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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-17 12:17:26 PM  
If solar is seen as a threat by power companies then I guess it is becoming practical.
 
2014-04-17 12:25:41 PM  
I have a solar-powered flashlight. It only works in the daytime.
 
2014-04-17 12:27:27 PM  
I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.
 
2014-04-17 12:35:20 PM  

NecoConeco: If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99.


don't worry, the invisible hand of the free market will aahhh hhahahaha fark everything and everyone
 
2014-04-17 12:38:31 PM  

NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.


Sounds like the same crap some of the water companies pull around here. Whenever we're in drought conditions, they enact water restrictions to save water. Then they complain about not making as much money because everyone followed the restrictions. So, they raise water rates to make up for their monetary shortfall. Of course, they never lower the rates once restrictions are lifted.
 
2014-04-17 12:41:55 PM  
Hooray, let's punish people who care about the environment!
 
2014-04-17 12:43:49 PM  

NecoConeco: For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.



"Your bill is larger because you're using less of our product."

I don't blame them.
 
2014-04-17 12:47:38 PM  
While it's a stupid waste, would it be possible to circumvent this law by just prohibiting locally generated energy from entering the grid?
 
2014-04-17 01:03:35 PM  
SB 1456 was authored by Sen. A.J. Griffin, R-Guthrie, and sponsored by Rep. Mike Turner, R-Edmond.

So much for that whole "small government" shiat, eh Real American Republicans?
 
2014-04-17 01:07:21 PM  
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember this as part of the ALEC bills being pushed around the country.  I think this has been shot down in some states and obviously not in others.  This stinks of an ALEC bill.
 
2014-04-17 01:08:50 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.

Sounds like the same crap some of the water companies pull around here. Whenever we're in drought conditions, they enact water restrictions to save water. Then they complain about not making as much money because everyone followed the restrictions. So, they raise water rates to make up for their monetary shortfall. Of course, they never lower the rates once restrictions are lifted.


Lower prices? Inconceivable!

Profits must always increase.
 
2014-04-17 01:09:27 PM  
As the use of solar power skyrockets across the U.S., fights have sprung up in several states over how much customers should be compensated for excess power produced by their solar panels and sold back to the grid - a policy known as net metering. Net metering laws have come under fire from the secretive American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a group backed by fossil fuel corporations, utility companies, and the ultra-conservative Koch brothers. Forty-three states and the District of Columbia currently have net metering policies in place and ALEC has set its sights on repealing them,
Oklahoma "could be the first complete defeat for solar advocates in their fight against utility efforts to recover costs lost to DG [distributed generation] use,"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/04/16/3427392/oklahoma-fee-sol ar -wind/
 
2014-04-17 01:10:36 PM  

BizarreMan: Pokey.Clyde: NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.

Sounds like the same crap some of the water companies pull around here. Whenever we're in drought conditions, they enact water restrictions to save water. Then they complain about not making as much money because everyone followed the restrictions. So, they raise water rates to make up for their monetary shortfall. Of course, they never lower the rates once restrictions are lifted.

Lower prices? Inconceivable!

Profits must always increase.


"If you're not growing, you're dying!!"

/or something...
 
2014-04-17 01:14:47 PM  
Oklahoma's racking up derp points today on Fark.
 
2014-04-17 01:40:13 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: Sounds like the same crap some of the water companies pull around here. Whenever we're in drought conditions, they enact water restrictions to save water. Then they complain about not making as much money because everyone followed the restrictions. So, they raise water rates to make up for their monetary shortfall. Of course, they never lower the rates once restrictions are lifted.


Raising the rates in times of low water demand is reasonable, as the maintenance on the system is a mostly fixed expense.  It affects all customers, as does the burden of maintaining the water system.  Never dropping the rates when demand picks up, though?  Yeah that's sh*tty.
 
2014-04-17 01:48:01 PM  

factoryconnection: Pokey.Clyde: Sounds like the same crap some of the water companies pull around here. Whenever we're in drought conditions, they enact water restrictions to save water. Then they complain about not making as much money because everyone followed the restrictions. So, they raise water rates to make up for their monetary shortfall. Of course, they never lower the rates once restrictions are lifted.

Raising the rates in times of low water demand is reasonable, as the maintenance on the system is a mostly fixed expense.  It affects all customers, as does the burden of maintaining the water system.  Never dropping the rates when demand picks up, though?  Yeah that's sh*tty.


Shouldn't they instead have a fixed cost portion of the bill that covers connection and other static costs, and then a variable cost portion that covers usage.
 
2014-04-17 01:54:18 PM  

EvilEgg: Shouldn't they instead have a fixed cost portion of the bill that covers connection and other static costs, and then a variable cost portion that covers usage.


Either way, customers will pay for it, except that if you tie it to rates then those that use more (and thus create more maintenance stress on the system) will pay more.  That seems fair to me.
 
2014-04-17 01:59:41 PM  
Oh and we have the Rare and wonderful Oklahoma trifecta in play.
 
2014-04-17 02:09:18 PM  
If you like your higher electric bill you can keep your higher electric bill!
 
