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2014-04-17 06:57:06 PM  

RyogaM: cchris_39:

No.  Your religion does not give you the ability to not follow laws that everyone else must follow.  It does not matter if your religion says that you may kill disobedient children, society says no one can so neither can you.


Here's hoping farking Roberts etc. remember this basic farking fact when the ruling on Hobby Lobby finally comes down, instead of the usual judicial hackery we've seen as of late.
 
2014-04-17 06:58:55 PM  

SeriousGeorge: This article is obviously silly because, as many commenters have already pointed out, it's not necessarily that speech is being limited as much as people are merely being taken to task for saying disagreeable. That being said, I'm a little wary of how fast the boundaries of what constitute unacceptable speech, and the willingess to mercilessly remove people from polite society who transgress in this area are expanding. I was amazed at the irony with which people supported the removal of Eich because of his homophobic views only to have a lot of those same people sneer at the idea that Stephen Colbert should face any backlash for his (debatably) racist joke without noticing the similarity between the two cases. The social-justice types who supported #CancelColbert are bolstering their numbers every day and they are every day demanding additional concessions from society. They've already made huge inroads in academic institutions and are always looking to expand their influence. There's likely not a single person here who doesn't hold a view that these social-justice types would consider misogynistic, transphobic, racist, et cetera. How long before each of us becomes villified for our transgressions against social justice?


You sound concerned. A little fearful, very uncertain, and full of doubt.
 
2014-04-17 06:59:29 PM  
  Good ol conservatives,  I want to do whatever i want and be entirely free of any consequence of my actions!   Between this and  always being afraid of some boogie man it's as if at it's core they're a bunch of moronic children.  Probably why stories about cowboys rescuing them from the evil commies work so well on this lot.
 
2014-04-17 07:02:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: SeriousGeorge: I was amazed at the irony with which people supported the removal of Eich because of his homophobic views only to have a lot of those same people sneer at the idea that Stephen Colbert should face any backlash for his (debatably) racist joke without noticing the similarity between the two cases.

Or the differences, as in one was satire.

For the record, I believe calls to boycott Eich/Mozilla were silly.  But they were at least based on his actual views, and not a satirical poking of views


What I find more amusing is that many of the people screaming about how Eich is being oppressed are the same people who called for Bashir to be fired.
 
2014-04-17 07:03:44 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: ........... well, bye.

So, proving your inability to back up your claims, you've decided to just leave....typical FARK "conservative"


Excuse me, SIR. I was saying bye to the guy who was saying bye to me.  You know, that guy;  the one who posted the gif of the American Eagle, attached to a man's loins, becoming erect and spewing cum.  I was saying bye to that guy only.  And good riddance....
 
2014-04-17 07:09:13 PM  

lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: ........... well, bye.

So, proving your inability to back up your claims, you've decided to just leave....typical FARK "conservative"

Excuse me, SIR. I was saying bye to the guy who was saying bye to me.  You know, that guy;  the one who posted the gif of the American Eagle, attached to a man's loins, becoming erect and spewing cum.  I was saying bye to that guy only.  And good riddance....


Oh, you're still here.  Perhaps, SIR, you would be so kind as to provide that evidence of a link between Baathists and American liberals?

Or you could just run away (again)
 
2014-04-17 07:11:47 PM  

cchris_39: Hence the universal use of that term for any and all objections.

If you want the immigration laws enforced - BIGOT! (xenophobe),
If you oppose anything gay - BIGOT! (homophobe),
If you don't want to buy other people's birth control pills - BIGOT! (war on women),
If you think a viable fetus has the right to be born - BIGOT! (more war on women),
If you bring up black illegitimacy and drop out rates - BIGOT! (racist),
If you think you should have to prove who you are to vote - BIGOT! (more racist),
If you think white western culture has contributed more to humanity than all others combined - BIGOT! (extremely racist).

Pretty much any disagreement with the left will get you the bigot label in one form or another.


No. It's more like this:

If you want the immigration laws enforced because you hate Latinos- BIGOT! (xenophobe),
If you oppose anything gay without justification - BIGOT! (homophobe),
If you don't want to buy other people's birth control pills because you think it's immoral for women to use it to have sex without consequences- BIGOT! (war on women),
If you think a viable fetus has the right to be born because women should be punished for having intercourse- BIGOT! (more war on women),
If you bring up black illegitimacy and drop out rates  in a way that suggests black people are innately inferior- BIGOT! (racist),

 If you think you should have to prove who you are to vote because it disenfranchises your inferior opponents- BIGOT! (more racist),
 If you think white western culture has contributed more to humanity than all others combined  because white people are innately more intelligent and productive- BIGOT! (extremely racist).
 
2014-04-17 07:12:39 PM  

Tymast: Good ol conservatives,  I want to do whatever i want and be entirely free of any consequence of my actions!   Between this and  always being afraid of some boogie man it's as if at it's core they're a bunch of moronic children.  Probably why stories about cowboys rescuing them from the evil commies work so well on this lot.


