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2014-04-17 09:21:17 AM
FTFA:  I have always appreciated the one small part of public life where women's bodies are allowed to be on display to each other, with no stigma, judgment or agenda. Where else do women feel safe enough to just let it all hang out?

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but many women do plenty of stigmatizing, judgmentalism and agenda-ing in the locker room. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean its not there.
 
2014-04-17 09:48:40 AM

Somacandra: FTFA:  I have always appreciated the one small part of public life where women's bodies are allowed to be on display to each other, with no stigma, judgment or agenda. Where else do women feel safe enough to just let it all hang out?

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but many women do plenty of stigmatizing, judgmentalism and agenda-ing in the locker room. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean its not there.


Pretty much this. Guys are just happy to see some nakeyness..... girls are the ones that get all 'omg did you see Becky's left nipple is smaller than her right one! And tashas fun flaps are so gross!'
 
2014-04-17 10:30:42 AM
I have always appreciated the one small part of public life where women's bodies are allowed to be on display to each other, with no stigma, judgment or agenda. Where else do women feel safe enough to just let it all hang out?

Since when?  Women can be pretty awful to each other.
 
2014-04-17 10:36:40 AM
Generally speaking, women utilize contrarianism to guide their decision making.

When they ask "The red dress or the black dress?" it's merely to have something to peg their decision against. You know goddamn well she's wearing the opposite of whatever you pick.
 
2014-04-17 10:37:16 AM
This feeling will only get worse as time moves forward.
 
2014-04-17 10:38:09 AM

NickelP: Somacandra: FTFA:  I have always appreciated the one small part of public life where women's bodies are allowed to be on display to each other, with no stigma, judgment or agenda. Where else do women feel safe enough to just let it all hang out?

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but many women do plenty of stigmatizing, judgmentalism and agenda-ing in the locker room. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean its not there.

Pretty much this. Guys are just happy to see some nakeyness..... girls are the ones that get all 'omg did you see Becky's left nipple is smaller than her right one! And tashas fun flaps are so gross!'


No.  No they aren't.  I've heard many a complaint about the old hairy guy that's too comfortable walking around naked.  Also, I'm really hairy and formerly fat so I have a lot of loose skin.  No one wants to see that.  That sh*t's gross.

Also I seem to recall something from Seinfeld about "Tease her until she gets an eating disorder."
 
2014-04-17 10:41:22 AM
First the unisex changing rooms, then comes the unisex communal showers.

Would you like to know more?
 
2014-04-17 10:42:03 AM

HotWingConspiracy: "The red dress or the black dress?"


Through other people, I've noticed that there are some responses less welcome than others:

"Whichever one costs less."

"The black one.  It makes you look slim."

There are others but those two stand out immediately.
 
2014-04-17 10:42:08 AM
Lipstick feminists
 
2014-04-17 10:50:49 AM
This sounds like much ado about nothing. Family changing rooms have been like this for many years. You have privacy if you want it and equality in your facilities which in theory feminists should support. Sounds like an adjustment problem. meh
 
2014-04-17 11:04:06 AM

Somacandra: FTFA:  I have always appreciated the one small part of public life where women's bodies are allowed to be on display to each other, with no stigma, judgment or agenda. Where else do women feel safe enough to just let it all hang out?

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but many women do plenty of stigmatizing, judgmentalism and agenda-ing in the locker room. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean its not there.


You want to see judgement, stigmatization, or an agenda? Watch a bunch of females and listen to them talk.

There is nothing more judgemental, about physical looks or sexuality of a woman, than another woman. (or group of women)

/they still blame it on men
 
2014-04-17 11:06:46 AM
Why are women so afraid of male bodies?
 
2014-04-17 11:07:31 AM
Only somewhat relevant:

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2014-04-17 11:09:27 AM
Feminist: We want to be treated like everyone else, except when it doesn't suit us.
 
2014-04-17 11:10:19 AM

littlett's: I have always appreciated the one small part of public life where women's bodies are allowed to be on display to each other, with no stigma, judgment or agenda. Where else do women feel safe enough to just let it all hang out?

Since when?  Women can be pretty awful to each other.


This. No one hates women more than other women.

Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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Also this...ewwww
 
2014-04-17 11:19:05 AM

stonicus: Feminist: We want to be treated like everyone else, except when it doesn't suit us.


