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(KCCI Des Moines)   Should Iowa's gun law let under age 14 kids fire handguns? Short answer: No. Long answer: Hell no, no way, no how... Just no   (kcci.com) divider line 248
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2014-04-17 01:42:40 AM
Why shouldn't an 8 year old be able to shoot a handgun?

Certainly if you teach a child about the proper use of a gun, and the dangers of improper use the child will know to stop, don't touch, leave the area and tell an adult if a gun is found while an adult is not present rather than playing with it.

Children should not own guns, but they should certainly be allowed to use them under their parent's supervision.
 
2014-04-17 01:51:51 AM
Well why not, exactly, subby? I mean we're talking WITH adult supervision here.
 
2014-04-17 02:00:55 AM

feckingmorons: Why shouldn't an 8 year old be able to shoot a handgun?


Friggin' kids today.  I was only shooting a .22 rifle when I was 8, and I was grateful!
 
2014-04-17 02:00:59 AM
I'm a bleeding-heart liberal from rural Arizona, and I don't see the problem here. Why shouldn't they?
 
2014-04-17 02:01:17 AM
I started out with a .22 at 10. With adult supervision, there wouldn't be an issue. You're by no means sending a 6 year old off with a 40 mm bofors gun.
 
2014-04-17 02:46:16 AM
This law is a surprise to most Iowans I would bet.  A lot of kids just stay on the farm and shoot without hassle.  I could see a "city limits" type of restriction, but not a state wide restriction.
 
2014-04-17 02:58:21 AM

feckingmorons: Why shouldn't an 8 year old be able to shoot a handgun?

Certainly if you teach a child about the proper use of a gun, and the dangers of improper use the child will know to stop, don't touch, leave the area and tell an adult if a gun is found while an adult is not present rather than playing with it.

Children should not own guns, but they should certainly be allowed to use them under their parent's supervision.


My 13 year old has 3 guns that are "hers". She owns them as much as she owns anything else. When she moves out, they will go with her.
i74.photobucket.com i74.photobucket.com She cleans them after we hit the range, but otherwise they stay in my safe at home. She knows all the safety rules.
 
2014-04-17 03:35:29 AM
I'm sure letting a kid fire a hunting rifle will end up with them shooting a school with automatic weapons and then themselves....just as certain that I am sure that letting a kid smoke a joint will end up with them dying of a heroin overdose.
 
2014-04-17 04:31:53 AM
Pfft. First they took away my Vac-U-Form, then my Jarts, now my Glock....
 
2014-04-17 04:45:17 AM
I fired handguns as part of a public school class.

Can't really see the problem.
 
2014-04-17 05:16:35 AM

BadReligion: feckingmorons: Why shouldn't an 8 year old be able to shoot a handgun?

Certainly if you teach a child about the proper use of a gun, and the dangers of improper use the child will know to stop, don't touch, leave the area and tell an adult if a gun is found while an adult is not present rather than playing with it.

Children should not own guns, but they should certainly be allowed to use them under their parent's supervision.

My 13 year old has 3 guns that are "hers". She owns them as much as she owns anything else. When she moves out, they will go with her.
[i74.photobucket.com image 800x600] [i74.photobucket.com image 800x600] She cleans them after we hit the range, but otherwise they stay in my safe at home. She knows all the safety rules.


Nugent's alt?
 
2014-04-17 06:00:47 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I'm a bleeding-heart liberal from rural Arizona, and I don't see the problem here. Why shouldn't they?


MA libbrul who thinks there need to be more gun restrictions. No problem with this.
 
2014-04-17 08:49:47 AM
Why would you prohibit a supervised child from shooting a handgun? What is the point?
 
2014-04-17 08:57:08 AM
My dad taught me to shoot when I was 10
 
2014-04-17 08:58:46 AM

violentsalvation: Well why not, exactly, subby? I mean we're talking WITH adult supervision here.


Allowing children to handle firearms at a young age creates a risk that they will not begin to irrationally believe that all firearms are inherently evil instruments of death that will inevitably cause untold destruction outside of the hands of a law enforcement agent or a member of the military.
 
