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2014-04-17 05:31:44 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: UrukHaiGuyz: If you won't put any effort into debate, why should I?

I gave you a little more to chew on a couple of posts up.

Got any videos of the full band? I might just come catch a gig.


The band I've been gigging with most often recently is a honky-tonk/bar band called Hazardous Dukes. We're playing around DFW usually 3 or 4 nights a week. Sometimes we make it out a bit further (Austin, Tyler, Houston). Playing the Revolver brewery in Granbury in a couple days. Come out sometime and I'll buy you a beer.

The pay's a hell of a lot better playing two-step music than the rock/indie stuff I play with. More of a crowd pleaser, too.

/end threadjack
 
2014-04-17 05:32:37 PM  
We're still talking about this?

Ugh. Give it a rest already. Go back to talking about how the NWO and aliens conspired to kill lizard people in Benghazi.
 
2014-04-17 05:32:43 PM  

lantawa: UncomfortableSilence: After attempting to google Baathist and various combinations of words that would tie it to leftist or democratic politics, I found nothing.  Not even the infowars article that this must have spawned from.

Is your google-fu really that weak?  Are you guys really that clueless?

this link is the FIRST result from the googled term "baathism":   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba'athism

These paragraphs, below, are from that article.  How hard is it to put two and two together.  Seriously guys.  C'mon!

Aflaq deeply supported some Marxist   tenets, and he considered the Marxist concept of the to be one of modern humanity's greatest discoveries. However, he disagreed with the Marxist view that dialectical materialism was the  only truth. Aflaq believed that Marxism had forgotten human's spirituality. While believing that the concept would work for small and weak societies, the concept of dialectical materialism as the  only truth in Arab development was wrong.

For a people as spiritual as the Arabs, the working class was just a group, albeit the most important group, in a much larger movement to free the Arab nation. Aflaq agreed to Karl Marx's view that the working class was a central force, but not which role it played in history. In contrast to Marx, Aflaq believed in, and believed that in the Arab world all classes, and not just the working class, were working against. What in the west was a struggle between various classes was in the Arab world a fight for political and economic independence.

For Aflaq, socialism was a necessary means to accomplishing the goal of initiating an Arabic  renaissance period, in other words,  . While unity brought the Arab world together and liberty provided the Arab people with freedom, socialism was the cornerstone which made unity and liberty successful. No socialism meant no revolution. In Aflaq's view, a system would not succeed in a country such as that was dominated by a "pseudo-feudalist" economic system in ...

We have a Major Problem,

Creation is Cubic Opposites,
2 Major Corners & 2 Minor.

Mom/Dad & Son/Daughter,
NOT
taught Evil ONEism,
which  VOIDS Families.
********************************************************************* * ********************

Seek Wisdom of Cubic Life
Intelligence - or you die evil.
********************************************************************* * ******************
 Evil God Believers refuse to
acknowledge  4 corner Days
rotating simultaneously around
4 quadrant created Earth -
in only 1 rotation, voiding the
Oneism Evil  1 Day 1 God.
You worship Satanic impostor
guised by educators as 1 god.

No 1 God equals 4 - 24 hour

Days Rotating Simultaneously
within 1- 24 hour Rotation of
 4 quadrant created Earth.
Ignoring 4 Corner Earth Days
will Destroy Evil Humanity.
I am organizing Children to
join "Cubic Army of 4 Days"
to convert Evil 1 Day Adults
to 4 Day mentality existence,
to serve perpetual humanity.