Not everyone rallies around the same "core issue", but it always boils down to the struggle to understand why you are still not happy even after getting what you asked for.
 
2014-04-17 11:19:38 AM

Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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this is so true. I go to a gym on a college campus, and it is amazing how most of the college age guys will go so far out of their way and to what lengths to keep what amounts to a Burka covering their "private parts" where as myself, and most of the older men, really don't care about it.
 
2014-04-17 11:21:40 AM

stonicus: Feminist: We want to be treated like everyone else, except when it doesn't suit us.


So having separate lockers rooms for men and women is now hypocritical?

And I'm guessing a lot of men would like separate locker rooms as well.  Count me as one of them.
 
2014-04-17 11:22:23 AM

jbrad47128: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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this is so true. I go to a gym on a college campus, and it is amazing how most of the college age guys will go so far out of their way and to what lengths to keep what amounts to a Burka covering their "private parts" where as myself, and most of the older men, really don't care about it.


The only thing I ask is that you don't sit bare-assed on the benches.  I mean, come on, other people have to sit on those things.
 
Skr
2014-04-17 11:24:58 AM

Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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Thought of the Oatmeal as well. Actually quite relevant. Bound to be 'free spirits' that go buck naked to and fro the unisex stalls. Not such a big deal with segregated sexes. Bit more dicey with shriveled old man coin purse catching breeze.
 
2014-04-17 11:28:13 AM

jbrad47128: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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this is so true. I go to a gym on a college campus, and it is amazing how most of the college age guys will go so far out of their way and to what lengths to keep what amounts to a Burka covering their "private parts" where as myself, and most of the older men, really don't care about it.


I think once you hit 30+ you realize no one gives a shiat.

I just turned 30 and find myself caring less and less. Now, I still try not to go full cock exposure just because I'm fat hairy and ugly, no one wants to see that.
 
2014-04-17 11:28:54 AM
Got it.  Unisex bathrooms are good, unless there is a shower in them, then they're bad.
 
2014-04-17 11:31:02 AM

Pincy: stonicus: Feminist: We want to be treated like everyone else, except when it doesn't suit us.

So having separate lockers rooms for men and women is now hypocritical?

And I'm guessing a lot of men would like separate locker rooms as well.  Count me as one of them.


Not hypocritical, just saying they haven't thought their cunning plan all the way through...
 
2014-04-17 11:32:46 AM

stonicus: Pincy: stonicus: Feminist: We want to be treated like everyone else, except when it doesn't suit us.

So having separate lockers rooms for men and women is now hypocritical?

And I'm guessing a lot of men would like separate locker rooms as well.  Count me as one of them.

Not hypocritical, just saying they haven't thought their cunning plan all the way through...


Well, I could definitely be wrong here, but I don't recall hearing that the goal of feminism was to have unisex locker rooms every where.  So I'm not quite sure what this cunning plan is you refer to?
 
2014-04-17 11:40:55 AM
Almost everyone looks better with clothes on.
 
2014-04-17 11:41:09 AM

jbrad47128: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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this is so true. I go to a gym on a college campus, and it is amazing how most of the college age guys will go so far out of their way and to what lengths to keep what amounts to a Burka covering their "private parts" where as myself, and most of the older men, really don't care about it.


Is it that we are past the age of "gay stigma" while college-age men still worry about it? Or, having experienced a couple of "clothing optional" beaches, we understand that most naked bodies are not plesant to look at? For myself, I am reasonably confident that I am just as unattractive to men as to women.
 
2014-04-17 11:41:33 AM
Oops, here's another round of dudes thinking all women are like the biatchy chicks they're attracted to.

Seriously. Stop. You're just hearing the loud whiny crabby people. Just like with men.

On another note, old ladies will go nude rampaging around the swimming pool dressing room. Many a young woman has been traumatised by some lady rolling up her boobs into cinnamon buns and stuffing them into a swimming top.
 
2014-04-17 11:42:46 AM

Pincy: stonicus: Pincy: stonicus: Feminist: We want to be treated like everyone else, except when it doesn't suit us.

So having separate lockers rooms for men and women is now hypocritical?

And I'm guessing a lot of men would like separate locker rooms as well.  Count me as one of them.

Not hypocritical, just saying they haven't thought their cunning plan all the way through...

