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(Newser)   Only one lifeboat was deployed from sinking ferry in South Korea. Guess who was aboard   (newser.com) divider line 186
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2014-04-17 10:17:24 AM
The copilot of MH370
 
2014-04-17 10:21:54 AM
Kim Jong-un?
 
2014-04-17 10:25:15 AM
Francesco Schettino?
 
2014-04-17 10:28:55 AM
The head of White Star Lines?
 
2014-04-17 10:35:43 AM
Anne Frank?
 
2014-04-17 10:39:57 AM
Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!
 
2014-04-17 10:40:31 AM
People who have never been in my kitchen?
 
2014-04-17 10:41:46 AM
He's gonna be in deep kimchi now.
 
2014-04-17 10:47:29 AM
Was it Caledon Hockley?
 
2014-04-17 10:48:45 AM
If they happen to see a Boeing 777 out there in the water, I know a few people who might be interested in that information.
 
2014-04-17 11:00:53 AM
Rico Palazzo?
 
2014-04-17 11:02:38 AM
Nancy Drew?
 
2014-04-17 11:04:10 AM
But he did offer a most sincere apology

/so we're all good, right?
 
2014-04-17 11:08:55 AM
Natalie Wood?
 
2014-04-17 11:30:33 AM
Does Worst Korea have unions that will go to bat and save his job?
 
2014-04-17 11:30:50 AM
Psy?
 
2014-04-17 11:31:01 AM
General Fransisco Franco?
 
2014-04-17 11:31:03 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-17 11:31:18 AM
Leonardo Di Caprio?
 
2014-04-17 11:31:53 AM
Obama?
 
2014-04-17 11:32:58 AM
Tennille?
 
2014-04-17 11:33:04 AM
nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.
 
2014-04-17 11:33:23 AM
Omarion?
 
2014-04-17 11:33:33 AM
i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-04-17 11:33:38 AM
The most interesting man in the world?
 
2014-04-17 11:33:40 AM
Survivorman and Sasquatch?
 
2014-04-17 11:34:50 AM
D. B. Cooper?
 
2014-04-17 11:34:51 AM

LineNoise: n other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


..but enough about the LA Kings
 
2014-04-17 11:34:55 AM
Molly Brown?
 
2014-04-17 11:35:13 AM
Dominican prostitutes sailing for Limbaugh's house?
 
2014-04-17 11:36:38 AM
The guy who fixed the cable?
 
2014-04-17 11:36:47 AM

nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!


Chesley Sullenberger is a man among men.  Unfortunately the ratio is about a million to one.
 
2014-04-17 11:37:10 AM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-17 11:37:14 AM
Schadenfreude?
 
2014-04-17 11:37:20 AM
One of the survivors?

/the ship's listing to the right, have everyone stand on the left side until I can release my escape pod.
 
2014-04-17 11:37:34 AM

LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


Yeah, no. A captain abandoning a sinking ship in order to secure his personal safety before seeing to the safety of his passengers and crew is an act of supreme cowardice.
 
2014-04-17 11:37:40 AM
Tom Hanks and a volleyball?
 
2014-04-17 11:37:42 AM
Heh...life imitates yesterday's Fark headline?

/is willing to wait for more evidence, but this sure SOUNDS bad
 
2014-04-17 11:38:09 AM
www.florencedailynews.com

WASAAAAAAP!!!!
 
2014-04-17 11:38:09 AM
So the Captain didn't want to go down on the fairy? Get out of the way, I'll do it.
 
Skr
2014-04-17 11:38:15 AM
Ken Watanabe?
 
2014-04-17 11:38:15 AM

LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


Maybe so, but it seems to me that if he was able to get his own lifeboat deployed, he should have managed more with it. Looks pretty bad for the captain to be in the *only* lifeboat deployed.
 
2014-04-17 11:38:26 AM
A big jar of kimchi?
 
2014-04-17 11:38:45 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: General Fransisco Franco?


Couldn't be, he's still dead.
 
2014-04-17 11:40:06 AM
Captain Picard?

www.letswatchstartrek.com

/"Captain's personal log, supplemental. I have just witnessed the total destruction of the USS Enterprise, with the loss of all hands, save one - Me."
 
2014-04-17 11:40:55 AM
Amelia Earhart?
 
2014-04-17 11:41:02 AM
Three people who have never been in my kitchen?
 
2014-04-17 11:41:13 AM
Buff Drinklots?
 
2014-04-17 11:41:27 AM
Amelia Earhart?
 
2014-04-17 11:41:27 AM
Gilligan?
 
2014-04-17 11:42:04 AM

Sajuuk Khar: Amelia Earhart?


