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(Above the Law)   Great news, law students: the compensation bar for contract attorney work in South Carolina has been lowered to $8 an hour   (abovethelaw.com) divider line 85
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2014-04-17 01:36:55 PM  
As someone who works in Mt. Pleasant, I can tell you this is not a cheap place to be.  So they're asking someone that will be driving at least 2gal/day just to get to work... now $7/hr.  And if you forget your lunch one day?  That's $10 minimum... now $5.80/hr.

Unemployment in this state is around 6%.  There can't be that many USC Law grads scraping the barrel that hard.
 
2014-04-17 01:47:03 PM  
Thanks Obama
 
2014-04-17 02:10:54 PM  
Only 20,000 hours left until you pay off your student loans!
 
2014-04-17 02:14:56 PM  
Remember that when you are paying your attorney $250 per hour. He or she is standing on the firm foundation that only the best in $8 per hour attorneys can provide.
 
2014-04-17 02:21:41 PM  
So they are being treated like the normal human beings they are, and not the Aristocratic Supermen they imagine themselves to be.

/It's not my fault you overpaid for your college education
//You don't need a law degree to pass the bar.
 
2014-04-17 02:23:47 PM  
Did anyone actually apply for the job Lou?  Did you contact the hiring agent?  That is some fine reporting I tells ya.

Wanted PHD in Physics.  A Nobel prize is a must.  Needed for calculus tutoring.  Starting out $7.25/hr with a chance of bonus if kid passes the test.  House is wheelchair accessable.  Contact Bob at XXX XXXX
 
2014-04-17 02:24:43 PM  

Lost Thought 00: //You don't need a law degree to pass the bar.


You pretty much need one to be allowed to sit for the exam though.
 
2014-04-17 02:35:30 PM  
That's $7.99 too much for a vile breed of trogolodyte
 
2014-04-17 02:36:12 PM  

gadian: Lost Thought 00: //You don't need a law degree to pass the bar.

You pretty much need one to be allowed to sit for the exam though.


I always take a 800lbs bear with me to my exams. They let me sit where ever I want ...
 
2014-04-17 02:47:38 PM  

Lost Thought 00: So they are being treated like the normal human beings they are, and not the Aristocratic Supermen they imagine themselves to be.

/It's not my fault you overpaid for your college education
//You don't need a law degree to pass the bar.


Your clear disdain for the educated aside, this is what this listing boils down to: "We're looking for someone with a very specific set of skills and a college education.  We're willing to pay you unskilled-labor wages."
 
2014-04-17 02:49:27 PM  
Or you can be an Architect, where even with an advanced degree, you will still be called an "Intern" for several years (as required by law) and you cant even take the ARE (Bar exam for architects) during that time.
 
2014-04-17 02:51:12 PM  
Both my sister and my Partner do this work. They are recent (past 5 years) grads. This isn't a good sign.

Luckily for both of them, the pay is still decent in DC...for now.
 
2014-04-17 02:54:59 PM  

gadian: You pretty much need one to be allowed to sit for the exam though.


There was an article a month ago about an unaccredited fundamentalist Christian college that was pumping out graduates in law for its social holy war.  The article noted that your LSAT score mattered more than your school's accreditation, so it didn't matter that the school was ostrocized in the education system.
 
2014-04-17 02:59:43 PM  
It is almost like there are to many lawyers.
 
2014-04-17 03:01:00 PM  

Saiga410: Did anyone actually apply for the job Lou? Did you contact the hiring agent? That is some fine reporting I tells ya.

Wanted PHD in Physics. A Nobel prize is a must. Needed for calculus tutoring. Starting out $7.25/hr with a chance of bonus if kid passes the test. House is wheelchair accessable. Contact Bob at XXX XXXX


This.  I'm calling shenanigans on the story.  Maybe the ad is real, but has anyone actually been hired to do that work at that rate?  it's like this scenario:  I live in a cardboard box under the bridge.  I list my box for sale for $1 million.  Headline:  "Housing prices soar!  Boxes go for $1 million."
 
2014-04-17 03:04:04 PM  
Supply and Demand.....

The real world doesn't care how hard you work, or what you've done in the past, or how good of a person you are or how many mouths you have to feed.

Employers want the best employee at the best wage they can get them.  Employees want the best job (usually at the highest wage) they can get them.  Jobs happen when when an employee and an employee agree upon terms.

