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(Guardian)   Pootie Poot and Snowden make their first official TV appearance together to discuss how free Russia is and how terrible the US is   (theguardian.com) divider line 159
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2014-04-17 10:02:31 AM  
They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.
 
2014-04-17 10:17:55 AM  
Maybe I'm wrong, but Snowden seems to have gotten Putin on record as saying that he doesn't authorize mass spying.   I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.
 
2014-04-17 10:35:24 AM  

BunkyBrewman: I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.


Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.
 
2014-04-17 10:53:10 AM  

RexTalionis: They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.


he sure is a hero.  Heroes always do the right thing then run away and hide.  Then complain when the winter comes and they want to hide somewhere warmer.
 
2014-04-17 10:54:33 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Maybe I'm wrong, but Snowden seems to have gotten Putin on record as saying that he doesn't authorize mass spying.   I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.


Snowden is a tool for Putin's whims.  When Uncle Vlad is tired of him, or needs to use him as a bargaining chip, Eddie's as good as gone.
 
2014-04-17 11:42:36 AM  
That Putin is so hot right now.
 
2014-04-17 11:48:08 AM  

RexTalionis: BunkyBrewman: I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.

Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.


The problem is, however, that Snowden had access to US intelligence that may be able to prove that Russia was doing much the same thing.

Sure, Putin isn't going to let him anywhere near anything remotely classified in Russia, but it could already be that the information is in the hands of Greenwald, just waiting to be published.

Or perhaps not.  But it's got to keep Putin thinking.
 
2014-04-17 11:59:01 AM  

RexTalionis: They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.


The right sure does love them some putin, don't they?
 
2014-04-17 11:59:16 AM  

dittybopper: RexTalionis: BunkyBrewman: I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.

Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.

The problem is, however, that Snowden had access to US intelligence that may be able to prove that Russia was doing much the same thing.

Sure, Putin isn't going to let him anywhere near anything remotely classified in Russia, but it could already be that the information is in the hands of Greenwald, just waiting to be published.

Or perhaps not.  But it's got to keep Putin thinking.


It's a fun idea to entertain.  And it would certainly make me happy if it were so.  I just don't have much hope in Snowden's character, or willingness to sacrifice for a cause.  Imagine how he'd be treated there if he leaked their stuff.

When I watched it all I could think of was "Stockholm Syndrome."
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-17 12:00:18 PM  
dittybopper:

Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.

The problem is, however, that Snowden had access to US intelligence that may be able to prove that Russia was doing much the same thing.

Sure, Putin isn't going to let him anywhere near anything remotely classified in Russia, but it could already be that the information is in the hands of Greenwald, just waiting to be published.

Or perhaps not.  But it's got to keep Putin thinking.


Could be, but why would the NSA even be looking for that sort of thing?
 
2014-04-17 12:05:18 PM  

Diogenes: dittybopper: RexTalionis: BunkyBrewman: I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.

Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.

The problem is, however, that Snowden had access to US intelligence that may be able to prove that Russia was doing much the same thing.

Sure, Putin isn't going to let him anywhere near anything remotely classified in Russia, but it could already be that the information is in the hands of Greenwald, just waiting to be published.

Or perhaps not.  But it's got to keep Putin thinking.

It's a fun idea to entertain.  And it would certainly make me happy if it were so.  I just don't have much hope in Snowden's character, or willingness to sacrifice for a cause.  Imagine how he'd be treated there if he leaked their stuff.

When I watched it all I could think of was "Stockholm Syndrome."


Either that or he was a russian plant from the begining. His first trip to china was a bit of misdirect?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-17 12:10:25 PM  
sithon:

Either that or he was a russian plant from the begining. His first trip to china was a bit of misdirect?

I don't think he would have given his information to journalists if he was.
 
2014-04-17 12:18:00 PM  

dittybopper: RexTalionis: BunkyBrewman: I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.

Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.

The problem is, however, that Snowden had access to US intelligence that may be able to prove that Russia was doing much the same thing.

Sure, Putin isn't going to let him anywhere near anything remotely classified in Russia, but it could already be that the information is in the hands of Greenwald, just waiting to be published.

Or perhaps not.  But it's got to keep Putin thinking.


Fifteen minutes after Greenwald publishes anything like that, Putin will be on television telling the world how terrible it is that the CIA assassinated Snowden with polonium.
 
2014-04-17 12:19:07 PM  

vpb: dittybopper:

Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.

The problem is, however, that Snowden had access to US intelligence that may be able to prove that Russia was doing much the same thing.

Sure, Putin isn't going to let him anywhere near anything remotely classified in Russia, but it could already be that the information is in the hands of Greenwald, just waiting to be published.

Or perhaps not.  But it's got to keep Putin thinking.

Could be, but why would the NSA even be looking for that sort of thing?


You're joking, right?

You can't think of a single reason why the US wouldn't be interested in how Russia monitors the communications of it's own people?
 
2014-04-17 12:20:56 PM  

toraque: dittybopper: RexTalionis: BunkyBrewman: I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.

Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.

The problem is, however, that Snowden had access to US intelligence that may be able to prove that Russia was doing much the same thing.

Sure, Putin isn't going to let him anywhere near anything remotely classified in Russia, but it could already be that the information is in the hands of Greenwald, just waiting to be published.

Or perhaps not.  But it's got to keep Putin thinking.

Fifteen minutes after Greenwald publishes anything like that, Putin will be on television telling the world how terrible it is that the CIA assassinated Snowden with polonium.


Flip it around.  It might be Snowden's insurance policy:  "If I die, Greenwald publishes everything I found about you, Vladimir Vladimirovich".
 
2014-04-17 12:23:40 PM  

Diogenes: Imagine how he'd be treated there if he leaked their stuff.


he'd end up like one of those strays in Sochi.
 
2014-04-17 12:30:08 PM  
I doubt Putin has a lot of farks to give about what Snowden may have found out about the Russians.

He's their pet whistle blower and they're training him to do tricks.
 
2014-04-17 12:39:42 PM  
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
 
2014-04-17 12:40:09 PM  
President Vladimir Putin has told the National Security Agency whistleblower, Edward Snowden, that Russia is not carrying out mass surveillance programmes of the kind Snowden exposed in the US.

Well, yeah.......of course.  Russia can't afford that kind of technology.
 
2014-04-17 12:40:34 PM  

sithon: Diogenes: dittybopper: RexTalionis: BunkyBrewman: I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.

Putin knows Snowden is a leaker. He would have him nowhere near any classified information.

The problem is, however, that Snowden had access to US intelligence that may be able to prove that Russia was doing much the same thing.

Sure, Putin isn't going to let him anywhere near anything remotely classified in Russia, but it could already be that the information is in the hands of Greenwald, just waiting to be published.

Or perhaps not.  But it's got to keep Putin thinking.

It's a fun idea to entertain.  And it would certainly make me happy if it were so.  I just don't have much hope in Snowden's character, or willingness to sacrifice for a cause.  Imagine how he'd be treated there if he leaked their stuff.

When I watched it all I could think of was "Stockholm Syndrome."

Either that or he was a russian plant from the begining. His first trip to china was a bit of misdirect?


Nah, remember Obama ordered the Bolivian President's plane either shot down or grounded because he thought Snowden was on board.
 
2014-04-17 12:40:39 PM  

RexTalionis: They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.


The US can release him from Putin's grasp with the flick of pen and a few keystrokes.  If he is truly a security threat, do you really think they would have stranded him there instead of allowing him on to Ecuador, Iceland or Cuba, or anywhere else where he would be much more accessible?

Snowden's a smart guy.  I'm sure he understood that just by asking the question, it opened up anything that Putin replied to public scrutiny.  What's more, it's reveals the hypocrisy of the hand-wringers who outraged by Putin's duplicity, yet are mute or aquiescent the US' own duplicity on the subject.
 
2014-04-17 12:41:48 PM  
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2014-04-17 12:42:22 PM  

vpb: I don't think he would have given his information to journalists if he was.


Why not? Better optics, and, let's be honest here, pieces will keep getting published so long as it's profitable to publish them. All of it's coming out eventually.
 
2014-04-17 12:42:29 PM  
They probably don't conduct mass surveillance because some drunkards stole all the copper wiring.
 
2014-04-17 12:42:37 PM  

MooseBayou: Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?


Giving speeches.

tully.syr.edu
 
2014-04-17 12:43:25 PM  

MooseBayou: Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?


In the repeat thread up page a bit
 
2014-04-17 12:43:39 PM  
He's doing what he's gotta do to keep himself from being thrown into Gitmo and tortured indefinitely.
 
2014-04-17 12:44:05 PM  

incendi: vpb: I don't think he would have given his information to journalists if he was.

Why not?


Because you don't want your adversary to know what you know.
 
2014-04-17 12:45:35 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: RexTalionis: They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.

The US can release him from Putin's grasp with the flick of pen and a few keystrokes.  If he is truly a security threat, do you really think they would have stranded him there instead of allowing him on to Ecuador, Iceland or Cuba, or anywhere else where he would be much more accessible?

Snowden's a smart guy.  I'm sure he understood that just by asking the question, it opened up anything that Putin replied to public scrutiny.  What's more, it's reveals the hypocrisy of the hand-wringers who outraged by Putin's duplicity, yet are mute or aquiescent the US' own duplicity on the subject.


Your last paragraph sums it all up.
 
2014-04-17 12:46:09 PM  
Selling out national secrets, fleeing to Russia, and now helping Putin deliver propaganda. God only knows how much he's told Russia about our national security apparatus. At what point does he become a traitor?
 
2014-04-17 12:46:16 PM  
Go ask somebody in Chechnya how wonderful the Russians are.

And then go ask an Iraqi how wonderful the Americans are.....
 
2014-04-17 12:48:56 PM  

ManateeGag: RexTalionis: They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.

he sure is a hero.  Heroes always do the right thing then run away and hide.  Then complain when the winter comes and they want to hide somewhere warmer.