Well, I could definitely be wrong here, but I don't recall hearing that the goal of feminism was to have unisex locker rooms every where.  So I'm not quite sure what this cunning plan is you refer to?


I'm pretty sure men came up with that idea.
 
2014-04-17 11:44:43 AM
I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that all women don't think the exact same way and want different things. It's almost as though women are individual people with different personalities, desires and goals as opposed to a "feminist hive mind" set out to destroy the plutocracy.

Ya idiot...
 
2014-04-17 11:45:25 AM

gaslight: Almost everyone looks better with clothes on.


This.

Most of the time you are better of fantasizing about what might be underneath rather than actually seeing it.
 
2014-04-17 11:48:46 AM
being a feminist has nothing to do with being nice to people.
 
2014-04-17 11:51:28 AM

FunkOut: Oops, here's another round of dudes thinking all women are like the biatchy chicks they're attracted to.

Seriously. Stop. You're just hearing the loud whiny crabby people. Just like with men.

On another note, old ladies will go nude rampaging around the swimming pool dressing room. Many a young woman has been traumatised by some lady rolling up her boobs into cinnamon buns and stuffing them into a swimming top.


Oh boy ... This x 10
 
2014-04-17 11:53:21 AM

Skr: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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Thought of the Oatmeal as well. Actually quite relevant. Bound to be 'free spirits' that go buck naked to and fro the unisex stalls. Not such a big deal with segregated sexes. Bit more dicey with shriveled old man coin purse catching breeze.


Hey, those are my necropants.  I paid good money for those...

/necropants are nsfw, or lunch, btw...
 
2014-04-17 11:55:36 AM
This just in:  Lesbian feminist angry that previous frothing about equality leads to of lack of access to visible nubile flesh.
 
2014-04-17 12:04:33 PM

PunGent: Skr: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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Thought of the Oatmeal as well. Actually quite relevant. Bound to be 'free spirits' that go buck naked to and fro the unisex stalls. Not such a big deal with segregated sexes. Bit more dicey with shriveled old man coin purse catching breeze.

Hey, those are my necropants.  I paid good money for those...

/necropants are nsfw, or lunch, btw...


Listen to this guy. Do not GIS necropants.
 
2014-04-17 12:13:34 PM

FunkOut: necropants


Ugh, thanks.
 
2014-04-17 12:16:10 PM
and what the hell? Where's all the naked women getting naked with other naked women?
 
2014-04-17 12:18:37 PM

Salmon: and what the hell? Where's all the naked women getting naked with other naked women?


Remote Icelandic hotsprings.
 
2014-04-17 12:20:51 PM
Everything in life would be so much easier if we were all a bit more nudist-y.
 
2014-04-17 12:35:58 PM

onyxruby: This sounds like much ado about nothing. Family changing rooms have been like this for many years. You have privacy if you want it and equality in your facilities which in theory feminists should support. Sounds like an adjustment problem. meh


Your mistake is assuming that feminists give a shiat about equality.
 
2014-04-17 12:41:35 PM

umad: onyxruby: This sounds like much ado about nothing. Family changing rooms have been like this for many years. You have privacy if you want it and equality in your facilities which in theory feminists should support. Sounds like an adjustment problem. meh

Your mistake is assuming that feminists give a shiat about equality.


Or that equality equals co-ed changing rooms.
 
2014-04-17 12:42:33 PM

Unobtanium: jbrad47128: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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this is so true. I go to a gym on a college campus, and it is amazing how most of the college age guys will go so far out of their way and to what lengths to keep what amounts to a Burka covering their "private parts" where as myself, and most of the older men, really don't care about it.

Is it that we are past the age of "gay stigma" while college-age men still worry about it? Or, having experienced a couple of "clothing optional" beaches, we understand that most naked bodies are not plesant to look at? For myself, I am reasonably confident that I am just as unattractive to men as to women.


That's probably it. A young, attractive guy might get hit on, but a middle-aged guy with a beer gut and white chest hair on his moobs? Not a problem.
 
2014-04-17 12:52:34 PM
ftfa: ''temporary, unisex changing rooms''

why are we even reading this?

/and for those who are using this dim UK woman's essay to start fights re: all women?... Really? I mean Really?
(read in Seth Meyer's or Amy Poehler's voice)
 
2014-04-17 01:06:30 PM
We get it. ALL men are pervs. ALL men leer. ALL men ogle. NO man can just be a human being among a bunch of other human beings.

