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2014-04-17 08:10:21 PM  

SeriousGeorge: Right, no reason to be concerned.


That's funny skippy, the DJ has no First Amendment expectation when hired by an entity to play music on their airwaves. The station has its own First Amendment rights. That they grant him latitude to determine his own content is a courtesy, one the station felt he abused.
 
2014-04-17 08:11:43 PM  

grumpfuff: CanisNoir: One example of a person shouting a single word does not make a pattern, and is not comparable to what Condi Rice, Cheny and others faced when invited to speak.

I've never heard of them being shouted at while making a speech. Trying to act like one side does this more than the other is blatant partisanship. Both sides do it, because both sides have immature little farks who do not know how to act.

CanisNoir: Your second example would be valid if there were actual discrimination at work, but Eich did not discriminate against anyone. Sorry, that one fails hard. There was no outward evidence of his political views, they only became widely known because someone vindictively took advantage of a California law and published the prop 8 donor list and then another company used it to take the heat off of themselves after one of their employees tweeted something obnoxious.

So the problem isn't that he made the donation, it's that people found out? Really? Not to mention he claimed he still held those beliefs.


As my initial post stated, these tactics, imho, are used primarily by younger folks; demographics show that younger voters are more likely to be liberal and claim affiliation with the Democratic party, so yes it is logical that those tactics are used primarily against Conservative speakers.

As for Eich, my problem is that, yes, he suffered for writing a personal check, on his own time, 6 years prior to being hired for the CEO position. It's tantamount to punishing someone for their thoughts.
If Eich had discriminated against someone, or given speeches against gay marriage or enacted company policies based on his views, I'd support his resignation.
 
2014-04-17 08:12:29 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: SeriousGeorge: No one contested that what Colbert said was satire. Their point was that it was racist DESPITE being satire and Colbert's good intentions.

So, they don't get satire, then?


Don't forget said tweet also had nothing to do with Colbert himself, aside from being a single out of context reference to a joke made on his show in full satirical context, posted by a staff member of his show's network.
 
2014-04-17 08:13:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Okay sport. Here ya go. You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader; you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol. If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried. Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it. Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Shouldn't you be providing evidence to back up your claims?

Get to work, slacker!


I should mention I know how much I like women, I wouldn't care if I were gay, and honestly the fact that the troll is trying to use the same tactic against me proves how much I've gotten under his skin. Also the opinion of some poltroon who never backs up his assertions and engages in nothing but sophistry when taken to task means dick to me.

My oh my which "welcome to fark" .gif to use...
 
2014-04-17 08:14:47 PM  
CanisNoir: It's only okay when WE use the free market to advance our agenda
 
2014-04-17 08:14:58 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Okay sport. Here ya go. You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader; you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol. If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried. Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it. Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Shouldn't you be providing evidence to back up your claims?

Get to work, slacker!


Well, okay.  I will.  To be honest, I'm amazed that I'm still here and that the hammer has not yet descended.  It would be best if I now went to contemplate the Baathist issues in solitude, so, I say, arrivederci......
 
2014-04-17 08:17:07 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: CanisNoir: grumpfuff: CanisNoir: If someone is invited to give a speech, they should not be shouted out by attendees who disagree. This practice is predominant on the left side of the American political spectrum.

CanisNoir: The Mozilla incident, imho, was a horrible and vindictive thing and I think it set a dangerous precident. I hope the right does not engage in a "tit for tat" campaign.

"We don't need anti-discrimination laws, the free market will fix it!"

*free market fixes it*

"WHY ARE YOU OPPRESSING HIM??"

Not to mention, saying it sets a dangerous precedent is stupid. Both sides have called for boycotts and people to fired before.

One example of a person shouting a single word does not make a pattern, and is not comparable to what Condi Rice, Cheny and others faced when invited to speak.

Your second example would be valid if there were actual discrimination at work, but Eich did not discriminate against anyone. Sorry, that one fails hard. There was no outward evidence of his political views, they only became widely known because someone vindictively took advantage of a California law and published the prop 8 donor list and then another company used it to take the heat off of themselves after one of their employees tweeted something obnoxious.

Turd dog, all political donations over $100 in California are public knowledge and Eich knew that when he made the donation, and he knew he made that donation when he accepted the CEO position, also knowing this would make him a public figure. But of course you support his bigotry even if it's far more passive than your own so he shouldn't ever have to take responsibility for them. The free market is supposed to enable you to discriminate against people you dislike, not actually be a free market, right? I'm waiting for your pathetic, unconsidered, limp wristed rationale as to why not.