"Nothing on Earth more Evil

than a human educated as 1,
when composed of opposites
that cancel out as an entity."
In fact, man is the only 1 Evil,
and will soon erase himself by
ignoring Cubic 4 Day Creation.
If a Man cannot tear a page
from the bible and burn it -
then he cannot be a scientist
,
or participate in Symposium -
to measure Cubing of Earth
with Cubic intelligence wiser
than any man or god known.
Educators have destroyed the
human analytical brain to a
single perspective, in spite of
all creation within  Universe
being based upon opposites,
binaries & antipodes, including
Sun/Earth binary relative to the

 human male/female binary. No

 ancient insignificant dead 1 Jew
 godism can match or exceed the
enormity of the Sun/Earth
Binary. His heart is not big
enough for sharing with the
vastness of created opposites.
1 has no heart beat or breath,
constituting death of opposites.
God in Human form has human

 limits as body controls activity.

You are taught Evil, You act
Evil, You are the Evil on Earth.
Only your comprehending the
Divinity of Cubic Creation will
your soul be saved from your
created hell on Earth
- induced
by your ignoring the existing
4 corner
harmonic simultaneous
 4 Days rotating in a single cycle
of the Earth sphere. Religious/
Academic Pedants cannot allow
4 Days that contradict 1Day 1God.
Educators destroy your brain,
but you don't know, so why care?

Creation ocurrs via opposites,

but Religious/Academia pedants
suppress it teaching Satanic One.

After 30 years of research, I now

possess the Order of Harmonic
Antipodal Cubic Divinity Life -
too large for physical form, but
Binary Spirit of the masculinity
Sun & feminity Earth Antipodes.
ONEism is demonic Death Math.
I have so much to teach you, but
you ignore me you evil asses.
You will recognize 4 corner Days
or incur
Easter Island Ending.

Never a Genius knew Math

to achieve my Cubic Wisdom.
Cubic thought Reigns as the
Highest Intelligence possible
on the planet Earth. One 96
hour rotating Cube within a
single rotation of Earth -- is
an Ineffable Transcendence.
Bible and Science falsify 1
corner day for the Cubic 4
corner Days rotating daily.
A single god is not possible
in our 4 Day Cubic Science,
that equates Cubic Divinity.
Everybody is both stupid and
evil for ignoring the 4 days.
Cube Divinity transcends all
knowledge, Humans can't
escape 4 corner Cubic Life.
Fools worship mechanics of
language - while they wallow
in fictitious & deceitful word
.
Exact science based on Cubics,
not on theories. Wisdom is
Cubic testing of knowledge.
Academia is progression of
Ignorance.   No god equals
Simultaneous 4 Day Creation.
Humans ignore their 4 corner
stages of life metamorphosis.
This site is a collection of data
for a coming book - peruse it.
No human has 2 hands as they
are opposites, like plus and
minus, that cancel as entity.
Academia destroys your brain,
your ability to think opposite.
The eyes of the flounder fish
were relocated, why were yours

 relocated? Your opposite eyes

were moved to 1 corner to overlay
for single perspective, but that
corrupts your Opposite Brain.
*****************************

KNOW CUBE, OR HELL.

Education and Religion
severely diminishes
your
intelligence and mentality,
instituting ONEness Evil
,
You are educated stupid -
and you have no inkling to
just how EVIL you think.

Seek in haste to attend a

lecture by Dr. Gene Ray,
Cubic and Wisest Human -

His Wisdom is Awesome.
*************************************
For Cumming, GA 30041 Lecture,
email: o­ray6­129­59[nospam-﹫-backwards]k­n­ilht­r­ae*ne­t
*******************************************
Both Cubic Thinkers and SnotBrains were
born with opposite brains, capable of math
analysis to know most everything.    The
Religious/Academic Oneness Brotherhood
destroys the Brain's ability to think opposite
of singularity trash taught.
Such reduced
Brain intelligence
begets the student a
tag of SnotBrain android - encapable of
comprehending absolute proof of 4 Days
rotating simultaneously within a single
rotation of Earth. Cubics comprehend it.
You are a Cubic Thinker, or SnotBrain.