2014-04-17 09:01:09 AM
Yes, kids can shoot guns under supervision.
I do not trust one to concealed carry, though, because the little farkers will shoot you right in ass.
 
2014-04-17 09:01:09 AM
Yes, kids can shoot guns under supervision.
I do not trust one to concealed carry, though, because the little farkers will shoot you right in the ass.
 
2014-04-17 09:01:11 AM
Under adult supervision? Why not?
 
2014-04-17 09:01:48 AM
My aunt likes to tell a story about how when she was a kid in the 50s, when she was a young (12-13), she would take her younger brother (around 10), from Brooklyn to Queens on the subway, with a rifle, to go to the shooting range on their own... and absolutely nobody gave a shiat.

Its sad to know what this country has become.
 
2014-04-17 09:02:03 AM
It's news to me that there exists a state that even has a law like this. I might try to look it up. It just sounds implausible.
 
2014-04-17 09:04:47 AM

enry: ecmoRandomNumbers: I'm a bleeding-heart liberal from rural Arizona, and I don't see the problem here. Why shouldn't they?

MA libbrul who thinks there need to be more gun restrictions. No problem with this.


Just what restrictions would you like to see and why do you think that would help?
 
2014-04-17 09:04:54 AM
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2014-04-17 09:04:59 AM
Subby, are you going to take sharp knives away from them until they are 18 as well?

And just when can they stop using safety scissors?
 
2014-04-17 09:07:48 AM
My dad taught me to shoot when I was 12. Got my first handgun 2 years later, a nice .45acp Ruger.

Proper introductions to things at an early age prevent stupid shiat later on in life.
 
2014-04-17 09:08:17 AM
So long as there is adult supervision, sure.  I fired my first gun at the age of 4, a dinky .22 rifle at my grandfather's camp/cabin outside of Alpena.
 
2014-04-17 09:08:29 AM
Seems like a lame troll-bait headline. Teaching a kid how to use a gun is not something the state should take away from a parent. In fact, the state should encourage it.
 
2014-04-17 09:08:53 AM
Dumb. My 13 yo can drive a combine (on the public roads in Iowa, no less) but cannot shoot a handgun?

Yes, idiot parents who let their 8 yo shoot a 454 Casull are idiots. However, punishing the responsible people to stop the idiots is ruining this country. Feel free to punish idiots, leave me alone.
 
2014-04-17 09:09:35 AM
As long as a parent or guardian who is well versed in proper firearms safety is closely supervising the child when handling the weapon, there is no issue.

I would feel safer knowing that children in families with guns, were taught responsibility and safe handling practices, rather than just being told they couldn't ever touch the gun. When something is off limits, its way more enticing to kids to try and get into it.

Teach'em young, and better chance they'll grow up with a healthy respect for the dangers and responsibilities involved.
 
2014-04-17 09:11:03 AM
Fark no.  Kids have no business with guns.  A lot of adults have no business with guns.
 
2014-04-17 09:12:14 AM
I have no problem with kids around 10 being able to fire a weapon under adult supervision. Kids on farms had been handling weapons for years and the Boy Scouts used to (I don't know if they still do) have a marksmanship badge.

I'd like to know know who edited this article though. I think maybe they stood behind the target at the gun range:
FTA:"makes it illegal for children young than 14 to fire handguns." "Should the law be changes?"
 
2014-04-17 09:12:55 AM
From TFA: "Because I was too young and felt sad because I don't get time to hang out with my daddy anymore," said Natalie Gibson.


So, Dad would rather change the law than just skip going to the shooting range to spend time with his daughters?  Nice life lesson, dad.
 
2014-04-17 09:14:07 AM

feckingmorons: Why shouldn't an 8 year old be able to shoot a handgun?

Certainly if you teach a child about the proper use of a gun, and the dangers of improper use the child will know to stop, don't touch, leave the area and tell an adult if a gun is found while an adult is not present rather than playing with it.