Since when did supporting gay marriage become bigotry? Oh it doesn't, you just wanted to prove my point by calling me a bigot.

You're a joke.
 
2014-04-17 08:17:33 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim:  I wouldn't care if I were gay, and honestly the fact that the troll is trying to use the same tactic against me proves how much I've gotten under his skin.


There was a guy that used to use anti-gay rantings and ravings to attack me online constantly when we were having disagreements over things. (I thought he was a criminal, he thought he was just misunderstood) The hilarious part was that he'd be all "F****t" this ad "C********r" that and even worse, but had proudly exclaimed on numerous, hilarious occasions just how open minded and bisexual he was.

I think the poor guy was crushing on me. It was terrifying. Really terrifying.

/not really related to subject, but potentially hilarious
 
2014-04-17 08:18:09 PM  

lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Okay sport. Here ya go. You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader; you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol. If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried. Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it. Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Shouldn't you be providing evidence to back up your claims?

Get to work, slacker!

Well, okay.  I will.  To be honest, I'm amazed that I'm still here and that the hammer has not yet descended.  It would be best if I now went to contemplate the Baathist issues in solitude, so, I say, arrivederci......


Running away again...hardly a surprise
 
2014-04-17 08:18:48 PM  
lantawa: It would be best if I now went to contemplate the Baathist issues in solitude, so, I say, arrivederci......

Don't forget Mr. Bubble for your baath!

(Would link image. Too lazy.)
 
2014-04-17 08:19:51 PM  

CanisNoir: Since when did supporting gay marriage become bigotry? Oh it doesn't, you just wanted to prove my point by calling me a bigot.

You're a joke.


Sure you support gay marriage, while working against all efforts to actually lift a finger to make gay marriage a legal reality.
 
2014-04-17 08:20:41 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: SeriousGeorge: Right, no reason to be concerned.

That's funny skippy, the DJ has no First Amendment expectation when hired by an entity to play music on their airwaves. The station has its own First Amendment rights. That they grant him latitude to determine his own content is a courtesy, one the station felt he abused.


Wha? This article made no mention of any station and I have made no arguments about constitutional protections or anything of the sort. I'm talking about the propriety of forcing people from their jobs because of a perceived slight to an oppressed group and the desire of some social-justice warriors to insist that all public places become a "safe space" for them.
 
2014-04-17 08:24:18 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Okay sport. Here ya go. You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader; you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol. If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried. Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it. Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Shouldn't you be providing evidence to back up your claims?

Get to work, slacker!

Well, okay.  I will.  To be honest, I'm amazed that I'm still here and that the hammer has not yet descended.  It would be best if I now went to contemplate the Baathist issues in solitude, so, I say, arrivederci......

Running away again...hardly a surprise


Welcome to Fark!
 
2014-04-17 08:27:02 PM  

SeriousGeorge: I'm talking about the propriety of forcing people from their jobs because of a perceived slight to an oppressed group and the desire of some social-justice warriors to insist that all public places become a "safe space" for them.


I.E. you have no clue how the free market works unless it's supporting your agenda. Unless the DJ owns the radio station- and yes DJs work for radio stations you obtuse boob- he has not First Amendment right to the airwaves. Tell me you at least think "right to work" state laws are at least retardedly clownish, then you might not have a completely hypocritical position.
 
2014-04-17 08:31:58 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: SeriousGeorge: I'm talking about the propriety of forcing people from their jobs because of a perceived slight to an oppressed group and the desire of some social-justice warriors to insist that all public places become a "safe space" for them.

I.E. you have no clue how the free market works unless it's supporting your agenda. Unless the DJ owns the radio station- and yes DJs work for radio stations you obtuse boob- he has not First Amendment right to the airwaves. Tell me you at least think "right to work" state laws are at least retardedly clownish, then you might not have a completely hypocritical position.


I am flabbergasted. Can someone else please try to explain my point to this person?
 
2014-04-17 08:32:35 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Okay sport. Here ya go. You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader; you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol. If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried. Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it. Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Shouldn't you be providing evidence to back up your claims?

Get to work, slacker!

Well, okay.  I will.  To be honest, I'm amazed that I'm still here and that the hammer has not yet descended.  It would be best if I now went to contemplate the Baathist issues in solitude, so, I say, arrivederci......

Running away again...hardly a surprise

Welcome to Fark!