You SnotBrains will know
hell for ignoring TimeCube.
I do not promote or suggest
anyone killing you, but you
are unfit to live on Earth.
Binary Life Force
is more
Powerful than ONE God -
especially the ole dead Jew,
for which you've denounced
your own mother and father.
1 side brain can't reason
without the opposite side.
Americans are so dumb,
educated stupid and evil,
they have snot for brain.
Believers have snot brain.
Educated have snot brain.
God worship only needs
a snot brain, but it takes
Opposite Brain Analysis
to know Harmonic Life.

The masculinity Sun and
femininity Earth - form
a Binary of Harmonic
Opposites
  at Center of
Universe - Greater than
either Sun or the Earth,
debunking all fictitious
Oneism Gods taught by
religious/academic Word
Animals. The invention of
fictitious WORD inflicts
humans as Word Animals
- the dumbest and most
Educated stupid and Evil
animal to inhabit Earth
and the Universe. Watch
for Giant Erasor as there
is a great danger of the
human Word Animal being
self-erased.   You cannot
comprehend the actual 4

 simultaneous days in single

rotation of Earth, as 1 day
1 God ONEism blocks the
ability to think opposite of
the ONEism crap taught.
Education destroys brain.

Dr. Gene Ray, Cubic and Wisest Human

**********************************

Gene Ray interview by Lionel on Air America Radio,

The Lionel Show - 10am, Friday, August 3, 2007

Creation is the Harmonics of Opposites -

Opposites are the Harmonics of Creation.
God entity is queer sex, or no opposite sex.
God Oners must ban all sex with Opposites.
Trinity of males degrade female opposites.
Sex okay for atheist, but not God Oneists.
Opposite hemispheres equate planets to a
Giant Brain, that has 4 faces, but no limbs.
Adults create baby, baby evolves to adult.
No 1 God can create a planet of opposites,
which equate to a zero value existence, and
cancels to nothing as an entity in death.

**********************************
"Cubic Time" - Cubes
Earth, Life and Truth

Word God is Bad Math
MATH SHOWN HERE IS
FAR SUPERIOR TO GOD
AND CHRISTIANITY. USE
IT TO SAVE HUMANITY.

HONOR THE 4 DAYS



OR YOU SHOULD DIE.


Dr Gene Ray is the
Greatest Philosopher,
and is the Greatest
Mathematician.
www.TheWisestHuman.com
********************************************


Cubic Harmonics
Only Cubic Harmonics can save
humanity. Cubic Harmonics
will pacify all religions.

96-hour Cubic Day

debunks 1-day unnatural god.
96-hour Cubic Day
debunks 1-day as witchcraft.

96-hour day willdisprove disunity

god. Academians are teaching -
pseudoscience.

Worshipping a Word God

will destroy the USA.
********************************************************
 
2014-04-17 05:33:26 PM  

cman: We're still talking about this?

Ugh. Give it a rest already. Go back to talking about how the NWO and aliens conspired to kill lizard people in Benghazi.


Shhhh! You'll get us all assimilated!
 
2014-04-17 05:34:17 PM  

BSABSVR: you'reself.


sorry, pet peeve

UrukHaiGuyz: honky-tonk/bar band


gross
 
2014-04-17 05:34:45 PM  

patrick767: Bloody William:
My butthurt is indeed pleased as if a great ointment has been applied to it, but a few clarifications.

I'm amazed at how much time you've spent on this guy. I for one am just hoping he goes full Glenn Beck and posts a chalkboard drawing with arrows showing the connections between the Democratic Party, Baathists, George Soros, Joseph Stalin, and Saul Alinsky.


I assumed it would be yarn between blog printouts in a dark room with tin foil covering the windows
 
2014-04-17 05:36:15 PM  

sprawl15: BSABSVR: oneself.

sorry, pet peeve



Likewise
 
2014-04-17 05:36:47 PM  
Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?
 
2014-04-17 05:37:27 PM  

sprawl15: UrukHaiGuyz: honky-tonk/bar band

gross


*Shrug* It's not for everyone, but people like to dance and drink, and I like playing for them. We probably play at least some stuff you'd like. How do you feel about the Stones?