Dammit!
 
2014-04-17 11:42:05 AM
Captain Stubing and Golpher?
 
2014-04-17 11:42:08 AM
Edward Smith?  No, wait.  He went down with his ship.
 
2014-04-17 11:42:37 AM
Captain: Do not rush for the lifeboats - remember, women and children first.
(A first officer is revealed in the comer of the bridge putting a head-dress on a Red Indian outfit.)

First Officer: And Red Indians!

Captain: (putting his hand over the PA) What did you have to get dressed up like that for?

First Officer: It was the only thing left.

Captain: Oh. All right. (into the PA) Women, children and Red Indians...
(Cut to another officer in astronaut's kit.)

Second Officer: And spacemen!

Captain: Here is a revised list. Women, children, Red Indians and spacemen, (hand over PA) what's that meant to be?
(Cut to third officer who is putting finishing touches to a medieval outfit.)

Third Officer: Well it's a sort of impression of what a kind of Renaissance courtier artist might have looked like at the court of one of the great families like the Medici or the Borgias...

Fourth Officer: No it's not, it's more Hemish than Italian.

Fifth Officer: Yes - that's a Flemish merchant of the fifteenth or sixteenth centuries...

Third Officer: What! With these tassels...
 
2014-04-17 11:42:45 AM

qorkfiend: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Yeah, no. A captain abandoning a sinking ship in order to secure his personal safety before seeing to the safety of his passengers and crew is an act of supreme cowardice.


Especially if it's true that he was in the lifeboat after only half an hour, which would mean it was during the time the passengers were still being told to stay in place.  The only reason some people made it out was because they ignored the orders from the crew, grabbed their own life jackets, and got of the boat.
 
2014-04-17 11:42:47 AM
www.895thedrive.com
 
2014-04-17 11:42:48 AM
Kenneth Lay?
 
2014-04-17 11:43:17 AM

Headso: Rico Palazzo?


If you're gonna follow a terrible meme after it's already past the point of being even a little funny, at least get the reference right. Now watch this clip in shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCpGCpHfaSs
 
2014-04-17 11:43:54 AM
Ishmael?
 
2014-04-17 11:44:04 AM
Your Mom?
 
2014-04-17 11:44:49 AM
Gene Masseth?
 
2014-04-17 11:44:55 AM
a guy named Eddie?
 
2014-04-17 11:45:14 AM
My lost socks?
 
2014-04-17 11:45:39 AM
Joseph Hazelwood?
 
2014-04-17 11:46:33 AM

BSABSVR: Survivorman and Sasquatch?


OMFG I damn near sent the discovery channel some harshly worded letters after seeing that
/Not UN harshly either
 
2014-04-17 11:47:06 AM
What's the over/under on how long before the captain's inevitable suicide?

I've got 50 Wampum on less than a week.
 
2014-04-17 11:47:31 AM

wearetheworld: Your Mom?


She always goes down with the seamen.
 
2014-04-17 11:47:32 AM
The tailor Mottel Kamzoil?
 
2014-04-17 11:48:39 AM

Private_Citizen: wearetheworld: Your Mom?

She always goes down with the seamen.


Keep that private citizen :)
 
2014-04-17 11:49:04 AM

LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.
 
2014-04-17 11:49:07 AM
A sort of idealized version of complete Renaissance Men?
 
2014-04-17 11:51:42 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Does Worst Korea have unions that will go to bat and save his job?


I don't think you understand how Unions work.
 
2014-04-17 11:52:18 AM
Admiral Jenkins?
 
2014-04-17 11:52:48 AM
You know, if North Korea was involved with this in some manner..........

mos.totalfilm.com
 
2014-04-17 11:54:35 AM
Amelia Earnhardt?
 
2014-04-17 11:57:25 AM
entire Denver Broncos team ?
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-17 11:57:39 AM
I can almost guarantee this guy will be committing suicide anytime now.
 
2014-04-17 11:59:44 AM
This guy?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-17 11:59:57 AM

Porous Horace: Gene Masseth?


That would be hilarious to see on a passenger manifest.
 
2014-04-17 12:00:46 PM
Weedlord Bonehitler?
 
2014-04-17 12:01:42 PM
Came for Francesco Schettino, leaving satisfied.  Keep up the good work Farkers.
 
2014-04-17 12:03:29 PM
A long proud tradition...

estb.msn.com
"I'm leaving.  The passengers can stay if they want."

i.telegraph.co.uk

"I tripped and fell into the lifeboat."

museumshop1.umwblogs.org

"It's my company and I own this lifeboat.
And I pay your salary.  Now start rowing."
 