Not "as if" they were grown babies, modern Conservatism pretty much only appeals to these days.
 
2014-04-17 07:13:28 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Tymast: Good ol conservatives,  I want to do whatever i want and be entirely free of any consequence of my actions!   Between this and  always being afraid of some boogie man it's as if at it's core they're a bunch of moronic children.  Probably why stories about cowboys rescuing them from the evil commies work so well on this lot.

Not "as if" they were grown babies, modern Conservatism pretty much only appeals to those typesthese days.


Proofreading failure.
 
2014-04-17 07:15:34 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: ........... well, bye.

So, proving your inability to back up your claims, you've decided to just leave....typical FARK "conservative"

Excuse me, SIR. I was saying bye to the guy who was saying bye to me.  You know, that guy;  the one who posted the gif of the American Eagle, attached to a man's loins, becoming erect and spewing cum.  I was saying bye to that guy only.  And good riddance....

Oh, you're still here.  Perhaps, SIR, you would be so kind as to provide that evidence of a link between Baathists and American liberals?

Or you could just run away (again)


Hey  Lionel, y'all be debating a hypocritical clownshoes troll who has posted more than enough of his own creepy closeted gay imagery involving Obama.
 
2014-04-17 07:17:56 PM  

Jackson Herring: sprawl15: so does this mean it's now illegal to put shiatposters on ignore

~fartz~


I think that was a shart. ;)
 
2014-04-17 07:19:36 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: SeriousGeorge: I was amazed at the irony with which people supported the removal of Eich because of his homophobic views only to have a lot of those same people sneer at the idea that Stephen Colbert should face any backlash for his (debatably) racist joke without noticing the similarity between the two cases.

Or the differences, as in one was satire.

For the record, I believe calls to boycott Eich/Mozilla were silly.  But they were at least based on his actual views, and not a satirical poking of views


I think the more apt comparison is to Melody Hensley and her "I got PTSD from Twitter" comment. Many of the people who condemned Eich still defend Hensley even after she threatened to report active duty military who merely questioned whether she had PTSD (although probably belligerently, as in "biatch, I know what PTSD is, and you don't have PTSD").

And it's relevant as Hensley is the Washington DC Executive Director of the Center for Inquiry, a non-profit secular (read: atheist) org that has furthering "freedom of thought" in its mission statement.

/But it's okay because she's a feminist. Right, Rebecca Watson?
 
2014-04-17 07:20:21 PM  
Conservative: We don't need all these laws to stop discrimination. The invisible hand of the free market will force this companies to have non-discriminatory behavior.

[Boycott actually happens against a business for discriminator behavior]

Conservative: OMG you must stop that now you are infringing on their free speech!!!
 
2014-04-17 07:22:38 PM  

IlGreven: Lionel Mandrake: SeriousGeorge: I was amazed at the irony with which people supported the removal of Eich because of his homophobic views only to have a lot of those same people sneer at the idea that Stephen Colbert should face any backlash for his (debatably) racist joke without noticing the similarity between the two cases.

Or the differences, as in one was satire.

For the record, I believe calls to boycott Eich/Mozilla were silly.  But they were at least based on his actual views, and not a satirical poking of views

I think the more apt comparison is to Melody Hensley and her "I got PTSD from Twitter" comment. Many of the people who condemned Eich still defend Hensley even after she threatened to report active duty military who merely questioned whether she had PTSD (although probably belligerently, as in "biatch, I know what PTSD is, and you don't have PTSD").

And it's relevant as Hensley is the Washington DC Executive Director of the Center for Inquiry, a non-profit secular (read: atheist) org that has furthering "freedom of thought" in its mission statement.

/But it's okay because she's a feminist. Right, Rebecca Watson?


I don't think armchair psychologists should be diagnosing people they find distasteful from across the internet, but that's just me.

Wondering how hyperbolic that Twitter PTSD was meant though, really hoping she wasn't trying to be serious.
 
2014-04-17 07:22:41 PM  

KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?


Yes, regarding Elizabeth Warren. I fully expected her to go the usual limousine-liberal route, especially given that she's landed a seat in the famously self-important and reality-detached United States Senate from the famously self-important and reality-detached state of Massachusetts...but while I am far from agreeing with her positions I do appreciate that her rhetoric has been much more measured than that of her more swoony acolytes, that she shows signs of having done her homework before opening her mouth, can speak in something other than market-tested buzzphrases, and has a strong good-government streak that so far has not been chewed up by the usual DC sausage-making process like some other new-ish Democratic senators I could mention (coughGILLIBRANDcough).
 
2014-04-17 07:25:41 PM  

KillaChinchilla: Question: Has anyone ever been to a Fark comments thread and had their mind changed on a political subject?


Yes, I have a couple of times.