If you don't like the wage, don't take the job.  If you think the market is exploiting a particular segment of the population - like law students - this is an opportunity for you to open a law firm and offer a higher wage.  Naturally, you'll get your selection of the best and the brightest law students, and (presumably) your belief is that they will perform better than the other students, giving your law firm a competitive edge and you'll clean up.

If you think the legal system creates unfair bubbles (This is crap - ANYONE should be able to perform surgery, not just doctors!  The legal system is propping up their wages) well, petition to change the laws (don't complain about the effects) and/or take on that job so that the system benefits you.
 
2014-04-17 03:07:28 PM  

Gunboat: Saiga410: Did anyone actually apply for the job Lou? Did you contact the hiring agent? That is some fine reporting I tells ya.

Wanted PHD in Physics. A Nobel prize is a must. Needed for calculus tutoring. Starting out $7.25/hr with a chance of bonus if kid passes the test. House is wheelchair accessable. Contact Bob at XXX XXXX

This.  I'm calling shenanigans on the story.  Maybe the ad is real, but has anyone actually been hired to do that work at that rate?  it's like this scenario:  I live in a cardboard box under the bridge.  I list my box for sale for $1 million.  Headline:  "Housing prices soar!  Boxes go for $1 million."


There's nothing inherently unbelievable about the story.  Contract lawyers were getting between $10-15/hr in some places, depending on who was hiring.  I've seen ads for temporary attorneys at government agencies where they explicitly state that you will not be paid and you will not be hired when your time is done.
 
2014-04-17 03:12:54 PM  

Dinjiin: There was an article a month ago about an unaccredited fundamentalist Christian college that was pumping out graduates in law for its social holy war. The article noted that your LSAT score mattered more than your school's accreditation, so it didn't matter that the school was ostrocized in the education system.


Yes but the issue at hand is whether the State Supreme Court allows non-graduates of accredited law schools to sit the exam.  The vast majority of jurisdictions require you to have graduated from an accredited school, a school licensed by the state or show you served as an apprentice  to a barred attorney for a period of years (i.e. you are "a country lawyer" and as far as i know only four or five states let you do even that).
 
2014-04-17 03:18:03 PM  

Saiga410: Did anyone actually apply for the job Lou?  Did you contact the hiring agent?  That is some fine reporting I tells ya.

Wanted PHD in Physics.  A Nobel prize is a must.  Needed for calculus tutoring.  Starting out $7.25/hr with a chance of bonus if kid passes the test.  House is wheelchair accessable.  Contact Bob at XXX XXXX


Don't forget about the 10 years of iPad experience.
 
2014-04-17 03:19:28 PM  
Aw, too bad they can't find anyone to do that job at that fair market price!

Wello.  They'll just have to hire foreigners, I guess.

I mean, since there are no Americans that can do the job, and all.
 
2014-04-17 03:22:23 PM  

shut_it_down: There's nothing inherently unbelievable about the story. Contract lawyers were getting between $10-15/hr in some places, depending on who was hiring. I've seen ads for temporary attorneys at government agencies where they explicitly state that you will not be paid and you will not be hired when your time is done


Really?  Ok.  Seriously, I don't know, I haven't been looking because I have a great job that let's me fark all day long.

Good grief, even $15/hr is pitiful.  Maybe the lawyers can team up with the fast food workers in demanding wage reform.
 
2014-04-17 03:22:59 PM  
lets.  no apostrohpe.
 
2014-04-17 03:28:11 PM  
Complex Civil Rights Litigation

There's your problem.

Whatever shoestring nonprofit gadfly organization is putting this together has no budget.

I'll also guess they have no case.

And I'd bet the contractor will end up with bounced wages.
 
2014-04-17 03:29:36 PM  
Wow, that's even worse than the raw deal sessional instructors get.

Who needs a prosperous, educated middle class?  I want a yacht, dammit, and paying my peons enough to live on cuts into my Yacht Fund.
 
2014-04-17 03:37:52 PM  

Another Government Employee: Complex Civil Rights Litigation

There's your problem.

Whatever shoestring nonprofit gadfly organization is putting this together has no budget.

I'll also guess they have no case.

And I'd bet the contractor will end up with bounced wages.


DING DING DING!!!  WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

/don't like the wages? don't take the job....
 
2014-04-17 03:42:04 PM  
I'm playing the world's smallest violin for the lawyers.
 