2014-04-17 12:05:16 PM

qorkfiend: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Yeah, no. A captain abandoning a sinking ship in order to secure his personal safety before seeing to the safety of his passengers and crew is an act of supreme cowardice.


He'll live to talk about it though..
 
2014-04-17 12:07:18 PM
Captain Wi Sing Kin.
 
2014-04-17 12:07:26 PM

Joelogon: Francesco Schettino?


So, he *did* find another job!

// done here.
 
2014-04-17 12:08:02 PM

LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


While he was hopping into a lifeboat, the passengers were still being told to stay where they were.  He had 30 minutes from when he made the Mayday call to get them off.  He didn't.  Instead of being evacuated, he left them to die while he ran away like a piss-pantsed coward.

He can rot in Hell.
 
2014-04-17 12:08:03 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: /"Captain's personal log, supplemental. I have just witnessed the total destruction of the USS Enterprise, with the loss of all hands, save one - Me."


Again.
 
2014-04-17 12:08:12 PM
The 24th Michigan?
 
2014-04-17 12:10:42 PM
The initial orders issued over the PA system were for passengers to don a life jacket but remain in place rather than try to escape, which may have been a fatal mistake. A crew member explains to the AP that no immediate evacuation order was issued because officers were attempting to stabilize the vessel after it started to tilt. He says an evacuation order was given by the captain 30 minutes later, but he wasn't sure if it went out over the PA; some survivors say they never heard it. The delayed evacuation order also likely kept lifeboats from being deployed, the AP notes.

Well, there you have it.
 
2014-04-17 12:11:02 PM
The Dread Pirate Roberts?
 
2014-04-17 12:11:35 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 12:12:29 PM
Spartacus?
 
2014-04-17 12:12:42 PM

Serious Black: Kim Jong-un?


Yeah, that's the first thought that came to my mind, as well. Best Korea seems awfully quiet about the tragedy, yet passengers reported a "loud thump" immediately before the ship started listing, and NK is widely suspected of having torpedoed a SK ship in 2010. SK isn't saying anything yet, but you can take it to the bank that they will thoroughly investigate the cause of the hull breach. If explosive residue is found things could get ugly in a hurry.
 
2014-04-17 12:12:47 PM
Paging Dr. Benway, report to thread
 
2014-04-17 12:13:03 PM
Gordon Lightfoot?
 
2014-04-17 12:13:09 PM

p0nk: Ishmael?



Don't call me that.
 
2014-04-17 12:14:06 PM
That "Condom Style" guy?  God I hope he's OK...
 
2014-04-17 12:14:21 PM
If the answer was "women and children" then this wouldn't be on fark.
So that narrows it down a bit...
 
2014-04-17 12:15:13 PM

NEDM: While he was hopping into a lifeboat, the passengers were still being told to stay where they were.  He had 30 minutes from when he made the Mayday call to get them off.  He didn't.  Instead of being evacuated, he left them to die while he ran away like a piss-pantsed coward.

He can rot in Hell swing like Sadam.


Fixed...we're talking Korea after all.
 
2014-04-17 12:16:49 PM
Celine Dion?
 
2014-04-17 12:16:59 PM
I wonder how many of the crew could work the Davits system to actually, you know, launch the lifeboats?
If they were the SOLAS capsules they should have deployed and inflated automatically when the boat submerged to a given depth.  Not sure if Korea participates in Solas convention.

If the order was given for passengers to don lifejackets while still inside the ship, that's bad news as the buoyancy of the jackets would keep people from being able to leave compartments if the ship fills with water.
Considering the order that was given.

I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....
 
2014-04-17 12:18:58 PM
The Aristocrats?
 
2014-04-17 12:18:59 PM
Will he be buried at sea?
 
2014-04-17 12:19:34 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.


We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.
 
2014-04-17 12:20:11 PM
Elvis?
 
2014-04-17 12:20:56 PM

Cold_Sassy: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

Chesley Sullenberger is a man among men.  Unfortunately the ratio is about a million to one.


speaking as one of the million, i fully agree with you.  and, he's so damn humble.
 
2014-04-17 12:21:23 PM

LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


Yeah, that's pretty much what Schettino claims he was doing after he fell into a lifeboat.

The captain's place is on his bridge, not below decks and not in a lifeboat.
 
2014-04-17 12:21:29 PM

Tigger: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.

We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.


Aoparently there's been a moratorium on the death penalty in Korea since 1998. Wouldn't surprise me if they reset the "days without an execution" sign for this guy.
 
2014-04-17 12:22:04 PM
Well, Sonja Henie is out.
 
2014-04-17 12:22:43 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 12:23:12 PM

Tigger: We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.