Oh yeah, I'm well aware of the type:  1) An outrageous claim is made, 2) a request for evidence is made, 3) Ignore requests and/or express feelings or persecution and/or leave the thread.

Oh, then eventually return to FARK and act surprised that everyone laughs at you, then more persecution complex/tail between legs whining and fleeing.

Usually it's boring, but sometimes I find it entertaining.
 
2014-04-17 08:35:31 PM  

grumpfuff: Yes, because it's only Muslim students who "stamp their widdle feetsies and demand that the bad [person] stop talking."

It's not like full-grown Christians do that every farking day, but no, you'll reserve your poutrage for some Muslim college kids


In this case it  is only the Muslim students who complained, along with the usual PC professors who never met an authoritarian before whom they couldn't grovel.

What stupid things Christians may do in completely different circumstances is an entirely different debate.
 
2014-04-17 08:36:08 PM  

SeriousGeorge: Crotchrocket Slim: SeriousGeorge: I'm talking about the propriety of forcing people from their jobs because of a perceived slight to an oppressed group and the desire of some social-justice warriors to insist that all public places become a "safe space" for them.

I.E. you have no clue how the free market works unless it's supporting your agenda. Unless the DJ owns the radio station- and yes DJs work for radio stations you obtuse boob- he has not First Amendment right to the airwaves. Tell me you at least think "right to work" state laws are at least retardedly clownish, then you might not have a completely hypocritical position.

I am flabbergasted. Can someone else please try to explain my point to this person?


I understood your point, and it's a pretty lame one. "People should be never be allowed to vote with their dollars, they are obligated to give their entirely voluntary business to individuals they find offensive".
 
2014-04-17 08:37:05 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: CanisNoir: Since when did supporting gay marriage become bigotry? Oh it doesn't, you just wanted to prove my point by calling me a bigot.

You're a joke.

Sure you support gay marriage, while working against all efforts to actually lift a finger to make gay marriage a legal reality.


Dafuq!? I've never worked for or against Gay Marriage, and even when I held the Traditionalist view, I refused to vote on the subject because I knew my view was irrational. You're just talking out your arse. Again, a joke.
 
2014-04-17 08:37:44 PM  

Gulper Eel: grumpfuff: Yes, because it's only Muslim students who "stamp their widdle feetsies and demand that the bad [person] stop talking."

It's not like full-grown Christians do that every farking day, but no, you'll reserve your poutrage for some Muslim college kids

In this very cherry-pickedcase which ignores how much more common it is to have this coming from Christains in America,it  is only the Muslim students who complained, along with the usual PC professors who never met an authoritarian before whom they couldn't grovel.

What stupid things Christians may do in completely different circumstances is an entirely different debate.


Post made less dishonest
 
2014-04-17 08:39:14 PM  

CanisNoir: Crotchrocket Slim: CanisNoir: Since when did supporting gay marriage become bigotry? Oh it doesn't, you just wanted to prove my point by calling me a bigot.

You're a joke.

Sure you support gay marriage, while working against all efforts to actually lift a finger to make gay marriage a legal reality.

Dafuq!? I've never worked for or against Gay Marriage, and even when I held the Traditionalist view, I refused to vote on the subject because I knew my view was irrational. You're just talking out your arse. Again, a joke.


As failing to vote on your supposed principles is the only way to advance an agenda in the US. Quick count to "potato" with your fingers, no toes.
 
2014-04-17 08:45:24 PM  

lantawa: Like a virulent disease, Baathist political methodology and ideology has reached the West, and it has, hydra-like, been grafted onto socialist ideologies like liberation theology.  Baathist techniques involve swarming, supressive thuggery and brute intellectual and physical silencing of dissenting opinion.  If the rule of law were not so completely and effectively ensconced in U.S. legal systems, the thuggery, dogma, and ideological suppression of this gross, sick political movement would move forward in the West.  It is a very good thing that the system of checks and balances are in place to stop this type of political machine.  Be aware of it:  It is real.  And, man, it is one dirty, sucky political movement.  No  wonder it finds a home grafted onto collectivism and excessive socialist posturing.


[redacted fear pandering] friendliness to "beer."  "Beer" is a great and beautiful substance, and can sweep away the bad craziness of hysterical intellectual and political obsessiveness.  Alcohol!  The cause of and the answer to all of life's problems.


Sooo....this......is the new, freshly waxed set of tighty righty talking points?

Also, that's quite a basketful of hawt, breathy, throbbing words.
 