The use of the phrase "free speech" is a distraction. The author is talking about the ability to speak freely.
If someone is invited to give a speech, they should not be shouted out by attendees who disagree. This practice is predominant on the left side of the American political spectrum.
I have less of a problem with speakers being disinvited, but an Educational institution should embrace debate not run from it.
The Mozilla incident, imho, was a horrible and vindictive thing and I think it set a dangerous precident. I hope the right does not engage in a "tit for tat" campaign.

Also, I might add, terms such as racist and bigot are used with zero evidence existing to prove either and have diluted them to near meaninglessness.

The right is not completely innocent in this, but the culprits are predominantly liberal, and younger.

/The order should probably read younger and liberal as I think it has more to do with age than it does your type of politics.
 
2014-04-17 07:27:57 PM  

CanisNoir: If someone is invited to give a speech, they should not be shouted out by attendees who disagree. This practice is predominant on the left side of the American political spectrum.


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CanisNoir: The Mozilla incident, imho, was a horrible and vindictive thing and I think it set a dangerous precident. I hope the right does not engage in a "tit for tat" campaign.


"We don't need anti-discrimination laws, the free market will fix it!"

*free market fixes it*

"WHY ARE YOU OPPRESSING HIM??"

Not to mention, saying it sets a dangerous precedent is stupid. Both sides have called for boycotts and people to fired before.
 
2014-04-17 07:30:01 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: ........... well, bye.

So, proving your inability to back up your claims, you've decided to just leave....typical FARK "conservative"

Excuse me, SIR. I was saying bye to the guy who was saying bye to me.  You know, that guy;  the one who posted the gif of the American Eagle, attached to a man's loins, becoming erect and spewing cum.  I was saying bye to that guy only.  And good riddance....

Oh, you're still here.  Perhaps, SIR, you would be so kind as to provide that evidence of a link between Baathists and American liberals?

Or you could just run away (again)


Look.  Don't be moronic about why someone might leave a thread.  Was I on this thread for hours?  Yes.  Did I need to poop, eat, take a walk, spend time with my wife, etc?  Yes.  Yes, I did need to do all of those things.  What is with you?

Regarding the "link" between Middle East and West, I told you and everyone else here that I would work on it.  To be honest, the ganglike suppressive efforts regarding my viewpoint, by many of you here, is very much like the Baathist method of shouting down a dissident and then setting upon him.  Glad I'm not within striking distance of any of you, cause, gathered together, it seems very much like a thug-gang would descend upon me and beat me senseless.  You'd like that, wouldn't you?  And you, ironically, don't even see the problems with that kind of attitude.

Take, for instance, the issue in Nevada regarding the rancher out there. You know all of the calls that there have been to have the Feds go out there and bomb those guys, exterminate those guys, kill those guys?  You've seen those writings, no doubt. Well, that's what Baathists do.  They mercilessly kill and maim their opponents physically, and torture them emotionally and physically.

I thank God for the rule of law, and the fact that I am a law-abiding and intelligent citizen of this country. Yes I do.  Put that in that little hopper you call a brain and think about it. No torture for you.  Not yours......
 
2014-04-17 07:32:50 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: ........... well, bye.

So, proving your inability to back up your claims, you've decided to just leave....typical FARK "conservative"

Excuse me, SIR. I was saying bye to the guy who was saying bye to me.  You know, that guy;  the one who posted the gif of the American Eagle, attached to a man's loins, becoming erect and spewing cum.  I was saying bye to that guy only.  And good riddance....

Oh, you're still here.  Perhaps, SIR, you would be so kind as to provide that evidence of a link between Baathists and American liberals?

Or you could just run away (again)

Hey  Lionel, y'all be debating a hypocritical clownshoes troll who has posted more than enough of his own creepy closeted gay imagery involving Obama.


I'm well-aware of what he is...but I believe in second, third, etc chances.  I keep hoping that one these FARK "conservatives" will actually back up their shiat, and set the table for an actual intelligent discussion.

Sometimes it actually happens!  Or, used to, any way.  I don't expect much from this particular troll/coward, but I am always hopeful that one will actually provide some starting ground for a discussion.  But it's pretty much always: Outrageous statement followed by requests for citations followed by diversion (you're so naïve!!) followed by further requests for evidence, followed by silence)

Some days I'm in the mood to give another opportunity and I don't mind typing a bunch.  These moods are ephemeral and so far have born no fruit...but I will continue to try from time to time.  Maybe...someday...maybe,,,
 
2014-04-17 07:37:15 PM  

CanisNoir: an Educational institution should embrace debate not run from it.


QFMFT.

Outspoken atheists like Dawkins, Ali and Hitchens (may God, Allah, Buddha, Cthulhu, Zoroaster, Odin, Zeus and Eric Clapton rest his soul, just to take the piss out of him) should be the very people a religious student association should welcome to campus, eager for debate.

Instead we get this insipid whining from the Muslim Snowflake Association that their feelings are hurt, and the administration bends over for them.
 
