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2014-04-18 11:29:23 AM  

lantawa: This is a poorly delivered message, tardy participant in the thread. It (your message) is the usual vomited herpaderp of dull, brainwashed dogmatists everywhere. Look at the post directly above your post. The Fark article itself contains a reference to Baathism. But to you, it's all oh so obscure and oh so ephemeral. And BTW, vision and imagination would be pretty much synonyms, so suck it, Francis.


So, an article that "references" it is just as good as evidence to you?  Because someone says the words, that's evidence?  I'll let you in on a little secret - no one here is buying your bullshiat.  I can reference aliens in relation to the Kennedy assassination, but that's not evidence.  You've blustered and twisted yourself into absurdity, and have no credibility because you have produced nothing useful to the conversation.  Poking and prodding you has just become an amusing waste of time, since you made it clear several hundred posts ago you weren't interested in actually backing up your wild accusations.  You look like a fool.

Vision and imagination are not synonyms.  Not even close.  And neither are useful when making concrete claims of connections between an extremist world view and our political realities in the U.S.  I have vision and imagination about Angelina Jolie sleeping with me.  I may even reference an article written online that mentions the concept.  Neither is evidence of reality.

And I'll repeat it again, because it's the most important thing someone like you should ever hear:  Providing evidence isn't an arbitrary standard.  It's the standard for any useful discussion on any topic of debate.  At all.  Ever.  You literally can not get less arbitrary than that.  A person is not "brainwashed" because they demand facts to backup a claim.  It's what separates rational, useful discussion from the Glen Beck chalkboard crowd.
 
2014-04-18 11:43:16 AM  

Khellendros: So, an article that "references" it is just as good as evidence to you?  Because someone says the words, that's evidence?  I'll let you in on a little secret - no one here is buying your bullshiat.  I can reference aliens in relation to the Kennedy assassination, but that's not evidence.  You've blustered and twisted yourself into absurdity, and have no credibility because you have produced nothing useful to the conversation.  Poking and prodding you has just become an amusing waste of time, since you made it clear several hundred posts ago you weren't interested in actually backing up your wild accusations.  You look like a fool.

Vision and imagination are not synonyms.  Not even close.  And neither are useful when making concrete claims of connections between an extremist world view and our political realities in the U.S.  I have vision and imagination about Angelina Jolie sleeping with me.  I may even reference an article written online that mentions the concept.  Neither is evidence of reality.

And I'll repeat it again, because it's the most important thing someone like you should ever hear:  Providing evidence isn't an arbitrary standard.  It's the standard for any useful discussion on any topic of debate.  At all.  Ever.  You literally can not get less arbitrary than that.  A person is not "brainwashed" because they demand facts to backup a claim.  It's what separates rational, useful discussion from the Glen Beck chalkboard crowd.


You're assumed to have a certain level of background knowledge of the terms being thrown around.

Do I think the people who got Ayaan Hirsi Ali's degree yanked use Ba'ath tactics? My opinion is that's giving them way too much credit. All it is is another manifestation of "criticism = bigotry" belief systems common among the intellectually lazy and professionally butthurt.
 
2014-04-18 12:00:00 PM  

Gulper Eel: Well, look at that. They exchanged ideas. Why would that be such an intolerable stretch for the Brandeis students? Her position is defensible on the grounds that Islam is different from other major religions in that it is expressly intended to have both spiritual and political components, and as such should be confronted by free nations as inimicable to what they stand for.


That is no intolerable stretch for them at all, since "she "is welcome to join us on campus in the future to engage in a dialogue.""

Should Brandeis have invited her in the first place? Probably not as a commencement speaker - the idea being that somebody with controversial ideas should be brought to campus to debate rather than to give an address in a form where there's no opportunity for rebuttal.

They are exactly doing as you say they should. The issue was not over being a speaker, but an honorary degree. "Universities consider it important to make a distinction between inviting a speaker who may air unpopular or provocative views that the institution does not endorse, and awarding an honorary degree, which is more akin to affirming the body of a recipient's work."

