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2014-04-17 12:59:47 PM
#woah #wow
 
2014-04-17 01:04:41 PM
Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP
 
2014-04-17 01:08:48 PM
So they agree that the numbers won't be comparable to previous years and shouldn't be used to argue for or against Obamacare's effectiveness.  Conspiracy or not, let's make sure we remember to properly criticize anybody who tries to make the comparison.
 
2014-04-17 01:09:33 PM
Bad news concerning economy, health care, or anything else = "We told you 0bama sucks!!1!"

Good news = "0bama's cooking the books!!"

Seriously, teabaggers, aren't you getting tired of being laughed at?  SHEESH!!
 
2014-04-17 01:29:08 PM

serial_crusher: So they agree that the numbers won't be comparable to previous years and shouldn't be used to argue for or against Obamacare's effectiveness.  Conspiracy or not, let's make sure we remember to properly criticize anybody who tries to make the comparison.


Except that the changes will be made starting for surveys that cover the year 2013, which happens to be before the big expansion of coverage through Medicaid and the exchanges. Will we lose continuity with data for years before 2013? Sure, but that will happen any time you update the questions on a survey to improve the reliability of a measure.
 
2014-04-17 01:34:56 PM
We can now pinpoint the exact moment when the Obamacare Census Bureau conspiracy theory lost its intellectual credibility on the right.

#1 - I don't see intellectual credibility being a big concern by most of the people mentioned there.

#2 - Birtherism is still a thing.   Nothing is debunked to these types - ever.
 
2014-04-17 02:38:29 PM
Oh no! The conspiracy got to them too!
 
2014-04-17 02:39:28 PM
My rightwing Nutjob Co-Worker had Rush on today.  Someone called in, and she said she was going to falsify her Census because something something I'm crazy Obama.
 
2014-04-17 02:44:12 PM

Almet: My rightwing Nutjob Co-Worker had Rush on today.  Someone called in, and she said she was going to falsify her Census because something something I'm crazy Obama.


If the GOP really wanted to shrink the gumt, they'd encourage everyone in the country to fill out their census with zeroes. If it looks like the country's completely empty, the feds would just pack up and leave!
 
2014-04-17 02:53:27 PM

Arkanaut: Oh no! The conspiracy got to them too!


It's like some sort of contagious disease. We need some sort of healthcare program to stop that sort of thing from spreading!
 
2014-04-17 02:55:25 PM
I love that mainstream conservative organizations basically have to spend a good chunk of time and resources defusing the paranoid wingnuttery that has taken over the GOP. Pretty soon we'll see conservative PR groups dedicated solely to walking back the latest rape comments.
 
2014-04-17 02:55:29 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP


It's possible they still remember it was their idea. Not likely, but possible.
 
2014-04-17 03:06:45 PM
"Do you have health insurance?"

I'm trying hard to come up with different ways to ask that question, ways in which you could suggest to the respondent to answer in a certain way.  But I just can't do it - it's an yes/no question.  It's like trying to skew the results of the census question "Gender?  M / F"
 
2014-04-17 03:10:07 PM

Karac: "Do you have health insurance?"

I'm trying hard to come up with different ways to ask that question, ways in which you could suggest to the respondent to answer in a certain way.  But I just can't do it - it's an yes/no question.  It's like trying to skew the results of the census question "Gender?  M / F"


Po

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wait for it

To!

That spells spoon.
 
2014-04-17 03:13:34 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America (LOPCATGOPATA for short):Liberals Link
Democrats Link
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2014-04-17 03:15:54 PM
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2014-04-17 03:17:59 PM

Karac: "Do you have health insurance?"

I'm trying hard to come up with different ways to ask that question, ways in which you could suggest to the respondent to answer in a certain way.  But I just can't do it - it's an yes/no question.  It's like trying to skew the results of the census question "Gender?  M / F"


Do you currently have health insurance?

At any point during the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

For how many of the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

In which of the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

Then add in permutation of asking about your family having health insurance, which members of your family have health insurance, etc.
 