Hell, an even better question is:
The ship didn't sink until a few hours after the first distress call.  Even if he didn't call for an evacuation, if they were taking on water, why the fark didn't he have all the passengers to on deck?
 
2014-04-17 12:23:33 PM

Russ1642: Tigger: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.

We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.

Aoparently there's been a moratorium on the death penalty in Korea since 1998. Wouldn't surprise me if they reset the "days without an execution" sign for this guy.


ostracised and shamed into suicide is more likely given the way the culture works.
 
2014-04-17 12:23:41 PM
Carmen Sandiego?
 
2014-04-17 12:24:27 PM

LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.



I marked this one as "Funny" but not as "Smart"... for obvious reasons.
 
2014-04-17 12:24:33 PM
Why would anyone stay in a room when a ship is sinking? You obviously want to be on deck. Best case you get in a lifeboat, worse case you jump off. Either way you have a shot. Below decks there is no best case unless you want to reenact The Poseidon Adventure.
 
2014-04-17 12:30:37 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Celine Dion?


We can only hope...
 
2014-04-17 12:31:09 PM
Amelia Earhart?
 
2014-04-17 12:32:11 PM

Tigger: Russ1642: Tigger: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Oh look everybody - it's THAT guy.

Yes, yes, we bow to how superior you are to all the people who are outraged by this story.  You are truly a better human being than us.  More understanding, more compassionate, less judgmental than normal people.

We have actual details and facts.

He abandoned ship. This is unconscionable and a crime in many countries for a captain.

Aoparently there's been a moratorium on the death penalty in Korea since 1998. Wouldn't surprise me if they reset the "days without an execution" sign for this guy.

ostracised and shamed into suicide is more likely given the way the culture works.


Left in a room alone and given a gun and one bullet.
 
2014-04-17 12:33:21 PM

Cold_Sassy: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

Chesley Sullenberger is a man among men.  Unfortunately the ratio is about a million to one.


I'll just add that it's a little bit easier to search the occupied areas of a 747 than it is to search a ferry boat that is laying on its side. The captain may or may not be a cowardly dick - that remains to be seen. But that won't change the fact that it was in no way possible for him to search that entire boat.
 
2014-04-17 12:34:19 PM
It'll be interesting to see how South Korea deals with a coward like this versus the Italians...
 
2014-04-17 12:36:20 PM

Russ1642: In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.


 Y'know, the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn't seem to be livin' until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and in spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and rip ya to pieces. You know, by the end of that first dawn, we lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I don't know how many men. They averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us. He was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know, that was the time I was most frightened - waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.
 
2014-04-17 12:36:29 PM
RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.
 
2014-04-17 12:36:34 PM

mrsirjojo: It'll be interesting to see how South Korea deals with a coward like this versus the Italians...


I was convinced Schettino would be in an oubliette by now.
 
2014-04-17 12:37:06 PM
Tallulah Bankhead & William Bendix.
 
2014-04-17 12:37:26 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Russ1642: In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

 Y'know, the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn't seem to be livin' until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and in spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and rip ya to pieces. You know, by the end of that first dawn, we lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I don't know how many men. They averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us. He was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know, that was the time I was most frightened - waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.


Please learn to use the quote feature properly.
 
2014-04-17 12:41:14 PM
Rich "El Guapo" Garces?

/that's Spanish for "the Guapo"
 
2014-04-17 12:43:34 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 12:44:02 PM
Mom?
 
2014-04-17 12:45:32 PM

cefm: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 300x250]


Aw c'mon!  Where's the NSFL tag?!

/Life
 
2014-04-17 12:48:38 PM

Russ1642: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Russ1642: In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

 Y'know, the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn't seem to be livin' until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and in spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and rip ya to pieces. You know, by the end of that first dawn, we lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I don't know how many men. They averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us. He was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know, that was the time I was most frightened - waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

Please learn to use the quote feature properly.


Please learn to shut your piehole.
 
2014-04-17 12:49:00 PM
Kilroy?
 
2014-04-17 12:52:34 PM

Jument: Why would anyone stay in a room when a ship is sinking? You obviously want to be on deck. Best case you get in a lifeboat, worse case you jump off. Either way you have a shot. Below decks there is no best case unless you want to reenact The Poseidon Adventure.


I call dibs on being Ernest Borgnine!
 
2014-04-17 12:55:11 PM
Chief?
 
2014-04-17 12:56:24 PM

robertus: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x297]


You guessed it.
 
2014-04-17 12:59:09 PM
American Woman?
 
2014-04-17 01:03:38 PM
i536.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-17 01:06:15 PM
The secret love child of Margaret Cho and Psy?
 