Of course, the college could have, I dunno, spent two minutes with Google and figured all this out ahead of time.

Absolutely right. They totally screwed up.
 
2014-04-18 12:03:30 PM  
Well, at least all this hard herp work resulted in an exact 12:00 PM simulpost, so there's that.  Could it be a sign?
 
2014-04-18 12:08:04 PM  

Ilmarinen: The issue was not over being a speaker, but an honorary degree. "Universities consider it important to make a distinction between inviting a speaker who may air unpopular or provocative views that the institution does not endorse, and awarding an honorary degree, which is more akin to affirming the body of a recipient's work."


They didn't consider it important to make that distinction until they started feeling the heat. Then they promptly folded. I'm unimpressed.
 
2014-04-18 12:11:14 PM  

lantawa: Well, at least all this hard herp work resulted in an exact 12:00 PM simulpost, so there's that.  Could it be a sign?


Ha, I hadn't even noticed.
 
2014-04-18 12:11:25 PM  
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2014-04-18 12:15:32 PM  

lantawa: Well, since you do not have even the most rudimentary understanding of how the English language works, I believe that I'll just ask you to crawl back under whatever rock you previously escaped from. Go on. Go on now. It's over for you. No respect, since you are just regurgitating, in the rest of your last post, the usual booga booga crap about how someone MUST meet your arbitrary need for evidence. You're really looking like a jackwad here, so, I guess, next move is up to you, Gomer.


Good job on using secondary definitions that are in conflict with your assertion to make a false point.  I'll bet your a hoot every time you claim that theories "are just guesses".  Vision is based on making something you want come to pass - such as having a vision for the future for your company, etc.  You were making a claim that we should have "vision" about your claims of Baathism.  You slipped to the secondary definition to make imagination and vision equal when challenged on it.  Good job!  You're now an excellent sophist, and a good liar.

Still no evidence of Baathist influence in leftist thought.

Still no evidence of the West "adopting" Baathist methodologies or ideologies.

Still no evidence of western liberal thought centers adoption of Baathist doctrine.

Rage, rant, and attack your critics all you want.  They asked for evidence connecting these items.  You've provided none.  There is absolutely zero difference between you, and a person who claims that lizard people have taken over the government.  But watching you try to be insulting is amusing.  So if you want, continue with that.  I'm deeply hurt by the angry mutterings of people who stand on the side of the road and scream at traffic.
 
2014-04-18 12:24:58 PM  

lantawa: Well, at least all this hard herp work resulted in an exact 12:00 PM simulpost, so there's that.  Could it be a sign?


It's a sign that you still haven't provided any evidence that actually supports your claims. As I've stated before, you have all the credibility of a Truther, a Birther, and a Geocentrist. And you will maintain that level of credibility until you provide actual evidence that shows how exactly this supposed radical element is directly influencing Western politics. Not just how it might influence, how it could influence, a theoretical or hypothetical possibility.

You can keep posting until the thread is locked. You can post in other threads and make the same claims. But without the actual evidence, you are an old man yelling at a cloud and to be taken as seriously.
 
2014-04-18 12:58:58 PM  

Khellendros: lantawa: Well, since you do not have even the most rudimentary understanding of how the English language works, I believe that I'll just ask you to crawl back under whatever rock you previously escaped from. Go on. Go on now. It's over for you. No respect, since you are just regurgitating, in the rest of your last post, the usual booga booga crap about how someone MUST meet your arbitrary need for evidence. You're really looking like a jackwad here, so, I guess, next move is up to you, Gomer.

Good job on using secondary definitions that are in conflict with your assertion to make a false point.  I'll bet your a hoot every time you claim that theories "are just guesses".  Vision is based on making something you want come to pass - such as having a vision for the future for your company, etc.  You were making a claim that we should have "vision" about your claims of Baathism.  You slipped to the secondary definition to make imagination and vision equal when challenged on it.  Good job!  You're now an excellent sophist, and a good liar.