Children should not own guns, but they should certainly be allowed to use them under their parent's supervision.


Exactly. What so many gun control proponents forget is that by teaching children early to have respect for a firearm they will be much more inclined later in life towards practices that keep them and others safe around guns in the future.

I absolutely agree that children shouldn't be allowed to own handguns, but learning to handle and shoot one properly is nothing to be afraid of, and should actually be encouraged.
 
2014-04-17 09:16:59 AM
I am pleasantly surprised at the lack of derp in this thread. Allowing kids to learn proper respect for guns, under proper parental supervision, is simple common sense, but that so often seems to be in short supply once guns enter the picture.
 
2014-04-17 09:17:10 AM

dr_blasto: Why would you prohibit a supervised child from shooting a handgun? What is the point?


Because children lack the reasoning skills of adults.  There's a reason they don't let you drive until you are 16 and that is because until about that point children lack common sense.  I will make an exception for kids in rural areas where they may need to defend themselves from coyotes, mountain lions, bears, etc.
 
2014-04-17 09:18:01 AM
I'm more surprised that there is a law against it.  I was shooting handguns at age 6.  I took my brother to a range for the first time when he was 12 (I was 27).

Better to teach them about guns, and gun safety early, even if you don't have/like/or if you hate guns.  You might not have them, but your kid has friends whose parents do.
 
2014-04-17 09:18:39 AM

WhatIsLongPork: Dumb. My 13 yo can drive a combine (on the public roads in Iowa, no less) but cannot shoot a handgun?

Yes, idiot parents who let their 8 yo shoot a 454 Casull are idiots. However, punishing the responsible people to stop the idiots is ruining this country. Feel free to punish idiots, leave me alone.


Agreed.  And it's a good argument for having different rules for different areas.  Your 13 year old I'm sure is pretty safe driving the combine on Iowa roads.

I'm also pretty sure I don't want the average 13 year old driving a semi on Boston roads.

Heck, I'm not sure I'M old enough to drive in Boston :)

Same with guns...a careful kid, with proper adult supervision?  At a range, or in an empty field?  No problem.

The AVERAGE kid? unsupervised?  say, on crowded city streets?  probably asking for trouble.
 
2014-04-17 09:19:30 AM
The comments here are very interesting. I grew up in suburban Australia, first shot a pistol when I was 28, and the vast majority of people I know have never handled a weapon. Those that have grew up in the bush. Most people here would get a little panicky if the idea of letting children handle guns is voiced. Different culture I guess.
 
2014-04-17 09:19:31 AM

Literally Addicted: From TFA: "Because I was too young and felt sad because I don't get time to hang out with my daddy anymore," said Natalie Gibson.


So, Dad would rather change the law than just skip going to the shooting range to spend time with his daughters?  Nice life lesson, dad.


Yeah, I got the same vibe from the girl's statement.

Honestly, if you still call your father "Daddy," you're too young/immature to handle a handgun. I can foresee these girls having serious "daddy-issues" in a few years if the only way they can spend time with their dad is at the range. Sounds like dad's obsessed and working to pass that obsession on to his spawn.
 
2014-04-17 09:19:53 AM

Cold_Sassy: dr_blasto: Why would you prohibit a supervised child from shooting a handgun? What is the point?

Because children lack the reasoning skills of adults.  There's a reason they don't let you drive until you are 16 and that is because until about that point children lack common sense.  I will make an exception for kids in rural areas where they may need to defend themselves from coyotes, mountain lions, bears, etc.


I was unaware that you were legally authorized to create exceptions to Iowa law.
 
2014-04-17 09:19:59 AM

devine: enry: ecmoRandomNumbers: I'm a bleeding-heart liberal from rural Arizona, and I don't see the problem here. Why shouldn't they?

MA libbrul who thinks there need to be more gun restrictions. No problem with this.

Just what restrictions would you like to see and why do you think that would help?


Certainly mental health checks, higher penalties on people who dont properly secure their firearms, and I'd way prefer open carry over CCW. IOW, don't be a dick with your 2nd Amendment stick.
 