2014-04-17 07:37:55 PM  

lantawa: Regarding the "link" between Middle East and West, I told you and everyone else here that I would work on it.  To be honest, the ganglike suppressive efforts regarding my viewpoint, by many of you here, is very much like the Baathist method of shouting down a dissident and then setting upon him.

news.psu.edu

You walked right into that one chief.....
 
2014-04-17 07:39:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Crotchrocket Slim: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: ........... well, bye.

So, proving your inability to back up your claims, you've decided to just leave....typical FARK "conservative"

Excuse me, SIR. I was saying bye to the guy who was saying bye to me.  You know, that guy;  the one who posted the gif of the American Eagle, attached to a man's loins, becoming erect and spewing cum.  I was saying bye to that guy only.  And good riddance....

Oh, you're still here.  Perhaps, SIR, you would be so kind as to provide that evidence of a link between Baathists and American liberals?

Or you could just run away (again)

Hey  Lionel, y'all be debating a hypocritical clownshoes troll who has posted more than enough of his own creepy closeted gay imagery involving Obama.

I'm well-aware of what he is...but I believe in second, third, etc chances.  I keep hoping that one these FARK "conservatives" will actually back up their shiat, and set the table for an actual intelligent discussion.

Sometimes it actually happens!  Or, used to, any way.  I don't expect much from this particular troll/coward, but I am always hopeful that one will actually provide some starting ground for a discussion.  But it's pretty much always: Outrageous statement followed by requests for citations followed by diversion (you're so naïve!!) followed by further requests for evidence, followed by silence)

Some days I'm in the mood to give another opportunity and I don't mind typing a bunch.  These moods are ephemeral and so far have born no fruit...but I will continue to try from time to time.  Maybe...someday...maybe,,,


It's very sad that American conservatism has sold itself out such that it only appeals to miscreants, retards, and generally worthless assholes today :(
 
2014-04-17 07:41:56 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: *tap tap tap* anyone who doesn't want a strong black man to make his anus into a vagina that is?


This is what you wrote in the Mother Jones topic thread.  Why?  Why would you write something like this? Who's the closeted homosexual?  Who has a problem with their sexual identity?  Hint:  It's not me, sport.  It's you.  You've been calling me names for some time now, and you have ZERO actual reason or cause to be trolling me like you are trolling me.  Now, shut your pie-hole and grow up. This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.  YOU.  Stop the personal attacks.  I'm really tired of it and you're being truly offensive.
 
2014-04-17 07:42:13 PM  

lantawa: Regarding the "link" between Middle East and West, I told you and everyone else here that I would work on it.


So you still have nothing.  Got it.

Please restrict your response to backing up your original accusations.

Or talk more about what I would do or like to do, as if you know fark-all about me.  It's a very handy diversion.

And I don't know fark-all about you either, other than your complete inability to back up your claims.

Any time you care to get back to the claim you made, and provide evidence to back it up, I will be here to listen and consider it very seriously.

And if you choose to leave, or whine some more, I will be here to laugh at you.
 
2014-04-17 07:42:25 PM  

Gulper Eel: CanisNoir: an Educational institution should embrace debate not run from it.

QFMFT.

Outspoken atheists like Dawkins, Ali and Hitchens (may God, Allah, Buddha, Cthulhu, Zoroaster, Odin, Zeus and Eric Clapton rest his soul, just to take the piss out of him) should be the very people a religious student association should welcome to campus, eager for debate.

Instead we get this insipid whining from the Muslim Snowflake Association that their feelings are hurt, and the administration bends over for them.


Much like many institutions have similarly bent over backwards for butthurt Christians for decades at the expense of Atheists, or you know enshrined pro-Christian discrimination into law and institutional procedure. Try being an unmarried yet together couple getting your kids into school in the year 2014, you'll be asked some exceptionally insulting questions a married couple will not.
 
2014-04-17 07:43:30 PM  

lantawa: To be honest, the ganglike suppressive efforts regarding my viewpoint, by many of you here, is very much like the Baathist method of shouting down a dissident and then setting upon him.


TIL that asking for proof is "ganglike suprressive efforts"

lantawa: Take, for instance, the issue in Nevada regarding the rancher out there. You know all of the calls that there have been to have the Feds go out there and bomb those guys, exterminate those guys, kill those guys?  You've seen those writings, no doubt. Well, that's what Baathists do.  They mercilessly kill and maim their opponents physically, and torture them emotionally and physically.


Calls for death of the other guy have been used by basically every political side ever. Trying to use this to link Baathists and liberals is just sad.
 
2014-04-17 07:44:54 PM  

Gulper Eel: CanisNoir: an Educational institution should embrace debate not run from it.

QFMFT.

Outspoken atheists like Dawkins, Ali and Hitchens (may God, Allah, Buddha, Cthulhu, Zoroaster, Odin, Zeus and Eric Clapton rest his soul, just to take the piss out of him) should be the very people a religious student association should welcome to campus, eager for debate.

