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2014-04-17 12:16:59 PM  
I wonder how many of the crew could work the Davits system to actually, you know, launch the lifeboats?
If they were the SOLAS capsules they should have deployed and inflated automatically when the boat submerged to a given depth.  Not sure if Korea participates in Solas convention.

If the order was given for passengers to don lifejackets while still inside the ship, that's bad news as the buoyancy of the jackets would keep people from being able to leave compartments if the ship fills with water.
Considering the order that was given.

I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....
 
2014-04-17 12:18:58 PM  
The Aristocrats?
 
2014-04-17 12:18:59 PM  
Will he be buried at sea?
 
2014-04-17 12:19:34 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.


We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.
 
2014-04-17 12:20:11 PM  
Elvis?
 
2014-04-17 12:20:56 PM  

Cold_Sassy: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

Chesley Sullenberger is a man among men.  Unfortunately the ratio is about a million to one.


speaking as one of the million, i fully agree with you.  and, he's so damn humble.
 
2014-04-17 12:21:23 PM  

LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


Yeah, that's pretty much what Schettino claims he was doing after he fell into a lifeboat.

The captain's place is on his bridge, not below decks and not in a lifeboat.
 
2014-04-17 12:21:29 PM  

Tigger: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.

We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.


Aoparently there's been a moratorium on the death penalty in Korea since 1998. Wouldn't surprise me if they reset the "days without an execution" sign for this guy.
 
2014-04-17 12:22:04 PM  
Well, Sonja Henie is out.
 
2014-04-17 12:22:43 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 12:23:12 PM  

Tigger: We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.


Hell, an even better question is:
The ship didn't sink until a few hours after the first distress call.  Even if he didn't call for an evacuation, if they were taking on water, why the fark didn't he have all the passengers to on deck?
 
2014-04-17 12:23:33 PM  

Russ1642: Tigger: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.

We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.

Aoparently there's been a moratorium on the death penalty in Korea since 1998. Wouldn't surprise me if they reset the "days without an execution" sign for this guy.


ostracised and shamed into suicide is more likely given the way the culture works.
 
2014-04-17 12:23:41 PM  
Carmen Sandiego?
 
2014-04-17 12:24:27 PM  

LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.



I marked this one as "Funny" but not as "Smart"... for obvious reasons.
 
2014-04-17 12:24:33 PM  
Why would anyone stay in a room when a ship is sinking? You obviously want to be on deck. Best case you get in a lifeboat, worse case you jump off. Either way you have a shot. Below decks there is no best case unless you want to reenact The Poseidon Adventure.
 
2014-04-17 12:30:37 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Celine Dion?


We can only hope...
 
2014-04-17 12:31:09 PM  
Amelia Earhart?
 
2014-04-17 12:32:11 PM  

Tigger: Russ1642: Tigger: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.

We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.

Aoparently there's been a moratorium on the death penalty in Korea since 1998. Wouldn't surprise me if they reset the "days without an execution" sign for this guy.

ostracised and shamed into suicide is more likely given the way the culture works.


Left in a room alone and given a gun and one bullet.
 
2014-04-17 12:33:21 PM  

Cold_Sassy: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

Chesley Sullenberger is a man among men.  Unfortunately the ratio is about a million to one.


I'll just add that it's a little bit easier to search the occupied areas of a 747 than it is to search a ferry boat that is laying on its side. The captain may or may not be a cowardly dick - that remains to be seen. But that won't change the fact that it was in no way possible for him to search that entire boat.
 
2014-04-17 12:34:19 PM  
It'll be interesting to see how South Korea deals with a coward like this versus the Italians...
 
2014-04-17 12:36:20 PM  

Russ1642: In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


 Y'know, the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn't seem to be livin' until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and in spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and rip ya to pieces. You know, by the end of that first dawn, we lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I don't know how many men. They averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us. He was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know, that was the time I was most frightened - waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.
 
2014-04-17 12:36:29 PM  
RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.
 
2014-04-17 12:36:34 PM  

mrsirjojo: It'll be interesting to see how South Korea deals with a coward like this versus the Italians...


I was convinced Schettino would be in an oubliette by now.
 
