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(Slate)   President Obama has an amazing, overlooked skill: He can successfully and strategically troll the Republican party anytime he wants to   (slate.com ) divider line
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2014-04-17 07:41:39 AM  
One: Is that skill really overlooked?

Two: Can you call something a skill if it can be done successfully by any three-year-old?
 
2014-04-17 07:56:59 AM  
Weirdly, the tone of that article suggests that it's a bad thing.
 
2014-04-17 08:03:34 AM  
"Stray Voltage" is the name of my ELO cover band.
 
2014-04-17 08:14:19 AM  
journal-neo.org
 
2014-04-17 08:17:45 AM  
FTFA: This is trolling. I've decided against it, but the White House has not

He's decided to come down so hard against trolling that he put it in the headline.

And you can't say "John Dickerson" without saying... ummm... "Johnson".
 
2014-04-17 08:28:53 AM  
Overlooked?

No, it just means that folks might not have been paying attention...
 
2014-04-17 09:00:50 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Weirdly, the tone of that article suggests that it's a bad thing.


Right? "He used to think that he could work with Republicans, but he learned otherwise and changed his strategy. What a monster!" I don't get that particular brand of pearl-clutching.

Also, did John Dickerson forget he wrote this?
 
2014-04-17 09:35:38 AM  
In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial-a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

I don't understand this statement. I'm not saying that the stat is or isn't accurate; I honestly don't know. However, the stat would seem to be backed by evidence - Dickerson doesn't dispute this - and he offers neither a reason why it's wrong (merely implication that it is) nor offers a "more accurate" stat.
 
2014-04-17 09:57:07 AM  
I've never voted for him, but he really is the most likeable President in my lifetime.  Definitely the guy you'd most want to grab a beer with.  He (and his handlers, I suppose) come up with some really clever shiat.
 
2014-04-17 09:57:18 AM  
images.huffingtonpost.com
 
2014-04-17 09:57:36 AM  
Concern troll is concerned.
 
2014-04-17 09:58:21 AM  
Trolling the Republican party: say something factual and proven.
 
2014-04-17 09:58:44 AM  
You know what else could be called trolling? Pointless clickbait articles from Slate that have no real point.
 
2014-04-17 09:59:59 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial-a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

I don't understand this statement. I'm not saying that the stat is or isn't accurate; I honestly don't know. However, the stat would seem to be backed by evidence - Dickerson doesn't dispute this - and he offers neither a reason why it's wrong (merely implication that it is) nor offers a "more accurate" stat.


newhealthomdotcom.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-17 09:59:59 AM  
This writes as tho Obama invented it and shame on him. The GOP have been doing this since even before 9/11.
 
2014-04-17 10:00:11 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial-a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

I don't understand this statement. I'm not saying that the stat is or isn't accurate; I honestly don't know. However, the stat would seem to be backed by evidence - Dickerson doesn't dispute this - and he offers neither a reason why it's wrong (merely implication that it is) nor offers a "more accurate" stat.


It's been disproved several times.  You're right, it would have been nice if the article writer would have explained it a little more, especially in light of his probably audience.

And FWIW - Salon and Slate can pretty much troll Republicans at will too.  Some of their stuff is brilliant, from a trollbait perspective - it's like they specifically wanted Limbaugh to rant about it the next day.
 
2014-04-17 10:00:37 AM  
all obama has to do to troll the gop is continue to be swarthy
 
2014-04-17 10:02:03 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: This writes as tho Obama invented it and shame on him. The GOP have been doing this since even before 9/11.


I know.  Those who call the House GOP's opposition to Obama unprecedented somehow forget that Clinton was impeached during a time of incredible economic prosperity and national goodwill.
 
2014-04-17 10:02:14 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial-a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

I don't understand this statement. I'm not saying that the stat is or isn't accurate; I honestly don't know. However, the stat would seem to be backed by evidence - Dickerson doesn't dispute this - and he offers neither a reason why it's wrong (merely implication that it is) nor offers a "more accurate" stat.


Its the worst case stat that ignores qualifications, hours worked, and pretty much all issues. Its a baseline stat of women on average for example make 77,000 a year, men on average make 100,000 a year (not true, just the example). While true it ignores that many women choose to take careers that have less hours, and many women don't have the same jobs as many men. Also one interesting thing many of even the better surveys ignore is that there is a greater gap for older men than younger men, the gap is slowly decreasing for the newer younger generations.
 
2014-04-17 10:02:31 AM  

Epic Fap Session: You know what else could be called trolling? Pointless clickbait articles from Slate that have no real point.


I think most people call that "Slate's business model".
 
2014-04-17 10:03:40 AM  
Obama trolls the GOP, Putin trolls Obama... but who trolls Putin?
 