Instead we get this insipid whining from the Muslim Snowflake Association that their feelings are hurt, and the administration bends over for them.


There's a difference between being an atheist, and saying:

"Once it's defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It's very difficult to even talk about peace now. They're not interested in peace. I think that we are at war with Islam. And there's no middle ground in wars."
 
2014-04-17 07:45:00 PM  
i dont know what's sadder, that someone's just spraying a firehose of piss at the thread or that dozens of posters are rushing it, mouths open
 
2014-04-17 07:45:51 PM  

lantawa: This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.

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2014-04-17 07:46:26 PM  

lantawa: Crotchrocket Slim: *tap tap tap* anyone who doesn't want a strong black man to make his anus into a vagina that is?

This is what you wrote in the Mother Jones topic thread.  Why?  Why would you write something like this? Who's the closeted homosexual?  Who has a problem with their sexual identity?  Hint:  It's not me, sport.  It's you.  You've been calling me names for some time now, and you have ZERO actual reason or cause to be trolling me like you are trolling me.   Now, shut your pie-hole and grow up. This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.  YOU.   Stop the personal attacks.  I'm really tired of it and you're being truly offensive.


I lol'd.
 
2014-04-17 07:47:33 PM  

ScaryBottles: lantawa: Regarding the "link" between Middle East and West, I told you and everyone else here that I would work on it.  To be honest, the ganglike suppressive efforts regarding my viewpoint, by many of you here, is very much like the Baathist method of shouting down a dissident and then setting upon him.
[news.psu.edu image 200x200]

You walked right into that one chief.....


It's true that I did walk right into it, and I even forgot the combination to my locker, heheh.

To be fair, that is what Baathists do, though it's way too much of a stretch to believe that the average ITG Farker is a truly violent Farker.
 
2014-04-17 07:50:22 PM  

lantawa: ScaryBottles: lantawa: Regarding the "link" between Middle East and West, I told you and everyone else here that I would work on it.  To be honest, the ganglike suppressive efforts regarding my viewpoint, by many of you here, is very much like the Baathist method of shouting down a dissident and then setting upon him.
[news.psu.edu image 200x200]

You walked right into that one chief.....

It's true that I did walk right into it, and I even forgot the combination to my locker, heheh.

To be fair, that is what Baathists do, though it's way too much of a stretch to believe that the average ITG Farker is a truly violent Farker

assets.diylol.com

You're making this too easy.
 
2014-04-17 07:51:20 PM  

grumpfuff: CanisNoir: If someone is invited to give a speech, they should not be shouted out by attendees who disagree. This practice is predominant on the left side of the American political spectrum.



CanisNoir: The Mozilla incident, imho, was a horrible and vindictive thing and I think it set a dangerous precident. I hope the right does not engage in a "tit for tat" campaign.

"We don't need anti-discrimination laws, the free market will fix it!"

*free market fixes it*

"WHY ARE YOU OPPRESSING HIM??"

Not to mention, saying it sets a dangerous precedent is stupid. Both sides have called for boycotts and people to fired before.


One example of a person shouting a single word does not make a pattern, and is not comparable to what Condi Rice, Cheny and others faced when invited to speak.

Your second example would be valid if there were actual discrimination at work, but Eich did not discriminate against anyone. Sorry, that one fails hard. There was no outward evidence of his political views, they only became widely known because someone vindictively took advantage of a California law and published the prop 8 donor list and then another company used it to take the heat off of themselves after one of their employees tweeted something obnoxious.
 
2014-04-17 07:52:17 PM  

grumpfuff: lantawa: Crotchrocket Slim: *tap tap tap* anyone who doesn't want a strong black man to make his anus into a vagina that is?

This is what you wrote in the Mother Jones topic thread.  Why?  Why would you write something like this? Who's the closeted homosexual?  Who has a problem with their sexual identity?  Hint:  It's not me, sport.  It's you.  You've been calling me names for some time now, and you have ZERO actual reason or cause to be trolling me like you are trolling me.   Now, shut your pie-hole and grow up. This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.  YOU.   Stop the personal attacks.  I'm really tired of it and you're being truly offensive.

I lol'd.


For once I'm glad someone quoted a troll I got listed as I wouldn't have been able to drink in the pure schadenfreude from the butthurt pussy* being given a taste of his own medicine. Oh the poor baby got his pwecious feewings hurt

*Don't think of the dynamics of that phrase for long
 
2014-04-17 07:54:05 PM  

ScaryBottles: lantawa: ScaryBottles: lantawa: Regarding the "link" between Middle East and West, I told you and everyone else here that I would work on it.  To be honest, the ganglike suppressive efforts regarding my viewpoint, by many of you here, is very much like the Baathist method of shouting down a dissident and then setting upon him.
[news.psu.edu image 200x200]

You walked right into that one chief.....