2014-04-17 08:49:26 PM  
Oh for f*ck's dangling hairy witless SAKE.
 
2014-04-17 08:50:23 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: if it bothers you.


pretty big 'if' there, considering
 
2014-04-17 08:52:50 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim:

I am flabbergasted. Can someone else please try to explain my point to this person?

I understood your point, and it's a pretty lame one. "People should be never be allowed to vote with their dollars, they are obligated to give their entirely voluntary business to individuals they find offensive".


No, that's not even close to my point. My point was about the rapid expansion of what is deemed offensive, and the haste with which people are willing to bring down the hammer on supposed transgressors. Obviously there's no legal issue in firing the DJ for a club because he played an entirely innocuous song, I'm wondering whether it's appropriate. Do you think #CancelColbert was a one-off thing? I don't, I think it's quickly becoming the new normal and don't be surprised when these things start to succeed.
 
2014-04-17 08:55:13 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: CanisNoir: Crotchrocket Slim: CanisNoir: Since when did supporting gay marriage become bigotry? Oh it doesn't, you just wanted to prove my point by calling me a bigot.

You're a joke.

Sure you support gay marriage, while working against all efforts to actually lift a finger to make gay marriage a legal reality.

Dafuq!? I've never worked for or against Gay Marriage, and even when I held the Traditionalist view, I refused to vote on the subject because I knew my view was irrational. You're just talking out your arse. Again, a joke.

As failing to vote on your supposed principles is the only way to advance an agenda in the US. Quick count to "potato" with your fingers, no toes.


Aight, you're making less and less sense so this is my last attempt. When I held the traditionalist view, I recognized that, much like Tevya, I was irrationally holding on to tradition. While I didn't support expanding the definition of "marriage" my principles were such that I could not justify a vote against it. So I neither voted in support or against it and for me, that was principled.

As for Eich, I could care less if he had donated to Planned Parenthood, the KKK, NAMBLA or some Climate Change group, my position would not change.
We have a political process and everyone should be encouraged to participate regardless of the position they hope to convince people of. The Eich incident *discouages* political participation and as I said, was tantamount to punishing someone for their thoughts. I have a serious problem with that.
 
2014-04-17 08:57:42 PM  

Kittypie070: Oh for f*ck's dangling hairy witless SAKE.


Personally I prefer Apple Sake, but whatever floats your boat Kitty, it's all booze in the end :)
 
2014-04-17 08:57:59 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Post made less dishonest


Don't be obtuse and don't try to change the subject. We already have a daily Michele-Bachmann-said-something-stupid thread for that subject.

The supposed key point of a university education is that you're going to a place where the rules for discourse are different than they are in the outside world. You're not supposed to go along to get along like you might on the outside just to keep the peace. At college you're not only supposed to tolerate dissenting opinions; you're supposed to welcome their existence and learn how to debate them heartily so as to perhaps learn something new in the process.

And if you're in a faith-based group at a college, you're in the place where you are sure as shiat not supposed to resort to whining when your belief system is challenged.

The argument about Christian foolishness you're trying to drag into this has to do with what they do in the world outside, but no matter how valid it is it has zero to do with the original point at hand
 
2014-04-17 09:02:02 PM  

SeriousGeorge: Crotchrocket Slim:

I am flabbergasted. Can someone else please try to explain my point to this person?

I understood your point, and it's a pretty lame one. "People should be never be allowed to vote with their dollars, they are obligated to give their entirely voluntary business to individuals they find offensive".

No, that's not even close to my point. My point was about the rapid expansion of what is deemed offensive, and the haste with which people are willing to bring down the hammer on supposed transgressors. Obviously there's no legal issue in firing the DJ for a club because he played an entirely innocuous song, I'm wondering whether it's appropriate. Do you think #CancelColbert was a one-off thing? I don't, I think it's quickly becoming the new normal and don't be surprised when these things start to succeed.


Oh I see. Did you know that the club has its own First Amendment rights and that the lati- you know what, fark this. If you think there's much of a different relationship between dj and radio station or dj and club you're an imbecile.

You aren't even trying to read a thing I type, or even try to understand it. I don't care if there is a huge campaign that is presently directed at Colbert (and if the right is first catching onto the fact that he's been mocking the shiat out of them for years that's pathetic) that is their right. I also don't care if they are successful in getting Colbert cancelled (which is exceptionally unlikely given that Comedy Central demonstrated they didn't give a shiat about marketing to butthurt conservatives when they hired someone to mock them in a way that was obvious to anyone without extra chromosomes in the first place). I don't care if the Rightwing's attempts to take the piss out of Colbert and Stewart just demonstrate that they are bitter, humorless assholes who can only tear others down.