/resume threadjack?
//whatever, this thing went off the rails long ago
 
2014-04-17 05:37:50 PM  

cman: sprawl15: BSABSVR: oneself.

sorry, pet peeve

Likewise


me as well and such like
 
2014-04-17 05:38:25 PM  

KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?


Yes. Me.

On a wide variety of subjects; back when I started FARKing I was leaning towards Republican/Libertarian.

I got better.
 
2014-04-17 05:38:52 PM  

KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?


I have, certainly. Especially when it comes to parsing Supreme Court decisions and such. I'd say have your views refined is a much more reasonable metric.
 
2014-04-17 05:40:19 PM  

Summercat: KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?

Yes. Me.

On a wide variety of subjects; back when I started FARKing I was leaning towards Republican/Libertarian.

I got better.


sparks.brushfireoffreedom.org
 
2014-04-17 05:41:18 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: The pay's a hell of a lot better playing two-step music than the rock/indie stuff I play with. More of a crowd pleaser, too.


Two step eh? Let me know when you do an indie gig. If on the off chance you're making PsychFest in Austin, drop me a line.

BSABSVR: That would require him to own his opinions.


Which I have expressed....but that would require you to read.
 
2014-04-17 05:41:39 PM  

KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?


Yes. I decided Bush's vacations were not nearly worth the fuss the Democrats were making.
 
2014-04-17 05:41:52 PM  

KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?


That's a pretty vague question. I can say with certainty that I came into a thread with one notion, and in fact argued based on that notion, learned things I hadn't known, and changed my mind. I can't recall the subject and it certainly didn't fundamentally alter my political leanings, but I, for one, am not afraid to admit that I've learned something, when I have, that changed my mind.
 
2014-04-17 05:43:17 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: We probably play at least some stuff you'd like. How do you feel about the Stones?


my tastes are kind of all over the place. the playlist i have on right now has toadies, clutch, isis, the glitch mob, puscifer, aesop rock, lovage, toundra, murder by death, and matthew good band

sadly my playlists are always getting gutted because of youtube terminating accounts :(

toundra, tho

KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?


ron paul 2008
 
2014-04-17 05:44:47 PM  
The list erroneously conflated government action and private action.
 
2014-04-17 05:46:18 PM  

Summercat: BSABSVR: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: UrukHaiGuyz: Post the most relevant bit/bits of the text to whatever point you're making.

The discussion of David Irving is a good start.

You know, if you took off your Captain Laconic helmet and offered two or three more sentences to connect the point you're trying to make to the people which whom you're arguing, you'd be a lot more successful in conveying any sort of point. You'd probably come off a lot less like a smarmy git, too.

That would require him to own his opinions.

One might say that he dances around the issue.


[horatio-caine.jpg]
 
2014-04-17 05:46:54 PM  
If you don't agree with me I will do my best to change the laws to force you agree with me.

Screw your religion. I want the government to make you buy me stuff and shut you down if you try to resist.

And the things I can never accomplish at the ballot box I will relentlessly pursue through the courts. I have a 14th amendment right to any damned thing I want.
 
2014-04-17 05:48:57 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Two step eh? Let me know when you do an indie gig. If on the off chance you're making PsychFest in Austin, drop me a line.


Sure thing.
 
2014-04-17 05:49:48 PM  
Tony Snark:  huge wall of text

Is that from a Dr. Bronner's soap container?  It is, isn't it? Heh.
 
2014-04-17 05:51:14 PM  

cchris_39: If you don't agree with me I will do my best to change the laws to force you agree with me.

Screw your religion. I want the government to make you buy me stuff and shut you down if you try to resist.

And the things I can never accomplish at the ballot box I will relentlessly pursue through the courts. I have a 14th amendment right to any damned thing I want.


What the hell are you babbling about?

Oh yes, oppression or something.