2014-04-17 01:07:00 PM

Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.


He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.
 
2014-04-17 01:12:40 PM
img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-17 01:15:30 PM

nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!


You've never been to Asia, have you?

"Oh, no, please, after you, go ahead" doesn't exist.
 
2014-04-17 01:17:11 PM
d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2014-04-17 01:18:44 PM
Marko Ramius?
 
2014-04-17 01:19:57 PM

qorkfiend: LineNoise:   In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Yeah, no. A captain abandoning a sinking ship in order to secure his personal safety before seeing to the safety of his passengers and crew is an act of supreme cowardice.


He felt that he could better direct the rescue effort from the vantage point of dry land. The perspective and
'big picture' were necessary to do the job correctly.  Would have worked too, if only one of those dead people hadn't done something to throw a wrench in his cleverly constructed plan.
 
2014-04-17 01:21:43 PM
So all of the crew except for 1 survived and the captain was first in the lifeboat.

Starting to sound very similar to the Concordia off of Italy or the Oceanos sinking off of South Africa.
 
2014-04-17 01:24:54 PM
Noah?
 
2014-04-17 01:29:00 PM
I see the person I have favored as a "Republican Drone" is the one person running around trying to make excuses for the captain, no surprise there.
 
2014-04-17 01:35:31 PM

nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.   When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!


He walked through the plane twice, as it was filling with water, to make sure, because that's what the captain is suppose to do.  Captains are not expected to go down with the ship anymore, but, to give it their best effort to get everybody off, and leave only when there is no further hope.  And definitely not take a space on the lifeboat that somebody else could have used.
 
2014-04-17 01:35:58 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: BSABSVR: Survivorman and Sasquatch?

OMFG I damn near sent the discovery channel some harshly worded letters after seeing that
/Not UN harshly either


I know I, as well as many others, let Les know on Facebook that the episodes were shiat.
 
2014-04-17 01:38:42 PM

studebaker hoch: [www.florencedailynews.com image 640x360]

WASAAAAAAP!!!!


"Hold my broad and watch this!"
 
2014-04-17 01:40:15 PM
Well, I'm usually the last person to get off. In fact, I have to be told to get off. Lots of women, in fact, are very solicitous about it. "Just where," they ask, "do you get off?"

But I wasn't there. It must have been someone else.
 
2014-04-17 01:45:45 PM

Loaf's Tray: That "Condom Style" guy?  God I hope he's OK...


I hope he's trapped in the bilge, in an air pocket.  A slow death, for that shiat he put out.
 
2014-04-17 01:47:56 PM

JohnBigBootay: Cold_Sassy: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

Chesley Sullenberger is a man among men.  Unfortunately the ratio is about a million to one.

I'll just add that it's a little bit easier to search the occupied areas of a 747 than it is to search a ferry boat that is laying on its side. The captain may or may not be a cowardly dick - that remains to be seen. But that won't change the fact that it was in no way possible for him to search that entire boat.


It may be impossible for one man to search the entire ship, but he should have been on board until relieved by the Coast Guard or military, the last survivor has been pulled off the ship, or the ship sank out from under him.  He had to know that there were rescue vessels headed his way.  Someone was going to take charge of the rescue from the safety of another ship, a military captain or admiral or something.  He was in charge of his ship.

I'm not saying he should have stayed aboard the locked bridge until he died, but he shouldn't have been in lifeboat #1 while teenagers are trapped, because of his orders, below deck.

/Whatever happened to men like the Captain of the Flying Enterprise?
//Maybe we need to clone him a few times.
 
2014-04-17 01:47:58 PM
Who was on first.
 
2014-04-17 01:48:25 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Russ1642: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Russ1642: In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

 Y'know, the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn't seem to be livin' until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and in spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and rip ya to pieces. You know, by the end of that first dawn, we lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I don't know how many men. They averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us. He was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know, that was the time I was most frightened - waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

Please learn to use the quote feature properly.

Please learn to shut your piehole.


Now you've got the hang of it! Good for you.
 
2014-04-17 01:59:19 PM
Somali pirates?
 
2014-04-17 01:59:43 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Anne Frank?


Don't be silly. Blind and deaf people can't find the exits.
 
2014-04-17 02:07:55 PM

Valiente: Marcus Aurelius: Anne Frank?

Don't be silly. Blind and deaf people can't find the exits.


She'll bravely go down with the ship, not knowing what the fark is happening.  A true hero of the 21st century!
 