Still no evidence of Baathist influence in leftist thought.

Still no evidence of the West "adopting" Baathist methodologies or ideologies.

Still no evidence of western liberal thought centers adoption of Baathist doctrine.

Rage, rant, and attack your critics all you want.  They asked for evidence connecting these items.  You've provided none.  There is absolutely zero difference between you, and a person who claims that lizard people have taken over the government.  But watching you try to be insulting is amusing.  So if you want, continue with that.  I'm deeply hurt by the angry mutterings of people who stand on the side of the road and scream at traffic.


Echo chamber much?......echo chamber much?....echo chamber much?
 
2014-04-18 01:00:05 PM  

soporific: lantawa: Well, at least all this hard herp work resulted in an exact 12:00 PM simulpost, so there's that.  Could it be a sign?

It's a sign that you still haven't provided any evidence that actually supports your claims. As I've stated before, you have all the credibility of a Truther, a Birther, and a Geocentrist. And you will maintain that level of credibility until you provide actual evidence that shows how exactly this supposed radical element is directly influencing Western politics. Not just how it might influence, how it could influence, a theoretical or hypothetical possibility.

You can keep posting until the thread is locked. You can post in other threads and make the same claims. But without the actual evidence, you are an old man yelling at a cloud and to be taken as seriously.


Echo chamber much?......echo chamber much?....echo chamber much?
 
2014-04-18 01:12:53 PM  
 
2014-04-18 01:16:18 PM  
From the very first example: "In Galway, at the National University of Ireland, a speaker who attempts to argue against the BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) programme against Israel is shouted down with cries of 'F*cking Zionist, f*cking pricks... Get the f*ck off our campus.'"

This is exemplary of what conservatives cannot seem to grasp... this is not about free speech, this is about stupid. When you put what you have to say out into the public sphere, expect it to be discussed, debated, praised, ridiculed, examined, dismissed, thought about, ignored, commented on, deleted, copied, manipulated or otherwise acted upon. Everything that comes from your hand, mouth and mind will be judged, and as you have the right to say/print/write it we (society) has just as much right - nay duty - to trash the living sh*t out of it if we think it's crap.

You do not get to put sh*t out without expecting a reaction, as conservative speakers do on Fox News Channel. They can spew all the stupid the want in that venue, and will be met with head nods from the paid bobbleheads along with affirmative grunts and squealing and foot stamping from their audience. This is not that bubble... this is the real world, and in the real world not everyone in going to believe or like what you have to say. If you're too pussified to deal with that the maybe you should STFU and go back to your corner.
 
2014-04-18 01:24:51 PM  
From the article that I just posted:

The Democratic Socialist Arab Baath Party is a Marxist Leninist movement created after a purge of the leadership of the ruling Arab Socialist Baath Party.
MAJOR FIGURES
Ibrahim Makhous:leader
Mahmoud Jadeed:official spokesperson
BACKGROUND
The Democratic Socialist Arab Baath Party was established in 1970 following the purge of the ruling Arab Socialist Baath Party's leadership initiated by Syria's new president, Hafez al-Assad. Ibrahim Makhous, who had served twice as minister of foreign affairs between 1965 and 1968, escaped arrest and imprisonment and took refuge in Algeria, where he founded the breakaway Democratic Socialist Arab Baath Party. In 1979, the new party joined the National Democratic Assembly, a coalition of leftist movements, along with the Syrian Socialist Party, the Arab Socialist Movement, the Revolutionary Worker's Party, and the Democratic Arab socialist Union.  Following the start of the Syrian uprising in 2011, the Democratic Socialist Arab Baath Party joined the National Coordination Body for Democratic Change.


So, NO WAY that any of these political bodies could be involved in ANY Western political activity.  NO WAY.  There's obvioously not enough proof.  OBVIOUSLY.