Better grab a gun, patriot!!
 
2014-04-17 05:51:22 PM  

BSABSVR: lantawa: Crotchrocket Slim: Are you guys seriously trying to debate the troll who used to post his politically themed jack off material in Fark threads?

STILL  butthurt about that photoshop picture that I posted about a half a year ago?  Not done with me yet?  Grow a sense of humor.  Did you notice that NO ONE supported you when you tried to "ghey-bait" me with YOUR gross imagery?  You're engaging in cheesedick moves that have NOTHING to do with the current topic.  Stahp it!

Ok. So you're trolling. Got it. Bye. Kill yourself.


That would be an incorrect assertion and an unpleasant suggestion, but, anyhoo........... well, bye.
 
2014-04-17 05:51:39 PM  

sprawl15: my tastes are kind of all over the place. the playlist i have on right now has toadies, clutch, isis, the glitch mob, puscifer, aesop rock, lovage, toundra, murder by death, and matthew good band


That list is pretty...eclectic.

CSB: I met two of the dudes from Isis about 10 years ago, but not the lead singer; US Customs deported him for "unauthorized imports" because he brought a bunch of their CDs in his luggage.
 
2014-04-17 05:52:28 PM  

cchris_39: If you don't agree with me I will do my best to change the laws to force you agree with me.

Screw your religion. I want the government to make you buy me stuff and shut you down if you try to resist.

And the things I can never accomplish at the ballot box I will relentlessly pursue through the courts. I have a 14th amendment right to any damned thing I want.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-04-17 05:53:08 PM  
cchris_39:

No.  Your religion does not give you the ability to not follow laws that everyone else must follow.  It does not matter if your religion says that you may kill disobedient children, society says no one can so neither can you.

Minority rights are not a ballot box issue. If you believe that something should not be a right, feel free to amend the Constitution.
 
2014-04-17 05:53:57 PM  

cchris_39: If you don't agree with me I will do my best to change the laws to force you agree with me.

Screw your religion. I want the government to make you buy me stuff and shut you down if you try to resist.

And the things I can never accomplish at the ballot box I will relentlessly pursue through the courts. I have a 14th amendment right to any damned thing I want.


Yeah man, you show those strohvolk!
 
2014-04-17 05:54:19 PM  

sprawl15: UrukHaiGuyz: We probably play at least some stuff you'd like. How do you feel about the Stones?


my tastes are kind of all over the place. the playlist i have on right now has toadies, clutch, isis, the glitch mob, puscifer, aesop rock, lovage, toundra, murder by death, and matthew good band


Right on. The bolded are on a few of my playlists as well. I grew up playing mostly jazz and classical stuff. I do understand the aversion to country- there's a metric f*ck ton of simply awful alt-country on the airwaves.
 
2014-04-17 05:54:38 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: UrukHaiGuyz: The pay's a hell of a lot better playing two-step music than the rock/indie stuff I play with. More of a crowd pleaser, too.

Two step eh? Let me know when you do an indie gig. If on the off chance you're making PsychFest in Austin, drop me a line.

BSABSVR: That would require him to own his opinions.

Which I have expressed....but that would require you to read.


You never express your actual opinion on anything. You hint and you imply. If someone asked you if you wanted Mexican or Italian food, it would be a 20 minute dialog where you talked about how you have issues with Marinara, you're trying to avoid breads, would be inclined to get something with some spice, could probably choose a better drink than wine with dinner etc.

At no time would you just say "let's do Mexican tonight". It would force you to make a statement that someone might contradict.
 
2014-04-17 05:57:03 PM  

qorkfiend: sprawl15: my tastes are kind of all over the place. the playlist i have on right now has toadies, clutch, isis, the glitch mob, puscifer, aesop rock, lovage, toundra, murder by death, and matthew good band

That list is pretty...eclectic.


my more eclectic stuff i don't really throw into playlists. book of knots or peste noire or whatever showing up unexpectedly can really throw off a mood

qorkfiend: CSB: I met two of the dudes from Isis about 10 years ago, but not the lead singer; US Customs deported him for "unauthorized imports" because he brought a bunch of their CDs in his luggage.


huh i thought they were all americans. wouldn't they just confiscate the cds?