2014-04-17 02:09:23 PM
i was going to say something witty, but just had a brain freeze, sorry
 
2014-04-17 02:10:24 PM

Jument: Why would anyone stay in a room when a ship is sinking? You obviously want to be on deck. Best case you get in a lifeboat, worse case you jump off. Either way you have a shot. Below decks there is no best case unless you want to reenact The Poseidon Adventure.


1) The crew reassures you that it isn't really sinking, they will fix it. The lifejackets are just a precaution and if it is going to sink they will warn you in plenty of time.

2) The crew actively try and keep people off decks to keep them clear while they try and save the ship.

3) It is highly unlikely that the full complement of passengers could fit on deck.

Then the crew fails, the evacuation order never arrives and before everyone starts questioning it is too late.
 
2014-04-17 02:21:40 PM
Witness: Lee Joon-seok was the Captain. But he couldn't handle it.
Prosecutor: Buddy couldn't handle it? Was Buddy one of the crew?
Witness: Right. Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Lee who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Prosecutor: *Andy* went to pieces?
Witness: No. Andy was the navigator. He was all right. Buddy went to pieces. It was awful how he came unglued.
Prosecutor: *Howie* came unglued?
Witness: Oh, no. Howie was a rock, the best tailgunner in the outfit. Buddy came unglued.
Prosecutor: And he bailed out?
Witness: No. Andy hung tough. Buddy bailed out. How he survived, it was a miracle.
Prosecutor: Then Howie survived?
Witness: No, 'fraid not. We lost Howie the next day.
 
2014-04-17 02:22:28 PM

Valiente: Marcus Aurelius: Anne Frank?

Don't be silly. Blind and deaf people can't find the exits.


But we aren't talking about blind and deaf people. We are talking about blind and deaf zombies.
 
2014-04-17 02:36:07 PM
The Lusitania?

/ conspiracy!
 
2014-04-17 02:37:02 PM

Joelogon: Francesco Schettino?


Nice
 
2014-04-17 02:56:16 PM
"Maritime police are still working under the assumption that some survived. A coast guard spokesperson says divers (there are more than 500 on the scene) intend to pump oxygen into the ferry."

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-17 03:14:40 PM
isunkyourbattleship.com
 
2014-04-17 03:41:34 PM

RedfordRenegade: I wonder how many of the crew could work the Davits system to actually, you know, launch the lifeboats?
If they were the SOLAS capsules they should have deployed and inflated automatically when the boat submerged to a given depth.  Not sure if Korea participates in Solas convention.

If the order was given for passengers to don lifejackets while still inside the ship, that's bad news as the buoyancy of the jackets would keep people from being able to leave compartments if the ship fills with water.
Considering the order that was given.

I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....


And a Ferry boat captain?  That's the kind of job that breeds hubris and complacency.  Oh sure it's an important job, but it ain't glamorous and it probably doesn't have any opportunity for advancement.  Jobs with dull reputations like that (deserved or not) are breeding grounds for the mildew and mold of an apathetic crew.
 
2014-04-17 03:54:29 PM
img.fark.net

Captain Sternn?  ... or are we done guessing now?
 
2014-04-17 04:38:26 PM
It's not like he's a real captain and a graduate of some maritime academy.
 
2014-04-17 04:39:39 PM

JohnBigBootay: But that won't change the fact that it was in no way possible for him to search that entire boat.


My personal standard would be 'Every lifeboat deployed, every non-submerged compartment checked by the crew, said crew is now in the lifeboats, and there's still an open spot'
 
2014-04-17 04:41:20 PM

qorkfiend: LineNoise: nekom: Absolutely shameful.  I don't expect the captain to go down with the ship, but he ought to be the very LAST person off.  That's just how that works.  When Capt. Sully ditched a plane in the Hudson river, he made one final sweep of the aircraft to make sure no one was left before he himself got out.  If you don't want that responsibility, don't sign up to be a captain!

In this case it might not be quite the same as the concordia.

Remember, the captain's duty is to preserve life. If his ship has rolled, he has people in the water and possibly trapped, it is possible that the best place for him to direct the rescue is from another boat. He knows his ship, can help direct responders, etc. Him being trapped below decks doesn't do any good for anyone.

In other words, how about we wait for some actual details and facts before throwing someone to the sharks.

Yeah, no. A captain abandoning a sinking ship in order to secure his personal safety before seeing to the safety of his passengers and crew is an act of supreme cowardice.


This. It takes a third-world mentality to not see that. Basically a soccer fan will flee without allowing others to do so.
 
2014-04-17 05:18:24 PM

Nemo's Brother: This. It takes a third-world mentality to not see that.


third-world what now?

Cap'n Mahendra Nath Mulla, from beyond, might beg to differ.
 
