back when).  He put me and my older brother in front of him (we were 3 and 5) and my little brother in backpack on his back (he was 1).

my dad was pulled over by a cop who was so horrified that he just told my dad to walk home, leave the bike, and he would personally make sure he suffered if he ever saw this happen again.

/ i still don't completely understand the outrage.  you put your kids at risk of death everytime you enter a car.  if you're on the highway and have an accident, the kids are probably dead no matter what you're driving.  at least with my dad's case, he was never going faster than 20 mph on small, uncrowded residential streets.  however, i still think it was stupid.  really stupid, like don't do it again stupid.  but not enough stupid for outrage.


Hehe, my according to my parents my dad did something similar when I was somewhere around a year old. He stuffed me in his jacket with my face peeking out and took me for a ride without telling mom about it. Apparently someone else called to tell her they saw dad puttering around the country roads out near my gramma's place with my little head poking out of his jacket. She was a wee bit upset.
 
2014-04-17 04:13:49 PM  
Couch Pilots, Unite!
 
2014-04-17 04:14:49 PM  

Combustion: My Riding Class Instructions:
My drunk dad: "Use yer right hand and rev it wayyyy up. Then let go of that bar with your left hand and hang on!"


Ah yes, the famous moment of inertia lesson.
 
2014-04-17 04:19:27 PM  
Subby says "by himself".  Actual article says the kid was sitting in front of the dad.

/But subby lied and got a green light, so he's got that going for him.
 
2014-04-17 04:27:46 PM  

Delightful Mister Horse: Kid is at least wearing a helmet and that's doing better than most people that ride a Harley.

Hog riders, you know it's true.

/Squid Mildly responsible sport bike rider


that's funny because I too am self confessed. It's so hard to be good.
I can just about do it in the city. In the canyons, straight to hoon mode.
 
2014-04-17 04:37:03 PM  
Had one of these when I was 8
www.suzukicycles.org
I was doing wheelies, jump, and racing within a month of getting on for the first time.  Lots of spills, and learning experiences.  Like a horse, if you fall off get back on and try again.  It is called the school of hard knocks.  No other way to gain the experience.

As for the article, other than proper clothing, the father had everything under control.

According to subby, we should still be in the trees, and not walking around up right.
 
2014-04-17 04:40:52 PM  
At Five:

my50.co.za
 
2014-04-17 04:47:21 PM  
My cousin's kid (age 4), has an ATV. So far he's managed to hit my kid (who started out nowhere near the ATV, and did not move in the direction of it), his dad and my garage. He does have the proper clothing, but he's still dangerous with it.
 
2014-04-17 05:00:16 PM  

pute kisses like a man: my mom tells a story about the day she almost divorced my dad.

he was taking us to the beach on his motorcycle (an old honda from way back when).  He put me and my older brother in front of him (we were 3 and 5) and my little brother in backpack on his back (he was 1).

my dad was pulled over by a cop who was so horrified that he just told my dad to walk home, leave the bike, and he would personally make sure he suffered if he ever saw this happen again.

/ i still don't completely understand the outrage.  you put your kids at risk of death everytime you enter a car.  if you're on the highway and have an accident, the kids are probably dead no matter what you're driving.  at least with my dad's case, he was never going faster than 20 mph on small, uncrowded residential streets.  however, i still think it was stupid.  really stupid, like don't do it again stupid.  but not enough stupid for outrage.


your dad sounds awesome!!!
 
2014-04-17 05:03:10 PM  
I think your Dad sounds awesome.  I'll bet you have lots of happy memories of fun times with him so that makes him  a good Dad in my book.


pute kisses like a man: my mom tells a story about the day she almost divorced my dad.

he was taking us to the beach on his motorcycle (an old honda from way back when).  He put me and my older brother in front of him (we were 3 and 5) and my little brother in backpack on his back (he was 1).

my dad was pulled over by a cop who was so horrified that he just told my dad to walk home, leave the bike, and he would personally make sure he suffered if he ever saw this happen again.

/ i still don't completely understand the outrage.  you put your kids at risk of death everytime you enter a car.  if you're on the highway and have an accident, the kids are probably dead no matter what you're driving.  at least with my dad's case, he was never going faster than 20 mph on small, uncrowded residential streets.  however, i still think it was stupid.  really stupid, like don't do it again stupid.  but not enough stupid for outrage.