2014-04-17 10:04:56 AM  

FLMountainMan: Gecko Gingrich: In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial-a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

I don't understand this statement. I'm not saying that the stat is or isn't accurate; I honestly don't know. However, the stat would seem to be backed by evidence - Dickerson doesn't dispute this - and he offers neither a reason why it's wrong (merely implication that it is) nor offers a "more accurate" stat.

It's been disproved several times.  You're right, it would have been nice if the article writer would have explained it a little more, especially in light of his probably audience.

And FWIW - Salon and Slate can pretty much troll Republicans at will too.  Some of their stuff is brilliant, from a trollbait perspective - it's like they specifically wanted Limbaugh to rant about it the next day.


And yet, you have done exactly what did.
 
2014-04-17 10:05:32 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Obama trolls the GOP, Putin trolls Obama... but who trolls Putin?


Your mom.
 
2014-04-17 10:05:42 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Obama trolls the GOP, Putin trolls Obama... but who trolls Putin?


The very thing he's the most afraid of:

blogs.telegraph.co.uk
Women.
 
2014-04-17 10:06:46 AM  

MindStalker: Gecko Gingrich: In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial-a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

I don't understand this statement. I'm not saying that the stat is or isn't accurate; I honestly don't know. However, the stat would seem to be backed by evidence - Dickerson doesn't dispute this - and he offers neither a reason why it's wrong (merely implication that it is) nor offers a "more accurate" stat.

Its the worst case stat that ignores qualifications, hours worked, and pretty much all issues. Its a baseline stat of women on average for example make 77,000 a year, men on average make 100,000 a year (not true, just the example). While true it ignores that many women choose to take careers that have less hours, and many women don't have the same jobs as many men. Also one interesting thing many of even the better surveys ignore is that there is a greater gap for older men than younger men, the gap is slowly decreasing for the newer younger generations.


Thank you.
 
2014-04-17 10:08:27 AM  

Delta1212: One: Is that skill really overlooked?


It's not overlooked, in the least.  He's magnificent.  It warms my heart that the POTUS is one of the most skilled trolls on Earth.
 
2014-04-17 10:08:57 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: FLMountainMan: Gecko Gingrich: In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial-a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

I don't understand this statement. I'm not saying that the stat is or isn't accurate; I honestly don't know. However, the stat would seem to be backed by evidence - Dickerson doesn't dispute this - and he offers neither a reason why it's wrong (merely implication that it is) nor offers a "more accurate" stat.

It's been disproved several times.  You're right, it would have been nice if the article writer would have explained it a little more, especially in light of his probably audience.

And FWIW - Salon and Slate can pretty much troll Republicans at will too.  Some of their stuff is brilliant, from a trollbait perspective - it's like they specifically wanted Limbaugh to rant about it the next day.

And yet, you have done exactly what did.


I'm not paid to write columns.  If you want to chip in a TF sponsorship, I'll do the thirty seconds of internet research to get you a cite.
 
2014-04-17 10:14:34 AM  

FLMountainMan: Gecko Gingrich: FLMountainMan: Gecko Gingrich: In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial-a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

I don't understand this statement. I'm not saying that the stat is or isn't accurate; I honestly don't know. However, the stat would seem to be backed by evidence - Dickerson doesn't dispute this - and he offers neither a reason why it's wrong (merely implication that it is) nor offers a "more accurate" stat.

It's been disproved several times.  You're right, it would have been nice if the article writer would have explained it a little more, especially in light of his probably audience.

And FWIW - Salon and Slate can pretty much troll Republicans at will too.  Some of their stuff is brilliant, from a trollbait perspective - it's like they specifically wanted Limbaugh to rant about it the next day.

And yet, you have done exactly what did.

I'm not paid to write columns.  If you want to chip in a TF sponsorship, I'll do the thirty seconds of internet research to get you a cite.


A cited stat was used. You disagreed with it. You have an obligation to provide proof, if you want your opinion to be considered. If you don't, then leave your argument unsupported. I don't care either way.
 
2014-04-17 10:19:10 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Obama trolls the GOP, Putin trolls Obama... but who trolls Putin?


Canada, by naming a digusting 'food' after him.
 
2014-04-17 10:19:39 AM  
Overlooked, subby?

[inigomontoya.jgp]
 
2014-04-17 10:19:44 AM  
proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com
 
2014-04-17 10:21:09 AM  

Jackpot777: [images.huffingtonpost.com image 560x687]


Came here to post this image.  Well done.
 
2014-04-17 10:23:20 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: This writes as tho Obama invented it and shame on him. The GOP have been doing this since even before 9/11.



They did it a little differently, though. When Republicans wanted to promote a message or idea you'd see everyone -- lawmakers, Limbaugh, local AM radio Limbaugh clones, Fox News Channel, Sunday morning talk show pundits, conservative op-ed writers, opinion journals -- suddenly talking something up in unison seemingly out of the blue, using the same language.

