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2014-04-17 01:45:45 PM  

Loaf's Tray: That "Condom Style" guy?  God I hope he's OK...


I hope he's trapped in the bilge, in an air pocket.  A slow death, for that shiat he put out.
 
2014-04-17 01:47:56 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Cold_Sassy: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

Chesley Sullenberger is a man among men.  Unfortunately the ratio is about a million to one.

I'll just add that it's a little bit easier to search the occupied areas of a 747 than it is to search a ferry boat that is laying on its side. The captain may or may not be a cowardly dick - that remains to be seen. But that won't change the fact that it was in no way possible for him to search that entire boat.


It may be impossible for one man to search the entire ship, but he should have been on board until relieved by the Coast Guard or military, the last survivor has been pulled off the ship, or the ship sank out from under him.  He had to know that there were rescue vessels headed his way.  Someone was going to take charge of the rescue from the safety of another ship, a military captain or admiral or something.  He was in charge of his ship.

I'm not saying he should have stayed aboard the locked bridge until he died, but he shouldn't have been in lifeboat #1 while teenagers are trapped, because of his orders, below deck.

/Whatever happened to men like the Captain of the Flying Enterprise?
//Maybe we need to clone him a few times.
 
2014-04-17 01:47:58 PM  
Who was on first.
 
2014-04-17 01:48:25 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Russ1642: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Russ1642: In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

 Y'know, the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn't seem to be livin' until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and in spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and rip ya to pieces. You know, by the end of that first dawn, we lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I don't know how many men. They averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us. He was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know, that was the time I was most frightened - waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

Please learn to use the quote feature properly.

Please learn to shut your piehole.


Now you've got the hang of it! Good for you.
 
2014-04-17 01:59:19 PM  
Somali pirates?
 
2014-04-17 01:59:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Anne Frank?


Don't be silly. Blind and deaf people can't find the exits.
 
2014-04-17 02:07:55 PM  

Valiente: Marcus Aurelius: Anne Frank?

Don't be silly. Blind and deaf people can't find the exits.


She'll bravely go down with the ship, not knowing what the fark is happening.  A true hero of the 21st century!
 
2014-04-17 02:09:23 PM  
i was going to say something witty, but just had a brain freeze, sorry
 
2014-04-17 02:10:24 PM  

Jument: Why would anyone stay in a room when a ship is sinking? You obviously want to be on deck. Best case you get in a lifeboat, worse case you jump off. Either way you have a shot. Below decks there is no best case unless you want to reenact The Poseidon Adventure.


1) The crew reassures you that it isn't really sinking, they will fix it. The lifejackets are just a precaution and if it is going to sink they will warn you in plenty of time.

2) The crew actively try and keep people off decks to keep them clear while they try and save the ship.

3) It is highly unlikely that the full complement of passengers could fit on deck.

Then the crew fails, the evacuation order never arrives and before everyone starts questioning it is too late.
 
2014-04-17 02:21:40 PM  
Witness: Lee Joon-seok was the Captain. But he couldn't handle it.
Prosecutor: Buddy couldn't handle it? Was Buddy one of the crew?
Witness: Right. Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Lee who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Prosecutor: *Andy* went to pieces?
Witness: No. Andy was the navigator. He was all right. Buddy went to pieces. It was awful how he came unglued.
Prosecutor: *Howie* came unglued?
Witness: Oh, no. Howie was a rock, the best tailgunner in the outfit. Buddy came unglued.
Prosecutor: And he bailed out?
Witness: No. Andy hung tough. Buddy bailed out. How he survived, it was a miracle.
Prosecutor: Then Howie survived?
Witness: No, 'fraid not. We lost Howie the next day.
 
2014-04-17 02:22:28 PM  

Valiente: Marcus Aurelius: Anne Frank?

Don't be silly. Blind and deaf people can't find the exits.


But we aren't talking about blind and deaf people. We are talking about blind and deaf zombies.
 
2014-04-17 02:36:07 PM  
The Lusitania?

/ conspiracy!
 
2014-04-17 02:37:02 PM  

Joelogon: Francesco Schettino?


Nice
 
2014-04-17 02:56:16 PM  
"Maritime police are still working under the assumption that some survived. A coast guard spokesperson says divers (there are more than 500 on the scene) intend to pump oxygen into the ferry."

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 03:14:40 PM  
isunkyourbattleship.com
 
2014-04-17 03:41:34 PM  

RedfordRenegade: I wonder how many of the crew could work the Davits system to actually, you know, launch the lifeboats?
If they were the SOLAS capsules they should have deployed and inflated automatically when the boat submerged to a given depth.  Not sure if Korea participates in Solas convention.

If the order was given for passengers to don lifejackets while still inside the ship, that's bad news as the buoyancy of the jackets would keep people from being able to leave compartments if the ship fills with water.
Considering the order that was given.