 
2014-04-17 05:16:37 PM  

Incetardis: kroonermanblack: Just out of curiosity, where do Triumph Bonnevilles fall in the range of bikes? Between a Ninja and a Harley, at either end?

I have one, but it's all I've ever had, and I have no desire to own a cruiser or crotch rocket right now.

That's all you ever  reallyneed. The Bonneville is good at everything, great at nothing, and can be enjoyed at everything up to and beyond legal speeds. It's the one bike you should never get rid of. Just compliment it with other ends of the spectrum. There's joy in Harley's, there's joy in rockets, but the Bonny/Thruxton is really it's own. There are better bikes at better prices, but a better experience...I don't think so.

[img.fark.net image 850x637]


That's why I bought it initially.  I've been riding about a year now (Bonny 1 was carbs, winter came, I rode through, said fark you, traded for Bonny 2, which is fuel injects and also the only new vehicle I've ever bought and/or will, I think). I was unsure where to start, and it got great ratings as a new bike, and I loved the look, and had always wanted one that looked like that. Found a dealer-restored 2002 with like 2500 miles on it and a brand new engine for 5k. Bought it.  Only thing it ever lacked in was fuel injection, and I swapped to one with that feature.

Haven't found anything it can't handle yet, but even using it for a primary vehicle, I pretty much stick to 20-40 mile rides.  I never had much interest in crotch rockets, didn't like the look and now I imagine I wouldn't like the ride position, and I sure as hell don't like/want the speed.  And Harleys always seemed more about farkING LOOK AT farkING ME I farkING RIDE A farkING HARLEY MAN, than anything intrinsic to the bike. The styling is generic, and you can get the same performance from a much cheaper bike. Plus it seems a cult of personality thing, where most HD guys are dicks too.
 
2014-04-17 05:18:58 PM  
My grandfather knew a guy that owned a horse racing track. When I was four he threw me behind him, and took me for a full speed ride around the track. The horse hit some mud in a turn and fell. He managed to grab me and make sure I landed on him and not the ground. The horse also fell on him. Anyway, I didn't have a scratch and grandpa probably had a few bruises. My mother just about killed him though. Oh, and the horse was ok too.
 
2014-04-17 05:19:23 PM  
As someone who started riding a yz80 at 10 years old...alone, the only thing making me mad about this is that as people noted, he's not wearing appropriate riding clothes.
 
2014-04-17 05:23:27 PM  

pute kisses like a man: my mom tells a story about the day she almost divorced my dad.

he was taking us to the beach on his motorcycle (an old honda from way back when).  He put me and my older brother in front of him (we were 3 and 5) and my little brother in backpack on his back (he was 1).

my dad was pulled over by a cop who was so horrified that he just told my dad to walk home, leave the bike, and he would personally make sure he suffered if he ever saw this happen again.

/ i still don't completely understand the outrage.  you put your kids at risk of death everytime you enter a car.  if you're on the highway and have an accident, the kids are probably dead no matter what you're driving.  at least with my dad's case, he was never going faster than 20 mph on small, uncrowded residential streets.  however, i still think it was stupid.  really stupid, like don't do it again stupid.  but not enough stupid for outrage.


That's because he was your dad.  You know he wasn't trying to hurt you, and I bet that even if you kids did get hurt you wouldn't feel outrage towards him.
 
2014-04-17 05:25:00 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Subby is also upset about dads letting their kids take the wheel for a bit in a car.

Fun is dead. Too many whiny knotted-pantie peeps desperate to try out their fainting couches.


^^^^THIS!!
 
2014-04-17 05:30:36 PM  
kroonermanblack

To be fair, every make/type has it's stigma - I believe we would be hipsters by default for having the audacity to ride a classic.

I know myself well enough to be sure that a crotch rocket would land me in jail or worse. Not to mention that "dog farking a football" riding position. No thanks. Amazing pieces of kit, just not (too much!) for me. The only other bikes I would have considered are the Guzzi V7 and maybe a CB1100 - but the power gap between them was unfortunate. The V7 had not quite enough, and the CB had a little too much. The Thruxton was a perfect compromise. Especially with the English twin - it's like the Chevy small block of bikes. The sky is the limit when you're ready for more power.

