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(American Thinker)   The First Amendment's clause prohibiting an establishment of religion applied to the federal government, not the states   (americanthinker.com) divider line 192
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2014-04-17 08:30:17 AM
So.

Much.

Derp.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-17 08:37:33 AM
That was Thomas' argument, if I recall correctly, and I agree with it. Cities can intersect sticks at a right angle, in a six pointed star, in the form of pile of dry spaghetti, or any other shape they like. They can't make you bow to it. They can fine you for abusing the court system if you sue because you're offended.

/DNRTFA
 
2014-04-17 08:39:52 AM
And the Fourteenth Amendment makes the First apply to the States, not just the Federal government.
 
2014-04-17 08:40:24 AM
We tried that. Under the Articles of Confederation, states DID have official state religions.

It got a lot of folks run out their homes, and it got some folks killed.

So, yeah, let's try that again, because if worked out so well...
 
2014-04-17 08:55:48 AM
 
2014-04-17 09:19:47 AM
You guys are dedicating way too much effort for something that would have gotten an F if it were submitted as a high school paper.
 
2014-04-17 09:25:20 AM

Diogenes: You guys are dedicating way too much effort for something that would have gotten an F if it were submitted as a high school paper.


It would only get an F because they aren't allowed to assign Qs
 
2014-04-17 09:31:05 AM

Diogenes: You guys are dedicating way too much effort for something that would have gotten an F if it were submitted as a high school paper.


lol the internet
 
2014-04-17 09:38:28 AM

Diogenes: You guys are dedicating way too much effort for something that would have gotten an F if it were submitted as a high school paper.


I suspect it would get an A- at the University of North Carolina.

/applicable only if the author is a football/basketball star
 
2014-04-17 09:39:43 AM
ManateeGag & Jackson Herring:  Haha...it wasn't my original intention but that might serve as some good troll bait for someone to seize on and claim "COMMON CORE!  INDOCTRINATION!"
 
2014-04-17 09:55:18 AM

hubiestubert: We tried that. Under the Articles of Confederation, states DID have official state religions.

It got a lot of folks run out their homes, and it got some folks killed.

So, yeah, let's try that again, because if worked out so well...

 
2014-04-17 09:57:45 AM
Sweet! Looking forward to establishing Michigan as a Sharia state!
 
2014-04-17 10:03:31 AM
Can someone please educate these "states rights" morans once and for all to the details of the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States of America?
 
2014-04-17 10:04:01 AM
I do like the fact that the right isn't even trying to hide the fact that one of their core platforms is to repeal any changes brought about by the Civil War or New Deal.

Honesty is refreshing in politics.
 
2014-04-17 10:04:43 AM

Lord_Baull: Can someone please educate these "states rights" morans once and for all to the details of the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States of America?


We literally shot a bunch of them over it in the 1860s, and had a nice showdown (though not as widespread or violent) over it in the 1960s. If they haven't gotten the picture by now, they won't.
 
2014-04-17 10:05:05 AM

King Something: And the Fourteenth Amendment makes the First apply to the States, not just the Federal government.


Took 3 to get there, but time to close the thread.
 
2014-04-17 10:05:12 AM
That is some highly concentrated, weapons grade derp.

"We are a religious society." Yes. The two biggest denominations are the Church of the Almighty Dollar and First Church of the NFL.
 
2014-04-17 10:05:16 AM
Hmm, state vs. state holy wars.. there's an idea whose time has come.. and gone..
 
2014-04-17 10:07:39 AM
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2014-04-17 10:09:33 AM

kronicfeld: Sweet! Looking forward to establishing Michigan as a Sharia state!


As a Michigander I'd love to see that happen! Oh, the amount of derp that would flow ....

/Then I'd have to move out, still ...
 
2014-04-17 10:09:50 AM

hubiestubert: We tried that. Under the Articles of Confederation, states DID have official state religions.

It got a lot of folks run out their homes, and it got some folks killed.

So, yeah, let's try that again, because if worked out so well...


Guns, I need more guns. Guess I'm going to have to talk to my drug dealing uncle and see if he know somebody who can sell me a machine gun.
 
2014-04-17 10:10:27 AM

Diogenes: You guys are dedicating way too much effort for something that would have gotten an F if it were submitted as a high school paper.