2014-04-17 03:20:36 PM

Karac: "Do you have health insurance?"

I'm trying hard to come up with different ways to ask that question, ways in which you could suggest to the respondent to answer in a certain way.  But I just can't do it - it's an yes/no question.  It's like trying to skew the results of the census question "Gender?  M / F"


Hehehehehe...got my last employee signed up through Covered California well before the deadline. He's a part-timer who's in his 50's and a high school dropout who hasn't had insurance nor seen a doctor since the 70's. He was pretty hesitant until we showed him he made so little money that his out-of-pocket is zero. Now I just have to talk him into getting a thorough checkup as a starter.
 
2014-04-17 03:22:59 PM
Cook the books seems like it would be a favorite phrase of Sarah Palin.
 
2014-04-17 03:23:03 PM

mrshowrules: Peter von Nostrand: Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America (LOPCATGOPATA for short):
...
Google Cache Link
Guns & Ammo Magazine Link
American Enterprise Institute (Conservative Think Tank) Link
Pope Francis Link
Fred Rogers Link
American Enterprise Institute Link


You said AEI twice..
 
2014-04-17 03:23:46 PM

GardenWeasel: mrshowrules: Peter von Nostrand: Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America (LOPCATGOPATA for short):
...
Google Cache Link
Guns & Ammo Magazine Link
American Enterprise Institute (Conservative Think Tank) Link
Pope Francis Link
Fred Rogers Link
American Enterprise Institute Link

You said AEI twice..


He really likes AEI.
 
2014-04-17 03:27:08 PM
ethicsalarms.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-17 03:28:19 PM

Serious Black: Karac: "Do you have health insurance?"

I'm trying hard to come up with different ways to ask that question, ways in which you could suggest to the respondent to answer in a certain way.  But I just can't do it - it's an yes/no question.  It's like trying to skew the results of the census question "Gender?  M / F"

Do you currently have health insurance?

At any point during the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

For how many of the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

In which of the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

Then add in permutation of asking about your family having health insurance, which members of your family have health insurance, etc.


Tried to find the specific old/new wording of the question, but the best I could come up with so far is:

The old questionnaire asked consumers if they had various types of coverage at any time in the prior year. The new survey asks if they have insurance at the time of the interview - in February, March or April - then uses follow-up questions to find out when that coverage began and what months it was in effect. Using this technique, census officials believe they will be able to reconstruct the history of coverage month by month over a period of about 15 months.

Also

Census officials and researchers have long expressed concerns about the old version of insurance questions in the Current Population Survey, and for more than a decade the agency has been trying to make it more accurate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/politics/census-survey-revision s- mask-health-law-effects.html?hp&_r=0
 
2014-04-17 03:28:54 PM
Derps keep derping. Film at never because it's not worth it to give the conspiracy theorists any attention.
 
2014-04-17 03:29:28 PM

GardenWeasel: mrshowrules: Peter von Nostrand: Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America (LOPCATGOPATA for short):
...
Google Cache Link
Guns & Ammo Magazine Link
American Enterprise Institute (Conservative Think Tank) Link
Pope Francis Link
Fred Rogers Link
American Enterprise Institute Link

You said AEI twice..


I didn't notice.  Actually the last few times I've been asked to add a group, they were already on the list.  I think we have achieved peek derp.
 
2014-04-17 03:31:57 PM

mrshowrules: GardenWeasel: mrshowrules: Peter von Nostrand: Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America (LOPCATGOPATA for short):
...
Google Cache Link
Guns & Ammo Magazine Link
American Enterprise Institute (Conservative Think Tank) Link
Pope Francis Link
Fred Rogers Link
American Enterprise Institute Link

You said AEI twice..

I didn't notice.  Actually the last few times I've been asked to add a group, they were already on the list.  I think we have achieved peek derp.


Given that Ted Cruz is on the LOPCATGOPATA, I think this is a given.
 