This sort of thing isn't new, the rules have not changed, you could always be fired for conducting yourself publicly in a way that makes it very difficult for the employer to keep you on and still conduct business. What's changed is society is getting sick of rightwing dirtbaggery,and the dirtbags are sad they don't have free reign over the rest of us anymore. This is the life the rest of us have had to live for decades, man up Nancy boy.
 
2014-04-17 09:02:45 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Crotchrocket Slim: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Okay sport. Here ya go. You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader; you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol. If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried. Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it. Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Shouldn't you be providing evidence to back up your claims?

Get to work, slacker!

Well, okay.  I will.  To be honest, I'm amazed that I'm still here and that the hammer has not yet descended.  It would be best if I now went to contemplate the Baathist issues in solitude, so, I say, arrivederci......

Running away again...hardly a surprise

Welcome to Fark!

Oh yeah, I'm well aware of the type:  1) An outrageous claim is made, 2) a request for evidence is made, 3) Ignore requests and/or express feelings or persecution and/or leave the thread.

Oh, then eventually return to FARK and act surprised that everyone laughs at you, then more persecution complex/tail between legs whining and fleeing.

Usually it's boring, but sometimes I find it entertaining.


Jesus Christ.  You guys are like a pack of weasels, Little imp-weasels, feeding on the imaginary carcasses of your opponents who you've vanquished only in your imaginations. We'll be talking again in other threads, and that right soon.  You folk who have gang-trolled me are a lot duller and unimaginative than you'd otherwise believe.  The suppression of diversity of opinion is a real thing.  You gang-troll folk have taken a stance that opposes this truth.  Middle Eastern political influence is, indeed, a part of this phenomenon.  You are truly, and I say this unequivocally, stupid or actively encouraging this suppression if you are not recognizing this fact.  Do I have a persecution complex?  Not at all.  Am I fleeing?  Not at all. Just frustrated with childlike trolling and hyena-like caw-cawing in print from you jackwads.  And I do not like "the hammer."  So, in order to keep privileges, disengagement has to occur, because otherwise the escalation just continues until total overload.

And, of course, in the time it has taken me to write this, three more jackwad messages are in my inbox. Too farkin' cute, weasels.  You've perfected the gang troll.  Good jerb.
 
2014-04-17 09:05:06 PM  

Gulper Eel: Crotchrocket Slim: Post made less dishonest

Don't be obtuse and don't try to change the subject. We already have a daily Michele-Bachmann-said-something-stupid thread for that subject.

The supposed key point of a university education is that you're going to a place where the rules for discourse are different than they are in the outside world. You're not supposed to go along to get along like you might on the outside just to keep the peace. At college you're not only supposed to tolerate dissenting opinions; you're supposed to welcome their existence and learn how to debate them heartily so as to perhaps learn something new in the process.

And if you're in a faith-based group at a college, you're in the place where you are sure as shiat not supposed to resort to whining when your belief system is challenged.

The argument about Christian foolishness you're trying to drag into this has to do with what they do in the world outside, but no matter how valid it is it has zero to do with the original point at hand


Yes let's just ignore the massive amount of prejudice and bigotry Muslims face every day and the fact that much of this is at the hands of Christians, and that Christians still have a stranglehold over our culture. That's totes irrelevant.

And you're right in one regard: given that Universities are selective about the students they take in, the students do have a right to demand the University comport to their wishes somewhat. Higher ed exists in a far freer market than elementary schools.
 
2014-04-17 09:13:35 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Gulper Eel: Crotchrocket Slim: Post made less dishonest

Don't be obtuse and don't try to change the subject. We already have a daily Michele-Bachmann-said-something-stupid thread for that subject.

The supposed key point of a university education is that you're going to a place where the rules for discourse are different than they are in the outside world. You're not supposed to go along to get along like you might on the outside just to keep the peace. At college you're not only supposed to tolerate dissenting opinions; you're supposed to welcome their existence and learn how to debate them heartily so as to perhaps learn something new in the process.

And if you're in a faith-based group at a college, you're in the place where you are sure as shiat not supposed to resort to whining when your belief system is challenged.