UrukHaiGuyz: I do understand the aversion to country- there's a metric f*ck ton of simply awful alt-country on the airwaves.


as little a fark i give about country as a genre, the whole bro country movement needs to just die

also john prine is forever an exception to any of my biatching
 
2014-04-17 06:02:40 PM  

bdub77: How the Left, here and abroad, is trying to shut down debate

[i340.photobucket.com image 250x272]

/more like Spec-tater.


...I stopped at "by Mark Steyn".

He might have more credibility if he'd hire a lawyer to represent him in the Michael Mann defamation case.  As it stands, it seems like he's trying to lose a winnable case on his antics, just so he can paint the government as pro-climate change and anti-free speech. (And Ken from Popehat is not helping either Steyn or himself with his blatant cheerleading of Steyn even through his antics.  There's a time to cut your losses.)
 
2014-04-17 06:06:54 PM  

Jjaro: whidbey: Jjaro: God forbid you have to read an article that highlights a different viewpoint than what you believe.

God forbid you summarize the argument so we don't have to click on that utter garbage.

So since you don't want to read something, you expect other to summarize it for you?  Sounds like we have a real intellectual heavyweight here.


s25.postimg.org

Enjoy being a 3rd hand, dude.
 
2014-04-17 06:07:46 PM  

lantawa: ........... well, bye.


So, proving your inability to back up your claims, you've decided to just leave....typical FARK "conservative"
 
2014-04-17 06:09:48 PM  
Bull-at least in the United States.

The First Amendment is amazingly broad, and not just in regards to campaign finance issue.  Things that are common practice elsewhere (banning hate speech or Nazi references, government run movie or video game classification and censorship boards, etc.) are completely illegal in the US.

Now, the First Amendment also allows for individuals and private companies, colleges, and organizations to be able to attack, fire, or boycott somebody or something due what they say or believe.
 
2014-04-17 06:10:24 PM  

lantawa: And do you good folk not see how readily these views by a Baathist founder could be Westernized?


The question isn't whether it's possible. The question is whether it has actually happened. You have spent a lot of time arguing that there is an actual, factual Baathist influence on Western politics. What you haven't done is show any proof that that is actually happening. Just saying it might happen is not proof that it has happened.

You still have the same amount of crediblity as Truthers and Birthers and Geocentrists. That won't change until you provide actual evidence of the specific influence actually happening, not just speculation on what could happen.
 
2014-04-17 06:20:04 PM  

IlGreven: bdub77: How the Left, here and abroad, is trying to shut down debate

[i340.photobucket.com image 250x272]

/more like Spec-tater.

...I stopped at "by Mark Steyn".

He might have more credibility if he'd hire a lawyer to represent him in the Michael Mann defamation case.  As it stands, it seems like he's trying to lose a winnable case on his antics, just so he can paint the government as pro-climate change and anti-free speech. (And Ken from Popehat is not helping either Steyn or himself with his blatant cheerleading of Steyn even through his antics.  There's a time to cut your losses.)


...and, of course, now I see I'm a fool seeing he no longer has a fool for a client.  It still seems like he's willing to lose the case despite the only really defamatory word I could see being "fraud" (and that "Jerry Sandusky" bullshiat is opinion anyway). If he wasn't, he'd have kept NRO's counsel.
 
2014-04-17 06:23:14 PM  
sprawl15
ron paul RON PAUL 2008

Fixed.
 
2014-04-17 06:30:18 PM  

sprawl15:

KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?

ron paul 2008


Fair enough.

RyogaM: KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?

Yes. I decided Bush's vacations were not nearly worth the fuss the Democrats were making.