I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....


And a Ferry boat captain?  That's the kind of job that breeds hubris and complacency.  Oh sure it's an important job, but it ain't glamorous and it probably doesn't have any opportunity for advancement.  Jobs with dull reputations like that (deserved or not) are breeding grounds for the mildew and mold of an apathetic crew.
 
2014-04-17 03:54:29 PM  
img.fark.net

Captain Sternn?  ... or are we done guessing now?
 
2014-04-17 04:38:26 PM  
It's not like he's a real captain and a graduate of some maritime academy.
 
2014-04-17 04:39:39 PM  

JohnBigBootay: But that won't change the fact that it was in no way possible for him to search that entire boat.


My personal standard would be 'Every lifeboat deployed, every non-submerged compartment checked by the crew, said crew is now in the lifeboats, and there's still an open spot'
 
2014-04-17 04:41:20 PM  

qorkfiend: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Yeah, no. A captain abandoning a sinking ship in order to secure his personal safety before seeing to the safety of his passengers and crew is an act of supreme cowardice.


This. It takes a third-world mentality to not see that. Basically a soccer fan will flee without allowing others to do so.
 
2014-04-17 05:18:24 PM  

Nemo's Brother: This. It takes a third-world mentality to not see that.


third-world what now?

Cap'n Mahendra Nath Mulla, from beyond, might beg to differ.
 
2014-04-17 07:01:46 PM  
larrybrownsports.com
 
2014-04-17 07:47:48 PM  

Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.


Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.
 
2014-04-17 08:28:49 PM  

Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.


Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?
 
2014-04-17 08:44:52 PM  

CJHardin: Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.

Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?


Public transportation is wonderful.  But how often do people wear seatbelts?  20% of people overall, 5% when in the backseats according to this, which is actually  higher than I expected to find.  Most cabs cover the back seats in a mat that prevents you from even getting to them.  The younger generation may call for greater safety, but the older generation has found great success in cutting corners to get things done quickly and they are almost uniformly the decision makers. Of course it depends highly on where you lived.  I work mostly with Jeolla, which outside of the cities tends to be quite poor/rural.
 
2014-04-17 09:15:42 PM  

Mytch: CJHardin: Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.

Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?

Public transportation is wonderful.  But how often do people wear seatbelts?  20% of people overall, 5% when in the backseats according to this, which is actually  higher than I expected to find.  Most cabs cover the back seats in a mat that prevents you from even getting to them.  The younger generation may call for greater safety, but the older generation has found great success in cutting corners to ...


Ahh, I see what you are going at.  I lived in Pyongtaek and Seoul, so much less rural areas.  The reason that I'm saying that I'm pretty sure there were not many cut corners on that boat was because it is heavily regulated by the S. Korean govt, specifically the tourism part.  I've actually traveled on that very boat twice. That is what struck me as the most surprising is that this even happened.  I had high confidence in their mass transit.  I used to vacation in the Jindo area and Yongpo, so I know what you mean about the poorer, more rural areas.

I specifically was amazed by the "one eyed donkeys", the crazy farm tractor/road bike/tiller/water pump/delivery vehicle..........it definitely was function before form.

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2014-04-17 09:26:15 PM  

CJHardin: Ahh, I see what you are going at.  I lived in Pyongtaek and Seoul, so much less rural areas.  The reason that I'm saying that I'm pretty sure there were not many cut corners on that boat was because it is heavily regulated by the S. Korean govt, specifically the tourism part.  I've actually traveled on that very boat twice. That is what struck me as the most surprising is that this even happened.  I had high confidence in their mass transit.  I used to vacation in the Jindo area and Yongpo, so I know what you mean about the poorer, more rural areas.

I specifically was amazed by the "one eyed donkeys", the crazy farm tractor/road bike/tiller/water pump/delivery vehicle..........it definitely was function before form.


While I was teaching there, there was a grandfather who would ride one of those to the school to pick up his granddaughters.  Brings back some memories!  As for the ship sinking, personally, I was surprised to.  I've never traveled that ship, but I'd taken the Queen Mary out of Mokpo several times and loved it. In fact, several months ago I had arranged for a colleague who is travelling through the area on business next month to take that route (though they seem to have either replaced the Queen Mary or it's not available during that time, which I felt a bit sad about). How long is the trip from Incheon to Jeju?
 
2014-04-17 09:36:56 PM  

Mytch: CJHardin: Ahh, I see what you are going at.  I lived in Pyongtaek and Seoul, so much less rural areas.  The reason that I'm saying that I'm pretty sure there were not many cut corners on that boat was because it is heavily regulated by the S. Korean govt, specifically the tourism part.  I've actually traveled on that very boat twice. That is what struck me as the most surprising is that this even happened.  I had high confidence in their mass transit.  I used to vacation in the Jindo area and Yongpo, so I know what you mean about the poorer, more rural areas.