2014-04-17 03:50:10 PM  
If you get a law degree outside of the top 20 law schools it's basically worthless. You're not going to get a job practicing law. You might get a job where your legal experience is preferable.

The catch is that there's not a massive difference in price between a Harvard Law degree and a Buttfark Nowhere Law degree.
 
2014-04-17 03:51:11 PM  

factoryconnection: Lost Thought 00: So they are being treated like the normal human beings they are, and not the Aristocratic Supermen they imagine themselves to be.

/It's not my fault you overpaid for your college education
//You don't need a law degree to pass the bar.

Your clear disdain for the educated aside, this is what this listing boils down to: "We're looking for someone with a very specific set of skills and a college education.  We're willing to pay you unskilled-labor wages."


I think your forgetting about the documentary based in New York about a brilliant young white male you dazzles everybody with his intrinsic law related knowledge.  All while not having a law degree!  I believe the documentary is called "Suits".
 
2014-04-17 04:01:58 PM  

Gunboat: shut_it_down: There's nothing inherently unbelievable about the story. Contract lawyers were getting between $10-15/hr in some places, depending on who was hiring. I've seen ads for temporary attorneys at government agencies where they explicitly state that you will not be paid and you will not be hired when your time is done

Really?  Ok.  Seriously, I don't know, I haven't been looking because I have a great job that let's me fark all day long.

Good grief, even $15/hr is pitiful.  Maybe the lawyers can team up with the fast food workers in demanding wage reform.


Well, the worst part about these contract jobs isn't even that the pay is so pathetic, it's that taking one of these jobs once makes it almost impossible to be hired by a firm down the road.  You essentially get branded as a pathetic loser that's not worth consideration in the future.
 
2014-04-17 04:09:58 PM  
Apparently the saying "You get what you pay for" is not well known in South Carolina.
 
2014-04-17 04:12:44 PM  
http://www.leclercqlaw.com

Law firm in question.

The going rate in Columbia is 17 bucks an hour for doc review
 
2014-04-17 04:19:01 PM  

factoryconnection: As someone who works in Mt. Pleasant, I can tell you this is not a cheap place to be.  So they're asking someone that will be driving at least 2gal/day just to get to work... now $7/hr.  And if you forget your lunch one day?  That's $10 minimum... now $5.80/hr.

Unemployment in this state is around 6%.  There can't be that many USC Law grads scraping the barrel that hard.


You forgot to take about 40% off the top for taxes. so start from $4.8----gas $3.8-----lunch $1.8. Is parking free in the area? $.80/hr.  Do you wear clean clothes $.75/hr.  Dental insurance? $.50/hr.  Did you insure that car? $.25/hr.  Your ACA healthcare bronze plan? $-2.25/hr.(you probably get a subsidy though.)
 
2014-04-17 04:19:20 PM  

Bondith: Wow, that's even worse than the raw deal sessional instructors get.

Who needs a prosperous, educated middle class?  I want a yacht, dammit, and paying my peons enough to live on cuts into my Yacht Fund.


Haha, you don't even have a yacht?

Peon.
 
2014-04-17 04:31:12 PM  

factoryconnection: Your clear disdain for the educated aside, this is what this listing boils down to: "We're looking for someone with a very specific set of skills


Liam Neeson?
 
2014-04-17 04:35:39 PM  

factoryconnection: Lost Thought 00: So they are being treated like the normal human beings they are, and not the Aristocratic Supermen they imagine themselves to be.

/It's not my fault you overpaid for your college education
//You don't need a law degree to pass the bar.

Your clear disdain for the educated aside, this is what this listing boils down to: "We're looking for someone with a very specific set of skills and a college education.  We're willing to pay you unskilled-labor wages."


It really is a supply and demand issue.  There are maybe 10,000 people in the world that currently have the skills and knowledge to do my job. Of that, about 1,200 are retired and unwilling to continue working.  Of the remaining 8,800 or so, about 1,000 do not like the field and choose to work in other areas.  Of the 7,800, about 2,500 are in positions of management and too busy to do my job.  Of the remaining 5,300, about 150 are in prison or otherwise barred from employment.  There are about 600 employed at lower levels waiting for an opportunity to move up.  There are about 5,500 positions that need to be filled.

My job is clearly to randomly pull numbers out of my backside.
 