The argument about Christian foolishness you're trying to drag into this has to do with what they do in the world outside, but no matter how valid it is it has zero to do with the original point at hand

Yes let's just ignore the massive amount of prejudice and bigotry Muslims face every day and the fact that much of this is at the hands of Christians, and that Christians still have a stranglehold over our culture. That's totes irrelevant.

And you're right in one regard: given that Universities are selective about the students they take in, the students do have a right to demand the University comport to their wishes somewhat. Higher ed exists in a far freer market than elementary schools.


Students demanding that universities "comport to their ideas" is a really DUMB IDEA because most students are idiots who should be learning from their betters. If you want to protest a war, fine. If you want to protest a speaker for being a wizard of the KKK, fine. If you want to protest a speaker because, in addition to being a brilliant writer, they hold political opinions that a majority of students don't agree with, Fark you...
 
2014-04-17 09:13:42 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Gulper Eel: Crotchrocket Slim: Post made less dishonest

Don't be obtuse and don't try to change the subject. We already have a daily Michele-Bachmann-said-something-stupid thread for that subject.

The supposed key point of a university education is that you're going to a place where the rules for discourse are different than they are in the outside world. You're not supposed to go along to get along like you might on the outside just to keep the peace. At college you're not only supposed to tolerate dissenting opinions; you're supposed to welcome their existence and learn how to debate them heartily so as to perhaps learn something new in the process.

And if you're in a faith-based group at a college, you're in the place where you are sure as shiat not supposed to resort to whining when your belief system is challenged.

The argument about Christian foolishness you're trying to drag into this has to do with what they do in the world outside, but no matter how valid it is it has zero to do with the original point at hand

Yes let's just ignore the massive amount of prejudice and bigotry Muslims face every day and the fact that much of this is at the hands of Christians, and that Christians still have a stranglehold over our culture. That's totes irrelevant.

And you're right in one regard: given that Universities are selective about the students they take in, the students do have a right to demand the University comport to their wishes somewhat. Higher ed exists in a far freer market than elementary schools.


Double-plus irony that the same people butthurt over this supported angry mobs driving out that Islamic community center in New York.
 
2014-04-17 09:14:27 PM  

lantawa: That would be, and is, an incorrect statement. [buzzword] [buzzword] [buzzword] strategists have stooped to
[fainting-couch] unethical methodology in their political tactics by [corporate robospeak] under [scare word]-type
suppression of opposing views. Quality political dialogue is now much more difficult to find in the West, precisely because of [outsider boogeyman] political influence.



Doctor Kittypie has dissected your political free speech with a rock hammer and a pair of soldering tweezers, and carefully re-decomposed it via feline linguistic meta-analysis.

Thus, FTFY.
 
2014-04-17 09:15:03 PM  

lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: Crotchrocket Slim: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Okay sport. Here ya go. You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader; you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol. If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried. Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it. Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Shouldn't you be providing evidence to back up your claims?

Get to work, slacker!

Well, okay.  I will.  To be honest, I'm amazed that I'm still here and that the hammer has not yet descended.  It would be best if I now went to contemplate the Baathist issues in solitude, so, I say, arrivederci......

Running away again...hardly a surprise

Welcome to Fark!

Oh yeah, I'm well aware of the type:  1) An outrageous claim is made, 2) a request for evidence is made, 3) Ignore requests and/or express feelings or persecution and/or leave the thread.

Oh, then eventually return to FARK and act surprised that everyone laughs at you, then more persecution complex/tail between legs whining and fleeing.

Usually it's boring, but sometimes I find it entertaining.

Jesus Christ.  You guys are like a pack of weasels, Little imp-weasels, feeding on the imaginary carcasses of your opponents who you've vanquished only in your imaginations. We'll be talking again in other threads, and that right soon.  You folk who have gang-trolled me are a lot duller and unimaginative than you'd otherwise believe.  The suppression of diversity of opinion is a real thing.  You gang-troll folk have taken a stance that opposes this truth.  Middle Eastern political influence is, indeed, a part of this phenomenon.  You are truly, a ...


So, still nothing...I'm shocked
 
2014-04-17 09:19:07 PM  

Animatronik: Crotchrocket Slim: Gulper Eel: Crotchrocket Slim: Post made less dishonest

Don't be obtuse and don't try to change the subject. We already have a daily Michele-Bachmann-said-something-stupid thread for that subject.