WAIT.  There's a bunch of SMOKE in this thread.  Therre's NO WAY that there's any FIRE.  NO WAY.  Because we all know, that WHERE THERE'S SMOKE THERE IS NO FIRE!  WE KNOW THAT!  PROVE OTHERWISE.  WE'RE WAITING..........
 
2014-04-18 01:26:38 PM  

rewind2846: From the very first example: "In Galway, at the National University of Ireland, a speaker who attempts to argue against the BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) programme against Israel is shouted down with cries of 'F*cking Zionist, f*cking pricks... Get the f*ck off our campus.'"

This is exemplary of what conservatives cannot seem to grasp... this is not about free speech, this is about stupid. When you put what you have to say out into the public sphere, expect it to be discussed, debated, praised, ridiculed, examined, dismissed, thought about, ignored, commented on, deleted, copied, manipulated or otherwise acted upon. Everything that comes from your hand, mouth and mind will be judged, and as you have the right to say/print/write it we (society) has just as much right - nay duty - to trash the living sh*t out of it if we think it's crap.

You do not get to put sh*t out without expecting a reaction, as conservative speakers do on Fox News Channel. They can spew all the stupid the want in that venue, and will be met with head nods from the paid bobbleheads along with affirmative grunts and squealing and foot stamping from their audience. This is not that bubble... this is the real world, and in the real world not everyone in going to believe or like what you have to say. If you're too pussified to deal with that the maybe you should STFU and go back to your corner.


Well, yes.  Maybe you should.
 
2014-04-18 01:30:42 PM  
I'm somewhat proud of myself I helped inspire  lantwwwwaaaaah I want my mommy to go full retard.
 
2014-04-18 01:35:33 PM  

lantawa: More background on Baathism:

http://carnegieendowment.org/syriaincrisis/?fa=48367


What does that have to do with the US or the west in general? Oh right... nothing.
 
2014-04-18 01:47:43 PM  

lantawa: From the article that I just posted:

The Democratic Socialist Arab Baath Party is a Marxist Leninist movement created after a purge of the leadership of the ruling Arab Socialist Baath Party.
MAJOR FIGURES
Ibrahim Makhous:leader
Mahmoud Jadeed:official spokesperson
BACKGROUND
The Democratic Socialist Arab Baath Party was established in 1970 following the purge of the ruling Arab Socialist Baath Party's leadership initiated by Syria's new president, Hafez al-Assad. Ibrahim Makhous, who had served twice as minister of foreign affairs between 1965 and 1968, escaped arrest and imprisonment and took refuge in Algeria, where he founded the breakaway Democratic Socialist Arab Baath Party. In 1979, the new party joined the National Democratic Assembly, a coalition of leftist movements, along with the Syrian Socialist Party, the Arab Socialist Movement, the Revolutionary Worker's Party, and the Democratic Arab socialist Union.  Following the start of the Syrian uprising in 2011, the Democratic Socialist Arab Baath Party joined the National Coordination Body for Democratic Change.

So, NO WAY that any of these political bodies could be involved in ANY Western political activity.  NO WAY.  There's obvioously not enough proof.  OBVIOUSLY.

WAIT.  There's a bunch of SMOKE in this thread.  Therre's NO WAY that there's any FIRE.  NO WAY.  Because we all know, that WHERE THERE'S SMOKE THERE IS NO FIRE!  WE KNOW THAT!  PROVE OTHERWISE.  WE'RE WAITING..........


Show me the fire. Show me how Baathist ideology is actually influencing Western politics and you'll begin to have a point. I repeat, saying that it COULD happen is not proof that it IS happening.

But if you can't find the actual evidence, I'll settle for knowing how you came across this notion in the first place. Who first told you about the Baathist influence? Where did you read about it? Where did you hear about it? Who put two and two together for you?