Considering how Bradley Manning got treated, I'd farking run too.

However, he can't be stupid enough not to realize that everything out of his mouth is assumed to be from Putin's hand up his ass, so there's that. *shrug* Not a lot of places that don't have extradition treaties with America and can back that up, I suspect.
 
2014-04-17 12:49:31 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Snowden's a smart guy.


He's not doing such a great job of managing his image.
 
2014-04-17 12:49:53 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Because you don't want your adversary to know what you know.


Well, if you want you already have a general idea what's going on, and just want to wreck your adversary's surveillance apparatus without appearing to do it yourself, the "dramatic whistleblower" route seems to be pretty effective.

Not that I think Snowden's was actually a plant (just a traitor), but if Russia was going to try something, it really couldn't have gone off much smoother than this.
 
2014-04-17 12:50:07 PM  
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Although I doubt he has much control over his actions at this point. Just Putin's propaganda toy.
 
2014-04-17 12:51:47 PM  
Two Great Representations of Institutional Ineptitude Get Together for a Fun Run
 
2014-04-17 12:51:50 PM  

ManateeGag: he sure is a hero. Heroes always do the right thing then run away and hide. Then complain when the winter comes and they want to hide somewhere warmer.


nah, real heroes monday morning quarterback the actions of someone trying to avoid torture while getting information out to the public and real heroes do it all from the comfort of their mom's basement.
 
2014-04-17 12:52:36 PM  

JesusJuice: Selling out national secrets, fleeing to Russia, and now helping Putin deliver propaganda. God only knows how much he's told Russia about our national security apparatus. At what point does he become a traitor?


When Obama is no longer in office.  Unless the net President is Hillary.
 
2014-04-17 12:53:01 PM  

ManateeGag: BunkyBrewman: Maybe I'm wrong, but Snowden seems to have gotten Putin on record as saying that he doesn't authorize mass spying.   I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.

Snowden is a tool for Putin's whims.  When Uncle Vlad is tired of him, or needs to use him as a bargaining chip, Eddie's as good as gone.


To Cuba, probably.
 
2014-04-17 12:53:56 PM  

Aidan: Considering how Bradley Manning got treated, I'd farking run too.


This statement deserves a moment of reflection.
 
2014-04-17 12:54:38 PM  

MooseBayou: Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?


There, there.
 
2014-04-17 12:54:56 PM  

incendi: Well, if you want you already have a general idea what's going on, and just want to wreck your adversary's surveillance apparatus without appearing to do it yourself, the "dramatic whistleblower" route seems to be pretty effective.


From the Russian perspective, it'd be much more exploitable to let the Americans continue thinking they were unaware of the surveillance.
 
2014-04-17 12:55:26 PM  

ManateeGag: When Uncle Vlad is tired of him, or needs to use him as a bargaining chip, Eddie's as good as gone.


www.sprinklesandbooze.com
 
2014-04-17 12:55:33 PM  

RexTalionis: They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.


He was always a propaganda piece against the US.
 
2014-04-17 12:55:44 PM  

SpdrJay: Go ask somebody in Chechnya how wonderful the Russians are.

And then go ask an Iraqi how wonderful the Americans are.....


Yeah, different names, but the same old games.
 
2014-04-17 12:55:46 PM  

CarnySaur: ManateeGag: BunkyBrewman: Maybe I'm wrong, but Snowden seems to have gotten Putin on record as saying that he doesn't authorize mass spying.   I have a funny feeling Snowden is aware of classified information that will disprove Vlad's statement.

Snowden is a tool for Putin's whims.  When Uncle Vlad is tired of him, or needs to use him as a bargaining chip, Eddie's as good as gone.

To Cuba, probably.


I'd be amused if, down the road, negotiations regarding Ukraine and lifting sanctions doesn't result in Snowden getting black-bagged and turned back over to American authorities.
 
2014-04-17 12:56:39 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 12:56:45 PM  
I am in awe of Snowden. He took the worst option and has played his hand well.
Hopefully he can not get himself killed before the end of Obama's presidency or the beginning of the next guy.
 
2014-04-17 12:57:10 PM  

Aidan: ManateeGag: RexTalionis: They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.

he sure is a hero.  Heroes always do the right thing then run away and hide.  Then complain when the winter comes and they want to hide somewhere warmer.

Considering how Bradley Manning got treated, I'd farking run too.

However, he can't be stupid enough not to realize that everything out of his mouth is assumed to be from Putin's hand up his ass, so there's that. *shrug* Not a lot of places that don't have extradition treaties with America and can back that up, I suspect.


Manning was a hermaphroditic freak acting out against his employer. Nothing but a disgruntled employee who decided to get revenge.

I'm glad he finally found his true calling as a prison biatch.
 
2014-04-17 12:57:11 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: RexTalionis: They're using him as a propaganda piece against the US now. But he's still a hero to some, I guess.

The right sure does love them some putin, don't they?


Boredom... They need another cold war... lol
 
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