2014-04-17 02:11:59 PM  
Sounds like they are picking the winners.

B--b-b-but Free market! Free market!
 
2014-04-17 02:12:10 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: BizarreMan: Pokey.Clyde: NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.

Sounds like the same crap some of the water companies pull around here. Whenever we're in drought conditions, they enact water restrictions to save water. Then they complain about not making as much money because everyone followed the restrictions. So, they raise water rates to make up for their monetary shortfall. Of course, they never lower the rates once restrictions are lifted.

Lower prices? Inconceivable!

Profits must always increase.

"If you're not growing, you're dying!!"

/or something...


That really is the problem and it's been that way for decades now.  If profits don't continue to rise then that is exactly the same as losing money.  Profits are never, ever to level off or (god forbid) go down.  Even tho my understanding is that 'profit' is the term used for what is left after all expenses have been paid.
 
2014-04-17 02:14:06 PM  
Small Government*! Less regulation*!


*Void when profits drop
 
2014-04-17 02:14:33 PM  

NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.


I can understand a minimum monthly charge.  I would assume that the meter still has to be read, lines need to be maintained, trees trimmed, etc.  It makes sense that everyone pays a flat fee for having a connection to a service.

However, a fee for underutilizing a service, fark that.
 
2014-04-17 02:16:07 PM  

jst3p: If you like your higher electric bill you can keep your higher electric bill!


I'm trying real hard to figure out what your lame ass meme has to do with the OK legislature farking people over on behalf of their energy sector donors.
 
2014-04-17 02:18:55 PM  
you know last time i bought eight hotdogs from walmart and then tried to return nine they got very upset with me

i don't see why it's different for power
 
2014-04-17 02:22:15 PM  
I used to do collections for a major utility company. God, that was depressing.
 
2014-04-17 02:23:35 PM  

EvilEgg: factoryconnection: Pokey.Clyde: Sounds like the same crap some of the water companies pull around here. Whenever we're in drought conditions, they enact water restrictions to save water. Then they complain about not making as much money because everyone followed the restrictions. So, they raise water rates to make up for their monetary shortfall. Of course, they never lower the rates once restrictions are lifted.

Raising the rates in times of low water demand is reasonable, as the maintenance on the system is a mostly fixed expense.  It affects all customers, as does the burden of maintaining the water system.  Never dropping the rates when demand picks up, though?  Yeah that's sh*tty.

Shouldn't they instead have a fixed cost portion of the bill that covers connection and other static costs, and then a variable cost portion that covers usage.


That's what my water department does.  The first so-many gallons each month costs you a flat fee, whether use all the way up to that level or whether you don't use a drop.  After that there's some dollar amount per gallon extra.
 
2014-04-17 02:24:01 PM  
They already do it now, so this means it will be legal and allow them to add  on my illegal fees.

This state needs to be nuked.
With or without me still in it; getting to not matter anymore.
 
2014-04-17 02:24:09 PM  
OOOOOOKlahoma where the Derp now runs the show!
Solar power's a great big no-no,
we'll charge you more so we can buy more blow,
We pay our workers as low as we can go!
Oklahoma, No way!
 
2014-04-17 02:26:11 PM  
I'm pretty green, but even I understand the need for charges like this. If you really really really want to be 'full solar', then buy yourself all those bigass expensive ass batteries you need so you can power your house at night, and then pay to have them replaced every 5 years, and get fully off the grid. Otherwise, you're just using the grid as a battery, and then expecting not to pay for access? If the power company has to run lines and updated transformers (to handle accepting your power) for your home or neighborhood, then yeah, you've gotta pay for it. And yeah, YOU have to pay for it. Your neighbors shouldn't have to foot that expense for you paying less on your bill.

Kudos for using solar though.
 
2014-04-17 02:26:18 PM  
Yet another wonderful REPUBLICAN idea   (lets prong the middle class)
 
2014-04-17 02:26:49 PM  

sprawl15: you know last time i bought eight hotdogs from walmart and then tried to return nine they got very upset with me

i don't see why it's different for power


Bravo.
 
2014-04-17 02:28:02 PM  
As a conservative and an Oklahoman, all I have to say is I'm sure this could all be fixed by changing the name of the bill  to the EnergyJobs bill. That way, if someone opposes it, we can ask them why they are against creating jobs for Oklahomans in the energy industry.
 
2014-04-17 02:28:17 PM  

Blues_X: NecoConeco: For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.


"Your bill is larger because you're using less of our product."

I don't blame them.


Isn't it cyclical? Spring and summer, I use a lot of electric for air conditioning.  Since I hate bright light, I use strings of Christmas lights, candles, and 40 Watt bulbs.  I also hate artificial heat.  2 seaons = $$$$$$$$$   the other 2? $.
 
2014-04-17 02:29:10 PM  
Are they not satisfied with the standard monthly service fee they charge customers just for the privilege of being their customers? That's standard, right? I think all my utilities have charges like that added, ostensibly to cover meter reading, back office paperwork, or whatever.
 
2014-04-17 02:30:16 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.