Because if you came about this opinion by yourself, you WOULD have evidence that supports your claim that there is a Baathist influence. Instead, my guess is that you heard it or read it somewhere and just believed it, which is why instead of concrete evidence, you take as Gospel the notion that just because it might happen that it is happening. Someone told you this information and you believed it.

So my real question is: how do you know they're right?
 
2014-04-18 01:50:20 PM  
The left is so open minded and tolerant, just as long as you agree with them.

Everything about them just proves what Mark Steyn says here absolutely correct. The outrage from spoiled Obama kids here whenever they encounter anything but affirmation is always fun to laugh at. The pollution of media outlets and college campuses by leftist brown shirts has really created a lot of ugly.

The never-ending bitterness from the left about the success of Fox News is also daily amusement for the rest of us. One place on a television landscape of 500 channels that doesn't have a bat phone to Obama, and the left whines continuously about it.

Contact Fox News sponsors some more now, you pro-censorship psychos. Instead of, you know, just not watching something you don't enjoy watching. Like, the way America treats MSNBC.
 
2014-04-18 01:56:03 PM  

soporific: But if you can't find the actual evidence, I'll settle for knowing how you came across this notion in the first place. Who first told you about the Baathist influence? Where did you read about it? Where did you hear about it? Who put two and two together for you?


It's just another word that ends with "ist" that he can hurl at 'the left' in a weak attempt to portray them as something scary and evil. I guess 'socialist' and 'marxist' and all the others have lost that new car smell, so to speak, so he had to find a new one that he can drive around and feel special about since he's got the ability to spot the nefarious plot that doesn't exist.
 
2014-04-18 01:56:33 PM  

lantawa: whidbey: lantawa: [i466.photobucket.com image 300x400]

God dude you really proved to be utterly full of shiat here.

Thanks for smearing it all over the forum walls.

Thanks for sharing.  The fact that you are taking great umbrage at that picture lets me know of your greatly dickish viewpoint.


No, it means you've been shiatting up this thread with complete bullshiat.

I thought that was against the Fark TOS.

I'll tell you what--how about one more stupid off-topic shiatjack before I put you on ignore?

Go.
 
2014-04-18 01:57:36 PM  

lantawa: Echo chamber much?......echo chamber much?....echo chamber much?


God, what a loser. Never mind.
 
2014-04-18 01:58:02 PM  

Gulper Eel: Well, look at that. They exchanged ideas. Why would that be such an intolerable stretch for the Brandeis students? Her position is defensible on the grounds that Islam is different from other major religions in that it is expressly intended to have both spiritual and political components, and as such should be confronted by free nations as inimicable to what they stand for.


You'll have to forgive me for not thinking that "Wipe them all out" is a defensible position.

Gulper Eel: Should Brandeis have invited her in the first place? Probably not as a commencement speaker - the idea being that somebody with controversial ideas should be brought to campus to debate rather than to give an address in a form where there's no opportunity for rebuttal.


So Brandies shouldn't have had her as a commencement speaker, but the students were wrong for protesting it? Do you even listen to yourself?

Gulper Eel: Since that was too intellectually taxing for the administration to have considered, then it's understandable that their students are similarly weak-minded and can only manage to make vague noises about "hate speech" as if the phrase is a magic talisman to fend off all disagreement.


I was unaware someone calling for a group of people to be wiped out is not hate speech. Again, if I said all Catholics are pedophiles, would that not be hate speech?
 
2014-04-18 01:59:55 PM  

lantawa: You know, it's unfortunate for you that you lack vision and intellect in regard to this topic.


By "vision and intellect," you mean "jumping to conclusions based on no actual evidence," right?

 

lantawa: This is a CORRECT observation on my part


I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY I'M RIGHT!
 
2014-04-18 02:00:11 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: The left is so open minded and tolerant, just as long as you agree with them.

Everything about them just proves what Mark Steyn says here absolutely correct. The outrage from spoiled Obama kids here whenever they encounter anything but affirmation is always fun to laugh at. The pollution of media outlets and college campuses by leftist brown shirts has really created a lot of ugly.