The supposed key point of a university education is that you're going to a place where the rules for discourse are different than they are in the outside world. You're not supposed to go along to get along like you might on the outside just to keep the peace. At college you're not only supposed to tolerate dissenting opinions; you're supposed to welcome their existence and learn how to debate them heartily so as to perhaps learn something new in the process.

And if you're in a faith-based group at a college, you're in the place where you are sure as shiat not supposed to resort to whining when your belief system is challenged.

The argument about Christian foolishness you're trying to drag into this has to do with what they do in the world outside, but no matter how valid it is it has zero to do with the original point at hand

Yes let's just ignore the massive amount of prejudice and bigotry Muslims face every day and the fact that much of this is at the hands of Christians, and that Christians still have a stranglehold over our culture. That's totes irrelevant.

And you're right in one regard: given that Universities are selective about the students they take in, the students do have a right to demand the University comport to their wishes somewhat. Higher ed exists in a far freer market than elementary schools.

Students demanding that universities "comport to their ideas" is a really DUMB IDEA because most students are idiots who should be learning from their betters. If you want to protest a war, fine. If you want to protest a speaker for being a wizard of the KKK, fine. If you want to protest a speaker because, in addition to being a brilliant writer, they hold political opinions that a majority of students don't agree with, Fark you...


As Universities are obligated to accept anyone and everyone who applies, and students never look at the cultural values of an educational institution when applying.

Do you know how I know you've never gone to college of any kind? Except maybe loser community colleges?
 
2014-04-17 09:20:44 PM  
I love when trolls do the hissy fit "SCREW YOU GUYS I'M GOING HOME!!!! RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!!!!!" only to come back and demonstrate just how rattled and shaken they are by the convo in the thread.
 
2014-04-17 09:22:28 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Yes let's just ignore the massive amount of prejudice and bigotry Muslims face every day and the fact that much of this is at the hands of Christians, and that Christians still have a stranglehold over our culture. That's totes irrelevant.

And you're right in one regard: given that Universities are selective about the students they take in, the students do have a right to demand the University comport to their wishes somewhat. Higher ed exists in a far freer market than elementary schools.


The speaker the Muslims were whining about in this case is an atheist. Christianity has nothing to do with this case.

And the idea that Muslims are somehow unique in being on the receiving end of prejudice and bigotry is laughable, especially given what happens when the shoe's on the other foot - in the many nations where they are dominant they positively delight in dishing out the hate on a scale that would make Fred Phelps blush. But one atheist ex-Muslim shows up at the college they attend in Boston and all of a sudden the college must rescue them from...from what, exactly? Being called out? That's pathetic. Defend your faith if it's so damn wonderful. (No pressure-cooker bombs allowed.)
 
2014-04-17 09:23:59 PM  
What is lantawawaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhohgodthebaaaathistsare coming SMOKING!!??

certainly it isn't this delishus chillout mellow leafy freak chow that I'm sharing with my crazy smokin buddy Canis.
 
2014-04-17 09:26:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: So, still nothing...I'm shocked


More than what you've generated, so there's that. If you'd kept your discussion with me between us, then we could have a meaningful interaction. but you cant. As usual, you want to posture and huzzah and yip about your wonderful performance in this thread and other threads, along with your little weird weaselly buddies. So,as Borat would say, high five! Go find out about Middle Eastern politics yourself. If I feel generous, then I'll share what I find when I find more. Otherwise, I'll just monitor you. I can do that for weeks on end if I feel like it. Adjust your "farkie" notes accordingly.
 
2014-04-17 09:26:05 PM  
I left after work, ignored the thread, watched some JoJo, had pizza, played Mercenary Kings... did I miss anything not buttfark crazy stupid? No? Sweet.
 
2014-04-17 09:30:08 PM  
I don't think anybody should be allowed to say free speech is being shut down.
 
2014-04-17 09:31:14 PM  

Gulper Eel: The speaker the Muslims were whining about in this case is an atheist. Christianity has nothing to do with this case.


I'm an atheist and I still don't care. No one has the right to be entitled to use an educational institution as their own personal pulpit, speaking at such an institution is a privilege and an honor.

And the idea that Muslims are somehow unique in being on the receiving end of prejudice and bigotry is laughable, especially given what happens when the shoe's on the other foot - in the many nations where they are dominant they positively delight in dishing out the hate on a scale that would make Fred Phelps blush. But one atheist ex-Muslim shows up at the college they attend in Boston and all of a sudden the college must rescue them from...from what, exactly? Being called out? That's pathetic. Defend your faith if it's so damn wonderful. (No pressure-cooker bombs allowed.)