2014-04-17 03:34:15 PM

Serious Black: mrshowrules: GardenWeasel: mrshowrules: Peter von Nostrand: Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America (LOPCATGOPATA for short):
...
Google Cache Link
Guns & Ammo Magazine Link
American Enterprise Institute (Conservative Think Tank) Link
Pope Francis Link
Fred Rogers Link
American Enterprise Institute Link

You said AEI twice..

I didn't notice.  Actually the last few times I've been asked to add a group, they were already on the list.  I think we have achieved peek derp.

Given that Ted Cruz is on the LOPCATGOPATA, I think this is a given.


There are 7 circles of derp. We have only penetrated the 1st layer.
 
2014-04-17 03:36:58 PM
Yeah, they must have cooked the books.  ObamaCare couldn't possibly have worked on its own, because no one actually gives a shiat about having health care.  If it's not the stupidest argument ever, you can certainly see it from there.
 
2014-04-17 03:37:47 PM
 Rush Limbaugh explained that the "Regime" is "changing the questions that they ask people here to rig the results, and if you don't like it, you are a racist."

Spewing baseless accusations =/= "explaining".
 
2014-04-17 03:50:44 PM
the Obamans

Stretch your neck out, because you really need to see this:

F*CK YOURSELVES

 
2014-04-17 03:51:49 PM

theknuckler_33: Census officials and researchers have long expressed concerns about the old version of insurance questions in the Current Population Survey, and for more than a decade the agency has been trying to make it more accurate.


www.strangecosmos.com

Between this and the Bundy thing, BOB must sure be racking up the miles on this thing lately.
Well, as 'lately' as can be defined in the context of time travel.
 
2014-04-17 03:53:19 PM

Karac: "Do you have health insurance?"

I'm trying hard to come up with different ways to ask that question, ways in which you could suggest to the respondent to answer in a certain way.  But I just can't do it - it's an yes/no question.  It's like trying to skew the results of the census question "Gender?  M / F"


You're "an yes/no question."
 
2014-04-17 03:55:21 PM

Karac: BOB


F*CK YOURSELF
 
2014-04-17 04:13:05 PM

thamike: Karac: BOB

F*CK YOURSELF


With access to a time machine, that isn't that difficult to achieve.
Assuming, of course, that your time machine doesn't use Back to the Future II rules.
 
2014-04-17 04:16:34 PM
GardenWeasel:  There are 7 circles of derp. We have only penetrated the 1st layer.
 
2014-04-17 04:18:53 PM

Karac: thamike: Karac: BOB

F*CK YOURSELF

With access to a time machine, that isn't that difficult to achieve.
Assuming, of course, that your time machine doesn't use Back to the Future II rules.


Point of contention:  One can easily f*ck oneself using Back to the Future II rules.  I've done it, and plan on doing it again, repeatedly.
 
2014-04-17 04:19:53 PM
I'm a bit.... Confused why he's arguing that it's stupid to EVER change the survey.  Am I reading that right?
 
2014-04-17 04:22:12 PM
There's no conspiracy

There's always a conspiracy.
 
2014-04-17 04:23:12 PM

thamike: Karac: thamike: Karac: BOB

F*CK YOURSELF

With access to a time machine, that isn't that difficult to achieve.
Assuming, of course, that your time machine doesn't use Back to the Future II rules.

Point of contention:  One can easily f*ck oneself using Back to the Future II rules.  I've done it, and plan on doing it again, repeatedly.


I prefer Futurama's Roswell that Ends Well rules personally.

/I did do the nasty in the pasty
 
2014-04-17 04:23:35 PM

sendtodave: There's no conspiracy

There's always a conspiracy.


There's no conspiracy.  We mean it, this time.
 
2014-04-17 04:24:50 PM

MFAWG: Peter von Nostrand: Put them on the list of those conspiring against the GOP

It's possible they still remember it was their idea. Not likely, but possible.


No one on the right does, which is all that matters
 
2014-04-17 04:25:42 PM

thamike: sendtodave: There's no conspiracy

There's always a conspiracy.

There's no conspiracy.  We mean it, this time.