Huh? In Kansas that is an A++ paper.
 
2014-04-17 10:12:12 AM

King Something: And the Fourteenth Amendment makes the First apply to the States, not just the Federal government.


I thought the 14th was the one that prohibited counting votes as it is a violation of a presidential candidate's rights.
 
2014-04-17 10:12:17 AM
The most glaringly obvious example of how we were formed as a Christian Nation is the inclusion of the Ten Commandments in the Declaration of Independence.
 
2014-04-17 10:14:13 AM

salvador.hardin: King Something: And the Fourteenth Amendment makes the First apply to the States, not just the Federal government.

I thought the 14th was the one that prohibited counting votes as it is a violation of a presidential candidate's rights.



No you're thinking of the 18th. The 14th was the one that said you could impeach if you found a presidential candidate's birth certificate was photoshopped.
 
2014-04-17 10:16:22 AM
Yes, but it now generally held that the 14th amendment made the bill of rights binding on the states. This is super old news.
 
2014-04-17 10:17:16 AM

Diogenes: You guys are dedicating way too much effort for something that would have gotten an F if it were submitted as a high school paper.


Clearly you were never on the football team.  That's worth a solid B at least
 
2014-04-17 10:17:20 AM
I've always wondered what people think the Federal Government and the Constitution is for if federal laws don't actually apply to any citizens.
 
2014-04-17 10:17:25 AM
This means that states can forbid any kind of speech or writing they don't like, too; they can also forbid peaceable demonstrations.  Great!

/dnrtfa
 
2014-04-17 10:17:37 AM

qorkfiend: Lord_Baull: Can someone please educate these "states rights" morans once and for all to the details of the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States of America?

We literally shot a bunch of them over it in the 1860s, and had a nice showdown (though not as widespread or violent) over it in the 1960s. If they haven't gotten the picture by now, they won't.



You could argue the famous court cases of the 1920s and 1970s as well.
 
2014-04-17 10:17:54 AM

kronicfeld: Sweet! Looking forward to establishing Michigan as a Sharia state!

 
2014-04-17 10:18:16 AM
The Declaration of Independence -- our founding document -- has four references to deity (Creator, nature's God, Supreme Judge of the world, Divine Providence) which collectively make clear that our Founders saw God as the mighty author of our existence and the moral authority for our laws.

It wasn't, and it was written by a deist.
 
2014-04-17 10:19:03 AM
Did anyone play the 14th card yet?
sohmagic.com

... also these:
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2014-04-17 10:20:07 AM
We get it. You hate gay people and use God as a justification for your hate and discrimination.
 
2014-04-17 10:20:23 AM

kronicfeld: Sweet! Looking forward to establishing Michigan as a Sharia state!


Have you been washing your feet in the sink again?
 
2014-04-17 10:22:31 AM
 Our government makes no religious test of civic officials but nevertheless requires moral behavior of them, using moral standards arising from religious traditions, especially the Ten  FOUR Commandments of Judeo-Christianity which became the basis of English -- and hence American -- civil law. God and nation are one.

FTFY, assholes.

There may be random Blue Laws, and there might be laws about public profanity, but for the most part, the only commandments that were made into laws are the ones about stealing, murdering, lying and coveting thy neighbor's wife. Even adultery laws are almost gone. Get your God based commandments out, and it boils down to COMMONS SENSE SHIAT that any society would pass.

For example, even isolated tribes of people usually have laws against murder...
 
2014-04-17 10:22:57 AM

TheWhoppah: Did anyone play the 14th card yet?
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... also these:
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You missed the most important one:

dealbreaker.com
 
2014-04-17 10:25:16 AM

kronicfeld: Sweet! Looking forward to establishing Michigan as a Sharia state!


Let me know when a state establishes it's official religion as "God of Tits and Wine" and I will move there.  The "Welcome to..." border signs will be so Tyrion-esque.
 
2014-04-17 10:26:12 AM
Just another romp into the world of Right Wing radio.

"Hi, you've joined us on Freedom Talk. Tell us what's on your mind caller."