It's true that I did walk right into it, and I even forgot the combination to my locker, heheh.

To be fair, that is what Baathists do, though it's way too much of a stretch to believe that the average ITG Farker is a truly violent Farker[assets.diylol.com image 413x510]

You're making this too easy.


So are you: See?  I can picture too!

i466.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-17 07:56:36 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Much like many institutions have similarly bent over backwards for butthurt Christians for decades at the expense of Atheists, or you know enshrined pro-Christian discrimination into law and institutional procedure. Try being an unmarried yet together couple getting your kids into school in the year 2014, you'll be asked some exceptionally insulting questions a married couple will not.


You're talking about a different situation. Yours is a problem with the pre-existing culture and you have a legitimate beef. Those kind of questions are none of anybody's business. All the school need know about your home life is name, address, contact info and the usual health info and the like - and if Cletus Biblethumper on the school board can't get that through his skull, the courts will eventually explain it to him, and then the district superintendent will explain to Cletus that his Godhumping ways just cost the district half a million dollars in legal fees that could've been spent on football.

Colleges, on the other hand, like to market themselves as places where unpopular, provocative and even occasional straight-up batshiat ideas can get a fair and fact-based drama-free hearing - but in the Brandeis case, the college a) failed to do their homework then b) backpedaled on their stated principles because a student pressure group got sulky, and c) tried spinning a bullshiat tale about their reasons for doing so.

This at a college named after one of the nation's great champions of justice and free speech.
 
2014-04-17 07:56:42 PM  

lantawa: ScaryBottles: lantawa: ScaryBottles: lantawa: Regarding the "link" between Middle East and West, I told you and everyone else here that I would work on it.  To be honest, the ganglike suppressive efforts regarding my viewpoint, by many of you here, is very much like the Baathist method of shouting down a dissident and then setting upon him.
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You walked right into that one chief.....

It's true that I did walk right into it, and I even forgot the combination to my locker, heheh.

To be fair, that is what Baathists do, though it's way too much of a stretch to believe that the average ITG Farker is a truly violent Farker[assets.diylol.com image 413x510]

You're making this too easy.

So are you: See?  I can picture too!

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dev.solita.fi

I can do this all day captain.....
 
2014-04-17 07:57:10 PM  

CanisNoir: One example of a person shouting a single word does not make a pattern, and is not comparable to what Condi Rice, Cheny and others faced when invited to speak.


I've never heard of them being shouted at while making a speech. Trying to act like one side does this more than the other is blatant partisanship. Both sides do it, because both sides have immature little farks who do not know how to act.

CanisNoir: Your second example would be valid if there were actual discrimination at work, but Eich did not discriminate against anyone. Sorry, that one fails hard. There was no outward evidence of his political views, they only became widely known because someone vindictively took advantage of a California law and published the prop 8 donor list and then another company used it to take the heat off of themselves after one of their employees tweeted something obnoxious.


So the problem isn't that he made the donation, it's that people found out? Really? Not to mention he claimed he still held those beliefs.
 
2014-04-17 07:58:07 PM  

sprawl15: i dont know what's sadder, that someone's just spraying a firehose of piss at the thread or that dozens of posters are rushing it, mouths open


worst of all are the people who feel the need to say "LOL! He's a troll and y'all are stupid!  LOL!)

Seriously dude, just sit the thread out if it bothers you.

Or go check out the recent greenlights and make a big deal about repeats!!
 
2014-04-17 07:58:08 PM  

CanisNoir: grumpfuff: CanisNoir: If someone is invited to give a speech, they should not be shouted out by attendees who disagree. This practice is predominant on the left side of the American political spectrum.

CanisNoir: The Mozilla incident, imho, was a horrible and vindictive thing and I think it set a dangerous precident. I hope the right does not engage in a "tit for tat" campaign.

"We don't need anti-discrimination laws, the free market will fix it!"

*free market fixes it*

"WHY ARE YOU OPPRESSING HIM??"

Not to mention, saying it sets a dangerous precedent is stupid. Both sides have called for boycotts and people to fired before.

One example of a person shouting a single word does not make a pattern, and is not comparable to what Condi Rice, Cheny and others faced when invited to speak.

Your second example would be valid if there were actual discrimination at work, but Eich did not discriminate against anyone. Sorry, that one fails hard. There was no outward evidence of his political views, they only became widely known because someone vindictively took advantage of a California law and published the prop 8 donor list and then another company used it to take the heat off of themselves after one of their employees tweeted something obnoxious.


Turd dog, all political donations over $100 in California are public knowledge and Eich knew that when he made the donation, and he knew he made that donation when he accepted the CEO position, also knowing this would make him a public figure. But of course you support his bigotry even if it's far more passive than your own so he shouldn't ever have to take responsibility for them. The free market is supposed to enable you to discriminate against people you dislike, not actually be a free market, right? I'm waiting for your pathetic, unconsidered, limp wristed rationale as to why not.
 