2014-04-17 07:01:46 PM
larrybrownsports.com
 
2014-04-17 07:47:48 PM

Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.


Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.
 
2014-04-17 08:28:49 PM

Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.


Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?
 
2014-04-17 08:44:52 PM

CJHardin: Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.

Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?


Public transportation is wonderful.  But how often do people wear seatbelts?  20% of people overall, 5% when in the backseats according to this, which is actually  higher than I expected to find.  Most cabs cover the back seats in a mat that prevents you from even getting to them.  The younger generation may call for greater safety, but the older generation has found great success in cutting corners to get things done quickly and they are almost uniformly the decision makers. Of course it depends highly on where you lived.  I work mostly with Jeolla, which outside of the cities tends to be quite poor/rural.
 
2014-04-17 09:15:42 PM

Mytch: CJHardin: Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.

Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?

Public transportation is wonderful.  But how often do people wear seatbelts?  20% of people overall, 5% when in the backseats according to this, which is actually  higher than I expected to find.  Most cabs cover the back seats in a mat that prevents you from even getting to them.  The younger generation may call for greater safety, but the older generation has found great success in cutting corners to ...


Ahh, I see what you are going at.  I lived in Pyongtaek and Seoul, so much less rural areas.  The reason that I'm saying that I'm pretty sure there were not many cut corners on that boat was because it is heavily regulated by the S. Korean govt, specifically the tourism part.  I've actually traveled on that very boat twice. That is what struck me as the most surprising is that this even happened.  I had high confidence in their mass transit.  I used to vacation in the Jindo area and Yongpo, so I know what you mean about the poorer, more rural areas.

I specifically was amazed by the "one eyed donkeys", the crazy farm tractor/road bike/tiller/water pump/delivery vehicle..........it definitely was function before form.

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2014-04-17 09:26:15 PM

CJHardin: Ahh, I see what you are going at.  I lived in Pyongtaek and Seoul, so much less rural areas.  The reason that I'm saying that I'm pretty sure there were not many cut corners on that boat was because it is heavily regulated by the S. Korean govt, specifically the tourism part.  I've actually traveled on that very boat twice. That is what struck me as the most surprising is that this even happened.  I had high confidence in their mass transit.  I used to vacation in the Jindo area and Yongpo, so I know what you mean about the poorer, more rural areas.

I specifically was amazed by the "one eyed donkeys", the crazy farm tractor/road bike/tiller/water pump/delivery vehicle..........it definitely was function before form.


While I was teaching there, there was a grandfather who would ride one of those to the school to pick up his granddaughters.  Brings back some memories!  As for the ship sinking, personally, I was surprised to.  I've never traveled that ship, but I'd taken the Queen Mary out of Mokpo several times and loved it. In fact, several months ago I had arranged for a colleague who is travelling through the area on business next month to take that route (though they seem to have either replaced the Queen Mary or it's not available during that time, which I felt a bit sad about). How long is the trip from Incheon to Jeju?
 
2014-04-17 09:36:56 PM

Mytch: CJHardin: Ahh, I see what you are going at.  I lived in Pyongtaek and Seoul, so much less rural areas.  The reason that I'm saying that I'm pretty sure there were not many cut corners on that boat was because it is heavily regulated by the S. Korean govt, specifically the tourism part.  I've actually traveled on that very boat twice. That is what struck me as the most surprising is that this even happened.  I had high confidence in their mass transit.  I used to vacation in the Jindo area and Yongpo, so I know what you mean about the poorer, more rural areas.

I specifically was amazed by the "one eyed donkeys", the crazy farm tractor/road bike/tiller/water pump/delivery vehicle..........it definitely was function before form.

While I was teaching there, there was a grandfather who would ride one of those to the school to pick up his granddaughters.  Brings back some memories!  As for the ship sinking, personally, I was surprised to.  I've never traveled that ship, but I'd taken the Queen Mary out of Mokpo several times and loved it. In fact, several months ago I had arranged for a colleague who is travelling through the area on business next month to take that route (though they seem to have either replaced the Queen Mary or it's not available during that time, which I felt a bit sad about). How long is the trip from Incheon to Jeju?


So, conspiracy theory time?  The Norks got some sleeper agents to sabotage the boat and the evacuation in order to cast the South Korean government's regulatory abilities into question!
 
2014-04-17 10:12:23 PM

Mytch: CJHardin: Ahh, I see what you are going at.  I lived in Pyongtaek and Seoul, so much less rural areas.  The reason that I'm saying that I'm pretty sure there were not many cut corners on that boat was because it is heavily regulated by the S. Korean govt, specifically the tourism part.  I've actually traveled on that very boat twice. That is what struck me as the most surprising is that this even happened.  I had high confidence in their mass transit.  I used to vacation in the Jindo area and Yongpo, so I know what you mean about the poorer, more rural areas.