I love this comment because I agree with it, but you could replace Bush with Obama and Democrats with Republicans and I would have hated it, and i literally have zero context as to what you are talking about.

But in my mind Democrats=Bad and Republicans=Good. So we have bonded, and you are now one of my fav Farkers. (I am new here, are "Farkers" a thing?)

UrukHaiGuyz: KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?

I have, certainly. Especially when it comes to parsing Supreme Court decisions and such. I'd say have your views refined is a much more reasonable metric.


Refined is good too, I just get so angry on political forums. I don't understand why people argue here. Your example was more of a process that you gained knowledge around. It still seems pointless to me, people just shout at each other, and, if anything, it makes people more steadfast and ignorant in their own values.

Summercat: KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?

Yes. Me.

On a wide variety of subjects; back when I started FARKing I was leaning towards Republican/Libertarian.

I got better.


I have this strange idea that if a comments section can change your opinion on an actual political affiliation level you are easily manipulated. Also, that if your ideas don't change you are hardheaded and an idiot. There is no winning.

I always like talking to converts, what made you switch and why? Do you walk the line on a lot of issues or are you pretty anti-republican/libertarian now?

theknuckler_33: KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?

That's a pretty vague question. I can say with certainty that I came into a thread with one notion, and in fact argued based on that notion, learned things I hadn't known, and changed my mind. I can't recall the subject and it certainly didn't fundamentally alter my political leanings, but I, for one, am not afraid to admit that I've learned something, when I have, that changed my mind.


More broad than vague, but I see your point. This is a good explanation. More of a micro change than a macro change, but that is the value I see in comments sections, they are a way to add context to the news stories. Lets the little man speak, however softly.
 
2014-04-17 06:33:13 PM  

Mentat: Take the Mozilla CEO for instance. Does his personal views, no matter how reprehensible, disqualify him from a job that has nothing to do with those views? If so, do his views disqualify him from every job? Does the right of customers to boycott a product extend to denying someone their livelihood because we disagree with them? These aren't easy questions to answer which is why we've been dealing with them for 240 years.


IMHO, these are very easy questions to answer.  If your personal views reflect poorly on a company, then it is up to that company to decide whether your value as an employee offsets the PR damage and ensuing monetary losses.  If applicable, the same decision will be made for each future position.  Also, customers owe a company and its employees NOTHING.  So, in that capacity, their right is absolute in denying someone their livelihood.
 
2014-04-17 06:37:13 PM  

KillaChinchilla: I have this strange idea that if a comments section can change your opinion on an actual political affiliation level you are easily manipulated.


This really isn't the case, at least not all the time. Simple example, waaaaaaay back when, I was a bit of a Truther. Lurking on Fark and reading articles from places like PopSci that other Farkers posted is one of the major reasons I no longer am.
 
2014-04-17 06:37:26 PM  

vrax: Mentat: Take the Mozilla CEO for instance. Does his personal views, no matter how reprehensible, disqualify him from a job that has nothing to do with those views? If so, do his views disqualify him from every job? Does the right of customers to boycott a product extend to denying someone their livelihood because we disagree with them? These aren't easy questions to answer which is why we've been dealing with them for 240 years.

IMHO, these are very easy questions to answer.  If your personal views reflect poorly on a company, then it is up to that company to decide whether your value as an employee offsets the PR damage and ensuing monetary losses.  If applicable, the same decision will be made for each future position.  Also, customers owe a company and its employees NOTHING.  So, in that capacity, their right is absolute in denying someone their livelihood.


You are correct 100%. Public opinion dictates policy. Because everything is a product and if the customer has ANY reason to not use your product, you change that farking reason.
 