The never-ending bitterness from the left about the success of Fox News is also daily amusement for the rest of us. One place on a television landscape of 500 channels that doesn't have a bat phone to Obama, and the left whines continuously about it.

Contact Fox News sponsors some more now, you pro-censorship psychos. Instead of, you know, just not watching something you don't enjoy watching. Like, the way America treats MSNBC.


That's quite a tapestry you've woven in your mind there.
 
2014-04-18 02:01:25 PM  

lantawa: Muslim customs and practices, by actual observant Muslims, are incredibly third world and backwards.


My Muslim neighbors(well, three houses down) have such incredibly backwards customs such as going to the mosque, reading the Koran, being kind to their neighbors, and inviting us over every few weeks for some tasty, tasty food.

How horrifying.
 
2014-04-18 02:03:44 PM  

menschenfresser: 1) Certain posters on here are unbelievably masterful trolls and are full of troll win, or


I miss the days when trolling meant actually pissing people off, and not just getting people to respond to you.


/inmydaytrollingmeantsomething.jpg
 
2014-04-18 02:26:22 PM  
My opinions are open on President Obama himself, but this link is full of links that can be perused if the spirit so moves you fine, cynical folk.

http://www.infiltratednation.com/2012/10/obamas-love-of-islam-social is m-with.html
 
2014-04-18 02:44:45 PM  

Gulper Eel: Ilmarinen: The issue was not over being a speaker, but an honorary degree. "Universities consider it important to make a distinction between inviting a speaker who may air unpopular or provocative views that the institution does not endorse, and awarding an honorary degree, which is more akin to affirming the body of a recipient's work."

They didn't consider it important to make that distinction until they started feeling the heat. Then they promptly folded. I'm unimpressed.


Nobody is impressed by them, since they clearly didn't think their plan all the way through. But I think withdrawing the honorary degree (which are meaningless anyway) and inviting her to a discussion was the best way to repair the damage.

This whole thing has been much ado about nothing, starting with the protesting bloggers, but it's not an example of censorship. It's just a farkup.

Btw, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a very intelligent person with an amazing life story. I appreciated the film "Submission" she made with Theo van Gogh (who was murdered shortly after because of it). Though I don't agree with some of her more conservative views (interestingly, she started out as a politician in the largest Dutch socialist party, then went over to the main right wing party), I wouldn't pass on the opportunity if she were to speak at my university.
 
2014-04-18 02:53:52 PM  

lantawa: My opinions are open on President Obama himself, but this link is full of links that can be perused if the spirit so moves you fine, cynical folk.

http://www.infiltratednation.com/2012/10/obamas-love-of-islam-social is m-with.html


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-18 02:59:32 PM  

theknuckler_33: lantawa: My opinions are open on President Obama himself, but this link is full of links that can be perused if the spirit so moves you fine, cynical folk.

http://www.infiltratednation.com/2012/10/obamas-love-of-islam-social is m-with.html

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x304]


One of my favorite parts, is that as proof of America being invaded by communists, they use a farking KRUSHCHEV quote from 1957, and another from 1962.
 
2014-04-18 03:00:15 PM  
 
2014-04-18 03:04:43 PM  
This makes about 8 or 9 cites that I've given (a few of them suspect, I'll admit).  But wait, what have any of you who oppose me done but sit there like little chickadees in a nest with your mouths wide open, going, FEEEEEEED ME.  FEEEEEEEEED ME!  Yeah, you guys are real fine intellects, and obviously Masters of the Political Universe.
 
2014-04-18 03:12:00 PM  
Here's a sweet one.  Uh-oh you guys.  You're really going to have to up the faux outrage.  since this one's from wikileaks (as in, you know, now that the challenge has been thrown down and the challenge has BEEN ACCEPTED and research is ongoing) and your stupid, snide snark will no longer suffice as an argument regarding this matter.  Again, remember, you asked for this.