What the fark fantasy situation is this? BTW aside from the Mozilla situation- which you lame trolls have already been thoroughly schooled over for the last month- in TFA the only example from the US (which is the only example relevant to me) an honorary degree was offered, then after a student uproar rescinded. NO ONE ANY TIME ANY WHERE IS ENTITLED TO AN HONORARY DEGREE. That's not a free speech issue.
 
2014-04-17 09:33:35 PM  

Bloody William: I left after work, ignored the thread, watched some JoJo, had pizza, played Mercenary Kings... did I miss anything not buttfark crazy stupid? No? Sweet.


Dude, it's a Fark politics thread. Did you expect different?
 
2014-04-17 09:33:49 PM  

lantawa: We'll be talking again in other threads, and that right soon.


Will you be bringing facts to that thread, or more unwarranted paranoid teabagger bullshiat?  Either way, I look forward to ii

lantawa: The suppression of diversity of opinion is a real thing. You gang-troll folk have taken a stance that opposes this truth. Middle Eastern political influence is, indeed, a part of this phenomenon. You are truly, and I say this unequivocally, stupid or actively encouraging this suppression if you are not recognizing this fact.


So, asking you to back up your claims is "suppression?"

lantawa: And I do not like "the hammer." So, in order to keep privileges, disengagement has to occur, because otherwise the escalation just continues until total overload.


I have no idea what you're talking about, but it seems to be some form of "WAAAAH!!  I'M A VICTIM!!1!"  Man up. dude.

lantawa: You've perfected the gang troll.


Gang troll = "these meanies won't stop asking me to back up my claims!  Why won't they just accept my outrageous claims?  Oh yeah, because they are SUPPRESSING me!!"
 
2014-04-17 09:34:35 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: I don't think anybody should be allowed to say free speech is being shut down.


Well, not without having such woo called out by anyone willing to put in the effort. That's the whole point of Free Speech.
 
2014-04-17 09:38:00 PM  
Is El Rushbo talking about sinister Baathist infiltration of our precious bodily fluids now??

Is that what's going on, the shiny new talking points have just been issued from the holy golden microphone On High?
 
2014-04-17 09:39:19 PM  

Kittypie070: Is El Rushbo talking about sinister Baathist infiltration of our precious bodily fluids now??

Is that what's going on, the shiny new talking points have just been issued from the holy golden microphone On High?


Emphasis on "high", or at least painkillers. Lots and lots of painkillers.
 
2014-04-17 09:40:23 PM  

Kittypie070: What is lantawawaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhohgodthebaaaathistsare coming SMOKING!!??

certainly it isn't this delishus chillout mellow leafy freak chow that I'm sharing with my crazy smokin buddy Canis.


Made you, and anyone else in this thread, think about Baathists, didn't I?  That was my primary goal, and I achieved it in a superlative manner.  Now, a lot more very thoughtful people are aware of a type of political activism that I wanted them to be aware of.  My work here is done.  Well, don't you have a date with a red dot somewhere?
 
2014-04-17 09:40:31 PM  

Gulper Eel: Crotchrocket Slim: Yes let's just ignore the massive amount of prejudice and bigotry Muslims face every day and the fact that much of this is at the hands of Christians, and that Christians still have a stranglehold over our culture. That's totes irrelevant.

And you're right in one regard: given that Universities are selective about the students they take in, the students do have a right to demand the University comport to their wishes somewhat. Higher ed exists in a far freer market than elementary schools.

The speaker the Muslims were whining about in this case is an atheist. Christianity has nothing to do with this case.

And the idea that Muslims are somehow unique in being on the receiving end of prejudice and bigotry is laughable, especially given what happens when the shoe's on the other foot - in the many nations where they are dominant they positively delight in dishing out the hate on a scale that would make Fred Phelps blush. But one atheist ex-Muslim shows up at the college they attend in Boston and all of a sudden the college must rescue them from...from what, exactly? Being called out? That's pathetic. Defend your faith if it's so damn wonderful. (No pressure-cooker bombs allowed.)


I think the problem is that she generalizes the entire Islamic faith and there are many modern moderate Muslims that are painted with that broad brush. The Brandise(sp) issue is nuanced imho. That said, I think Islam is taking the heat because dickish leaders use it as a motivating force for the masses to obtain their personal secular ambitions.

I don't think she should have been disinvited, but I'm not upset over it as I would be if she were more selective in her condemnations.
 
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