2014-04-17 08:00:03 PM  

Gulper Eel: Crotchrocket Slim: Much like many institutions have similarly bent over backwards for butthurt Christians for decades at the expense of Atheists, or you know enshrined pro-Christian discrimination into law and institutional procedure. Try being an unmarried yet together couple getting your kids into school in the year 2014, you'll be asked some exceptionally insulting questions a married couple will not.

You're talking about a different situation. Yours is a problem with the pre-existing culture and you have a legitimate beef. Those kind of questions are none of anybody's business. All the school need know about your home life is name, address, contact info and the usual health info and the like - and if Cletus Biblethumper on the school board can't get that through his skull, the courts will eventually explain it to him, and then the district superintendent will explain to Cletus that his Godhumping ways just cost the district half a million dollars in legal fees that could've been spent on football.

Colleges, on the other hand, like to market themselves as places where unpopular, provocative and even occasional straight-up batshiat ideas can get a fair and fact-based drama-free hearing - but in the Brandeis case, the college a) failed to do their homework then b) backpedaled on their stated principles because a student pressure group got sulky, and c) tried spinning a bullshiat tale about their reasons for doing so.

This at a college named after one of the nation's great champions of justice and free speech.


It's okay when institutions one is legally required to enroll one's children into for reason such as yadda yadda yadda something lame and arbitrary
 
2014-04-17 08:00:48 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Turd dog, all political donations over $100 in California are public knowledge and Eich knew that when he made the donation, and he knew he made that donation when he accepted the CEO position, also knowing this would make him a public figure.


I take back my earlier comment.


Not to mention, all he had to do was say "Oops, I'm sorry." That's it. Had he said that, everything would have blown over. But he was more interested in taking a political stance than keeping his job, so I can't really say I pity him.
 
2014-04-17 08:01:14 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: grumpfuff: lantawa: Crotchrocket Slim: *tap tap tap* anyone who doesn't want a strong black man to make his anus into a vagina that is?

This is what you wrote in the Mother Jones topic thread.  Why?  Why would you write something like this? Who's the closeted homosexual?  Who has a problem with their sexual identity?  Hint:  It's not me, sport.  It's you.  You've been calling me names for some time now, and you have ZERO actual reason or cause to be trolling me like you are trolling me.   Now, shut your pie-hole and grow up. This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.  YOU.   Stop the personal attacks.  I'm really tired of it and you're being truly offensive.

I lol'd.

For once I'm glad someone quoted a troll I got listed as I wouldn't have been able to drink in the pure schadenfreude from the butthurt pussy* being given a taste of his own medicine. Oh the poor baby got his pwecious feewings hurt

*Don't think of the dynamics of that phrase for long


Crotchrocket Slim: grumpfuff: lantawa: Crotchrocket Slim: *tap tap tap* anyone who doesn't want a strong black man to make his anus into a vagina that is?

This is what you wrote in the Mother Jones topic thread.  Why?  Why would you write something like this? Who's the closeted homosexual?  Who has a problem with their sexual identity?  Hint:  It's not me, sport.  It's you.  You've been calling me names for some time now, and you have ZERO actual reason or cause to be trolling me like you are trolling me.   Now, shut your pie-hole and grow up. This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.  YOU.   Stop the personal attacks.  I'm really tired of it and you're being truly offensive.

I lol'd.

For once I'm glad someone quoted a troll I got listed as I wouldn't have been able to drink in the pure schadenfreude from the butthurt pussy* being given a taste of his own medicine. Oh the poor baby got his pwecious feewings hurt

*Don't think of the dynamics of that phrase for long


Okay sport. Here ya go.  You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader;  you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol.  If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried.  Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it.  Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus.  You'd like that, wouldn't you?

i466.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-17 08:02:18 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: sprawl15: i dont know what's sadder, that someone's just spraying a firehose of piss at the thread or that dozens of posters are rushing it, mouths open

worst of all are the people who feel the need to say "LOL! He's a troll and y'all are stupid!  LOL!)

Seriously dude, just sit the thread out if it bothers you.

Or go check out the recent greenlights and make a big deal about repeats!!


Truth be told I like using those posts to proxy poke the bear.
 
2014-04-17 08:03:10 PM  

grumpfuff: There's a difference between being an atheist, and saying:

"Once it's defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It's very difficult to even talk about peace now. They're not interested in peace. I think that we are at war with Islam. And there's no middle ground in wars."


That's it?

That's what got the Muslim students all fretful? They don't know how to contest those points other than to pout and stamping their widdle feetsies and demand that the bad lady stop talking? How the fark did they get admitted to Brandeis being that clueless?

That's a pretty flimsy excuse for a religion they've got going there. Farking hell, even that nutcase Ahmadinejad showed up at Columbia better prepared for a debate.
 
2014-04-17 08:04:33 PM  

lantawa: Crotchrocket Slim: grumpfuff: lantawa: Crotchrocket Slim: *tap tap tap* anyone who doesn't want a strong black man to make his anus into a vagina that is?