2014-04-17 12:37:06 PM  
Tallulah Bankhead & William Bendix.
 
2014-04-17 12:37:26 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Russ1642: In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

 Y'know, the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn't seem to be livin' until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and in spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and rip ya to pieces. You know, by the end of that first dawn, we lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I don't know how many men. They averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us. He was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know, that was the time I was most frightened - waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.


Please learn to use the quote feature properly.
 
2014-04-17 12:41:14 PM  
Rich "El Guapo" Garces?

/that's Spanish for "the Guapo"
 
2014-04-17 12:43:34 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 12:44:02 PM  
Mom?
 
2014-04-17 12:45:32 PM  

cefm: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 300x250]


Aw c'mon!  Where's the NSFL tag?!

/Life
 
2014-04-17 12:48:38 PM  

Russ1642: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Russ1642: In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

 Y'know, the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn't seem to be livin' until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and in spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and rip ya to pieces. You know, by the end of that first dawn, we lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I don't know how many men. They averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us. He was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know, that was the time I was most frightened - waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

Please learn to use the quote feature properly.


Please learn to shut your piehole.
 
2014-04-17 12:49:00 PM  
Kilroy?
 
2014-04-17 12:52:34 PM  

Jument: Why would anyone stay in a room when a ship is sinking? You obviously want to be on deck. Best case you get in a lifeboat, worse case you jump off. Either way you have a shot. Below decks there is no best case unless you want to reenact The Poseidon Adventure.


I call dibs on being Ernest Borgnine!
 
2014-04-17 12:55:11 PM  
Chief?
 
2014-04-17 12:56:24 PM  

robertus: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x297]


You guessed it.
 
2014-04-17 12:59:09 PM  
American Woman?
 
2014-04-17 01:03:38 PM  
i536.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-17 01:06:15 PM  
The secret love child of Margaret Cho and Psy?
 
2014-04-17 01:07:00 PM  

Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.


He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.
 
2014-04-17 01:12:40 PM  
img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-17 01:15:30 PM  

nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!


You've never been to Asia, have you?

"Oh, no, please, after you, go ahead" doesn't exist.
 
2014-04-17 01:17:11 PM  
d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2014-04-17 01:18:44 PM  
Marko Ramius?
 
2014-04-17 01:19:57 PM  

qorkfiend: LineNoise:   In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Yeah, no. A captain abandoning a sinking ship in order to secure his personal safety before seeing to the safety of his passengers and crew is an act of supreme cowardice.


He felt that he could better direct the rescue effort from the vantage point of dry land. The perspective and
'big picture' were necessary to do the job correctly.  Would have worked too, if only one of those dead people hadn't done something to throw a wrench in his cleverly constructed plan.
 
2014-04-17 01:21:43 PM  
So all of the crew except for 1 survived and the captain was first in the lifeboat.

Starting to sound very similar to the Concordia off of Italy or the Oceanos sinking off of South Africa.
 
2014-04-17 01:24:54 PM  
Noah?
 
2014-04-17 01:29:00 PM  
I see the person I have favored as a "Republican Drone" is the one person running around trying to make excuses for the captain, no surprise there.
 
2014-04-17 01:35:31 PM  

nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.   When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!


He walked through the plane twice, as it was filling with water, to make sure, because that's what the captain is suppose to do.  Captains are not expected to go down with the ship anymore, but, to give it their best effort to get everybody off, and leave only when there is no further hope.  And definitely not take a space on the lifeboat that somebody else could have used.
 
2014-04-17 01:35:58 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: BSABSVR: Survivorman and Sasquatch?

OMFG I damn near sent the discovery channel some harshly worded letters after seeing that
/Not UN harshly either


I know I, as well as many others, let Les know on Facebook that the episodes were shiat.
 
2014-04-17 01:38:42 PM  

studebaker hoch: [www.florencedailynews.com image 640x360]

WASAAAAAAP!!!!


"Hold my broad and watch this!"
 
2014-04-17 01:40:15 PM  
Well, I'm usually the last person to get off. In fact, I have to be told to get off. Lots of women, in fact, are very solicitous about it. "Just where," they ask, "do you get off?"

But I wasn't there. It must have been someone else.
 
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