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(Yahoo)   According to TX prosecutors, an inmate with an IQ of 51 who was granted a new trial in 1983 but was mistakenly never retried or released, deliberately hid himself in jail for the next 30 years just so he could claim a "speedy trial" violation   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 21
    More: Asinine, speedy trial, Infraction, retrials, Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, prosecutors, Sixth Amendments, criminal appeals, sentenced to death  
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2014-04-17 02:48:04 PM
6 votes:

The_Six_Fingered_Man: StanTheMan: Because he hid from the system for 30 years. Now let's reward that.

Right. He hid from the system. In prison. For 30 years.

His trial was in 1977. His conviction was overturned in 1980. It was vacated in 1983. Since then, he has been sitting in prison without having legally committed a crime.


He was trespassing then.  That's illegal.
2014-04-17 02:20:12 PM
6 votes:
And Anne Frank is dethroned.
2014-04-17 03:02:41 PM
4 votes:

StanTheMan: The_Six_Fingered_Man: StanTheMan: LordJiro: StanTheMan: Fark him, the murdering scumbag was sentenced to death and should have been executed a long time ago. RTFA.

Because Texas has never sentenced an innocent man to death, right?

Except there is not even an allegation he is innocent, dipwad.

Well, he's certainly not guilty. After all, that's the result when a conviction is vacated.

Because he hid from the system for 30 years. Now let's reward that.

This guy sounds like the perfect cause celebre for libs. They can make him a civil rights icon like Tookie Williams or Mumia.



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2014-04-17 02:24:07 PM
4 votes:
51 is considered a genius in Texas.
2014-04-17 02:39:31 PM
3 votes:
Maybe he can claim squatter's rights and actually be the legal owner of his cell...
2014-04-17 02:18:53 PM
3 votes:
You're in the wrong line dumbass!
2014-04-17 02:13:56 PM
3 votes:
Wouldn't it be a SpEd-y trial?
2014-04-17 02:11:52 PM
2 votes:
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2014-04-17 02:08:06 PM
2 votes:
So what was the IQ of the jailers?
2014-04-17 05:27:48 PM
1 votes:
I am skeptical that a black man with an IQ of 51 got a fair trial for the murder of a white woman in Texas in 1977.
2014-04-17 05:14:06 PM
1 votes:

Securitywyrm: StanTheMan: Magorn: according to the Internets an IQ score of 55 put this guy in the "Barely able to function on his own" range and only about 10 points above Chimps or Dolphins.  Not only would it probably be unconstitutional to execute him, but the prosecutor's ability to get a conviction that will stand up on appeal given the lack of witnesses and evidence at this point is virtually nil.  Why the hell is TX willing to take the PR hit and re-try this guy instead of realizing that he's already done 3 decades in jail and basically just spring him for time served

There's some SCOTUS judicial activism that needs to be reversed. I don't care if your IQ is 55, you murder someone with premeditation and deliberation, you get the needle. Call it equal protection.

One problem with this made-up rule is that now all murder suspects attorneys hire IQ expert witnesses (i.e., whores) to show how dumb they are.

He has not been convicted of murder. The first trial was ruled invalid due to illegal actions by the prosecutors (In 1980s Texas, consider what sort of actions those entailed).


I think you are going to find out that this guy is typing responses by banging his junk up and down on the keyboard, this whole concept of "reason" isn't gonna work with him. Nor will "facts", or "Reading the Farking Article". You could try banging YOUR junk on the keyboard, and you might reach his communication level.
2014-04-17 02:59:01 PM
1 votes:

The_Six_Fingered_Man: StanTheMan: Because he hid from the system for 30 years. Now let's reward that.

Right. He hid from the system. In prison. For 30 years.

His trial was in 1977. His conviction was overturned in 1980. It was vacated in 1983. Since then, he has been sitting in prison without having legally committed a crime.


He's BLACK.  Pretty sure that's STILL a crime in parts of Texas...
2014-04-17 02:49:37 PM
1 votes:
When is he going to reimburse the taxpayer for all those punishment loaves?
2014-04-17 02:46:47 PM
1 votes:
Sounds like the inmate wasn't the only person there with an IQ of 51.
2014-04-17 02:43:23 PM
1 votes:

StanTheMan: HemorrhagingKarma: StanTheMan: Fark him, the murdering scumbag was sentenced to death and should have been executed a long time ago. RTFA.

FTFA: "On March 4, 1983, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals formally vacated Hartfield's conviction."

Did you RTFA?

Yes I did. And it was because he couldn't get a juror who was against the death penalty? Really?

This PoS should have been needled 30 years ago.


Not because he couldn't get a juror who was against the death penalty, but because a juror was unconstitutionally barred from the jury.

FTFA: "because prosecutors had unconstitutionally precluded from the jury a woman who had reservations about the death penalty. "

Maybe I should rephrase the question: Did you understand the article?
2014-04-17 02:34:38 PM
1 votes:

LarryDan43: 51 is considered a genius in Texas.


It exceeds that of the judge and the governor of Texas by a good bit.
2014-04-17 01:02:09 PM
1 votes:
Once global warming raises the oceans enough to cover Florida, we WILL get our Texas tag.

So we have that going for us.  Which is nice.
2014-04-17 12:55:00 PM
1 votes:

Delta1212: The judge literally called the 33 years he spent in jail "pre-trial detention."


and further noted the guy didn't seem to mind being locked up. IN PRISON. FOR 30 YEARS, so no harm, no foul... "there is no evidence that Hartfield has suffered any anxiety relating to his pretrial detention."

The decades-long delay in a retrial actually benefited Hartfield, Judge Estlinbaum concluded last week, because it is far less likely today that he will be sentenced to death than it would have been had he been retried in the 1980s. The judge reached this conclusion in the same ruling in which he acknowledged that Hartfield's ability to mount an effective defense has been diminished by the passage of time and the loss of witnesses and evidence.



Homebody go re-animate Gen Sherman, I'm off to buy a shiatload of matches and Kerosene.   It's time.
2014-04-17 12:51:42 PM
1 votes:
Clever! You almost had us...
2014-04-17 12:39:12 PM
1 votes:
The judge literally called the 33 years he spent in jail "pre-trial detention."
2014-04-17 12:39:09 PM
1 votes:
You were clever, Raffles, but not clever enough for Texas
 
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