Next bike will be a dirt bike/motard, especially if I can land this house in the boonies I've spent all damn day doing clerical bullshiat for.
 
2014-04-17 05:32:42 PM  
Big deal.
media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-17 05:33:02 PM  
I have no problem with this at all. In fact, it was my one year old that piloted our Harley Soft Tail to the marina the day we departed in our leaky sailboat for our round the world sail. And she had just come off of a major attack of salmonella. She's a rock!

Rebelheart parent
 
2014-04-17 05:47:25 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Derp, you don't steer a motorcycle with the handlebars. You steer it by leaning.

[piratenews.org image 200x195]

That being said, you have 60% of the braking and all of the throttle being controlled by a little kid. So basically you are giving that power over to someone with the maturity level of the average sport bike rider.


know how i know you haven't ridden a motorcycle before?
/or if you have, you weren't good at it
/countersteering... how does it work?
 
2014-04-17 05:52:20 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Derp, you don't steer a motorcycle with the handlebars. You steer it by leaning.

[piratenews.org image 200x195]

That being said, you have 60% of the braking and all of the throttle being controlled by a little kid. So basically you are giving that power over to someone with the maturity level of the average sport bike rider.


i see your bad take or poor troll attempt (which got some bites..so a decent troll...6/10) has been thoroughly covered
carry on please
 
2014-04-17 05:53:16 PM  
kroonermanblack:. Plus it seems a cult of personality thing, where most HD guys are dicks too.

Us Ducati guys are totall asshats as well...

gallery.moike.net

/fuel into noise
//that's all it's good for.
 
2014-04-17 05:59:00 PM  
That poor seat, that poor gas tank. It didnt do anything wrong, it just wanted to be useful. And somebody went and farked it all up.
 
2014-04-17 06:20:29 PM  

Incetardis: kroonermanblack: Just out of curiosity, where do Triumph Bonnevilles fall in the range of bikes? Between a Ninja and a Harley, at either end?

I have one, but it's all I've ever had, and I have no desire to own a cruiser or crotch rocket right now.

That's all you ever  reallyneed. The Bonneville is good at everything, great at nothing, and can be enjoyed at everything up to and beyond legal speeds. It's the one bike you should never get rid of. Just compliment it with other ends of the spectrum. There's joy in Harley's, there's joy in rockets, but the Bonny/Thruxton is really it's own. There are better bikes at better prices, but a better experience...I don't think so.

[img.fark.net image 850x637]


I own a T B 05 790 with 100K miles on the clock. No commuting just hill bombing.
I agree with your summation.  They are just a really fun bike and bulletproof.
I'm in the process of tearing mine down. Engine gone through and all bearings.
I'd never sell it.

Engine will get a 988 big bore+stroke, FCR carbs.
 
2014-04-17 06:23:47 PM  

moike: kroonermanblack:. Plus it seems a cult of personality thing, where most HD guys are dicks too.

Us Ducati guys are totall asshats as well...

[gallery.moike.net image 800x600]

/fuel into noise
//that's all it's good for.


Bullshiat. It's great at getting LEO's attention.
 
2014-04-17 06:24:13 PM  

orclover: That poor seat, that poor gas tank. It didnt do anything wrong, it just wanted to be useful. And somebody went and farked it all up.


Personally I'm hoping it's a 'Before we paint it' picture.
 
2014-04-17 06:25:07 PM  
Harley? Yeah, that's child abuse.
 
2014-04-17 06:30:07 PM  
blender61

988 would be a hoot. I'm think I'm gonna ease into more power with the 865 Hi-Perf kit (I have a 2010, ergo EFI) for a nice mid-top end bump. I'm still a relatively new rider so I'll sort out the suspension and such first. Just got my BC Slammer seat in the mail. HAS to be more comfortable than that prison shower experience the stock seat offers.
 
2014-04-17 06:41:23 PM  
Had a Harley 90 when we were kids.
 
2014-04-17 06:46:51 PM  

Firethorn: orclover: That poor seat, that poor gas tank. It didnt do anything wrong, it just wanted to be useful. And somebody went and farked it all up.

Personally I'm hoping it's a 'Before we paint it' picture.


Paint is for trailer queens...
 