Biatch, no one is looking at you.

/oh, wait, that was your gripe?
 
2014-04-17 01:30:41 PM

nanim: ftfa: ''temporary, unisex changing rooms''

why are we even reading this?


Apparently you weren't reading it. FTFA:

The new changing facilities were roomier, brighter, even, for now at least, a tad cleaner. Unfortunately they were also still unisex. This appears to be a new policy on the part of municipal leisure facilities

Semi-related, but I remember being pissed in high school in marching band, because there was a girls-only bus for changing at competitions, but girls were allowed on the buses that guys were changing on. Hey, maybe I want some privacy too? Not every guy is comfortable with that.
 
2014-04-17 01:52:37 PM

Comsamvimes: nanim: ftfa: ''temporary, unisex changing rooms''

why are we even reading this?

Apparently you weren't reading it. FTFA:

The new changing facilities were roomier, brighter, even, for now at least, a tad cleaner. Unfortunately they were also still unisex. This appears to be a new policy on the part of municipal leisure facilities

Semi-related, but I remember being pissed in high school in marching band, because there was a girls-only bus for changing at competitions, but girls were allowed on the buses that guys were changing on. Hey, maybe I want some privacy too? Not every guy is comfortable with that.


"there was this time, in Band Camp..."
 
2014-04-17 02:24:43 PM

Comsamvimes: nanim: ftfa: ''temporary, unisex changing rooms''

why are we even reading this?

Apparently you weren't reading it. FTFA:

The new changing facilities were roomier, brighter, even, for now at least, a tad cleaner. Unfortunately they were also still unisex. This appears to be a new policy on the part of municipal leisure facilities

Semi-related, but I remember being pissed in high school in marching band, because there was a girls-only bus for changing at competitions, but girls were allowed on the buses that guys were changing on. Hey, maybe I want some privacy too? Not every guy is comfortable with that.


Where I work, we have 5 bathrooms... 4 unisex, 1 woman's... yet, we're like 80% male who work here...
 
2014-04-17 03:02:32 PM

Unobtanium: jbrad47128: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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this is so true. I go to a gym on a college campus, and it is amazing how most of the college age guys will go so far out of their way and to what lengths to keep what amounts to a Burka covering their "private parts" where as myself, and most of the older men, really don't care about it.

Is it that we are past the age of "gay stigma" while college-age men still worry about it? Or, having experienced a couple of "clothing optional" beaches, we understand that most naked bodies are not plesant to look at? For myself, I am reasonably confident that I am just as unattractive to men as to women.



It's because teens and young men can have inappropriate boners at times. For no reason whatsoever.

Old men are in their Viagra years so no longer fear the embarrassment.
 
2014-04-17 03:36:22 PM

bingethinker: Unobtanium: jbrad47128: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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this is so true. I go to a gym on a college campus, and it is amazing how most of the college age guys will go so far out of their way and to what lengths to keep what amounts to a Burka covering their "private parts" where as myself, and most of the older men, really don't care about it.

Is it that we are past the age of "gay stigma" while college-age men still worry about it? Or, having experienced a couple of "clothing optional" beaches, we understand that most naked bodies are not plesant to look at? For myself, I am reasonably confident that I am just as unattractive to men as to women.

That's probably it. A young, attractive guy might get hit on, but a middle-aged guy with a beer gut and white chest hair on his moobs? Not a problem.


Pincy: jbrad47128: Unobtanium: Only somewhat relevant:

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this is so true. I go to a gym on a college campus, and it is amazing how most of the college age guys will go so far out of their way and to what lengths to keep what amounts to a Burka covering their "private parts" where as myself, and most of the older men, really don't care about it.

The only thing I ask is that you don't sit bare-assed on the benches.  I mean, come on, other people have to sit on those things.


To stand up for true "clothing-optional" resorts where there are stated rules of expected behavior, nudists know better than to sit down on any public/shared seat without laying a towel down first. So those old guys are being both gross AND rude.  Feel free to call them on it. :)
 
2014-04-17 05:19:48 PM
Straw man.  I've never encountered any real-life feminists demanding unisex bathrooms, changing rooms, etc.
 
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