Some people used to call it the Republicans' "Mighty Wurlitzer".
 
2014-04-17 10:27:42 AM  
I found an old discarded pic of the article's author:
i13.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-17 10:28:48 AM  
Trolling is despicable and if 0bama had a shred of dignity he would resign before he is impeached.
 
2014-04-17 10:29:27 AM  
I wouldn't really say it is trolling.  It is using flawed and/or questionable data to score political points.  It's been done by every political party in every country.

I'd also say it backfired once it was discovered that using the same (flawed) metric, he, and many other Democrat politicians, pay their female employees less rthan their male employees as well.

But you'd never read that in Slate.
 
2014-04-17 10:29:52 AM  
The "Obama be trollin ecksdee" meme is weirdly popular considering how much self righteous fury gets vomited out around here about the stick it to the libs school of political thought.
 
2014-04-17 10:32:40 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: A cited stat was used. You disagreed with it. You have an obligation to provide proof, if you want your opinion to be considered. If you don't, then leave your argument unsupported. I don't care either way.


And yet you accepted another farker's explanation, that was entirely uncited.

Wyalt Derp: Trolling is despicable and if 0bama had a shred of dignity he would resign before he is impeached.


I think returning the bust of Churchill should have been grounds for treason charges, but you're obviously a lot more moderate and terror-loving than I am.
 
2014-04-17 10:33:30 AM  
It's very simple.

Obama knows what every good player of strategy or psychological games knows: when you can predict your opponents' responses, you hold a tremendous advantage.

Conversely, when you know how your opponents expect you to respond... don't do that unless you have no other choice.

The GOP thinks they have no other choice than their current course of action.
 
2014-04-17 10:34:38 AM  
I didn't say a cite was needed. I said proof was. Cites are one kind of proof.
 
2014-04-17 10:35:56 AM  
Yeah, but they consider his breathing to be an affront to them.  The bar's pretty low already.
 
2014-04-17 10:39:31 AM  

MindStalker: While true it ignores that many women choose to take careers that have less hours, and many women don't have the same jobs as many men.


i never understood how "well women just don't get good paying jobs" is somehow a counterargument to the idea of a wage gap
 
2014-04-17 10:39:54 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: I didn't say a cite was needed. I said proof was. Cites are one kind of proof.


Fair enough.  I think our citation argument is hindering the usual rational polite political discourse in these types of threads, so I'll move along.

Clever Neologism: The GOP thinks they have no other choice than their current course of action.


Not to get all Hegelian, but that's kind of inherent with the tenets and culture of conservatism.  Defeat in conflicts with liberalism is the only way to evolve.
 
2014-04-17 10:41:03 AM  

Clever Neologism: Obama knows what every good player of strategy or psychological games knows: when you can predict your opponents' responses, you hold a tremendous advantage.


When every response is "We want the opposite of what you want!", it's pretty easy to predict the next move.
 
2014-04-17 10:44:49 AM  

Jjaro: I'd also say it backfired once it was discovered that using the same (flawed) metric, he, and many other Democrat politicians, pay their female employees less rthan their male employees as well.


Debunked talking points are debunked.

But you'd never read that in Slate.

That's because Fox News has the market share on misinformation.
 
2014-04-17 10:47:17 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: FTFA: This is trolling. I've decided against it, but the White House has not

He's decided to come down so hard against trolling that he put it in the headline.

And you can't say "John Dickerson" without saying... ummm... "Johnson".


and "dick", so, yeah.
 
2014-04-17 10:47:34 AM  

Ned Stark: The "Obama be trollin ecksdee" meme is weirdly popular considering how much self righteous fury gets vomited out around here about the stick it to the libs school of political thought.



I think it's more along the lines of Obama is playing 4-D chess and the GOP is playing Candy Land.
 
2014-04-17 10:47:42 AM  

sprawl15: MindStalker: While true it ignores that many women choose to take careers that have less hours, and many women don't have the same jobs as many men.

i never understood how "well women just don't get good paying jobs" is somehow a counterargument to the idea of a wage gap


It's more nuanced than what you describe.  For example, social workers are overwhelmingly female.  Social work doesn't generate immediate, demonstrable revenue and so the wages are shiatty.

CSB - My lovely wife complains that I make almost three times as much as her, to which I reply, "yeah, but you actually picked a major you're interested in.  I picked a major that would give me the security to attract a woman like you."

/have a comfortable couch
 
2014-04-17 10:48:36 AM  
Thanks Gecko, well-played.  I guess I have to find that cite now....
 
2014-04-17 10:50:00 AM  
Bill Clinton had a knack for pummeling republicans with a baseball bat.

Obama has a knack for getting the republicans to pummel themselves and each other with a baseball bat.
 
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