2014-04-17 06:43:06 PM  

Jjaro: Yes, he did.  Nice try though. "Before his resignation, Eich posted an apology on his blog for the "pain" he said his views had caused. He vowed to uphold a culture of equality as Mozilla's CEO, including maintaining the nonprofit's health benefits for same-sex couples "

http://news.yahoo.com/mozilla-ceos-exit-tests-silicon-valleys-tolera nc e-012554106--sector.html

2008, while only 6 years ago, was a hell of a lot different in terms of acceptance of gay marriage.  I just think its absurd that all these people were so adament that he resign.  I understand why he had to, and unlike some, I don't neccesarily think Mozilla is at fault.  It pretty much had to happen.  But I do agree with the point of this article, which can be witnessed pretty clearly by observing many Fark members, where dissenting opinion is simply not tolerated.


I said in an earlier thread that the only concern regarding him keeping his job would be if he changed policies to the detriment of LGBT employees or clients.  He clearly stated that he would not but the pro gay marriage crowd wasn't satisfied with that assurance and insisted on destroying him.

That's where I part ways with people that rabid about it.
 
2014-04-17 06:43:47 PM  
This article is obviously silly because, as many commenters have already pointed out, it's not necessarily that speech is being limited as much as people are merely being taken to task for saying disagreeable. That being said, I'm a little wary of how fast the boundaries of what constitute unacceptable speech, and the willingess to mercilessly remove people from polite society who transgress in this area are expanding. I was amazed at the irony with which people supported the removal of Eich because of his homophobic views only to have a lot of those same people sneer at the idea that Stephen Colbert should face any backlash for his (debatably) racist joke without noticing the similarity between the two cases. The social-justice types who supported #CancelColbert are bolstering their numbers every day and they are every day demanding additional concessions from society. They've already made huge inroads in academic institutions and are always looking to expand their influence. There's likely not a single person here who doesn't hold a view that these social-justice types would consider misogynistic, transphobic, racist, et cetera. How long before each of us becomes villified for our transgressions against social justice?
 
2014-04-17 06:45:00 PM  
Meh. More conservative persecution complex drivel.
 
2014-04-17 06:46:29 PM  

bdub77: How the Left, here and abroad, is trying to shut down debate

[i340.photobucket.com image 250x272]

/more like Spec-tater.


You should have kept reading, you might have learned something. I honestly think most liberals' hearts are in the right place but they're just as full of intolerance and hatred than the Conservatives they're trying to silence.
 
2014-04-17 06:52:24 PM  
Lots of hand wringing over a CEO getting fired for speech (in the form of a political conribution that the board of directors didnt' like.

Has a CEO ever fired a subordinate for saying something he didn't like?  I'm sure it happens 100s of times a day, where is the outrage for that?
 
2014-04-17 06:54:18 PM  

SeriousGeorge: I was amazed at the irony with which people supported the removal of Eich because of his homophobic views only to have a lot of those same people sneer at the idea that Stephen Colbert should face any backlash for his (debatably) racist joke without noticing the similarity between the two cases.


Or the differences, as in one was satire.

For the record, I believe calls to boycott Eich/Mozilla were silly.  But they were at least based on his actual views, and not a satirical poking of views
 
2014-04-17 06:55:40 PM  

SeriousGeorge: I was amazed at the irony with which people supported the removal of Eich because of his homophobic views only to have a lot of those same people sneer at the idea that Stephen Colbert should face any backlash for his (debatably) racist joke without noticing the similarity between the two cases.


did eich donate ironically

was there a wink implied

SeriousGeorge: How long before each of us becomes villified for our transgressions against social justice?


a better question would be why the fark anyone would care about how many tumblr bumps a glutensexual gets for raging on the internet
 
2014-04-17 06:57:06 PM  

RyogaM: cchris_39:

No.  Your religion does not give you the ability to not follow laws that everyone else must follow.  It does not matter if your religion says that you may kill disobedient children, society says no one can so neither can you.


Here's hoping farking Roberts etc. remember this basic farking fact when the ruling on Hobby Lobby finally comes down, instead of the usual judicial hackery we've seen as of late.
 
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