Unless you're conspiring to convince others there's no conspiracy
 
2014-04-17 04:27:29 PM

thamike: Karac: thamike: Karac: BOB

F*CK YOURSELF

With access to a time machine, that isn't that difficult to achieve.
Assuming, of course, that your time machine doesn't use Back to the Future II rules.

Point of contention:  One can easily f*ck oneself using Back to the Future II rules.  I've done it, and plan on doing it again, repeatedly.


No, you can't.  Under Back to the Future rules coming into contact with yourself in another time either sends you into shock and makes you pass out, or creates a paradox which unravels space and destroys a very localized area limited to our galaxy.

You may have been using Timerider rules.  The concepts are quite similar, DeLorean/train vs motorcycle, but there are differences.
 
2014-04-17 04:31:09 PM

Karac: No, you can't.  Under Back to the Future rules coming into contact with yourself in another time either sends you into shock and makes you pass out, or creates a paradox which unravels space and destroys a very localized area limited to our galaxy.


How does that NOT sound like proper f*cking?
 
2014-04-17 04:31:28 PM
Shouldn't the right wingers be happy that the census asks about health care. I mean they will have all this data talking about how much of a failure obamacare is.

Also I encourage all citizens of red states to not participate in the census. Texas having more Senators than congressmen would help us move in the right direction.
 
2014-04-17 04:32:09 PM

Peter von Nostrand: thamike: sendtodave: There's no conspiracy

There's always a conspiracy.

There's no conspiracy.  We mean it, this time.

Unless you're conspiring to convince others there's no conspiracy


Have you located the exits in your home?
 
2014-04-17 04:33:51 PM

Karac: No, you can't.  Under Back to the Future rules coming into contact with yourself in another time either sends you into shock and makes you pass out, or creates a paradox which unravels space and destroys a very localized area limited to our galaxy.


I thought those were TimeCop rules.
 
2014-04-17 04:37:17 PM

Serious Black: Karac: "Do you have health insurance?"

I'm trying hard to come up with different ways to ask that question, ways in which you could suggest to the respondent to answer in a certain way.  But I just can't do it - it's an yes/no question.  It's like trying to skew the results of the census question "Gender?  M / F"

Do you currently have health insurance?

At any point during the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

For how many of the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

In which of the previous twelve months did you have health insurance?

Then add in permutation of asking about your family having health insurance, which members of your family have health insurance, etc.


They should just ask the simple question:

"Do you have health insurance and if so, are you lying? Please answer Yes or No only."
 
2014-04-17 04:39:34 PM

Arkanaut: Karac: No, you can't.  Under Back to the Future rules coming into contact with yourself in another time either sends you into shock and makes you pass out, or creates a paradox which unravels space and destroys a very localized area limited to our galaxy.

I thought those were TimeCop rules.


Millennium Rules, but Kristofferson wants nothing to do with f*cking himself.

At least, that's what he said.

Kind of.
 
2014-04-17 04:42:38 PM

Serious Black: thamike: Karac: thamike: Karac: BOB

F*CK YOURSELF

With access to a time machine, that isn't that difficult to achieve.
Assuming, of course, that your time machine doesn't use Back to the Future II rules.

Point of contention:  One can easily f*ck oneself using Back to the Future II rules.  I've done it, and plan on doing it again, repeatedly.

I prefer Futurama's Roswell that Ends Well rules personally.

/I did do the nasty in the pasty


Indeed! And it is that past nastification that enables you to resist the brain-draining power of Fark!

Serious Black: thamike: Karac: thamike: Karac: BOB

F*CK YOURSELF

With access to a time machine, that isn't that difficult to achieve.
Assuming, of course, that your time machine doesn't use Back to the Future II rules.

Point of contention:  One can easily f*ck oneself using Back to the Future II rules.  I've done it, and plan on doing it again, repeatedly.

I prefer Futurama's Roswell that Ends Well rules personally.

/I did do the nasty in the pasty


If it turns out you were supposed to do it, for the love of god, don't not do it!
 
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