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Debunking_the_Carter_Ruck_defence_of_Briti sh -Iraqi_billionaire_Nadhmi_Auchi
 
2014-04-18 03:28:41 PM  

lantawa: This makes about 8 or 9 cites that I've given (a few of them suspect, I'll admit).  But wait, what have any of you who oppose me done but sit there like little chickadees in a nest with your mouths wide open, going, FEEEEEEED ME.  FEEEEEEEEED ME!  Yeah, you guys are real fine intellects, and obviously Masters of the Political Universe.


A few of them suspect? Seriously dude you are freaking whacko.
 
2014-04-18 03:31:28 PM  
 
2014-04-18 03:48:07 PM  

lantawa: This one's nice.  I like this one.  Shut it, Halli

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2009/06/04/why-the-manchild-hates-t he -promised-land/


Just take your meds.
 
2014-04-18 03:53:21 PM  

Halli: lantawa: This one's nice.  I like this one.  Shut it, Halli

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2009/06/04/why-the-manchild-hates-t he -promised-land/

Just take your meds.


I like how you ignored the wiki article.  Why don't you just take YOUR meds?
 
2014-04-18 03:58:41 PM  

grumpfuff: lantawa: Muslim customs and practices, by actual observant Muslims, are incredibly third world and backwards.

My Muslim neighbors(well, three houses down) have such incredibly backwards customs such as going to the mosque, reading the Koran, being kind to their neighbors, and inviting us over every few weeks for some tasty, tasty food.

How horrifying.


I still have patheticcrybaby on my list, has he just dropped all pretenses and just started calling all Muslims "Sand Successful and Attactive African Americans" yet? Someone who posts the drivel  grumpfuff quoted cannot not be thinking that.'Fess up to being a racist farking coward  lantawa, it's not like you have displayed any redeemable qualities otherwise.
 
2014-04-18 04:02:11 PM  

lantawa: This makes about 8 or 9 cites that I've given (a few of them suspect, I'll admit).  But wait, what have any of you who oppose me done but sit there like little chickadees in a nest with your mouths wide open, going, FEEEEEEED ME.  FEEEEEEEEED ME!  Yeah, you guys are real fine intellects, and obviously Masters of the Political Universe.


Ok, I was wrong - calling you a Glen Beck chalkboarder is an insult to Glen Beck chalkboarders.  But please, respond by calling names and claiming intellectual superiority because they are lacking "imagination" to create the connections you invented in your mind.

We need to be warned about the lizard people.  And the reverse vampires.  Did you find the moon landing sound stage?  Do you have any new 9/11 Truther links for us?  Maybe a few new pictures of chicken wire and cinder blocks?  I mean, that's clearly evidence.

Please.  Show me where the brown man touched you.
 
2014-04-18 04:04:35 PM  

lantawa: Well, yes. Maybe you should.


1. not conservative
2. if that's the best you can come up with, then maybe you should
3. we know you be trollin', so now... ignore
 
2014-04-18 04:06:44 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: grumpfuff: lantawa: Muslim customs and practices, by actual observant Muslims, are incredibly third world and backwards.

My Muslim neighbors(well, three houses down) have such incredibly backwards customs such as going to the mosque, reading the Koran, being kind to their neighbors, and inviting us over every few weeks for some tasty, tasty food.

How horrifying.

I still have patheticcrybaby on my list, has he just dropped all pretenses and just started calling all Muslims "Sand Successful and Attactive African Americans" yet? Someone who posts the drivel  grumpfuff quoted cannot not be thinking that.'Fess up to being a racist farking coward  lantawa, it's not like you have displayed any redeemable qualities otherwise.


Here's the only answer I have for you, intellectual coward:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Debunking_the_Carter_Ruck_defence_of_Briti sh -Iraqi_billionaire_Nadhmi_Auchi
 
2014-04-18 04:07:11 PM  
Wow. It goes from 659 to 492 comments with trolling dipshiat removed from the grid. Something to think about.
 