2014-04-17 06:59:28 PM  

Incetardis: blender61

988 would be a hoot. I'm think I'm gonna ease into more power with the 865 Hi-Perf kit (I have a 2010, ergo EFI) for a nice mid-top end bump. I'm still a relatively new rider so I'll sort out the suspension and such first. Just got my BC Slammer seat in the mail. HAS to be more comfortable than that prison shower experience the stock seat offers.


ping me at:  my fark nik   yahoo
I know theses bikes and will be happy to talk.
 
2014-04-17 07:39:09 PM  

noblewolf: Had one of these when I was 8
[www.suzukicycles.org image 640x480]
I was doing wheelies, jump, and racing within a month of getting on for the first time.  Lots of spills, and learning experiences.  Like a horse, if you fall off get back on and try again.  It is called the school of hard knocks.  No other way to gain the experience.

At 8, you was a bad wammer jammer.  Bet you got the girls.


Kids are fearless and pick things up so quickly. If you get them started in the right direction they will surprise you every time.  They're like little Gumbys with moldable, impressionable brains. For better or worse.
The hits that I would take as a kid. Fark it, just get back up and try again.
We didn't call it practice. we were just having fun.

I started at 7.
45 years later and I'm still here.  Life long friends are sure that I'ma going to die the very next time I throw a leg over.
They just don't get it.

>"the school of hard knocks. No other way to gain the experience. "
No.
Being taken under the wing really helps.  Learn the easy way if given the opportunity. Observe, listen, think and analyse .  Above all else, think. Your life depends on it.

 
2014-04-17 07:44:08 PM  

Deacon Blue: Yeah, but if the kid starts riding at 6, just imagine how badass he'll be at 20


Assuming he lives so long.
 
2014-04-17 07:56:50 PM  
I did this on the front of my Dad's Harley when I was a kid. It was one of the most amazing and scary moments of my life. It probably isn't smart to do this, but holy shiat was it fun!
 
2014-04-17 08:36:02 PM  

MechaPyx: Deacon Blue: Yeah, but if the kid starts riding at 6, just imagine how badass he'll be at 20

Assuming he lives so long.


That is very true.  The hormone driven years are very iffy and familiarity breeds contempt. Every kid KNOWS he is superman.
I buried 2 within 3 weeks of each other learning that lesson. They both had serious skills. Both died on bikes. Neither was their fault, but they were just as dead.
 
2014-04-17 08:45:30 PM  

orclover: That poor seat, that poor gas tank. It didnt do anything wrong, it just wanted to be useful. And somebody went and farked it all up.


Well, the seat I don't get, but I think the fuel tank looks spiffy. I like stuff that's been weathered then clear-coated, and it fits the overall theme of that bike.
 
2014-04-17 10:30:04 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid:

That being said, you have 60% of the braking and all of the throttle being controlled by a little kid. So basically you are giving that power over to someone with the maturity level of the average sport bike rider.

You have essentially 100% of the braking, as the front brakes aren't even necessary, and who the hell cares who has the throttle? It's not a race bike, it's a Harley. In high gear all it does is make a different sound.

When did people become such pussies?
 
2014-04-18 02:50:49 AM  
And the problem with that is.....?

/learned to drive a motorbike at 8.
//car at 12.
 
2014-04-18 07:51:29 AM  

inner ted: Because People in power are Stupid: Derp, you don't steer a motorcycle with the handlebars. You steer it by leaning.

[piratenews.org image 200x195]

That being said, you have 60% of the braking and all of the throttle being controlled by a little kid. So basically you are giving that power over to someone with the maturity level of the average sport bike rider.

i see your bad take or poor troll attempt (which got some bites..so a decent troll...6/10) has been thoroughly covered
carry on please


Oh common, there were so many tears in this thread that I can fill my pony keg with them. 1/10 for barely noticing.
 
2014-04-18 10:06:14 AM  

Dwindle: Because People in power are Stupid:

That being said, you have 60% of the braking and all of the throttle being controlled by a little kid. So basically you are giving that power over to someone with the maturity level of the average sport bike rider.

You have essentially 100% of the braking, as the front brakes aren't even necessary, and who the hell cares who has the throttle? It's not a race bike, it's a Harley. In high gear all it does is make a different sound.

When did people become such pussies?


Look, another non-rider chiming in.

Front brake is roughly 75% of braking power. That's moto 101, kid.
 
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