"Well, I am a teacher in the Alabama public school system and I found out that one of my students is a Jew and another is a Muslim. Now I told this fact to my priest and he informed me it's my duty as a Christian to continually give them religious pamphlets and preach to them daily about how their religions are wrong until they give up their heathen beliefs and embrace Jesus, now that I have done this the damn ACLU has filed a civil rights lawsuit against me for *no reason*. Now I tell you, why are they telling me I don't have the right to be a good and upstanding Christian in my school? Why can't I have the freedom of religion that's shown in the Constitution?"
 
2014-04-17 10:26:40 AM
Perfectly correct.  Right up until the First Amendment was incorporated against the states in 1947.
 
2014-04-17 10:28:56 AM

Rann Xerox: kronicfeld: Sweet! Looking forward to establishing Michigan as a Sharia state!

Let me know when a state establishes it's official religion as "God of Tits and Wine" and I will move there.  The "Welcome to..." border signs will be so Tyrion-esque.


We need more temples dedicated to Bacchus.
 
2014-04-17 10:29:17 AM

Lord_Baull: Can someone please educate these "states rights" morans once and for all to the details of the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States of America?


No. These types are completely uneducatable. All you can do is point and laugh and ensure they don't get too much support.
 
2014-04-17 10:29:19 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Diogenes: You guys are dedicating way too much effort for something that would have gotten an F if it were submitted as a high school paper.

Clearly you were never on the football team.  That's worth a solid B at least


Everything is different, but the same... things are more moderner than before... bigger, and yet smaller... it's computers...

SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!
 
2014-04-17 10:29:26 AM

Lord_Baull: salvador.hardin: King Something: And the Fourteenth Amendment makes the First apply to the States, not just the Federal government.

I thought the 14th was the one that prohibited counting votes as it is a violation of a presidential candidate's rights.


No you're thinking of the 18th. The 14th was the one that said you could impeach if you found a presidential candidate's birth certificate was photoshopped.


To be fair, if it really WERE faked, I would have no problem with the office holder being impeached... Of course, this one hasn't been faked, but while we joke about the Birthers, if there really was a scam pulled by a public official, I would not oppose said official being removed from office.
 
2014-04-17 10:29:54 AM

Mikey1969: Our government makes no religious test of civic officials but nevertheless requires moral behavior of them, using moral standards arising from religious traditions, especially the Ten  FOUR Commandments of Judeo-Christianity which became the basis of English -- and hence American -- civil law. God and nation are one.

FTFY, assholes.

There may be random Blue Laws, and there might be laws about public profanity, but for the most part, the only commandments that were made into laws are the ones about stealing, murdering, lying and coveting thy neighbor's wife. Even adultery laws are almost gone. Get your God based commandments out, and it boils down to COMMONS SENSE SHIAT that any society would pass.

For example, even isolated tribes of people usually have laws against murder...


Not to mention the fact that English law was based on Roman law which had pretty much not a damn thing to do with Christianity and/or the ten commandments.
 
2014-04-17 10:30:39 AM

King Something: And the Fourteenth Amendment makes the First apply to the States, not just the Federal government.


Unless I'm mistaken, we're done here.
 
2014-04-17 10:30:57 AM
Our government makes no religious test of civic officials but nevertheless requires moral behavior of them, using moral standards arising from religious traditions, especially the Ten Commandments of Judeo-Christianity

That list that specifically bans adultery and not gayness, gay marriage or gay sex? That list that says "Do not bear false witness" but says nothing about universal health care? That list that specifically forbids using "graven images" in your worship, but says nothing about keffiyehs, prayer-rugs, or burqsa?

I'm thinking the GOP should stay away from using this as a governing document, and stick with the narrowly-read and even-more-narrowly-interpreted version of the KJV that was left in a Confederate church 150 years ago they've apparently been using. That one seems to have everything they want, without any awkwardness like "feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless" hippy-dippy nonsense.
 
2014-04-17 10:31:48 AM

Wellon Dowd: The Declaration of Independence -- our founding document -- has four references to deity (Creator, nature's God, Supreme Judge of the world, Divine Providence) which collectively make clear that our Founders saw God as the mighty author of our existence and the moral authority for our laws.

It wasn't, and it was written by a deist.


The Declaration of Independence was a press release.
 
2014-04-17 10:32:15 AM
I got Thunked!

Really need to look at the link source.
 
2014-04-17 10:35:10 AM
Wait till they learn that the 14th Amendment also means other provisions of the bill of rights apply against the states.

/fark you Thomas.
 
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