2014-04-17 09:20:21 AM

loki see loki do
2014-04-17 09:01:09 AM


Yes, kids can shoot guns under supervision.
I do not trust one to concealed carry, though, because the little farkers will shoot you right in ass.

loki see loki do
2014-04-17 09:01:09 AM


Yes, kids can shoot guns under supervision.
I do not trust one to concealed carry, though, because the little farkers will shoot you right in the ass.


How the hell did you do that? You made your own simulpost with two slightly different messages.
 
2014-04-17 09:20:28 AM
Stand your playground?
 
2014-04-17 09:21:29 AM
Nice troll, subby.
All of the points I wanted to make have already been stated upthread, and I see no reason to repeat them.
 
2014-04-17 09:22:10 AM
I started my two daughters shooting hand guns at 5 years old.  I have drilled them on gun safety through out their life, teaching them how to handle revolvers and semi-auto hand guns, how to clear the gun, find the safety on different models etc..  My oldest daughter started dating a guy in college that wanted to take her to the gun range, they came to the house after the session and he reported that she kicked all the guy's butts, I was so proud.
 
2014-04-17 09:23:44 AM

BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: What so many gun control proponents forget is that by teaching children early to have respect for a firearm they will be much more inclined later in life towards practices that keep them and others safe around guns in the future.


Agrees!

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Maybe you should stick with nerf or airsoft til you figure what kind of kid you got.
 
Skr
2014-04-17 09:24:16 AM
I don't see any reason not to teach a kid proper firearm safety at a very young age. A plinker like a .22 is excellent for showing the dangers and responsibility of gun use. This kind of training becomes especially needed if the family/member of the household is using firearms. Kids will try to emulate. It is best to be in control of it as much as possible under proper guidance.

Store the guns locked up and unloaded. And on the small chance that your kid does get a hold of a gun unsupervised, hopefully the worst they'll do set up a few bottles to shoot.

Learned young myself and even though I knew where I could get a gun for practicing, I ended up having much more fun with a wrist rocket and Taconite Pellets.
 
2014-04-17 09:24:33 AM
The question is if kids should be allowed to fire a firearm, and the answer is yes so long as it is with adult supervision.    Adults should be able to teach their kids skills so long as they keep safety in mind.

/Anti-guns think the question is if children should be allowed to rove the streets with guns in unsupervised packs.
/The answer is they already do, and they do it most often in urban areas where gun safety isn't taught.
 
2014-04-17 09:25:03 AM

Cold_Sassy: dr_blasto: Why would you prohibit a supervised child from shooting a handgun? What is the point?

Because children lack the reasoning skills of adults.  There's a reason they don't let you drive until you are 16 and that is because until about that point children lack common sense.  I will make an exception for kids in rural areas where they may need to defend themselves from coyotes, mountain lions, bears, etc.


Did the word "supervised" just fly right the fark by you? Look, going to the range isn't some crazy risky OK Corral-looking thing. Most kids start with the .22 or a pellet gun. It isn't like anyone is going to take a ten-year-old out and let him shoulder-fire a farking M60.
 
2014-04-17 09:25:09 AM
Around here, most kids are shooting rifles by 2nd grade and a decent number have already gone hunting. They start BB Guns around 4 and then .22s and 20 gauges. Usually by 10 you're shooting a .243 although a lot of people are moving their kids to 7mm-08s and a few people like a 30-30. Handguns are a little bit different though. People don't usually start kids on handguns until they're older, not for any particular reason other than there's not much need for it. We're a hunting culture and most people think of their guns as hunting implements. Handguns are just for fun. People own them, but there's not a real push for kids to fire them. Ammo's too expensive for most people to waste on a bit of fun. Learning a rifle and shotgun is considered a more useful skill I think.
 
2014-04-17 09:25:44 AM

littlett's: Subby, are you going to take sharp knives away from them until they are 18 as well?

And just when can they stop using safety scissors?


If you give them the pointy ones, they're just gonna run with them.
 
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