2014-04-18 04:08:01 PM  

grumpfuff: I was unaware someone calling for a group of people to be wiped out is not hate speech.


Nobody called for that. Ali called for Islam to be defeated, and then for it to "mutate" into something resembling the other modern major faiths. If adherents to Islam can cut out the kind of crap where they erupt into murderous rage at the first sign of a girl cracking open a book, we're cool.

Again, if I said all Catholics are pedophiles, would that not be hate speech?

No, it would simply be incorrect. But feel free to say it all you wish.
 
2014-04-18 04:09:39 PM  

Mentat: Does the right of customers to boycott a product extend to denying someone their livelihood because we disagree with them?


Yes, yes they do. It's not my responsibility to support him or his continued employment. I make a choice to spend my money to purchase goods and services that I want from whom I want, and that's the extent of my interaction. I really shouldn't be concerned that my choice not to purchase what someone else has to sell will impact their employment.

I'm not "denying them their livelihood" I'm denying them my money, which I have every right to do. It's one of the few rights we have left in this democracy oligarchy.
 
2014-04-18 04:16:03 PM  

Gulper Eel: grumpfuff: I was unaware someone calling for a group of people to be wiped out is not hate speech.

Nobody called for that. Ali called for Islam to be defeated


And how do you "defeat" Islam without murdering a lot of people? You really think the Ayotallahs etc. would be more than happy to ease up on the fundamentalism if we just "Jebusplained" things to them?

You can do a to to encourage the Muslim world to reconsider its attitudes but you'll never "defeat" anyone with force.
 
2014-04-18 04:18:05 PM  

lantawa: Again I say to you and others who are locked into your echo chambers: Stop being totally dogmatic dicks, and start showing some intellectually integrated perceptual abilities. You are capable of such, so practice it, and stop with the sneering contemptuous approach to those with whom you disagree. You are truly interfering with societal advancement when you do this, i.e., fail to contemplate alternative viewpoints.


You might start with the man in the mirror there, Mr. "Liberal Baathism".
 
2014-04-18 04:21:53 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Gulper Eel: grumpfuff: I was unaware someone calling for a group of people to be wiped out is not hate speech.

Nobody called for that. Ali called for Islam to be defeated

And how do you "defeat" Islam without murdering a lot of people? You really think the Ayotallahs etc. would be more than happy to ease up on the fundamentalism if we just "Jebusplained" things to them?

You can do a to to encourage the Muslim world to reconsider its attitudes but you'll never "defeat" anyone with force.


B-but Vietnam. Iraq. And we would have defeated them real good if we'd had our way. Without liberals screwing it up.
 
2014-04-18 04:25:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: lantawa: Again I say to you and others who are locked into your echo chambers: Stop being totally dogmatic dicks, and start showing some intellectually integrated perceptual abilities. You are capable of such, so practice it, and stop with the sneering contemptuous approach to those with whom you disagree. You are truly interfering with societal advancement when you do this, i.e., fail to contemplate alternative viewpoints.

You might start with the man in the mirror there, Mr. "Liberal Baathism".


Catch up.  This thread has evolved well past that post to which you are responding.
 
2014-04-18 04:30:01 PM  

lantawa: HeartBurnKid: lantawa: Again I say to you and others who are locked into your echo chambers: Stop being totally dogmatic dicks, and start showing some intellectually integrated perceptual abilities. You are capable of such, so practice it, and stop with the sneering contemptuous approach to those with whom you disagree. You are truly interfering with societal advancement when you do this, i.e., fail to contemplate alternative viewpoints.

You might start with the man in the mirror there, Mr. "Liberal Baathism".

Catch up.  This thread has evolved well past that post to which you are responding.


Yes, I'm aware that you've continued to bring the crazy since that post.
 
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