I specifically was amazed by the "one eyed donkeys", the crazy farm tractor/road bike/tiller/water pump/delivery vehicle..........it definitely was function before form.

While I was teaching there, there was a grandfather who would ride one of those to the school to pick up his granddaughters.  Brings back some memories!  As for the ship sinking, personally, I was surprised to.  I've never traveled that ship, but I'd taken the Queen Mary out of Mokpo several times and loved it. In fact, several months ago I had arranged for a colleague who is travelling through the area on business next month to take that route (though they seem to have either replaced the Queen Mary or it's not available during that time, which I felt a bit sad about). How long is the trip from Incheon to Jeju?


So, conspiracy theory time?  The Norks got some sleeper agents to sabotage the boat and the evacuation in order to cast the South Korean government's regulatory abilities into question!
 
2014-04-17 10:12:23 PM  

Mytch: CJHardin: Ahh, I see what you are going at.  I lived in Pyongtaek and Seoul, so much less rural areas.  The reason that I'm saying that I'm pretty sure there were not many cut corners on that boat was because it is heavily regulated by the S. Korean govt, specifically the tourism part.  I've actually traveled on that very boat twice. That is what struck me as the most surprising is that this even happened.  I had high confidence in their mass transit.  I used to vacation in the Jindo area and Yongpo, so I know what you mean about the poorer, more rural areas.

I specifically was amazed by the "one eyed donkeys", the crazy farm tractor/road bike/tiller/water pump/delivery vehicle..........it definitely was function before form.

While I was teaching there, there was a grandfather who would ride one of those to the school to pick up his granddaughters.  Brings back some memories!  As for the ship sinking, personally, I was surprised to.  I've never traveled that ship, but I'd taken the Queen Mary out of Mokpo several times and loved it. In fact, several months ago I had arranged for a colleague who is travelling through the area on business next month to take that route (though they seem to have either replaced the Queen Mary or it's not available during that time, which I felt a bit sad about). How long is the trip from Incheon to Jeju?


It's an eight hour trip, give or take.  Not sure if it's going to be happening for a while though.
 
2014-04-17 11:56:55 PM  
Captain Chickenshiat?
 
2014-04-18 12:54:28 AM  

Surly U. Jest: [i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]


That's the first thing I thought of.

Sirlan: [img.fark.net image 590x331]

Captain Sternn?  ... or are we done guessing now?



You both get up-votes!
 
2014-04-18 12:03:28 PM  

CJHardin: Mytch: CJHardin: Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.

Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?

Public transportation is wonderful.  But how often do people wear seatbelts?  20% of people overall, 5% when in the backseats according to this, which is actually  higher than I expected to find.  Most cabs cover the back seats in a mat that prevents you from even getting to them.  The younger generation may call for greater safety, but the older generation has found great success in cutting corn ...


Never been to Korea, but they quoted that one officer as saying there'd never been a safety drill during his time on board...
 
2014-04-18 12:07:59 PM  

PunGent: CJHardin: Mytch: CJHardin: Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.

Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?

Public transportation is wonderful.  But how often do people wear seatbelts?  20% of people overall, 5% when in the backseats according to this, which is actually  higher than I expected to find.  Most cabs cover the back seats in a mat that prevents you from even getting to them.  The younger generation may call for greater safety, but the older generation has found great success in cu ...


Damn, that's......that's just strange.
 
2014-04-18 03:32:11 PM  
Well, the Captain's been arrested pending charges, and the Vice Principle that was there with the students and was rescued committed suicide.
 
2014-04-18 03:39:15 PM  

Firethorn: Well, the Captain's been arrested pending charges, and the Vice Principle that was there with the students and was rescued committed suicide.


On principal, I take it... ;^)
 
2014-04-18 05:55:34 PM  
I accidentally read that link as "Only one lifeboat was deployed to the sinking ferry in South Korea" and I thought "How did Francesco Schettino (the captain of the Costa Concordia) manage to get another boat? And what are the chances of that happening, so he could botch a rescue?".  But the actual headline is worse.

It seems that captains do not have regular mandatory training for crisis situations and evacuation procedures. It apparently is voluntary, and I suspect a captain would need to use some of his vacation time to actually go through that training. Ergo, it would never be done. Airline pilots have regular mandatory training in how to handle bad situations - that's why they are able to handle it. People need training/practice to act correctly in complicated situations where a wrong decision could cost lives. You can't just wing it and hope for the best, it is too complicated and stressful and most people will either mess up or crumble completely. That's what happened with Francesco Schettino , that's what seems to be the case here, and that's what will continue to happen. Every. Single. Time.
 
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