2014-04-17 04:42:23 PM  

factoryconnection: Lost Thought 00: So they are being treated like the normal human beings they are, and not the Aristocratic Supermen they imagine themselves to be.

/It's not my fault you overpaid for your college education
//You don't need a law degree to pass the bar.


Your clear disdain for the educated aside, this is what this listing boils down to: "We're looking for someone with a very specific set of skills and a college education. We're willing to pay you unskilled-labor wages."


Devil's advocate, though... contract lawyer jobs are unskilled jobs.  You don't have to know anything about the law to do it, you're just looking at documents and flagging the ones that are relevant for the project.  A high-schooler could do it just as well.
 
2014-04-17 04:42:39 PM  

LemSkroob: Or you can be an Architect, where even with an advanced degree, you will still be called an "Intern" for several years (as required by law) and you cant even take the ARE (Bar exam for architects) during that time.


Then take 9 expensive tests.  The vignettes use the worst drafting software known to man.  When you fail a test you have to wait 6 months to take it again.  The fees tend to rise every 6 months (whodthunkit).  And you have a set limit of time to pass all the tests.

THEN...

if you want to be licensed in other states you may have to jump through dozens of hoops.  Looking at you Texas.
 
2014-04-17 04:44:27 PM  
I hope they can get Health Care.
 
2014-04-17 04:46:56 PM  
shiat, even a rookie attorney would have to be insane (or crazy desperate) to go for that.  Around here starting wage for newly-minted paralegals is ten bucks/hr.
 
2014-04-17 05:02:14 PM  
At least it's something. Many government agencies around here are all "hey, why don't you volunteer full-time for six months and then we will see if we want to pay you $40k a year for 60 hours a week." Good luck paying back your six figure debt on that.

/too many lawyers. Don't become another one.
 
2014-04-17 05:04:27 PM  
Lawyers being hired by Manpower now.
Interesting.

Love the globalized economy, serfs!?
 
2014-04-17 05:15:35 PM  
Still overpaid.
 
2014-04-17 05:20:13 PM  
sorry but hahaha
 
2014-04-17 05:59:25 PM  
$8 an hour? She better have some real nice hooters for that kind of money.

/I'm wondering when people in this country will stop hating themselves and start hating the people who really need to be hated on.
/have you been watching your local election ads? no matter where you live in this country, the same few people are buying those ads. And those candidates
 
2014-04-17 06:20:35 PM  
Guess you'll just have to make more 5 minute phone calls you can bill a full hour for. Waaaaaaaah.
 
2014-04-17 06:21:07 PM  

Qatmandu: shiat, even a rookie attorney would have to be insane (or crazy desperate) to go for that.  Around here starting wage for newly-minted paralegals is ten bucks/hr.


To be fair, there's no reason why document review has to be done by a lawyer at all. With sufficient direction as to what to look for and cull out, it could very well be farmed out to a paralegal, or even a friggin' high school graduate.
 
2014-04-17 06:25:25 PM  
As a law student, one of my professors for whom I was doing research document review referred to the Work-Study wage cap of $14/hr as "slave wages".  But $8?  I could get that at McDonald's.
 
2014-04-17 06:33:44 PM  

cefm: As a law student, one of my professors for whom I was doing research document review referred to the Work-Study wage cap of $14/hr as "slave wages".  But $8?  I could get that at McDonald's.


A small documents reprographics puke copying the legal documents makes more than that.
 
2014-04-17 06:56:12 PM  

Dinjiin: gadian: You pretty much need one to be allowed to sit for the exam though.

There was an article a month ago about an unaccredited fundamentalist Christian college that was pumping out graduates in law for its social holy war.  The article noted that your LSAT score mattered more than your school's accreditation, so it didn't matter that the school was ostrocized in the education system.


Bullshiat. The only state that allows bar admission from an accredited school is CA. And the ABA requires ABA schools to verify undergrad accreditation. Now, it need not necessarily be REGIONAL accreditation, just DOE approved.

So a Christian school accredited by, say the AABC, could pump out pre law, but that's about it.
 
2014-04-17 06:58:47 PM  

cefm: As a law student, one of my professors for whom I was doing research document review referred to the Work-Study wage cap of $14/hr as "slave wages".  But $8?  I could get that at McDonald's.


Also...did I miss it, the listing didn't actually say LAWYERS did it?

Maybe these are people to just manually review documents looking for key phrases or data, because someone is too cheap to but a good scanner and OCR software?
 
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