This is what you wrote in the Mother Jones topic thread.  Why?  Why would you write something like this? Who's the closeted homosexual?  Who has a problem with their sexual identity?  Hint:  It's not me, sport.  It's you.  You've been calling me names for some time now, and you have ZERO actual reason or cause to be trolling me like you are trolling me.   Now, shut your pie-hole and grow up. This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.  YOU.   Stop the personal attacks.  I'm really tired of it and you're being truly offensive.

I lol'd.

For once I'm glad someone quoted a troll I got listed as I wouldn't have been able to drink in the pure schadenfreude from the butthurt pussy* being given a taste of his own medicine. Oh the poor baby got his pwecious feewings hurt

*Don't think of the dynamics of that phrase for long

Crotchrocket Slim: grumpfuff: lantawa: Crotchrocket Slim: *tap tap tap* anyone who doesn't want a strong black man to make his anus into a vagina that is?

This is what you wrote in the Mother Jones topic thread.  Why?  Why would you write something like this? Who's the closeted homosexual?  Who has a problem with their sexual identity?  Hint:  It's not me, sport.  It's you.  You've been calling me names for some time now, and you have ZERO actual reason or cause to be trolling me like you are trolling me.   Now, shut your pie-hole and grow up. This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.  YOU.   Stop the personal attacks.  I'm really tired of it and you're being truly offensive.

I lol'd.

For once I'm glad som ...


lantawa: This is the adult world, where many persons like myself and the others in this thread discuss and differ in their opinions relative to social and political topics that are currently in play.

Practice what you preach rev.
 
2014-04-17 08:05:55 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: SeriousGeorge: I was amazed at the irony with which people supported the removal of Eich because of his homophobic views only to have a lot of those same people sneer at the idea that Stephen Colbert should face any backlash for his (debatably) racist joke without noticing the similarity between the two cases.

Or the differences, as in one was satire.

For the record, I believe calls to boycott Eich/Mozilla were silly.  But they were at least based on his actual views, and not a satirical poking of views


No one contested that what Colbert said was satire. Their point was that it was racist DESPITE being satire and Colbert's good intentions.

Crotchrocket Slim:


You sound concerned. A little fearful, very uncertain, and full of doubt.

Right, no reason to be concerned.
 
2014-04-17 08:06:18 PM  

Gulper Eel: grumpfuff: There's a difference between being an atheist, and saying:

"Once it's defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It's very difficult to even talk about peace now. They're not interested in peace. I think that we are at war with Islam. And there's no middle ground in wars."

That's it?

That's what got the Muslim students all fretful? They don't know how to contest those points other than to pout and stamping their widdle feetsies and demand that the bad lady stop talking? How the fark did they get admitted to Brandeis being that clueless?

That's a pretty flimsy excuse for a religion they've got going there. Farking hell, even that nutcase Ahmadinejad showed up at Columbia better prepared for a debate.


Yes, because it's only Muslim students who "stamp their widdle feetsies and demand that the bad [person] stop talking."

It's not like full-grown Christians do that every farking day, but no, you'll reserve your poutrage for some Muslim college kids.
 
2014-04-17 08:07:05 PM  

grumpfuff: Crotchrocket Slim: Turd dog, all political donations over $100 in California are public knowledge and Eich knew that when he made the donation, and he knew he made that donation when he accepted the CEO position, also knowing this would make him a public figure.

I take back my earlier comment.


Not to mention, all he had to do was say "Oops, I'm sorry." That's it. Had he said that, everything would have blown over. But he was more interested in taking a political stance than keeping his job, so I can't really say I pity him.


Or he could have been a bit more ambiguous about it. "Listen, I've been her at Mozilla since the beginning. I know the culture here, I know the expectations of the board. I know I will be dismissed if I ever act in a way contrary to the corporate culture here as well as Mozilla's commitment and interpretation of just what is social justice, and if my personal attitudes run counter to these Mozilla will begin the search for the next CEO." And if he's not a total assbag at least establish that unlike the other bridge dwellers who supported Prop 8, suggest that he supports granting gays civil unions which have all the exact same benefits as marriage (and hopefully mean that).
 
2014-04-17 08:08:45 PM  

lantawa: Okay sport. Here ya go. You've worked hard for it, and I just want you to once again see the horrible horrible picture of your Illustrious Leader; you know, the one that outraged you and sent you spiralling into a black hole of "farkying" that bad ol' man who dared to insult your idol. If this were the Middle East, and this guy in the pic was the leader of the Middle Eastern country, then I'd be ended, disappeared, taken out to the desert, and buried. Too bad that you can't do that, isn't it. Schadenfraude indeed: Maybe He can make a vagina out of YOUR anus. You'd like that, wouldn't you?


Shouldn't you be providing evidence to back up your claims?

Get to work, slacker!
 
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