I specifically was amazed by the "one eyed donkeys", the crazy farm tractor/road bike/tiller/water pump/delivery vehicle..........it definitely was function before form.

While I was teaching there, there was a grandfather who would ride one of those to the school to pick up his granddaughters.  Brings back some memories!  As for the ship sinking, personally, I was surprised to.  I've never traveled that ship, but I'd taken the Queen Mary out of Mokpo several times and loved it. In fact, several months ago I had arranged for a colleague who is travelling through the area on business next month to take that route (though they seem to have either replaced the Queen Mary or it's not available during that time, which I felt a bit sad about). How long is the trip from Incheon to Jeju?


It's an eight hour trip, give or take.  Not sure if it's going to be happening for a while though.
 
2014-04-17 11:56:55 PM
Captain Chickenshiat?
 
2014-04-18 12:54:28 AM

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That's the first thing I thought of.

Sirlan: [img.fark.net image 590x331]

Captain Sternn?  ... or are we done guessing now?



You both get up-votes!
 
2014-04-18 12:03:28 PM

CJHardin: Mytch: CJHardin: Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.

Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?

Public transportation is wonderful.  But how often do people wear seatbelts?  20% of people overall, 5% when in the backseats according to this, which is actually  higher than I expected to find.  Most cabs cover the back seats in a mat that prevents you from even getting to them.  The younger generation may call for greater safety, but the older generation has found great success in cutting corn ...


Never been to Korea, but they quoted that one officer as saying there'd never been a safety drill during his time on board...
 
2014-04-18 12:07:59 PM

PunGent: CJHardin: Mytch: CJHardin: Mytch: Tigger: Mytch: RedfordRenegade:
I'd put money on the Captain being too complacent with the operation of the ship and safety drills.  He probably relied on the mates to take care of it (if there were any) and they did a sorry job.  It's when hubris takes over and you think everythings taken care of when Murphy comes aboard.  Also why you need to beat your crew every so often....

My understanding of some previous reports is that the actual captain of the ship was on vacation and that they had a new guy as the acting captain. Probably had no clue what to do when it hit the fan.

He still has a farking captain's licence! As a replacement captain you could be forgiven for 'not knowing all the details of the ship layout' you cannot be forgiven for 'violating the first rule of captaincy by abandoning ship''

It's like asking if the reason the babysitter electrocuted the baby because they weren't the regular babysitter.

Sorry, I didn't at all mean that as an excuse for him. Sinking the ship alone is farking up bad. Screwing up the evacuation in such a way that 2/3rds of your passengers die when there were enough life boats for everyone is criminal. But knowing how things are done in Korea, there were probably some gaps in preparation, training, maintenance, etc.

Ummm, I don't know what knowledge you have about Korea, but after living there for 3 years, I know that they are very thorough in their safety and operations standards.  Possibly one of the best transportation systems in the world.

What is your experience with how things are done in South Korea?

Public transportation is wonderful.  But how often do people wear seatbelts?  20% of people overall, 5% when in the backseats according to this, which is actually  higher than I expected to find.  Most cabs cover the back seats in a mat that prevents you from even getting to them.  The younger generation may call for greater safety, but the older generation has found great success in cu ...


Damn, that's......that's just strange.
 
2014-04-18 03:32:11 PM
Well, the Captain's been arrested pending charges, and the Vice Principle that was there with the students and was rescued committed suicide.
 
2014-04-18 03:39:15 PM

Firethorn: Well, the Captain's been arrested pending charges, and the Vice Principle that was there with the students and was rescued committed suicide.


On principal, I take it... ;^)
 
2014-04-18 05:55:34 PM
I accidentally read that link as "Only one lifeboat was deployed to the sinking ferry in South Korea" and I thought "How did Francesco Schettino (the captain of the Costa Concordia) manage to get another boat? And what are the chances of that happening, so he could botch a rescue?".  But the actual headline is worse.

It seems that captains do not have regular mandatory training for crisis situations and evacuation procedures. It apparently is voluntary, and I suspect a captain would need to use some of his vacation time to actually go through that training. Ergo, it would never be done. Airline pilots have regular mandatory training in how to handle bad situations - that's why they are able to handle it. People need training/practice to act correctly in complicated situations where a wrong decision could cost lives. You can't just wing it and hope for the best, it is too complicated and stressful and most people will either mess up or crumble completely. That's what happened with Francesco Schettino , that's what seems to be the case here, and that's what will continue to happen. Every. Single. Time.
 
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