Sounds like the same crap some of the water companies pull around here. Whenever we're in drought conditions, they enact water restrictions to save water. Then they complain about not making as much money because everyone followed the restrictions. So, they raise water rates to make up for their monetary shortfall. Of course, they never lower the rates once restrictions are lifted.


Or, even better, look at zero precedent for people ALREADY conserving when it looked like a drought was going to be declared. They essentially incentivize people to use more water in the month or two BEFORE a drought is declared so they get cut back to their usual rate.
 
2014-04-17 02:31:36 PM  
ALEC P. KEATON
 
2014-04-17 02:31:42 PM  
LOL. "Fark you, pay me."

Between this and the blanket ban on min wage increases, Oklahoma sure is looking pretty conservative and small-governmenty lately

/keep it up, OK, you're doing great!
 
2014-04-17 02:32:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: NecoConeco: If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99.

don't worry, the invisible hand of the free market will aahhh hhahahaha fark everything and everyone


Nothing like getting fist-f*cked by the Invisible Hand, right?
 
2014-04-17 02:33:04 PM  
God, I love my small government state.

Well, at least I personally don't own any of these ghey solar panels.

I'm sure they will never figure out a way to not put this charge on me, wink wink.
 
2014-04-17 02:34:21 PM  

serpent_sky: Spring and summer, I use a lot of electric for air conditioning. Since I hate bright light, I use strings of Christmas lights, candles, and 40 Watt bulbs. I also hate artificial heat. 2 seaons = $$$$$$$$$ the other 2? $.


is people wrapping themselves in christmas lights all summer a common thing where you're from

i assume you're from the north pole
 
2014-04-17 02:37:49 PM  

NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.


My friend disconnected over that kind of charge.
 
2014-04-17 02:38:13 PM  

NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.


Is there a reason that electric companies don't generally have a standard connection change to cover your first 1000kWhs? Its the way most water companies bill. I guess its just a historic relic in the way electricity was used/billed?
 
2014-04-17 02:38:31 PM  
world problems.

there's just NO competition, they rape rape you every chance they get & what are you gonna do about it?
I wish i was in a financial position to purchase some land drill for water, use propane & go solar.

fark these Fortune 500 utility holdings companies, fark Sempra Energy.
 
2014-04-17 02:43:24 PM  

Almet: NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonablte that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.

I can understand a minimum monthly charge.  I would assume that the meter still has to be read, lines need to be maintained, trees trimmed, etc.  It makes sense that everyone pays a flat fee for having a connection to a service.

However, a fee for underutilizing a service, fark that.


What they should do is decouple Fixed costs from Variable and have a subscription fee and then have an extra charge based on usage.

I think people would have a less of a problem with it and it might actually work.
 
2014-04-17 02:44:15 PM  
Hey You Guyyyyyyys!
 
2014-04-17 02:52:27 PM  

FnkyTwn: I'm pretty green, but even I understand the need for charges like this. If you really really really want to be 'full solar', then buy yourself all those bigass expensive ass batteries you need so you can power your house at night, and then pay to have them replaced every 5 years, and get fully off the grid. Otherwise, you're just using the grid as a battery, and then expecting not to pay for access? If the power company has to run lines and updated transformers (to handle accepting your power) for your home or neighborhood, then yeah, you've gotta pay for it. And yeah, YOU have to pay for it. Your neighbors shouldn't have t


I'm not sure I agree with that. First, around here in the summers, due to all the cranked A/Cs, everyone is encouraged to conserve electricity in order to avoid excessive strain on the grid. If I'm running off my own solar power, I've just eased the usage of the grid during their peak hours. Also, it's not as though the power I'm putting back out is going into some black hole. The utility company is selling that same power to someone else, no?
 
2014-04-17 02:52:49 PM  
Scum and villainy.
 
2014-04-17 02:56:56 PM  
With all that wind and sun in the summer, and to pay more?  Who wouldn't want to live in that hot flying trash hell hole?
 
2014-04-17 02:59:00 PM  

MindStalker: NecoConeco: I work for an electric company, and we've had that kind of charge since day 1. If a customer uses less than 1000 kWh per month, they get charged $9.99. That's always a fun call to handle. For some reason people think it's unreasonable that they get charged for following all the energy conservation tips we bombard them with.

Is there a reason that electric companies don't generally have a standard connection change to cover your first 1000kWhs? Its the way most water companies bill. I guess its just a historic relic in the way electricity was used/billed?


Is that $9.99 in addition to what would be considered normal billing? If so, I'd be really pissed off.
My power bill, for example, is a $7.00 "customer charge" plus $0.1079 per kWH used.
So for a winter power bill (332 kWH on the February bill that I'm looking at) it totaled out to $49.19 after various taxes and franchise fees were added. That's on a moderately sized 3BR house.

The "customer charge" is for stuff like line maintainence, meter reading, etc. I'd be pissed if I was billed another 100 kWH worth of usage because I used 670 less than what they think I should every month.

The only time we ever go over 1000 is in the hot summer months when the AC is running, Basically I'd be getting screwed for 8 months out of the year.
 
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